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by EIRIKR1 on November 5, 2009
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if you were building a house in a restricted community what dimensions would u specify for the ridge vent if intending to use it as a stealth antenna? what range of frequencies/bands would you expect to get out of it?
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by LEEH on November 5, 2009
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If it was me, I would keep the installation for whatever they would normally install. If you vary that dimension, it could be noticed. Just use a good tuner to adjust.
You need to do this in such a way that the workers installing it are not really aware of anything unusual going on. That way no info can go to the HOA
Perhaps you can split it in the middle to use it as a dipole but I would make certain, the peak shingles still cover that portion so it is not noticeable.
LeeH
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by N5LRZ on November 5, 2009
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SOOO what you are saying is that you deliberately and willfully plan to be a bald faced two timeing liar and engage in wonton Contractual Fraud.
HOW TELLING.
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by KF7CG on November 5, 2009
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LRZ you miss the point of the whole exercise! The prohibition is not against Amateur Radio, it is against external antennas. This is not an external antenna, it is the masterful use of a portion ot the homes structure to provide the antenna function. Well within the letter of the rules.
Until and unless the HOA and/or deed restrictions expressly forbid Amateur Radio, anything that allows one to provide the antenna function without being in and of itself an external antenna is fair game.
If a flagpole antenna is allowed as a flagpole and is consistantly and correctly used as a flagpole, it is a flagpole. That it may also receive and radiate radio signals is secondary.
The law is the law and a contract is a contract, however, until you commit a concrete violation of the specific terms of the contract it has been honored.
Therefore, split the vent in the middle and drive it with ladder line and a tuner from within the attic.
Or even go with an all fiberglass ridge vent and attach the antenna wire the inside of the vent. This is absolutely not a violation of the rules.
Remember, the prohibition is not Amateur Radio, it is external antennas. If any other representation is made by the writers of the contract, they are quilty of fraud and of negotiating in poor faith!
KF7CG
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by EIRIKR1 on November 5, 2009
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:> SOOO what you are saying is that you deliberately and willfully plan to be a bald faced two timeing liar and engage in wonton Contractual Fraud.
Actually I said what I meant. I started with the word "IF" because I was just wondering if someone or myself someday were building a house would they make it a foot longer or whatever if they planned on using metal that was there anyway. (and was also interested in what freq one could expect on a ridge vent antenna.)
For your info, smartass, I happen to be president of the POA and can give the OK to external antennas for myself or more likely emcommers that don't go wild with it. I myself am not licensed and do not do the "ham thing" but again, would allow flagpole antenna or some such for emerg purposes...
btw, "timeing" <sic> is spelled without an "e" which u can claim as a typo, but spelling "wonton" <sic> without an a shows your complete ignorance of words, and meanings. If you don't understand big words, (like automotive and watermelon) don't use them...it only makes you look even dumber than you are..
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by WB6BYU on November 5, 2009
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No, no.
"Wonton Contractual Fraud" is when you order soup in the
Chinese restaurant and they put the wrong kind of meat in
it.
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by N5LRZ on November 5, 2009
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RE CG ...
Too bad you dont know that the GD hell you are taling about
Riddle me this Batboy....
DID the original poster have a gun pointed at his head when he signed the contract?
DID the original poster have the legal option taken away of having his OWN lawyer negotiate the terms of the contract to meet HIS NEEDS.
DID he NOT sign the contract of his own free will as an adult.
DID NOT as implied in the original statement that EXTERNAL ANTENNAS WERE BANNED other than those foced by the FCC, Fn PERIOD.
THEN YOU DID NOT GET MY POINT and the original poster is a dam moron who deserves the Fn over he gets.
NO GD FN EXTERNAL ANTENNA PERIOD without proper authorization from proper contractual Approal Organization as stated IN THE DAMN CONTRACT means JUST EXACTLY THAT, PERIOD. The appropriate board or whatever says OK then its OK. The appropriate board says NO then its Fn NO NO NO, NOT may be NOT perhaps. Fn NO.
FAILURE to OBEY and FOLLOW contractual terms to the letter of the contract in a willful and deliberate fashion makes him a delibarate contractual FRAUD.
Amateur Radio is NOT NOT NOT a constitutional right.
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by WB6BYU on November 5, 2009
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Actually the last ridge vent we put in was plastic, so
that wouldn't help a lot.
I'd use the normal length of ridge vent. The only thing
I'd do differently is to try to increase the insulation
along it - actually the plastic roof vent material would
probably work pretty well for that. Splitting it in the
middle to form a dipole would be handy, but there are
other feed systems that could be used if necessary.
With balanced feed it could be used over a range of
frequencies, depending on the length. The ends could be
extended with wires (or metal trim strips) if it was too
short for good performance on desired bands.
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by KF7CG on November 5, 2009
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LRZ
It is indeed shocking to observe the level to which some people will sink when confronted by superior logiic. Mock swearing and other expletives only accentuate the stunning lack of vocabulary and the lack of ability to engage in reasoned discourse.
External means external! Antenna means antenna! Ridge vent means ridge vent. If the vent is an integral part of the houses structure as it becomes when the roof is installed it is not external. If a flagpole is used as a flagpole it is a flagpole. The prohibition is against puttinh up antennas not pressing other items into service as antennas. If that were the desire Amateur Radio would be banned directly.
Now try this on for size, get a New England fisherman's style house approved. They have a tower room two to three stories taller than the house attached. The are quite striking and beautiful when built. The upper floor is very often a roofed but otherwist open observation platform. Perfect place for a small to medium size beam! The beam is in the house and therefore not an external antenna!
The ability to operate up to and on the very edge of the letter of a contract is a timeless American concept.
So if it can be done within the letter of the contract it is a activity to be commended.
"Take it to the limit, one more time."
KF7CG
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by N5LRZ on November 5, 2009
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RE CG...
ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING on the OUTSIDE IS EXTERNAL weither attached to the house or NOT. And no amout of your double talk bald faced LIES is going to change that fact.
NO WHERE did the original post ever say the original poster got PROPER PERMISSION FROM THE PROPER PEOPLE under the TERMS OF THE CONTRACT that HE CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO when he WILLINGLY signed his LEGALLY BINDING contract. He is an admitted contractual fraud. AND I HOPE the HOA BBQs his ass when he gets caught.
SOMETIMES you do NOT get to do what you want to do in this life. Sometimes life tells you what you will do weither you damn well like it or not.
AND Amateur Radio is STILL NOT a constitutional right guaranteed under the US CONSTITUTION.
BUT he has an out, an option, an alternative if he has the balls. SELL HIS HOUSE and get his GD ass out of there ASAP moving to where he can put up any kind of antenna or antenna structure he wants. IF IF IF he can afford a lot and house in a snob elite neighborhood he can damn well afford a nice 10 or so acre lot somewhre in the country where there are NO deed restrictions.
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