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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by K3WVU on July 19, 2005
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Lon,
I doubt it. We're going to England in August to visit my father-in-law for his 95th birthday, so that should just about cure me on travel for awhile. Not ruling it out, though--I would like to catch it.
Sometimes these rumors tend to spin out of control. The first thing I did was "run it up the chain" for clarification. Doesn't seem to be anything to worry about. Even if it were true, I could make two of my HF rigs NTIA compliant for about $230 and a little soldering.
73
Dwight
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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by N3ZKP on July 19, 2005
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Hope you make it, but if you don't, I hope you enjoy the trip to England.
I had this conversation with Bo when I was GAW here and he shot down the idea. He indicated it wasn't an issue with either of the MARS services. I'm surprised John jumped in and gave the impression it's a comingl in Army MARS.
Lon
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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by W3JKS on July 20, 2005
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I know that the narrowband VHF-FM part of the specs is coming to Army MARS, for certain. The HF stability issue will hit us all, sooner or later. Timetables depend on the service, but the sooner we prepare for it, the less of a problem it will be.
Plus, I believe that it is simply good practice. Modern digital modes are more successful with a stable radio. I have been buying TCXOs for my rigs since the beginning for that reason...
john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3O/AAA9AC
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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by KB3JUV on July 21, 2005
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From AR Newsline:
BAXTER TARGET OF PHONY PACKET
The new rules concerning automatic message forwarding are
already being tested by another of those phantom hams who seem to
exist only as a derogatory packet radio posting. Almost as the
FCC was issuing its notice easing the rules dealing with
automatic message forwarding a phony message targeting
International Amateur Radio Net manager Glenn Baxter, K1MAN
appeared on a suburban Chicago packet bulletin board. The
message originated in Winnetka, Illinois and indicated that the
Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA was monitoring various ham radio
communications including bulletins issued by Baxter and his IARN
service.
The All United States posting was signed with the name Hal
and the call sign WA9PVJ. Newsline checked the latest Sam Call
Sign database. Guess what. There is no such person as Hal or
call sign WA9PVJ listed. Nor does WA9PVJ appear in our latest
printed callbook directory.
This would seem to be another case of a packet radio SySop
being victimized by a person hiding behind the anonymity of a
keyboard and radio while putting the ham license of the SySop in
jeopardy.
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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by K3HVG on July 28, 2005
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Yes, there is a Congressional mandate for all Federal agencies (DOD and Civilian)to be in compliance with the NTIA redbook by 2008, at the latest. Notwithstanding some military tactical equipment in current use and that will be in the inventory for the forseeble future, if its on a Federal frequency, it will be NTIA compliant. The reason for the compliance specification(s) is two-fold. First, it provides minimun technical operating standards for equipment for modes and frequency bands. Secondly, it provides a unified set of procurement specifications such that a Fed agency can procure and expect a certain level of adequacy (based on the specification(s). The NTIA is the mirror of the private-sector's FCC. Each entity must function and co-exist in the spectrum environment in a benign manner. That's the idea. Each Agency's frequency and spectrum manager is responsible for ensuring that operating units are in compliance with the appropriate NTIA reg and spec. The NTIA is not directly in the enforcement business, although they will become involved in disputes and problem-solving. Enter volunteer organizations like CAP and MARS. CAP has already been, and now it looks like MARS will be pulled into the pit. Let me first say that the case of HF equipment is pretty easy to handle. The tx has to be within 20Hz and the spurious has to be down about 32dB or something like that... no problem with a lot of current ham gear. (One can check out CAP's NTC website and see both HF and VHF equipment lists.) One fine point; there's no such thing as "NTIA Compliance" or acceptance, in the same sense as "FCC Acceptance". What there is is equipment that is NTIA compliant. For CAP, and maybe now MARS, its the VHF case that's a bear. The specs include both transmitter stability and purity and some rather onerous receiver specs, too!! That's the rub.. there's virtually nil ham gear that will do the job and no manufacturer in his/her right mind could economically do so. I can agree that one's signal should be clean and on frequency. Beyond that, if I can accept some interference, etc. then so be it. But, the NTIA specifications say different. That, and the migration to narrowband, is the current undoing. I applaud MAR's ability to forestall the inevitable but it is coming. Its really too bad that "they" couldn't come up with a waiver such that these volunteer organizations couldn't have some slack. CAP has arguably lost 50% of it comm capability owing to NTIA compliance. Federal agency managers are going to be held to the task of ensuring that those under their purview operate in compliance and, trust me, they're going to do it! Hopefully, when the ultimate sunset date comes around, someone will do the right thing, unless its already too late. But, heck, just set up your equipment and label it "Static Display - For Demonstration and Instructional Purposes Only". That'll baffle your IG or Evaluator!
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RE: NTIA COMPLIANT BY 2008?
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by WA4MJF on July 28, 2005
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Very interesting...I guess that means
many more newer green radios will be
available for us green radio fans.
The newer ones are quite expensive now as
few are surplussed.
With that short a date, I'm sure the
R&D will be working overtime to come up
with new stuff. The biggest problem I see
will be the backwards compatability to
the last tactical radios, that heretofore
have driven R&D on new green radios. NSA
will have to work on new crypto techniques to
fit the narrow emissions, also.
Of course, with the ole ones not being compliant,
they may have to field them to the active and
reserve components simultaneously at the same
time and not have to worry about backwards
compatability, except they'll still need
the 53.30 MHz New Squelch to communicate with
RACES. Of coure, the FCC could change that
frequency to another one that is compatable with
the new radios that come out.
This would mean even more showing up surplus!
Good news for MARS members (screeners, man
your DRMOs) and surplus buyers.
73 de Ronnie
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by AA4PB on July 28, 2005
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How do they intend to enforce it? Who's going to go around to the homes of volunteer MARS members and inspect their stations for NTIA compliance? I expect all they can do is to create a list of NTIA compiant equipment and make you sign a statement that you are only using that equipment.
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by N3ZKP on July 29, 2005
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Bob,
I agree with you that the rule is basically unenforcable on individual MARS members. I can't imagine any State MARS Director going around, or sending someone around to physically inspect each member's radio equipment.
Lon - NNN0OOR / NNN0GAW ONE
MDE Navy-Marine Corps MARS
Proudly Serving Those Who Serve
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by CPLRADAR on July 31, 2005
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I think whats happening here is that people are not fully understanding whats going on. Think about when MARS actually gets used in the States, usually for emergencies if I'm not mistaken, as all the time I spent as a Army radio operator Stateside, I've never seen anyone use MARS. Both the FCC and NTIA and all other government communications orginizations all have a written statement somewhere that usually says something to the effect "unless otherwise directed in case of emergencies." It was probably a message sent out because some pin-head somewhere realized there was a part of the government they could not control directly, so they blew the whistle that all these MARS guys weren't playing by the rules. It won't be enforced because some oversight commitee will realize that it would cost too much money, the conservatives wanting to buy a fighter plane that doesn't fly with the money, and the liberals wanting to give the money to France. And everyone will forget about it.
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by K3HVG on August 1, 2005
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Action will be taken by the cognizant agency at such time as a MARS, or whatever entity, causes a problem to an adjacent service and they, in turn, file a complaint. Until that occurs, the FED does not have the time, desire, nor the facility to police the day to day minutia. Your KWM-2 or your KDK FM will be just fine until it affects someone outside. That, and maybe if your agency has zealots within!!!
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