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N2RRA on 2009-11-16
LMAO! There you go!

W1IT on 2009-10-18
I recall one Gem of a net control on 40, who hearing cw, but unable to copy cw. A no code lite, he continued to QRM WA3NAN, who had been on the frequency for hours.

When told he was qrming, said, stop qrmin g my net. Now, the space shuttle is on UHF.

A real winner !

N2RRA on 2009-10-04
AI2IA,

I agree 100% and that's clearly what many lack.

Google it folks "Amateur's Code" by Paul Seigal , 1929

73 Gents and gals!

N2RRA on 2009-10-04
N5JHJ,

Once again it is clear some people just play dumb.
Maybe you can't read as well for I'm certainly not the
only one here with agreement with the true author's
post. The reason why I have responded so much to this
post is only to make my point because others are too
afraid to make it with stern belief.

As for you not answering the question I had no doubt
you wouldn't answer it with any sensible possible
solution like we've been trying to accomplish here. In
that case it's safe to say that you successfully
accomplished what I set out to prove. What we have
here is a simple case of I don't care what anyone
thinks as long as I get mine. It's all about me me me
syndrome. Clearly!

My answer is in my question as a stepping stone to
prevent further more of bumping heads with contest,
casual operators and of course other nets.

" Personally, as you asked me... I dont really see
anything wrong with The Nets(PERIOD)"

"I'd say the REASON that you hear the opinion
RESTATED so many times - is because there are other
operators, WHO DO NOT SHARE the same
sentiments, that you do"

The original question asked if there seemed to be too
many nets which stirred up opinions that along with the
many nets came trouble. I didn't start it but agreed with
it. If you took the care or bother to read all the other
comments maybe you would retract your statement I
quote you above. Maybe not!

So you seem to agree that with all the poor amateur
radio practice NCO's exhibit much more often through
the year over any other activities that you find nothing
wrong with nets. SWEET! You made my argument
clear. Real sharp guy, thank you!.

"You've gone into "the Sky Is Falling" mode proclaiming
that "you have Bifocals," and the rest of Ham Radio, or
the world just can't SEE"

Well! You stuck your foot in your mouth again. If you
read my other comments and opinions pertaining to
people having bifocals you clearly have them.

Why can't you give us a reason or an answer why
NCO's RUDELY operate in the manner that they do?

Why can't you give an answer or reason why NETS
think they own a frequency when article 97.101 clearly
states that no one has priority to any one frequency?
"Unless it's an actual emergancy"

Why can't you simply answer my question to just a
couple possible solutions?

Oh, I remember! You don't see anything wrong with
NETS PERIOD! What a curtious operator you are.

Let's make something very clear!

I have supported nets in the past and still do today as I
have said it in the past if you read back a couple of
pages and will stand by that statement unless they are
in the wrong.

Let's make this also very clear!

You and others who disagree with me want others like
myself who want to preserve this hobby to go away.
You don't like us reminding you what this hobby is
about and the by laws like Article 97.101 we should be
abiding by for the preservation of Ham Radio that has
made it last as long as it has preventing it from turning
into an 11 meter band. We're not going away with a
simple turn of the VFO!

My intentions are true, without prejudice, and with good
intentions for the preservation of our hobby. Like many
who disagree with me trying to be the best operator
that I can be has not refrained me from having a good
time or sharing band space with anyone. So the next
time comments like "oh, it's just a hobby don't take this
so seriously" I say shove it! That's not how I would say
it to your face but I'm trying to keep it clean.

11 meters turned out to be an early version of Amateur
radio and because people took no care ,or thought to
their efforts to getting licensed seriously then we're on
an another 11 meter endevor. That just flat out sucks!

I'll end my final comments and opinions here!

I will continue to do my part in asking if any frequency
is in use 3x and check 3khz +/- for a response. If I get
no response but hear a QSO 2 kHz away I move up
1khz. I always maintain or try to keep 3 kHz away from
any QSO. Never am I 1-2 kHz away from any QSO in
progress.

There's also the possibilty of narrow transmit audio and
using 2.0khz filters to move within 2 kHz as long as the
signals are under an S-8. This shouldn't bother the
NETS nor should they bother me. Of course if the
signal receiving is 5/9+20 it's not going to help.

If another station or net rudely moves in close then I try
to compensate moveing as minumal as possable to
reduce QRM. Unfortunitly due to the over crowding of
NETS and operators using 20m for example it's not that
simple. All you could do is try and if all fails return the
same uncurtious behavior right back.

Good luck boys and girls!

KG4TKC on 2009-10-04
AI2IA-
BINGO- You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what has made amateur's able to share the bands in the past,and what will do it in the future. Attitude will do what rules cannot.

AI2IA on 2009-10-04
Nets are not the problem. Bad attitudes are the real problem.
So, net users and net avoiders take a kindly tip from The Amateur's Code:
CONSIDERATE ...never knowingly operates in such a way as to lesson the pleasure of others.
FRIENDLY ... slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur spirit.
So if both net users and those who dislike some action of net users both try hard to follow Paul Segal's advice from 1928, then everyone will benefit and the problem will be greatly reduced.

Think it over and practice it.

N5JFJ on 2009-10-04
N2RRA? Eric?

You asked...for another answer.

And to quote one of your remark?
"Stop using diversions and answer the question. Your opinion has been repeated time and time again and my response similar. Now, I asked a question to another person which has not responded so I turn the question to you for an answer. Lets hear your opinion on that instead of your Woe is me, soap box opinion."

So, since you asked so politely, I will...Certainly respond, to your remark.

I'd say the REASON that you hear the opinion RESTATED so many times - is because there are other operators, WHO DO NOT SHARE the same sentiments, that you do! Plain and simple it appears that you don't like... Nets. OK... so YOU don't like Nets.

Personally, as you asked me... I dont really see anything wrong with The Nets(PERIOD)

I'd say that you must be, or may as well be, the Author of this "speak Out" article. (And I truly dont know) But, I'd say that because with most any of the posts written, that may disagree with your point of view? You've gone into "the Sky Is Falling" mode proclaiming that "you have Bifocals," and the rest of Ham Radio, or the world just can't SEE!

Here's a very simple answer Eric.
You... stay far away from Nets... Eric.

And if "NETS" get you so stirred up, about Ham radio? You just might need to consider another Hobby. So? Take a CHILL-PILL and "REMEMBER TO GET OVER IT"

73 to you also, Eric.

VY1WUD on 2009-10-04
I agree there aret too many nets. How ever I believe it is cause from group splitting up and creating their own same net which make no sence. Example what net do I pass traffic to make sure it get to it's destination . It sure not like it use to be .... Rich

N2RRA on 2009-10-04
Hmmm!

"There is a waterway net they give weather,
and position of boats."

Aren't you supposed to have a rig in every boat that also contacts "Coast Guard" if your drift at sea or sinking? Instruments to tell the weather should be on every boat, and just to add even with all the chatter during the net I sure hope that those crucial seconds while guys who are just passing time don't miss that S.O.S. amongst the QRM and chatter.

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"Those three nets do use all of the available propagation time on 20 meters, but they are NOT on 24/7."

Their not on 24/7 now because propagation on 20m isn't open around the clock in past years, but when it is so will the MMSN. I've seen it and heard it.

All though I support this net due to possibilties of an emergency I can't say it's o.k. for them to do it and others can't. As for 2m and 440! Please don't even put H.F. in the same catagory. That's a whole different bread of operators and propagation plus band width usage. Not to mention subject.

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"that to walk into the Shack, turn the Rig on, and simply "ENJOY THIS HOBBY" is truly what the Hobby, was intended to be about."

Your right and wrong! but it seems you haven't read all posts. A lot of operators can't turn on their rig to enjoy H.F., because there are too many nets. That's the whole point of this subject not to mention NCO's poor operating practice of being kind and thoughtful to others. Read between the lines!

What this hobby is all about is enjoying all aspects of it. I'm not saying that a NET doesn't have as much right or air time as the rest, but they don't need to operate 7 days a week either. Should we just say when we turn our rigs on "oh, guess I can't make good usage of propagation on 20m because the nets are taking up all good usage of propagation", ah! I think not.

"But I call this a group of "PATIENT OPERATORS" who will stand in line and agree to PATIENTLY WAIT for their turn to speak!"

Yes, I agree they wait in line to talk but patient, NO. They are worse than a contester because where a contestor needs to act fast and agressive to get the contact is the sport. Net guys know you are there on a non contest period and RUDELY and ARROGANTLY QRM. In fact once again we see that more times than there are contests, because there's more NET operating than there are contests. I think you missed that in all the posts before you gave us your opinion.

"but you don't hear Nets saying "move to the WARC BANDS when we hold our Net"

What a load of crap, and you know it! You clearly missed the whole point and valid points from many. NCO's either warn a net is going to begin then just start on top of a QSO, or give give no warnings at all. Another thing NCO's will do is just move 1Khz +/- of frequency that is in use to QRM. Best one is when they make believe they don't hear you. Even with all the check in's none of them will stop the NCO because they what the frequency. REDICULOUS!

I've also heard which is common from NETS or rag chew groups "Well, we've been here for 30 years, so you move". Another, "This is the County Hunters Net and we meet here every day so now you've been warned", or "Get used to it". WHAT! Who gave them the any any more right than the casual operator. Best one is when they make believe they don't hear you and take check in's. A tactic that eventually becomes too over whelming for the two rag chewer's.

"who all meet on ONE FREQUENCY in an ORDERLY MANNER!"

Yes, I will agree to that but once again you are clearly using a tactic to divert attention from the problem at hand. Not to mention using contesting as a diversion. When you take the total NETS it's one frequency after the other, or every other instead of 3Khz.

Stop using diversions and answer the question. Your opinion has been repeated time and time again and my response similar. Now, I asked a question to another person which has not responded so I turn the question to you for an answer. Lets hear your opinion on that instead of your Woe is me, soap box opinion.

N5JHJ,

If someone proposed to NCO's to limit their nets to every other day, or 5 days a week giving the weekends a break so that others can enjoy other aspects of HF without bumping heads would that be to much too ask?

73!

N5JFJ on 2009-10-04
It is my Opinion...that it is a Good thing that these topics are branded right up front, as being exactly what they are "Personal Opinions!"

I also believe, and I think many other Amateur Operators may agree - that to walk into the Shack, turn the Rig on, and simply "ENJOY THIS HOBBY" is truly what the Hobby, was intended to be about.

As was mentioned in an earlier post: Imagine 25 to 50 to 75 or maybe more operators - who gather together (with a Net control Operator) and they willingly do so, in an "ORDERLY MANNER?" Which means most ALL are sitting there "PATIENTLY WAITING" on the same frequency, to add a comment to the Net (be it, whatever that may be) when their turn to speak is called out?

Call it whatever each opinion may be...But I call this a group of "PATIENT OPERATORS" who will stand in line and agree to PATIENTLY WAIT for their turn to speak!

Now, at the same time - this same 25 to 50 to 75 operators, while waiting to participate - are NOT scattered about the Band - which in simple fact allows MORE SPACE for other Operators to enjoy calling CQ, or chasing DX, whatever makes one happy!

A little research can produce information that many of these Nets have met together daily for years! Understanding that a good many of these Operators are our "ELDERS" who have CQDXed, Worked All States, and so on and, operated Ham Radio, for many years.

Am I saying that I should move...when I legally have the right to use the Frequency?
"NO" but I am saying it does not hurt me so terribly "if I am politely asked" if I would move down or up a little...So that many other operators, can possibly enjoy their Net...It's common sense that I know it's easier for a couple of us to move slightly than to move a larger group!

Here today, I read that someone has a GRIPE with people who gather together "WITH PATIENCE" who will all wait patiently for their turn...To speak, adding something to their Net! Personally (and many know it) I have far less patience, for operators who actually believe that because they are participating in a CONTEST this gives them some sort of right to operate in the most RUDE-UNRULY-UNCARING-RULE BREAKING MANNER-I have ever witnessed in ALL my years, in Ham Radio!

NO-NO...Wait a minute - I am NOT supposed to mention all of that "KRAP" that comes from some, WITH NO PATIENCE - Cmon now...I really gotta "PUKE with a GutFold" each time I read someone say that in the name of "RADIO SPORT" all of that KRAP, is somehow acceptable!!!

It's NOT even funny...but you don't hear Nets saying "move to the WARC BANDS when we hold our Net" or here's a real good one: "You should know that it's a Contest weekend so you shouldn't even operate, your station!" And one I am hearing even more these days? "If you are not in this CONTEST then I don't care to speak to you!"

Opinion? Yes...Just mine. Doesn't mean a thing! Someone has a problem with Operators - who all meet on ONE FREQUENCY in an ORDERLY MANNER! Wooooof...there's an ODOR with that!

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