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a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
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by KG4WXP on August 27, 2009
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I dont know what it is with me and running into these forums that make me want to pull my hair out, but I ran across something displaying someone using a '10 meter' radio....a ranger 2950.... and it wound up a convo about regulations and the FCC...this is what the guy said:
"I am an Extra class ham. There is no f***ing way that I would say a word about anybody operating WTF ever they want too. As long as they stay away from 10m, I could give a s**t less. I still play the high power 11m thing. I have for 15 years without any problems. Dips**t cops don't know a fuc**ng thing about radio, so they stay out of it. 226 High Desert mobile rockin' these 32 pills around Sin City, NV, just got DOWN!
I don't know where your at up there, Rabbit. I used to live up around Hastings, MI, which used channel 22. I used to go as Titan and ran a 6 element beam with 2kw. My mobile was a Galaxy 88 and a 12 pill box. I got out of it for a while, got my ham ticket, and now I am back operating from just outside of Sin City, NV. Now I am running an RCI 2970 and a 32 pill amp in the mobile -- pumping out a 3000w key-down and swing up around 7500w. Not the biggest, but I can be heard for sure, lol "
7500 Watts on 11 METER? Why isnt the FCC going after THESE people?
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by WB5JEO on August 27, 2009
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The F.C.C. isn't exactly the highest priority federal agency, and it has a very broad mission in which the amateur and citizen services are only a small part. And no doubt the proliferation of more and more devices radiating RF has strained the engineering and RFI enforcement resources.
If you think about what it takes to build even a solid administrative case for something like illegal power, it's mostly beyond what they have to work with. To prove up a contested violation, you have to show to at least a civil preponderance standard that a particular person committed a particular violation, a violation that has to be proven by an engineering argument. It's not a trivial process. You may "know" something's in violation, but you can't argue a case based on someone's estimation made from experience. The idiots who imagine that they're clever pirates somehow confounding efforts to catch them are delusional. They're not evading any effort, because no one's making that effort. The cops he's not worried about don't do anything about it because it's simply not within their jurisdiction to do anything about it. State law isn't involved, and state and local police can't enforce federal law that doesn't happen to also be a state violation.
And the F.C.C. doesn't get much of the advantages some other administrative agencies have with their violations of law. Some other agencies deal with matters that are often associated with local law enforcement or regulatory investigations where they can take what the local agency has developed and use it. Unless the violation involved interference with a local public safety operation, local agencies have neither the jurisdiction nor technical ability to develop cases.
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RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
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by AB4ZT on August 27, 2009
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7500 watts out would be about 15000 watts in, which in a 12 volt system would draw 1250 amps. I think this guy is just blowing smoke.
73,
Richard
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by KG4WXP on August 27, 2009
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I thought that the local law enforcement had the authority to arrest cb'ers nowdays though?
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by NO2A on August 27, 2009
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I`ve heard these cb`ers make these impossible claims about power output. It`s all talk. What do you really think would happen to your mobile (or base) antenna if you pumped 7500 watts into it? It would melt,big time,then your s.w.r. would go through the roof. Think these guys ever actually measure their power through a wattmeter? Of course not! They don`t know what a wattmeter is let alone how to measure any power output. I`ve heard them bragg about their "1000 watt linears". And where exactly do you buy a 1000 watt linear anyway? (for mobile use) If only we could stop these truck stops from selling their "10 meter" radios,some are 12 meters also. I know one of the popular chains is currently under investigation for doing this. (Petro,or Pilot) All we can do is hope for the best.
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by WB5JEO on August 27, 2009
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State law enforcement, which includes state, city, county, and various district peace officers may enforce state law and the local ordinances of their particular cities and counties. There is no authority to arrest for violations of federal law, unless the local officer has also been commissioned as a federal officer, which is most commonly done by Homeland Security for customs matters, and those officers use that authority strictly for the limited purpose intended.
Only the most recalcitrant violator of F.C.C. regulations would ever be actually arrested, and even then it would be after a long effort at civil enforcement. I suspect most people arrested for radio operations were actually arrested for contempt of court following an court order to refrain from operating. And the arrest then could be made my any officer of any jurisdiction who happened across them, but would most likely be done by the U.S. Marshal Service. A federal judge can and will act to enforce orders. For actual violations of federal penal law, the U.S. Attorneys have to pretty picky about what cases they take. They have rather limited resources.
I could be standing there watching someone operate on 11 meters with what I knew to be a 1kW amplifier. Unless the operation was knowingly interfering with official public safety communications, I could do nothing, except the rather futile step of reporting to the F.C.C. and offering to be an especially credible witness. Only the knowing interference would be a violation of state law, and it would be for that specific effect on public safety communications, not for general interference with a licensed operation. I did once arrest an individual using a lost or stolen law enforcement VHF hand radio to interfere on a law enforcement channel, but it was for theft and the interference, not for operating the radio, per se.
It gives the CB bunch a thrill to imagine that the F.C.C. if lurking, and they're successfully avoiding the police, but it's just silly.
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by N5LRZ on August 27, 2009
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Re JEO...
NOT quite exactly true....
Read the following....
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html
I have even been known to go so far as to encourage local law enforcement agencies to pass the required laws to permit local law enforcement enforceing CB rules and regs and to even suggest that said law enforcemnt agency persons with volunteer licensed amateurs conduct station inspections after some formal FCC Training Course in regards to such things.
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by KG4WXP on August 27, 2009
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you're right!
***************
The ARRL Letter
Vol. 19, No. 46
December 1, 2000
==>PRESIDENT SIGNS CB ENFORCEMENT BILL
President Bill Clinton has signed legislation that permits the enforcement
of certain FCC Citizens Band regulations by state and local governments.
Amateur Radio operators are exempt from the provisions of the law, now PL
106-521.
Congressional lawmakers saw the measure as a way to give a voice to those
experiencing radio frequency interference resulting from illegal CB radio
operation. The FCC will not yield its authority to regulate Citizens Band or
other radio services, however.
In short, the measure authorizes states and localities to enact laws that
prohibit the use of unauthorized CB equipment--consistent with FCC
regulations. This would include the use of high-power linear amplifiers or
equipment that was not FCC-certificated.
FCC-licensed stations in any radio service--including the Amateur
Service--are excluded from such state or local enforcement, and state or
local laws enacted under this legislation must identify this exemption.
The bill--HR.2346 is the House version; it was S.2767 in the
Senate--actually is the old Senate "Feingold bill" from several sessions
ago. The bill's sponsor, Rep Vernon Ehlers of Michigan says local hams asked
him to support the bill because of the bad rap they were getting from
illegal CBers using high-power linear amplifiers that resulted in TV and
telephone interference while the CBers involved hid behind federal
preemption.
As did Feingold before him, Ehlers asked the ARRL to review his measure to
ensure that it would not unintentionally harm Amateur Radio.
A copy of the new legislation is available on the ARRL Web site at
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html.
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by KE4DRN on August 27, 2009
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hi,
even if FCC fines them they have no
means to pay the hefty fine.
Even K1MAN Baxter is on the air again.
73 james
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