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RE: A New Twist Around HOA Restrictions:
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by PD2JHP on October 10, 2009
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Hello,
This sounds like blackmail, not a gentle way to handle....
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by KB2DHG on October 10, 2009
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Thanks for the thought but it does not sound like a good idea.
I got permission by giving a presentation and assurance that there will be NO perminant damage to the condo, there will be NO interference, and the antenna will be as stealth as possable. NO I did not get a tower and beam up but with compromize, I was able to put up a full size G5RV and a 2 meter vertical.
I met all the criteier, and have been working on the air with good results.
It was a lot of work and convincing but if you are good about it and courtious you can get results...
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by HFRF on October 10, 2009
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This is ridiculous. If you don't want to adhere to what you signed in your HOA, then stop signing these agreements. Man, is this getting old. I don't give a crap that all you people with HOA's can't put up antennas. Is it so hard to buy a house where there are no restrictions? You are making a conscience choice to get yourself in a mess. And if your wife wants a house with a HOA, you chose her too. Stop doing this stuff. Your life will be so much easier.
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Just giving them a choice - that's all.
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by AI2IA on October 10, 2009
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Look at it this way, AA3NJ's suggestion offers more opportunities than you may realize. A creative mind can work it to advantage for ham antennas.
For instance, if you see that your HOA can't do anything about solar power panels on the roof or elsewhere, you can offer them an alternative such as this:
" I am considering two ideas for my home, but my budget is only big enough for one. I would either like to put up X number of solar panels (give them the maximum allowable number), or instead I would like to put up a single amateur radio antenna that would look like this (show them the most flattering photo of what you would like). Ask them which project they would prefer."
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by K2FOX on October 10, 2009
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I also have to agree with HFRF...when we purchased our home I researched the "tower" question long before signing on the dotted line.
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by K9CTB on October 10, 2009
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I sorta have to agree with the majority here. Trending is going away from the socialist little communes with their fees and their "everybody in everybody else's business" stuff. Once you've signed, you're screwed, so let the real estate salesman know up front you don't want any part of it. Leave the communes for the geriatric set. There are plenty of real houses without the socialism available - especially today! You'll just have to mow your own lawn!
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by K0BG on October 10, 2009
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Everybody is on the "green" bandwagon, and in most cases, going off half cocked! Although the site referred to does have some information worth knowing, the biggest bugaboo isn't covered in depth; tax liabilities.
In far too many localities, adding solar anything to your property, will increase the tax base. In most cases, this means that amortization of the cost can never be realized. In other words, it isn't worth the initial effort.
Using some sort of solar project to hide an amateur antenna is an act of pure desperation, and borders on... Well you get the picture.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by KR4WM on October 10, 2009
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I sent an idea for a "concept" antenna to a major antenna manufacturer, but haven't heard back from them. That was around two months ago. I guess they don't plan on implementing my idea- so here it is, I'm throwing it out to the amateur community-at-large. Do with it what you will, or don't do anything with it. I'm not in an HOA, so it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Don't whine that it won't work, it will.
1. Closely examine just about any outdoor VHF TV antenna. Not UHF, but strictly VHF. You will note that it has elements on the boom for (as low as) channel 2. They're not all that short.
2. Federal OTARD laws allows you to, against the wishes of your HOA, to install a TV antenna up to 12 feet above the peak of your roof.
3. You MUST prove that you are picking up a TV channel NOT PROVIDED on their supplied cable system. As many sub-channels as there are on today's digital TV stations, in many cases, this is not hard to do.
4. Your HOA has 30 days to provide you with that channel AFTER you put up your TV antenna. If they fail to provide it within 30 days on the cable system, you're home free and never have to take down your antenna! If they DO provide it within 30 days, just pick ANOTHER channel they're not providing. If, eventually, you can't find a channel they're not providing, your HOA is required to pay to have your TV antenna system removed, NOT YOU!!!
5. Requiring you to get permission to install the TV antenna system is ILLEGAL! They cannot require you to ask permission, OR require you to get any type of a permit prior to installing it. To do so, according to the FCC, causes "unreasonable delay".
6. I doubt any HOA warmonger is going to be able to tell any difference between RG-6 and RG-8-mini. If they hire a consultant, you might wind up having to use RG-6 as your feedline to look completely legit. Once the wire is inside your house, do you really think they would get a search warrant and have you investigated to see if your wire runs to a TV or to a radio?
Now, the last key to the puzzle is getting a TV-sized antenna to tune up on the band you want to work. I'll leave that part up to you. Of course, 2M and 440 would be a snap. You'd be restricted to horizontal polarization, of course. Maybe after it's been in the air awhile, you might get away with installing a 19" and 6" piece of 1/4" aluminum rod vertically on top of the boom, and it probably would go unnoticed.
I have not patented my idea, and all standard legal disclaimers apply (if you try it and get into legal trouble and wind up getting sued, it's not my fault!).
Use the law to your advantage. I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I can see, your HOA would have no recourse if you went this path. No HF unless you loaded the bejeezus out of the elements. You might get reasonable coverage on 10M. And I HIGHLY suggest you keep the power level reasonable and not interfere with your neighbor's TVs! There are actually some pretty strange looking TV antennas, and you might be able to work a useable design from that angle also. I think the key to this idea is making it look like an ordinary TV antenna.
73, and best of luck to you! -KR4WM
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