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by N3ZKP on November 30, 2003
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Ted,
<< I thought that since it could received HF, it could sent HF also and would have a greater range. >>
There are some HF handhelds in existance, but they are several years old and I have no experience with them.
You are correct that HF would be a better choice and there are several good backpackable rigs on the market.
The best be it to do what you appear to have already done is to talk to experienced local hams. It's whole lot easier than dealing with some of us crusty ol' souls online. <g>
Good luck with the project. Be sure to come back and let us know how it turns out.
Lon
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by W0IPL on December 1, 2003
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Since you got a lot of flack for your misunderstanding, let's try and get back on track.
The VX-7 would do all of the VHF/UHF things you want. The problem comes in that if you were to transmit "out of band" (non ham frequencies) you *are* subject to disciplinary action by the FCC, even if it was "an emergency". Additionally, if your group knowingly allowed you to operate on "thier" frequency(ies) they would also be subject to fine or potential loss of frequency allocation.
I am not sure which frequencies you need but if they are only VHF, then I would suggest you get an IC-F11. These are (for those listening that bitched so much) TYPE ACCEPTED sixteen channel 5 watt VHF transcevers. With you affiliation, I believe you could get one (here in Colorado) for about $250 to $275. You could then also get a Yaesu VX-2 to listen (detractors please note the word LISTEN) to the other frequencies. Both together would cost less than a VX-7 and would allow legal operation on VHF public service frequencies.
If you would care to talk further, drop me an E-mail at w0ipl@arrl.net
C Ya
Pat
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by OBSERVER11 on December 1, 2003
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EVERYONE: Before I catch any more sh*t for misusing a radio that I have not even bought and have never used, let me rephrase my previous post. I would like to find a radio that:
1) Can be used in the event of an emergency in the backcountry.
Ham use = YES. Commercial use = NO... in a TRUE EMERGENCY WHEN ALL OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATIONS HAVE FAILED - that includes cell phones = YES... but If your other means of communications have failed, I would not expect a ham radio to have survived too.
How far back is your back country? Does it have VHF/UHF coverage? repeaters? US Forestry radio channels? IF NOT, you may be S-O-L on V/UHF and should be on HF.
2) I can use within my role of a volunteer on the water rescue team. The frequencies used within the county are posted at: http://www.gmra.org/n0nhp/summit.htm
NO! Even though you are a VOLUNTEER, you may not use HAM RADIO to communicate in your normal course of "business"... that is, if you use a radio, will will be expected to have a type accepted/FCC certified radio.
3) Will allow me to learn about and participate in the Amateur Radio community.
You are very welcome to join the Amateur Community, but do not start off on a bad footing.
If such a product exists, I would appreciate hearing about it.
I recently found a couple ads for HT1000 and MT1000's on QRZ and eHam. either of these radios would be legal on your volunteer channels, have the survivability that you could not expect from a ham radio, and could also be LEGALLY used on the hambands as well as commerical channels.
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by KI6LO on December 2, 2003
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I understand your rationale and would agree that you can use this HT for all the things you spoke of, providing it was within the limits of the regulations as others have listed here.
I have one question. I didn't see any mention of a call sign and I was wondering if you have a ham license (which is definitely required) or were you planning on testing for one.
I bring this up simply as a point that someone else mentioned that the FCC has severe penalties for improper use of frequencies and equipment outside the scope of the rules.
If you don't have a license, I would invite you to speak to the local ham radio club about getting involved. Contrary to evidence in replies given, not all hams are all flamers and grouchy. It is a fun hobby and in many instances very handy, as you have eluded to in your opening message.
Good Luck in your search for gear,
Gene KI6LO
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by KE4DRN on December 3, 2003
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Hi,
Please don't take this the wrong way, yes there are rules we as operators must follow and if we do not there are severe penalties including fines, loss of equipment and prison time if convicted ! And don't forget about the expense of legal defense and you get the idea.
The frequencies we are licensed to operate on are shared and if we do not follow the rules, the FCC can and will take away our authority to use them.
While nobody here knows who you are, we don't want to see you get into trouble for helping others in an emergency.
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by HIGH on December 3, 2003
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yabba dabba doo!
What a bunch of bullcrap.
1. The FCC is not gonna take away HAM bands because a nonham transmitted on nonham frequencies using a SAR callsign. Anyone who believes otherwise is a total dumb&$@^ using misleaeding scare tactics. I think there are a bunch of mislead idiots out there who use this false argument as an excuse to go out on self-rightous rants and crusades against anyone they see as violating FCC regulations.
2. If he (I'm assuming it is a he) doesn't make trouble, he won't get busted. If this guy is using those frequencies for his teams business with permission, they won't be complaining. THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE FCC TO FIND OUT. The FCC is not going to bother with the issue anyhow. They won't know unless the guy uses an amature callsign. There is no way for people listening to know that he is using a nontype accepted radio unless he it is malfunctioning or usign it way far from the ham bands. The FCC does not roll up in vans at a rescue mission demanding to inspect everyone's radio equiptment to make sure it's type accepted. They don't have the time for this.
Even if he got a letter from the FCC he can just say he had a county issued radio or whatever for the day.
3. If he falls off his mountain bike and breaks his leg and his cellphone doesn't work, the FCC is not going to bust him for broadcasting a Mayday so long as he tries his cellphone first and tries to hit the local ham repeater (assuming there is one) before hitting the police freqs. That is what the emergency provisions if the CFRs are for.
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by HIGH on December 3, 2003
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Another thought... HF backpack rig is going to be a lot of trouble to set up an antenna for if you have broken limbs.
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by N3ZKP on December 4, 2003
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<< Even if he got a letter from the FCC he can just say he had a county issued radio or whatever for the day. >>
Let's see ...
We have an individual using a non-type accepted radio on a public service frequency. The odds of getting caught are minimal, but he willfully breaks federal law anyway.
When he DOES get caught, he LIES about it? Do you realize that is a FEDERAL FELONY?
Great way for a (potential) ham to act!
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by HIGH on December 4, 2003
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"on a public service frequency" WHICH HE HAS PERMISSION TO USE
"nontype accepted" which means that the FCC didn't put their happy face sticker on the radio which performs to spec with "type accepted" radios in that range. what is the harm? NONE! only a technicality makes it wrong. it is a mostly pointless (over)regulation meant to keep poeople off frequencies they shouldn't be on. unfortunately it is working here to keep people off frequencies they SHOULD be on (i guess his county is underfunded or something). ever driven your car with a head/tail light out for more than a day? illegal and a lot more dangerous!
Atchung babies! lets hunt down every last person who uses a wallyworld GMRS radios without a license and put them in death camps for violating FCC regulations even though they are doing no harm!
"what is his point?"
CERTAINLY USING A RADIO FREQUENCY YOU ARE NOT LICENSED FOR IS FAR MORE DIRE AND ILLEGAL THAN USING A FREQUENCY ONE IS UNDER LICENSE TO USE EXCEPT YOU USED A RADIO THAT WORKS PERFECTLY FOR THE TASK BUT ISN'T "FCC TYPE ACCEPTED"
whine whine whine boohoo "it's not type accepted but he will NEVER get in trouble" waa waa waa
I can only imagine the nightmares you have about all those people who illegally use GMRS and get away scott free... some of you guys must give yourselves ulcers just thinking about that.
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by HIGH on December 4, 2003
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We have some person here who is VOLUNTEERING their time to save lives, putting their life on the line. Now this person is willing to spend their own personal $$$ to buy equiptment that apparently is beyond the budget of their rescue team in order to make life saving more efficient, and it makes me sick there is a crowd here that would want nothing more than to have this selfless public servant charged with breaking an all around idiotic regulation were he ever to use his radio to save a life.
Those people need to go out and do something productive in society. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Go have some nice QSOs. Whatever.
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