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by KB3TLC on November 2, 2009
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I am newly back into ham radio after 30+ years, and a new user of eham.net. I think this is a very valuable resource, especially to neophytes like me, and, yes, I've subscribed.
But I am dismayed at some of the vitriol I see in the posts. There is no call for incivility. There is no call for personal attacks. There is no room for profanity. The other day, I saw that somebody directed an "F Bomb" to one of the posters; today, I saw another personal attack.
The essence of ham radio is a sense of community, collegiality, service, and civility. It's about acting grown up, and respecting the privileges and airwaves (and the Internet electrons) that we enjoy...and share. It's about being a good role model, and encouraging others to embrace this great hobby.
Let's redouble our efforts at getting back to those basics--both on the air and on eham.net. When we post, and when we transmit, we do a terrible disservice to our hobby, and we demean ourselves, when we are anything but civil and helpful toward each other.
I look forward to meeting you on the air!
73, Tony
N3WAK
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by W8ATA on November 2, 2009
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Welcome back to our hobby Tony. I can't agree more with the essence of your comments. When I first came to eHam I was disturbed with the same feeling. It still nags at me from time to time. But what I have found out in my 75 years is that I can't change others. I can only change myself. I had to "get a new pair of glasses" and when I changed the way I looked at things, the things I looked at changed. So I now don't let the vitriolic comments ruin each new precious day for me. Life is good and I work hard to keep it that way.
73 and best to you,
Russ
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by K9IUQ on November 2, 2009
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You think it is bad on eham? Wait til you hear a big pileup on a SSB Dxexpedition.
Your idea of "incivility" wil be re-defined.
Eham.net is not moderated, so incivility is allowed.
The FCC does not moderate the bands so "incivility" is allowed.
Society allows incivility, why be surprised that many hams practice it reguarly..
Stan K9IUQ
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by K4SAV on November 2, 2009
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Comparing amateur radio today to that of 30 years ago must have been a real shocker. It has changed a lot, as has society in general. It would be nice to return to those days, but it looks like we are headed more in the opposite direction. As for me, I am still living in the past and trying to ignore the present.
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by N5LRZ on November 2, 2009
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Just in case the original poster has not NOTED....
Civility does NOT exist in this world.
all one needs to do to prove it in complete absolute reality is to merely watch the national/world evening news.
Do civil people strap on high explosives, walk into a so called holy place of worship and then detonate the expsosives killing themselves and as many people around them as possible..
FAR FAR FAR from civil.
On the 80 meter band you will hear on a nightly basis outright racists comments. The infamous N word is very common. AS IS their right under the US Constitution Freedom of Speach as long as it does not insite criminal actions.
Original Poster, the world is full of hate, sometime PURE HATE. Better damn well get used to it.
FAR FAR FAR from civil
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by KU5Q on November 2, 2009
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"Civility Reply
by KB3TLC on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I am newly back into ham radio after 30+ years, and a new user of eham.net. I think this is a very valuable resource, especially to neophytes like me, and, yes, I've subscribed.
But I am dismayed at some of the vitriol I see in the posts. There is no call for incivility. There is no call for personal attacks. There is no room for profanity. The other day, I saw that somebody directed an "F Bomb" to one of the posters; today, I saw another personal attack.
The essence of ham radio is a sense of community, collegiality, service, and civility. It's about acting grown up, and respecting the privileges and airwaves (and the Internet electrons) that we enjoy...and share. It's about being a good role model, and encouraging others to embrace this great hobby.
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by K9IUQ on November 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
You think it is bad on eham? Wait til you hear a big pileup on a SSB Dxexpedition.
Your idea of "incivility" wil be re-defined.
Eham.net is not moderated, so incivility is allowed.
The FCC does not moderate the bands so "incivility" is allowed.
Society allows incivility, why be surprised that many hams practice it reguarly..
Stan K9IUQ"
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Asking with respect and courtesy, were people that much different in at least *our* society 30 years ago? Some variant of the "civility" question(s)(or not) has been, and will continue to be asked. People created this "ham radio" hobby, it didn't create us. Of course it's not right for people to mistreat one another. But, why should any hobby including "ham radio" be exempt from human nature? It is no more exempt than anything else in our lives. We make it what is, and not the other way around.
As aforestated, no disrespect intended.
Our time and our choices as to what we do with every second of our lives.........
We will always have a choice what we do with our time. In reality, even when we think we don't have a choice, we have a choice to think so, so we infact always have a choice. In almost all instances, I've found that when unreasonable expectations are placed on *anything*, *anything at all*, disappointment ensues.
It's our time, our decisions, our lives, and if are disappointed with any part of it, we have no one but ourselves to blame.
Have fun with "ham radio", and any other hobbies you have, and don't put unreasonable expectations on it, or anything else.
KU5Q
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by KG6MZS on November 2, 2009
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>>>>The FCC does not moderate the bands so "incivility" is allowed.<<<<
I find this trend to codify etiquette into law to be disturbing. Laws are what we *must* obey. Etiquette is what we *should* do. No amount of legislation is going to make people moral or decent. All we can do is be moral and decent ourselves and not worry about the failure of others to be decent human beings.
Another country heard from.
73 de Eric, KG6MZS
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by K2OOG on November 2, 2009
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Tony,
thank you for saying it.
in the old days there was no eham, and no internet, and my recollection is that amateur radio operators knew their theory and they were ladies and gentlemen.
we all had to learn some code, and we all had to learn some difficult electronic theory.
unfortunately I am afraid some of the rudest people are attracted to eham today.
but I think there are still many good people out there who actually know their radio theory, and they are ladies and gentlement, but they may not be attracted to posting that much on eham, because of the rudeness of a small minority.
73,
David
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by WB6BYU on November 2, 2009
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I knew rude and uncivil hams 30 years ago, too. They just
didn't have a place like eHam where they had such a
convenient audience. I would just tune past them when I
heard them on the air, and now I scroll past the posts of
people who appear to be more disruptive than helpful.
Along with freedom of speech we have the freedom not to
listen to the aforementioned speech.
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by N5LRZ on November 2, 2009
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Re BYU...
UNFORTUNATELY sometimes one cannot run and hide. I reference in particular the ever it seems so increasing in number weekend contests that swamp the otherwise tranquil and orderly HF Frequencies.
When one is completely surrounded by a pack of snarling wolves one has no place to run.
Sometimes there is absolutely no sanctuary other then turning the OFF knob until it goes CLICK off.
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