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Author Topic: Why is Win 8 bad?  (Read 34532 times)
N0YXB
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« Reply #165 on: July 02, 2014, 08:17:09 PM »

8 tracks, no.  Neil Young's Pono format looks promising though.  Windows 8 will be eclipsed by something that consumers actually want, in my opinion.

And CJS is right.  I have been doing some PC shopping and most outlets that I have browsed offer Windows 7 as an option to Windows 8.  Consumer demand will decide the outcome, not koolaid drinking "experts".  As a parallel, Betamax was a better format than VHS, but that did not matter in the end.
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« Reply #166 on: July 03, 2014, 03:45:17 AM »

8 tracks, no.  Neil Young's Pono format looks promising though.  Windows 8 will be eclipsed by something that consumers actually want, in my opinion.

And CJS is right.  I have been doing some PC shopping and most outlets that I have browsed offer Windows 7 as an option to Windows 8.  Consumer demand will decide the outcome, not koolaid drinking "experts".  As a parallel, Betamax was a better format than VHS, but that did not matter in the end.

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

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« Reply #167 on: July 03, 2014, 02:05:10 PM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.
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Rick KK4GGL
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« Reply #168 on: July 03, 2014, 03:47:21 PM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.

Not at all. Both support keyboard and mouse if you want and share data transparently. Why do you want two totally different OSes for laptop and tablet???  MS tried with win CE in past and crashed and burned. I can tell you have not used both together. Great marriage.
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« Reply #169 on: July 03, 2014, 04:38:39 PM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.

Not at all. Both support keyboard and mouse if you want and share data transparently. Why do you want two totally different OSes for laptop and tablet???  MS tried with win CE in past and crashed and burned. I can tell you have not used both together. Great marriage.

They are two different platforms that require two different interfaces.  As I said, I have, and use a tablet. It has a dockable keyboard. A touch interface does not lend itself to keyboard/mouse input. It lends itself to touch input. They are different. If you knew as much as you try to make everyone believe, you'd understand this. You might want to look into Human Interface Guidelines.
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« Reply #170 on: July 03, 2014, 06:42:45 PM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.

Not at all. Both support keyboard and mouse if you want and share data transparently. Why do you want two totally different OSes for laptop and tablet???  MS tried with win CE in past and crashed and burned. I can tell you have not used both together. Great marriage.

They are two different platforms that require two different interfaces.  As I said, I have, and use a tablet. It has a dockable keyboard. A touch interface does not lend itself to keyboard/mouse input. It lends itself to touch input. They are different. If you knew as much as you try to make everyone believe, you'd understand this. You might want to look into Human Interface Guidelines.

Far more than you think... Again one OS support an the type of interface you prefer to use. If I use a wireless keyboard and mouse with tablet it is a laptop minus a DVD drive. Again one OS adapts to both needs but you seem to have trouble with concept and feel the you need two different OSes when one can live in both worlds. BTW I also use a touch pen with tablet.
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« Reply #171 on: July 03, 2014, 09:20:30 PM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.

Not at all. Both support keyboard and mouse if you want and share data transparently. Why do you want two totally different OSes for laptop and tablet???  MS tried with win CE in past and crashed and burned. I can tell you have not used both together. Great marriage.

They are two different platforms that require two different interfaces.  As I said, I have, and use a tablet. It has a dockable keyboard. A touch interface does not lend itself to keyboard/mouse input. It lends itself to touch input. They are different. If you knew as much as you try to make everyone believe, you'd understand this. You might want to look into Human Interface Guidelines.

Far more than you think... Again one OS support an the type of interface you prefer to use. If I use a wireless keyboard and mouse with tablet it is a laptop minus a DVD drive. Again one OS adapts to both needs but you seem to have trouble with concept and feel the you need two different OSes when one can live in both worlds. BTW I also use a touch pen with tablet.

You need to learn to read. I have not said 2 operating systems. And, BTW, just because you can use a keyboard on a tablet does not mean the tablet it is then using a keyboad/mouse interface since you would be using a mouse, pad or touch to select the same icons, with the display looking essentially the same. Buy a clue.
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« Reply #172 on: July 04, 2014, 06:30:07 AM »

No koolaid here. I remember die hard DOS fans in early Windoze days. I myself at first rejected the Win 8 concept when it first rolled out but like it now. You can use it on a tablet or laptop and it works same.

Really? It works the same on a keyboard/mouse based platform as a touch based platform?
... and you don't see the problem?
Sheesh.

Not at all. Both support keyboard and mouse if you want and share data transparently. Why do you want two totally different OSes for laptop and tablet???  MS tried with win CE in past and crashed and burned. I can tell you have not used both together. Great marriage.

They are two different platforms that require two different interfaces.  As I said, I have, and use a tablet. It has a dockable keyboard. A touch interface does not lend itself to keyboard/mouse input. It lends itself to touch input. They are different. If you knew as much as you try to make everyone believe, you'd understand this. You might want to look into Human Interface Guidelines.

Far more than you think... Again one OS support an the type of interface you prefer to use. If I use a wireless keyboard and mouse with tablet it is a laptop minus a DVD drive. Again one OS adapts to both needs but you seem to have trouble with concept and feel the you need two different OSes when one can live in both worlds. BTW I also use a touch pen with tablet.

You need to learn to read. I have not said 2 operating systems. And, BTW, just because you can use a keyboard on a tablet does not mean the tablet it is then using a keyboad/mouse interface since you would be using a mouse, pad or touch to select the same icons, with the display looking essentially the same. Buy a clue.

This is why MS developed Metro interface for 8 so it can adapt to both worlds. Win 8x is not perfect but it is a big first step in changing the way we interact with a computer be it tablet or laptop form.

You sound like a Apple user in badly need of clues.
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« Reply #173 on: July 04, 2014, 06:43:49 AM »

And that is why Win 8 blew it so badly--it presented only ONE interface for all platforms.  According to all reports, Microsoft recognized that and they intend to rectify that situation with Windows 9, (?) an OS with three separate interfaces--that work together on one OS.

No matter what you say, 'GGL, 'JX is going to twist it into his version of the kool-aid.
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« Reply #174 on: July 04, 2014, 10:16:10 AM »

This is why MS developed Metro interface for 8 so it can adapt to both worlds. Win 8x is not perfect but it is a big first step in changing the way we interact with a computer be it tablet or laptop form.

Let us know when it actually works


You sound like a Apple user in badly need of clues.

I left OS X for Linux distributions many years ago, and I have used Windows through Vista as well as the DOS machines. I've also used Apple //s, TRS 80s of various kinds, and even a TI99a.

I don't have any Macs at the moment, but I do have my Apple IIgs.

I am not sure if you need to buy some clues, or some honesty. Ah, well.

You sound like the garden variety Microsoft shill, and I keep letting myself getting sucked in to your shillery. Too bad on me.

Have fun.
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« Reply #175 on: July 04, 2014, 03:14:16 PM »

This is why MS developed Metro interface for 8 so it can adapt to both worlds. Win 8x is not perfect but it is a big first step in changing the way we interact with a computer be it tablet or laptop form.

Let us know when it actually works


You sound like a Apple user in badly need of clues.

I left OS X for Linux distributions many years ago, and I have used Windows through Vista as well as the DOS machines. I've also used Apple //s, TRS 80s of various kinds, and even a TI99a.

I don't have any Macs at the moment, but I do have my Apple IIgs.

I am not sure if you need to buy some clues, or some honesty. Ah, well.

You sound like the garden variety Microsoft shill, and I keep letting myself getting sucked in to your shillery. Too bad on me.

Have fun.

Metro works pretty good here on tablet. I have little doubt it will improve with time. I use tablets a lot, more than laptops. To me Win 7 and older is a dead end because there is no path forward as it will not run next generation Windows software.

I still have a TI 99 some where. I had a Atari 1040 ST too. Never had a comadore. On linux, I doubt it will ever reach critical mass as it lacks a universal GUI and has too many flavors. Learn one Windoze version on a PC and it is same on every PC with same version. Not so with linux . played with a lot of apples over years and even had a Newton once but tired of them as they are too limited.

I notice when you really do not have a solid point you try to discredit me to change focus. Kinda like politics were you offer BS and no solutions.

BTW this message is being posted via 4G on a Droid tablet. Again no desktop iron.
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« Reply #176 on: July 06, 2014, 04:41:34 PM »

And that is why Win 8 blew it so badly--it presented only ONE interface for all platforms.  According to all reports, Microsoft recognized that and they intend to rectify that situation with Windows 9, (?) an OS with three separate interfaces--that work together on one OS.

No matter what you say, 'GGL, 'JX is going to twist it into his version of the kool-aid.

Seriously? Win 8 only ONE interface. You obviously have not used Win 8 or 8.1. There are two interfaces. Metro and the standard Win desktop interface.
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« Reply #177 on: July 06, 2014, 05:27:51 PM »

Seriously? Win 8 only ONE interface. You obviously have not used Win 8 or 8.1. There are two interfaces. Metro and the standard Win desktop interface.


Yes indeed. Those (like CJS) that have never properly used Win 8x fully on both platforms are the first ones to bash it. They always seem to attack things they do not understand.
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« Reply #178 on: July 06, 2014, 06:08:02 PM »

Seriously? Win 8 only ONE interface. You obviously have not used Win 8 or 8.1. There are two interfaces. Metro and the standard Win desktop interface.

When it's set up, the only interface is the metro interface.  You have to tweak it and play with it to get rid of metro.

There again, whether metro or not, you still have a difficult time getting win 8 to do what you want it to.  Almost all the adjustments are predetermined and you have a devil of a time changing them--and getting them to stay the way you want them to--unlike previous windows versions.

Added--No matter what is said by the Microsoft shill here, desktop and laptop computers aren't going to go away.  They'll be around for many, many years--and Microsoft is finally recognizing that by the response to Win 8.  Win 9, by reports, is going to be more like Win 7 than Win 8, and will have the ability to personalize fully restored, unlike Win 8, where it was truncated.
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« Reply #179 on: July 06, 2014, 06:30:54 PM »

Seriously? Win 8 only ONE interface. You obviously have not used Win 8 or 8.1. There are two interfaces. Metro and the standard Win desktop interface.

When it's set up, the only interface is the metro interface.  You have to tweak it and play with it to get rid of metro.

There again, whether metro or not, you still have a difficult time getting win 8 to do what you want it to.  Almost all the adjustments are predetermined and you have a devil of a time changing them--and getting them to stay the way you want them to--unlike previous windows versions.

Added--No matter what is said by the Microsoft shill here, desktop and laptop computers aren't going to go away.  They'll be around for many, many years--and Microsoft is finally recognizing that by the response to Win 8.  Win 9, by reports, is going to be more like Win 7 than Win 8, and will have the ability to personalize fully restored, unlike Win 8, where it was truncated.

Again, You clearly have not used Win 8 or 8.1 as your statement "the only interface is the metro interface" is just wrong.

I am not a Win fan like W8JX. I am forced to use it at work. I use a Mac with OSX for my personal machine. I am not defending Windows 8 or 8.1, just tired of reading totally false statements about it . .  I am running Win 8.1 on my work laptop and have been running 8 or 8.1 for over 6 months now. My laptop looks like a normal Windows desktop, task bar at the bottom etc. No Metro interface. It runs normal MS Office and other regular Windows apps. I am also able to custom things like I could with Win 7. My settings stay put and nothing goes back to a pre-set.

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