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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by KI4SDY on October 22, 2009
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Most of this was covered previously after a requested change to 97.113 in public record FCC 06-149 Rule Changes (ruling), where the FCC stated that no change was necessary for paid public safety employees, that were licensed, to use ham radio during emergencies because they were being paid for their public safety duties, not operating amateur radio.
I expect that after the agencies get tired of sending in waiver requests and complain, the FCC will changes the rules so that the requests for drills are not necessary. All they have to do now is have a ham volunteer operate the equipment for the drills and they do not need a waiver.
All common sense!
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by WI7B on October 23, 2009
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Far from it. This is a new clarification, clearly stating that the Amateur rAdios service is NOT an emergemcy radio service, its public service aspects aside.
This notification deals specifically with DRILLS not actual emergencies. It reinterates the nature of th Amateur Radio Service as consisting of indepedent operators.
The ramifications of this will be felt in the DHS funding now going fund what it words as "an additional emergency tool". NO, sorry. The Amateur radio Service is not for sale. It is not an emergency radio service.
73,
---* Ken
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by KI4SDY on October 23, 2009
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Actually, you are about three years behind. Check the date on the ruling that I posted. It is from 2006. I also posted previously, as you know, that the FCC could grant "waivers" for anything that it wants, in relation to this issue. The FCC is in charge of the airways, not you.
The FCC has made this public announcement because hams are posting "incorrect" information on public forums (like eHam.net). I would say your last statement fits into this catagory. Their announcement reaffirms that ham radio can and will be used for disasters and emergencies. The more some hams complain and talk about rules, the more "waivers" and "rule changes" we will see. Kind of self-defeating isn't it?
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by KJ4MPW on October 23, 2009
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"[T]he amateur service is not an emergency radio service. Rather, it is a voluntary, non-commercial communication service authorized for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by licensed persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest."
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by KE4MOB on October 23, 2009
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"In those specific circumstances, the rule waiver is not necessary."
I like how the word SPECIFIC is dropped in there.
*The communications must be *essential*
*It must concern the safety of life or protection of property
*and normal communications must be down
Notice that last part. Ham radio cannot be used in addition to other communications. It can only be used as a last resort to carry essential communications.
Not communications of a frivolous nature or while other communication systems are up.
There, my friends is an easy three part test for emergency communications...
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Communication During Gove
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by KF7CG on October 23, 2009
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Reading the FCC response carefully, I am lead to conclude that the FCC emphasis is as much or more on Pecuniary interest as it is on communications on behalf of the employer,
Pecuniary interest may have a sufficiently broad definition as to preclude employees of companies in certain fields from making mention of many subjects on the air. Pecuniary interest includes much more than direct remuneration for services.
KF7CG
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Emcomm Drills
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by W6EM on October 23, 2009
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"Their announcement reaffirms that ham radio can and will be used for disasters and emergencies. The more some hams complain and talk about rules, the more "waivers" and "rule changes" we will see. Kind of self-defeating isn't it?"
Oh, I suppose it does reaffirm my right to have a VHF radio that is capable of transmitting on two meters and on the marine band. And, my right to use the marine band without a license if no other maritime station answers a distress call on a marine channel and no other means of communication is available.
The *real* purpose of the PN, Mr. Obfuscator Extraordinaire, is to discourage local governments and for-profit entities like hospitals from using the amateur service as an illegitimate Part 90 emergency radio system. The waiver process will fix that.
It will force hospitals and agencies that want a "back channel" so that they can talk when their trunked systems fail onto a Part 90 licensed frequency. We all know that amateur gear is cheap compared to type-accepted Part 90 equipment and the application process.
This is a laudable Public Notice, written by one of the best in the FCC who happens to be one of us, Bill Cross. He understands only too well what the problem has become and he's put it where it belongs: on the shelf.
If *any* agency/entity thinks they'll get a waiver for a specific "drill" in a matter of days or even weeks, think again. And, not frequently, either. I'd bet not more than once a year.
Sure, in a real disaster, when no other means are available, that has been and will be our strength to be able to go anywhere in the spectrum or use any mode needed. And, we don't need to "drill" to know what frequency to use and what to say. Since 2M FM radios look almost like a CB rig, well, 'nough said.
The reason that 47CFR97.403 exists is rooted in the technical abilities of yesterday's amateur to modify, tune and operate gear where its needed, and not just act like a morphed CB channel kerchunker.
And if you think you can run over to Orlando and buy a 2M radio that will do what I described above, think again.
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RE: FCC Issues Notice on Emcomm Drills
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by KI4SDY on October 24, 2009
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I think you guys should keep grousing and trying to create scenarios and issues in an effort to prevent ham radio from being utilized to its fullest potential in disasters and emergencies. The FCC's response will be more waivers, rulings and rule changes, like just happened. They communicated that specifically in this release. Either you can't read or you are just in denial with delusions that you are members of a private ham club, who can control the destiny of amateur radio. You do not control anything. You have no power or authority. The best you can do to keep things from continuing down this path is to quit complaining and get involved. At least in that situation, you would have a voice and could contribute to the final product.
I think it is great that the community is getting organized to be effective in fast recovery from annual disasters. We have those who do nothing and then grouse that the government did not respond fast enough to their needs when disaster struck. To those people, I would ask, what did you do? How did you prepare for predictable events and do you realize that helping your neighbor gets the entire community, as a whole, back up and functioning efficiently?
In an ideal world, amateur radio operators would have organized effective emergency community communications centers and or networks themselves. I think it is disgraceful that government organizations had to be created to do that and it goes against my smaller government philosophy. Unfortunately, it is normal human behavior to sit on your rear and wait for someone else to do it. Well, they have! While you guys were sitting around grousing, the government has moved forward doing what you should have done; giving back to the community for the privilege of earning and using a ham license (which, by the way, was given to you by the government to begin with).
So you guys keep doing nothing and complaining and the FCC will take care of the rest!
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by AB0WR on October 24, 2009
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ki4sdy:
The FCC PN has obviously caused you grief.
You are obviously in between the "bargaining" and "depression" phases of grief.
You need to move on to the "acceptance" phase of grief.
The FCC has put out all kinds of clarification on this issue over the past two months. The PN is just the final culmination.
Amateur radio is not an emergency radio system -- period.
We do not exist to provide permanent comm infrastructure for entities that cannot be licensed under Part 97.
I know this is a shock to the system for those dedicated emcommers who look upon themselves as saviours of the world with equipment that will stay working/standing when commercial installations melt into puddles.
They need to get over it. Work through the denial, anger, bargaining, and depression and move into the acceptance phase.
tim ab0wr
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