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Why Do So Many HOA's Object to Antenna's?
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by KC8GPD on August 21, 2009
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why is it that most HOA's object to antenna's of any kind even if they are hidden?
it seems HOA's go after antenna's vigorously and anything they can be hidden in or otherwise circumvent their antenna bans.
Why is it the ham community does not stop fighting each other and band together to fight HOA's on this topic?
I Recommend anyone contemplating living under an HOA or presently living with an HOA rent the following titles from Blockbuster, netflicks, library, etc...
I also recommend any ham whether living under an HOA or not also watch these movies...
The Colony
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112703/
1984
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/
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RE: Why Do So Many HOA's Object to Antenna's?
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by WB5JEO on August 21, 2009
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Part of it is that attorneys write these things, and they know that it's nearly impossible to define terms like visible, objectionable, prominent, large, etc., and that it's safer to flatly ban things. They can't flatly ban all antennas. Some have to be allowed by law that supercedes the covenants. But that just affects whether or not they can or can't enforce on antennas for some services.
As to why they object at all, it's simply because the place was set up for folks who want everything around them just so and within tight limits so everyone would be as alike as possible. You might as well ask why they don't like bright colors or bar any plastic patio covers. I personally would never buy in such a place, and not just because of antennas. But I figure everyone who bought there liked at least some of the restrictions and didn't want to hear gripes from others who wanted to do things they thought should be banned. One man's pink garage door is another man's antenna. One man's travel trailer in the driveway is another man's tower.
Other than working for new law, you can't really fight them effectively, since it's something the owner contracted to abide by when they bought in. In some cases, though, you can work with them to get something of what you want.
Why should an HOA member watch those films? Good films, but when the issue is antennas and covenants, the time is better spent carefully reading the contract and exploring the possibility of getting permission or a waiver without immediately jumping to a hostile position first and imagining that doing without antennas is anything like the involuntary controls in 1984.
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by N2EY on August 22, 2009
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"why is it that most HOA's object to antenna's of any kind even if they are hidden?"
Because if they don't exist, they cannot be a problem.
"Why is it the ham community does not stop fighting each other and band together to fight HOA's on this topic?"
What would you suggest we hams do, other than to not live in restricted properties?
There's a development near me that has strict rules against antennas in its HOA rules. So I didn't buy a house there. What else could I do?
"rent the following titles"
In the case of 1984, read the book, too.
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btw, in this context, it's "HOAs" and "antennas". No apostrophes because they're neither possessives nor contractions.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by KE4BIW on August 22, 2009
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I agree with N2EY. Buy elsewhere. I personally decided to live in a HOA community because I wanted a nice uniform appearance and some protection from people who don't take care of their property. An attic doublet and a couple of dipoles allow me to pursue my hobby without any issues because we only preclued "outside" antennas.
We have a no RV rule too. We have three people who chose to ignore the rule so the HOA has now hired an attorney to file suit. Our CCRs require the offending homeowner to pay our legal expenses so this will end up costing each homeowner about $10,000 if they choose to fight it. Once they lose (and they will)we'll file a lien on their homes and then move to foreclose.
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by KC8GPD on August 22, 2009
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Well what happens when there are so many HOA's that you have no choice but to live in one?
it's going to happen and at the rate of expansion it will happen in our life time.
around here HOA developements are popping up ar an alarming rate. I watch this area go from Farmland and non HOA neighborhoods to hoa run developments injust a short 10-20 years.
at the rate around here when i am ready to buy a home there will be no HOA free neighborhoods unless one i pay through the nose or two move out of state.
but when a State expects every new subdivision have an HOA doesn't that mean that the HOA is a Defacto Municipality?
an argument can be made for you sign the contract in states that don't require new subdivisions have an HOA, but let's get real. a ham antenna on a mast behind the building with a proper ground plane or a shoert 40ft tower is not going to look as bad as a camper or trailer in a driveway or a boat.
and whats the reasoning behind the flagpole ban? or not being allowed to have a car parked in your driveway? how about the HOA that asked a veteran to remove hive navy stickers?
you can't deny these HOA's ARE GETTING OUT OF HAND and that they need to be reigned in a little.
i'm going to tell you my theory on the flag pole. they figured out we could hide antenna's in them so they got banned. plain and simple.
how long is it till they put in the contract that they will need to enter your home to do so called inspections so look for violations such as a hidden attic antenna???
I think the problem here is everyone is looking at the short term here and now and not seeing the big picture as the rules continually tighten up.
they will just keep on going to someone tells them to stop.
I also recommend the episode of X-Files where they built the subdivision on top of a garbage dump. the title of the episode has escaped me, but it seems that these HOA's are all reading from the same playbook.
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by WB2WIK on August 22, 2009
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by KC8GPD on August 22, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Well what happens when there are so many HOA's that you have no choice but to live in one?
it's going to happen and at the rate of expansion it will happen in our life time.
around here HOA developements are popping up ar an alarming rate. I watch this area go from Farmland and non HOA neighborhoods to hoa run developments injust a short 10-20 years.
at the rate around here when i am ready to buy a home there will be no HOA free neighborhoods unless one i pay through the nose or two move out of state.<
::Yes, living in a neighborhood without any covenants or HOAs can be a more expensive buy-in, and that's because these properties are worth more to buyers. If you buy an older home that was build before any CC&Rs existed, you have no problems: And these homes aren't "going away," most of them are meticulously maintained and last hundreds of years.
I owned one home built in 1781, it was built better in most ways than modern homes built in 2009 are. And no, it didn't have any restrictions or any HOA.
Only those who insist on a "new construction" home have the issue you discuss. If you're more flexible than that, the problem goes away.
Here in Los Angeles, where real estate prices are just about the highest in the nation, *most* homes do not have any restrictive covenants or HOAs. The newly constructed tract homes do. Home built prior to 1984 mostly don't, and "custom" homes that are not in tracts don't, either.
WB2WIK/6
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by KB1NXE on August 22, 2009
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by KE4BIW on August 22, 2009 "Once they lose (and they will)we'll file a lien on their homes and then move to foreclose."
What, not even give them a chance to pay? Well, proves to me HOAs are out of control. I wish you well in the future.
Why I live in the "Live Free or Die" state.
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by JOHNE on August 22, 2009
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Wow, you must be a fun group of people to be around. Can't say I've ever met anyone who seemed to take glee in the idea of foreclosing on someone else's property before over such a lame reason.
Kinda wonder what life has in store for you in the coming years.
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by N5LRZ on August 23, 2009
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Because after the buyer signs that legal contract the developer and or HOA does not have to give a rats F what they buyer wantes (other than federal mandated exemptions for those small satelite TV Dishes).
And THAT is the damn complete truth.
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by N5LRZ on August 23, 2009
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RE John...
I never heard of a foreclosure but I guess it has happend somewhere. And I have never heard of such but I guess it has happend somewhere that the court upon statement of the antenna owner ademengly ignoreing a court order could I gues order a public auction and or evecition.
I have never heard of the above but I would not be surprised if it had not happened somewhere at sometime.
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