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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by N3OX on February 24, 2009
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I waited two years to submit my CQWW Phone results once to see if I could win.
Didn't work.
:-)
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by N3PRZ on February 24, 2009
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n3qe wrote:....If you are implying that the log checkers are releasing logs to the competition before the deadline and before full checking, then you believe that the checkers are corrupt anyway.
BINGO!
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by AI8P on February 27, 2009
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Actually, I'm not accusing any log-checkers of any impropriety, I'm just repeating the stories of others and trying to gather enough information to form an opinion of my own.
I think anyone can easily see that if you upload your logs to LOTW the same day, then people can check if they have contacts with you and "revise" any that don't match up. Logs can be scoured for busted calls and a SuperPartial Callsign db can be consulted for the most likely replacements. If you can determine some people who are not turning in logs you can add a certain amount of "uniques" to your log without raising any suspicions.
Interestingly, I found this article by a log checker, the SK Paolo, I1UIY:
http://www.rttycontesting.com/AfterTheContest.html
I quote:
"After the contest, when everything is quiet again, many of them don’t even read their own log. They simply push few keys to create the Cabrillo file and submit it as soon as possible. So – if log checking is enough sophisticated – they end to lose points just because they did not cared of the easier work: reading their own log before to submit it. It looks stupid, isn’t it?
There is not an award for the fastest submission. "
So this log checker seems to be advocating against immediate log submission so that you can look over your log and change things like 0 that is o, etc. So he doesn't seem to think that later submissions are part of cheating. So the opinion is apparently not held by everyone.
Dennis
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by W4HIJ on March 9, 2009
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I'm not a serious contester. I just "play" in them for fun. I worked the ARRL DX SSB contest this weekend. Last night after it was over I casually looked over my log for errors and submitted it.
It's not life or death for me as it seems to be for some of these guys. I have other interest in radio besides contesting and other hobbies besides radio.
Some of these folks are just consumed and worrying about when you submit your log or your contacts to LOTW for fear someone will somehow one up you is just a symptom of that. It's paranoia.
Actually what I wish is that more of them would move into the modern world and actually submit their contacts to LOTW. It's been my experience most don't.
I worked about forty countries this weekend ( as I said I do this for fun....wasn't trying really hard!) If I'm lucky I'll maybe get ten or fifteen of those confirmed via LOTW. That's a pretty sad return if you ask me.
73,
Michael
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by KG6MZS on April 13, 2009
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Michael Wrote:
>>>>Actually what I wish is that more of them would move into the modern world and actually submit their contacts to LOTW. It's been my experience most don't.
I worked about forty countries this weekend ( as I said I do this for fun....wasn't trying really hard!) If I'm lucky I'll maybe get ten or fifteen of those confirmed via LOTW. That's a pretty sad return if you ask me. <<<<
I'm afraid LotW is like The "World" Series - still a distinctly US phenomena. I'm with you though, Michael. I wish I could get the rates of return on DX contacts that I do on digital contests. I would even be happy if the world's DX stations went with another online log - it doesn't need to be the ARRL's LotW.
Back to the subject at hand (to avoid a total thread hijack): I've never understood the mentality that derives any satisfaction whatsoever from a goal not legitimately achieved. What a sad, pathetic & empty victory. Dong something like that would forever haunt my soul. Bleech! I cannot worry about cheaters. They've won nothing.
73 de Eric KG6MZS
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by NN3W on April 16, 2009
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>>>>I'm afraid LotW is like The "World" Series - still a distinctly US phenomena. I'm with you though, Michael. I wish I could get the rates of return on DX contacts that I do on digital contests. I would even be happy if the world's DX stations went with another online log - it doesn't need to be the ARRL's LotW. <<<<
I'll have to disagree with that. My "hit" count from DX stations on LoTW is in the thousands, if not tens of thousands. It is NOT a distinctly US phenomena.
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by WX7G on April 16, 2009
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I usually submit a log within minutes of finishing a contest. The contest is done. There is no going back and correcting errors. These must be corrected during the contest.
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by W3WN on April 16, 2009
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The real problem is that there is a decent-sized group of vocal contesters on contesting.com who are convinced that most everyone is dishonest, to put it bluntly.
To wit:
-- Why is someone submitting their log to the contest sponsor at or just before deadline? Must be up to something.
-- Why won't someone post to the 3830 reflector? Must be tinkering with the log as others post.
-- Why won't someone spend a few hundred dollars on updated digital recording equipment, so that they can record (and submit with their log) a audio/video record of their operation? Must be something they don't want people to see.
-- Why won't contest sponsors shorten the entry period from a month to a week? Must be to allow The Usual Winners time to tinker... couldn't possibly be that not everyone has computers or internet access...
-- Why won't people include their exact operating frequency in their logs? After all, EVERYONE who is anyone in contesting has a radio with a computer interface & a computer in their shack... it's not like anyone still USES a Drake C-Line or Ten-Tec Corsair or any other gear not made in the last 3 years...
-- Why won't people consent to Open Logs? Not only are they obviously hiding their cheating, but the log checkers must be in on it too...
You get the point, I hope.
I've actually had private emails from some of these people making outlandish accusations... they are convinced that the log checkers, the contest sponsors, and most or all of the entrants (except them and their friends, of course) MUST be cheating & just haven't been caught yet... why else can't they win a contest?
Mention to them that they might be wrong? Well, obviously, I must be one of the cheaters, why else won't I stand up with them! That, or an old phart who stands in the way of Progress, Truth, Justice, & the American Way.
Now I know where George Lucas got the idea for the black-or-white-no-shades-of-gray philosophy a Sith Lord from...
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by KG6MZS on April 16, 2009
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>>>>>>>>I'm afraid LotW is like The "World" Series - still a distinctly US phenomena. I'm with you though, Michael. I wish I could get the rates of return on DX contacts that I do on digital contests. I would even be happy if the world's DX stations went with another online log - it doesn't need to be the ARRL's LotW. <<<<
I'll have to disagree with that. My "hit" count from DX stations on LoTW is in the thousands, if not tens of thousands. It is NOT a distinctly US phenomena.<<<<
Yeah and there are Japanese, Korean and guys from the Dominican Republic in the major leagues, too.
What I meant is that, by the numbers, people outside the US don't participate in LotW like stateside hams do. Wish they did.
Maybe if LotW supported other nation's awards it would truly be "of the *World*"
73 de Eric, KG6MZS
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RE: Submitting Contest Logs as Late as Possible
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by NN3W on April 16, 2009
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Perhaps some stats would change your mind. I've current got 17,291 LoTW hits arising from about 66,000 QSOs. Of those 17,291 hits, 7,179 hits are from USA stations. That leaves 10,112 hits from stations outside of the USA - a 58.5% hit rate for DX stations.
58% outside of the USA is what I would consider as not being a "US Phenomena".
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