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Remote control in contesting	Reply
by 5B4AGE on January 16, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
Maybe this has been touched on before, but what is the general attitude to say, running a contest using your equipment in its registered operating location but using remote control from another place, even in another country. It is obvious that the techique now exists to use the internet to power up the computer then the station and use it, run the contest, post the log and close it down again, all without the operator actually having to physically be on site. It seems to me that this is not strictly in the spirit of contesting even if it is not specifically disallowed in the contest rules. I live most of the time a long way from my registered QTH and although I have not used this method, it would be interesting to hear the views of the contesting community. Dave 5B4AGE

RE: Remote control in contesting	Reply
by KB9CRY on January 16, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
It is fine to do as long as you use the transmitter/antenna location as the actual location.

RE: Remote control in contesting	Reply
by W4YA on January 16, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
ARRL contest rule 3.9 states: 3.9. Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or gateways are not permitted. I don't know what a "digipeter" or a "gateway" is, or how it applies to your situation. Before you spend time in a contest, you should ask the sponsor for a clarification.

RE: Remote control in contesting	Reply
by N5LRZ on January 18, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
I agree with WB9CRY... First for the record let me state that I suggest that any questions concerning the rules of any contest be directed to those people who sponsor the contest to confirm officially any repy received. Having stated this... I agree with CRY. To permit remote operation from a very remote location is to deceive. Otherwise we would have someone getting their friend in a otherwise desireable location to go remote letting another amateur use their radio to give a person in a common location an "Edge".

RE: Remote control in contesting - Deception?	Reply
by W4YA on January 18, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
Who would be deceived? If the rig and antenna is in Cyprus, what difference would it make in a contest if the operator is also in Cyprus or somewhere else? In fact, a remote operator would be at a disadvantage because of the delays inherent in remote operation. A key or mike is connected to the rig in either case. The only difference would be the length of the connecting line. How about this absurd example: I am in a contest in my shack in Florida using my Florida callsign. My computer #1 is connected via the internet finally to a server in Australia which then communicates back to another Florida server, that finally communicates with another computer #2 in my shack, that controls my transceiver. Would I be deceiving anyone if I said I was in Florida? If not, then what does it matter where I am sitting during the contest? Who would be deceived? 73, Jim W4YA

RE: Remote control in contesting - Deception?	Reply
by N5LRZ on January 18, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
Re YA... Internet connections! The internet goes to just about everywhere on the face of the earth (almost everywhere) in one form of access or another. With proper internet interface anyone can be just about anywhere and access their radio or anyone elses radio easily. I know a lot of people hmmmm have an extreme dislike for internet ham interfaces but the world is what the world is.

RE: Remote control in contesting - Deception?	Reply
by N5LRZ on January 18, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
Re YA... Internet connections! The internet goes to just about everywhere on the face of the earth (almost everywhere) in one form of access or another. With proper internet interface anyone can be just about anywhere and access their radio or anyone elses radio easily. I know a lot of people hmmmm have an extreme dislike for internet ham interfaces but the world is what the world is.

RE: Remote control in contesting	Reply
by KI6LO on January 21, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
It seems to me so long as the point of origin of the RF signal being propogated is stated and known, then there is no deception and no advantage (other than not having to be in the remote location should it be non-hospitalible during said contest - like far North in winter, etc.) So long as there is no additional gateway stations or digi/repeaters in the pathway between the originating location (point of defined RF source i.e the antenna) and any station working originating station, then the "No gateway or digi/repeater shall be used" rule has not been violated. If the contest sponser does not allow remote ops, then they should state so in the rules and give a distance limitation between the originating audio source (SSB), keyboard (digital) or jey/paddle (CW) and the RF originating point (antenna being used). BTW if one doesn't know what a gateway station or a digipeater is, I would recommend a review of the licensing theory material. Gene KI6LO

RE: Remote control in contesting	Reply
by W3TUA on February 19, 2009	Mail this to a friend!
It's not an 'edge' if you use the physical location of the equipment as your given contest location/exchange. Common sense.

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