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by K2MK on April 13, 2008
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There have been quite a few DX-peditions in the last few months to some rare places. There is this one guy on CW on every one of these pile-ups who insists on sending UP whenever anyone so much as hits a single dit on the DX frequency. What is interesting and unique to this one individual is that he seems to be using a door-bell button for a key. It takes about 5 seconds to spell out UP and of course he repeats it 2 or 3 times.
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by N3OX on April 13, 2008
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Everything about pileups on big DXpeditions lately has been pretty bad.
This guy (if it is one guy, but maybe not) is a jammer, essentially, and probably who either is a long time DXer and thinks that all the problems are caused by "stupid new hams who don't know CW" or he's not a DXer and thinks DXing itself is stupid.
But maybe there's a silver lining.
No one should ever, ever, ever transmit on the DX frequency. Ever. Never ever. Every once and a while someone will slip up and hit the wrong VFO. That's an accident and is forgivable.
The shower of "UP" and "FU" and "LID" and "UP LID" that *follows* a VFO slip up is often *louder* at many, many locations and *longer* in time than any slip up. It is *intentional* and is often much more interfering than the original guy who's actually sending his callsign (and as such, could be contacted off air, potentially, if he really seems to not understand the idea of split)
I think mister 4 1/2 WPM "UP" guy might just show a few frequency cops that frequency cop behavior *isn't* an innocent reminder to check your VFO ;-)
Dan
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by AF3Y on April 13, 2008
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Probably some old Rag Chewer, trying to be a DX Cop. I listened to a bit of rag chewer garbage the other day, and one old fart actually forgot his callsign, the other rag chewers callsign AND what he was going to say, all within 2 min.
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by N3OX on April 13, 2008
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"New ham" and "old fart" are not mutually exclusive...
But let's not try to shift the blame away to some convenient subgroup of amateur radio operators.
I'm certain 99% of the QRM on the DX transmitting frequency is caused by DXers, whether good DXers or bad ones, either
1) accidentally slipping up with their VFO
2) thoughtlessly calling simplex without listening to the "UP" that the DX station is sending
3) frequency copping the aforementioned thoughtless guys
4) jamming because they're frustrated
or whatever.
There are some non-DXers that like to QRM DXers, the W8 with a Windowshade Net on 160m is a good example, and I mentioned it before because it is possible that the "4.5WPM upper" is one of these.
But most of the QRM I hear comes from DXers and most of the QRM I hear comes from CW DXers because I DX mostly on CW... so I don't know if they're old, young, or non-corporeal and DXing from beyond.
I just know they're causing QRM... many of them thoughtlessly and/or non-accidentally, and it's very likely that *most* of them care about DX.
It's the thoughtless-caller cluster-dwelling DXer (or the innocent slip-up) working in conjunction with the hot-tempered cop-prone DXers that causes most of the QRM I hear.
Dan
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by KY6R on April 13, 2008
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I think the recent spate of "way over the top" QRM on DX-peditions has more to do with conditions at the bottom of the cycle.
But even at the bottom of the cycle - there are those DX-peditions that don't seem to be affected or bothered by the QRM-ers. Why? Because they know how to control the pileups better, and have very effective antennas, and also know how to use propagation.
For any of these really great DX-peditions, you also see fewer people whining on the cluster and internet about how "bad" a certain DX-pedition is.
I love the CW ops that seem to have high Q rates - it gives everyone the confidence that they will get in the log. I also love those DX-peds where they know when propagation will be good to your area, and they are sensitive to that.
I will never forget TO4E. For quite a few days they seemed to not bother trying to work the West Coast. A few guys emailed them, asking them to try our grey line. The TO4E guys obliged, and I couldn't believe it - where we couldn't hear them well on the high bands, they came on 30M and 40M each and every morning for quite a few days, and I swear every West Coaster then got in their log easily.
I think when there is low confidence in a DX-pedition that DX-ers get cranky - and that's when you hear all the garbage.
I always remember DX-peditions like 3C0V - the pileups were insane, and the "Q rate" wasn't that great, but they kept chugging along, and so many people heard them that there was very little malicious interference. Too many DX-ers screaming to try to work them - everyone was too focused on working the DX.
But then again - that was when the SSN was over 200 every day for months.
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by KB9CRY on April 13, 2008
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There is this one guy on CW on every one of these pile-ups
Sri, but what guy? I must have had my notch filters set up just right since I never heard this problem.
Really old news that isn't any worse or better than before; learn to use your radio's features better and you'll not have a problem.
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by AF3Y on April 13, 2008
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Yep, you are right, old person or young person, new ham or old ham. It really does not make a difference. A lid is a lid, regardless. Guess I am just grouchier than normal due to lack of sunspots/flux, etc., etc.
I am at 2 Years this month of "kinda serious" DXing, and I now have 210 different entities worked and 190 confirmed. I want more, and they are certainly not easy to come by right now. Then, add lids to the mix of crappy propagation, QRMing Rag Chewers, etc., and it does not make a happy DXer! 73, Gene AF3Y
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by VE3TMT on April 13, 2008
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KY6R writes:
"I think the recent spate of "way over the top" QRM on DX-peditions has more to do with conditions at the bottom of the cycle.
But even at the bottom of the cycle - there are those DX-peditions that don't seem to be affected or bothered by the QRM-ers. Why? Because they know how to control the pileups better, and have very effective antennas, and also know how to use propagation."
Sorry but did you even read the question? It has nothing to do with where we are in the current cycle or the operating techniques of the DX station. It has to do with the morons, for lack of a better word, who have nothing better to do than sit on the DX stations frequency and send "UP" every time a station sends their call on the DX frequency. It may be due to error, or perhaps they just don't know what split means. We've all done it at one time or another, myself included. The question is who died and left them frequency cop? Sending UP at 10 wpm does more to interfere with the operation then the stations sending on the wrong frequency in the first place. I think it is simply a case of having too much time on their hands with nothing else to do but act like asses and make it difficult for the rest of us.
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by K2MK on April 14, 2008
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to KB9CRY
"learn to use your radio's features better and you'll not have a problem"
I suppose I'm not the first person (and I'm sure I won't be the last) to tell you that you are incredibly rude.
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