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Author Topic: 10M pirates  (Read 3906 times)
W8AAZ
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« on: June 15, 2014, 01:14:42 PM »

Tuned across ten today.  28.415 heard activity. Rest of band seemed basically dead. Couple of guys using odd lingo and mentioning funny radios.  Called them to see if they were locals.  Both using 2X3, 7 district calls. Both claimed to be in Fla.  Neither call is a hit in the database.  Hmmf.
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N1NQC
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2014, 03:05:58 AM »

 During good conditions try the very bottom of Ten (28.0 and UP) ,especially in AM.Many  heterodynes changing and mixing about, along with audible voices. Supposedly bootleg taxis, etc

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KA5PIU
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 08:30:35 AM »

Hello.

In Mexico, that part of the band between 11 meters and 10 meters has commercial users.
Even in the USA, this is true.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=service_home&id=industrial_business
Note that the low band goes from 25 to 50 MHz.
AM and FM are authorized.
The CB channels past 23 are lifetime coordinated with itinerant business.
Itinerant business my not use over 250 watts mobile unless an exception is granted and at no time may exceed 1000 watts.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=2a3687c58235233f64775bf7c744711d&node=47:5.0.1.1.3.3.112.3&rgn=div8
I am grandfathered in and my use Any itinerant frequency.
My licence was modified to comply with "License by rule" and there are hundreds of frequencies for me to choose from.
So, you see, if this 28.415 MHz were outside the US, I would simply ignore it.
If in the US, try and find who that frequency is assigned to and inform them of the issue.
The government users, as a rule, operate with a 25 kHz specing.
Part 90 users are usually a 30 kHz spacing on low band.
Thank you.
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KB4QAA
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 01:57:34 PM »

That reply doesn't make sense.

The linked frequency allocation chart shows NO authorized commercial frequencies in the 10m band between 28.000Mhz and 29.710Mhz.

There should be no Itinerant or other commercial  U.S. operation in the 10m band
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KA5PIU
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 03:28:57 PM »

Hello.

As I said, if it IS in the USA, figure out who is authorized on what have you frequency, and inform them.
I posted what I was told is correct.
28.415 MHz is within the 10 meter Amateur allocation and I forwarded this to the FCC office in Miami.
http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/rfo/
A part of the confusion lies in the fact that I am only forwarding this.
The lady I talked to was nice and receptive but did not fully understand my issue.
She said that based on the types of licence I hold, I can pretty much do what I want.
The reply I was given makes little sense, but that was what I was told.
You have the links, perhaps you can do better?
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W9FIB
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 04:52:59 PM »

The lady I talked to was nice and receptive but did not fully understand my issue.

I truly believe she did not understand you. I don't think too many people are linguistically fluent in gibberish. And you certainly do have issues.
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KA5PIU
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2014, 08:31:42 PM »

The lady I talked to was nice and receptive but did not fully understand my issue.

I truly believe she did not understand you. I don't think too many people are linguistically fluent in gibberish. And you certainly do have issues.

Hello.

You are most welcome to try and explain the issues.
I asked about several issues.
What were the rules on a dual use commercial/amateur radio.
Shared use of CB and commercial.
Building kit CB radios or home built, they are indeed legal.
And finally, this issue of a possible infraction on 28.415 MHz.
And, in short, there are not enough details to address this one item.
My question was not one question but several.
Someone can build a CB radio, that was my big question.
The fact of the matter is that the radios you buy are mass produced in China, and the chance they are even actually inspected in the US is unlikely.
So, a kit radio is not going to be much of a problem.
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N0YXB
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2014, 08:39:45 PM »

The lady I talked to was nice and receptive but did not fully understand my issue.

I truly believe she did not understand you. I don't think too many people are linguistically fluent in gibberish.

Pure gold, succinct and most accurate.  Thanks for the chuckle!
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N1NQC
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 12:14:57 AM »

Yikes !
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W1JKA
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 02:18:21 AM »

  This 10m communication confusion is partially a result of NAFTA. Some of the free trade cross border commercial truck drivers are Mexican licensed hams as well, both still make use of standard or modified CB radios and amps to suit their needs. Ross was right.
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KA5PIU
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2014, 07:25:24 AM »

  This 10m communication confusion is partially a result of NAFTA. Some of the free trade cross border commercial truck drivers are Mexican licensed hams as well, both still make use of standard or modified CB radios and amps to suit their needs. Ross was right.

Hello.

Yes, that was brought up, but Miami?
2x3 calls 7 district calls?
Mexican Amateur Radio calls are XEx---
I have but one US call.
In Mexico I have 2
One is the very much standard XE2---.
My other government call is 4A----.
The reason for not posting my calls is that I operate from Los Mochis, Sinaloa.
I do NOT want a connection to be made, and some idiot ham say something.
That would be an open invitation to the drug cartel.
Thank you.

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W9FIB
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2014, 09:50:29 AM »

The reason for not posting my calls is that I operate from Los Mochis, Sinaloa.
I do NOT want a connection to be made, and some idiot ham say something.
That would be an open invitation to the drug cartel.

That explains a lot...drugs!
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W8AAZ
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2014, 07:14:04 PM »

The stations I spoke to were absolutely not Mexicans.  I recall hearing some truck driver using 415 or somewhere very close in the SSB portion with no callsign at all.  Not much chance of tracking them down while moving, or not fairly local, anyway.  I found tracking 2 meter pirates much easier, but those are scarce nowadays.
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KA5PIU
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2014, 07:45:54 PM »

Hello.

Than I would think indeed truck drivers, or taxi drivers.
When they narrow banded last year several taxi companies went to cellphones.
Drivers who like dispatch went to 10/11 meters.
I have noticed an increase of this type of activity.
But, if you even suspect drugs are involved, do NOT get involved!
I watch the drug cartels, and what they do will scare the crap out of you.
Cops get killed on both sides of the border.
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KJ6ZOL
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2014, 11:23:29 PM »

  This 10m communication confusion is partially a result of NAFTA. Some of the free trade cross border commercial truck drivers are Mexican licensed hams as well, both still make use of standard or modified CB radios and amps to suit their needs. Ross was right.

Hello.

Yes, that was brought up, but Miami?
2x3 calls 7 district calls?
Mexican Amateur Radio calls are XEx---
I have but one US call.
In Mexico I have 2
One is the very much standard XE2---.
My other government call is 4A----.
The reason for not posting my calls is that I operate from Los Mochis, Sinaloa.
I do NOT want a connection to be made, and some idiot ham say something.
That would be an open invitation to the drug cartel.
Thank you.



So English is not your native language. OK, will keep that in mind.

Since we're on the subject, do you have any info on what the area identifiers and prefixes for Mexican hams are? I'm always interested in that sort of thing. I know there's a couple Spanish language nets that I can hear in Sacramento in the early evenings, around 6 or 7 pm Pacific, which would be around 0100-0200 UTC. I have problems with understanding foreign accents/languages, even though I read and write Spanish fairly well verbally I don't do well with it. The nets are on 7225 and 14277 khz. Are these nets hams from Mexico and Central America, American Latinos, both?
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