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Will the new increased postal rates affect your sending paper QSL cards?
  Posted: Feb 19, 2012   (684 votes, 94 comments) by AI2IA

  I will stop sending them.
  I will send fewer cards...
  I use electronic methods i.e. LOTW/eQSL
  What? People still send paper cards? Through the mail?
  I'll use the bureau...
  I don't send QSL cards...
    (684 votes, 94 comments)

Survey Results
I will stop sending them. 4% (26)
I will send fewer cards... 28% (193)
I use electronic methods i.e. LOTW/eQSL 31% (215)
What? People still send paper cards? Through the mail? 5% (37)
I'll use the bureau... 13% (92)
I don't send QSL cards... 18% (121)

Survey Comments
I LIKE THE OLD WAY
It may cost more but you can't beat a nice QSL card tacked on the shack wall with the post mark.
I remember reading where one ham bragged he worked all 50 States and never sent out one card.
I QSL and I will take a E mail confirming my contacts.
BOB
AF2Q

Posted by AF2Q on May 3, 2012

No rant or anger, just a simple quesion
The simple question asks whether or not the new postal rates would affect your sending of paper QSL cards, so a place to answer "NO" would have been just common sense. There is no rant, rave, or anger on my part,old man. I would gladly put my grammatical ability against yours any day of the week, so don't try and talk "down" to me. I wrote for a living for thirty years, so there is little chance you could impress me.

Posted by WB4TJH on April 4, 2012

In A fit of anger, William said: "Steve...READ THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. It's right there in simple black and white. There could be NO confusion with a "NO" box. It doesn't ask anything other than how it would affect your sending PAPER QSL cards. PERIOD.It doesn't ask anything else." END QUOTE

I read the question, William. I've read all of the posts related to this poll. Your own post was poorly written and ambiguous.

The "simple 'no' box" you suggest is abiguous at best, and poorly written at worst.

Now calm down, grab a Xanax (or at least a cold beer), and try to recall some of your grade-school grammar before tossing the rant grenade again.

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 30, 2012

K4YZ--READ THE QUESTION
Steve...READ THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. It's right there in simple black and white. There could be NO confusion with a "NO" box. It doesn't ask anything other than how it would affect your sending PAPER QSL cards. PERIOD.It doesn't ask anything else.

Posted by WB4TJH on March 27, 2012

WB4TJH Said: "Where is the box for NO? This would have been an interesting poll if the author had used half a brain and included a "NO" answer. I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to leave it off." END QUOTE

In all fairness to the author, William, in what context would a "NO" response be to? "NO, I will not use electronic QSLing" or "NO, I will not change my paper QSLing practices"...?!?! It can be used either way.

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 14, 2012

Missed the obvious.
Where is the box for NO? This would have been an interesting poll if the author had used half a brain and included a "NO" answer. I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to leave it off.

Posted by WB4TJH on March 14, 2012

Latecomer KJ4PLN Offers: "I didn't see any offers to make up the survey to be done over. Granted there could have been a larger selection for choices. A lot of what I see is grousing because your choice was not there." END QUOTE

Hi Gail...It's not just a matter of "my choice" not being there, rather it's a matter of the poll not reflecting the true nature of QSLing. The absence of "no difference in my QSLing practices" grossly skews the true nature of the question. How can Ray say that the final outcome on "QSLing-vs-postal rates" was truly represented when he left out a lion's share of the respondants? The responses in the comments section alone is testament to that.

As for re-doing the poll, that would have to fall on the original author's shoulders and the indulgence of the poll moderator, VK5LA. Ray did not seem predisposed to correcting his error, and VK5LA was not forthcoming with an offer to add the recommended distractor.

And KJ4PLN Continues: "Here is going to be some ire directed at me; (I'm a newbie) The older call signs seem to vent more." END QUOTE

Since 1996 it's been possible for anyone to buy an "old" callsign if it's available, Gail. Someone with good research skills and excellent timing can own a 1x2 K or W call (ergo an 'older' call) with less than 30 days as a licensed Amateur...!

And to finish up: "Which starts me to wonder, are you one of the mind set of if it's not cw it's not Amateur Radio, if you don't/can't dip the meter it's not Amateur Radio, if you don't know code it's not Amateur Radio, or if you use the internet and or a computer it's not Amateur Radio.
Maybe I should crawl back under my rock NOT and be silent but I was raised that if you don't offer a solution then you really don't have much if any room to complain which makes you part of the problem." END QUOTE

This was not about the code/no code issue, nor the open test pools, etc. No one, least of all me, brought that up in any of the comments. It was strictly about the poorly constructed poll. I don't know what you were trying to reach for there, but I hope you didn't pull anything in the effort! =)

As for offering a suggestion to fix a problem rather than just groussing about it, I did...Add a distractor that fulfilled the need. It wasn't done.

73 and welcome to Amateur Radio!

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 13, 2012

No change, but does the pollster really give a rip about my answer?

Posted by KL2TC on March 12, 2012

Survey
I didn't see any offers to make up the survey to be done over. Granted there could have been a larger selection for choices. A lot of what I see is grousing because your choice was not there.
Here is going to be some ire directed at me; (I'm a newbie) The older call signs seem to vent more. Which starts me to wonder, are you one of the mind set of if it's not cw it's not Amateur Radio, if you don't/can't dip the meter it's not Amateur Radio, if you don't know code it's not Amateur Radio, or if you use the internet and or a computer it's not Amateur Radio.
Maybe I should crawl back under my rock NOT and be silent but I was raised that if you don't offer a solution then you really don't have much if any room to complain which makes you part of the problem.

Posted by KJ4PLN on March 12, 2012

AI2A's survey...
...had a record short run. That speaks for itself. Maybe next time he'll rethink his biases when creating one.

Posted by N3EG on March 8, 2012

It's Over, Ray! Take a Vacation!
AI2IA continues his fight: "Let me make that clear. I wrote the survey, and I donít care about that. It is irrelevant to me. Now for all of those to whom this is of dire importance, I say, go conduct your own survey and include in it what you wish. If you do it by my survey, then you must abide by the choices I have given you. There is nothing else you can do. Why does this bother you? Look at how many contributors will not be sending out QSL cards regardless of cost. So far, with 647 votes, at least 64% will not be sending out QSL cards the way you say you are sending them, that is, regardless of cost. Doesnít that tell you something?" END QUOTE

What it tells me is that you tried to play Russian Roullette with a loaded pistol, Ray. Those numbers, absent a distractor that accomodated folks who still like QSLing are meaningless!

And Ray finished up: "I am delighted with this entertaining little survey. Why do you let it drive you nuts?" END QUOTE

It doesn't "drive me nuts", Ray. I've pointed out that your poll was grossly flawed as have most of the commentors to it.

Since you're pointing out percentages, The comments still run in the 90 percentile IN SUPPORT of QSLing and acknowledging that your poll, as proud of it as an 'entertainment" as you seem to be, was flawed.

Your 647 votes represent those who chose one distractor that as closely represented their opinion, clicked, and moved on. The "votes" that count the most to me are those who actually took the time to input some comment to the "debate". Those are the poeple who actually took the time to read what was going on and then take a position.

Now, if you re-did this poll with appropriate distractors that cover the gamut of QSLing, I'd be interested in that poll.

I hope you take this exercise as a learning tool, and don't make so grevious an error in the future, Ray. Don't think for a moment that the ability to just "say it and click send" means that no one is paying attention or will allow itto go unchallenged.

Adios

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 8, 2012

You're easily entertained
K4YZ and KI4SDY have nailed it.

Posted by NI0C on March 7, 2012

postage
this will not effect me...you needed one more option to your question..

Posted by K1LLR on March 7, 2012

It's not your survey.
Some highly opinionated individuals just wonít let go of their favorite bias. Like the monkey with his hand in the coconut, they will not get the value out of it because they insist on having things their way. For an entertainment survey, this behavior is absurd.

I put this survey together for my purposes. The fact that it was selected to be placed here was based on its merit as determined by someone else, not me. There is no compelling reason why I should have included a choice for those who would keep sending QSLs regardless of cost. I assure you that all who would fall in that category would quickly stop sending QSL cards when the cost reached $100 per card. Only the insane would continue. So, I donít care who would continue sending cards regardless of cost.

Let me make that clear. I wrote the survey, and I donít care about that. It is irrelevant to me. Now for all of those to whom this is of dire importance, I say, go conduct your own survey and include in it what you wish. If you do it by my survey, then you must abide by the choices I have given you. There is nothing else you can do. Why does this bother you? Look at how many contributors will not be sending out QSL cards regardless of cost. So far, with 647 votes, at least 64% will not be sending out QSL cards the way you say you are sending them, that is, regardless of cost. Doesnít that tell you something?

I am delighted with this entertaining little survey. Why do you let it drive you nuts?

Posted by AI2IA on March 7, 2012

The Poll Is Flawed, Ray. It Really is THAT Simple!
AI2IA said: "What drives an individual like K4YZ to make malicious statements about the author of a simple entertainment survey?" END QUOTE

There's nothing malicious about the truth, Ray. YOU screwed up this poll, and judging by the overwhelming comments in support of that fact ought to be a red flag to you, but you just keep digging in deeper.

Now, AI2IA opens the conspriacy theory avenue:: "Does K4YZ have some vested interest in a QSL printing company, and or does he feel that the survey is a threat to the profits of his friend? END QUOTE

Nope...Not a dime. I just don't find anything "entertaining" about this poll. It was grossly flawed from "day one", and continues to be. More and more folks are commenting that you didn't include them in the poll, ergo the poll is flawed and irrelevent.

Ray continues: "How can a little entertainment survey on QSL postal rates harm such a business? I doubt that QSL card printers are that insecure, but maybe a few of their admirers are worried about a trend that might show up in even so trivial a thing as an eHam survery. It is amazing how some individuals can blow something up out of all proportions." END QUOTE

Because, Ray, you didn't account for or allow persons who DO continue to QSL and may or will in the future to enter into the equation. YOU wanted to see one specific answer, and the poll was authored in such a way as to give you that answer. How can you say this is about "QSL postal rates" when you ignore those who choose to continue sending them...?!?!?! That's like asking someone to select a pet dog from a copy of "Cat Fancy"...

I have no doubt that, at some time in the future, we may see an end to paper QSLing altogether. The FACTS, however, are that a very significant number of Amateurs continue the tradition even today, and no amount of Orwellian mind bending changes that.

As I said, Ray, you may very well be right that in the future QSLing will disappear. But TODAY, QSLing remains a very honored and appreciated aspect of Amateur Radio.

It would seem to me that YOU are the one fishing for the trend, hoping that you can win the $5 bet I am sure that you have going with someone on the side about QSLing. It's easy to prove a point when you ignore those who ARE sending and elect to continue sending QSL cards!

I'm sure you're a nice guy, Ray, and we'd probably have a few laughs over a couple of 807s. But that doesn't change the fact that this poll is flawed and therefore the numbers are in error.

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 7, 2012

QSL & Postal rates
LOTW, Eqsl, Bureau, or direct, I enjoy them all. I also agree there should have been a "No change in how I QSL" as an option.

Posted by W5JBO on March 7, 2012

QSL
I havn't seen a IRC in some time do they still exist?

Posted by KA1OCL on March 6, 2012

Overly protective?
What drives an individual like K4YZ to make malicious statements about the author of a simple entertainment survey?

Does K4YZ have some vested interest in a QSL printing company, and or does he feel that the survey is a threat to the profits of his friend?

How can a little entertainment survey on QSL postal rates harm such a business? I doubt that QSL card printers are that insecure, but maybe a few of their admirers are worried about a trend that might show up in even so trivial a thing as an eHam survery. It is amazing how some individuals can blow something up out of all proportions.

Posted by AI2IA on March 6, 2012

AI2IA tried to worm his way oiut from his mistakes by..."This entertainment survey is about the effect of increased postal rates on sending QSL cards, not about how stupid the author of this item may be. END QUOTE

Any by ignoring those who intend to continue to send paper QSLs, the poll is flawed and in error.

It's author wasn't stupid, just clumsy and narrow-minded. And almost all of the comments of the poll acknowledge the same thing.

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 6, 2012

Follow Your Own Advice First, Ray!
AI2IA Stated (misspellings included) (wihout doing his research)Ta, ta! You take the poll too seriously. Ejoy it. It does stimulate responses. Don't spend so much time on it. Call CQ instead. END QUOTE

In the last 90 days I've complete WAS on 40 CW, 30M CW, and I'm only 8 confirmations away from DXCC on 30M. I'd say there's enough CQ's in my logbook.

On the otherhand, since you brought it up, I did on-line log searches for AI2IA in some of the larger DX-pedititions..

Guess whose call ISN'T there...?!?!

I'd recommend that before rendering sage operating advice to others on eHam, Ray, that you take the leadership position as a role model, first. It lends you some credibility. Or you may take the time to read my article in the March 2011 QST. It was that antenna that I worked the aforementioned WAS and DXCC on...Brefoot.

What has Ray done, other than author a humiliating, flawed poll on eHam??

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on March 6, 2012

What?
I consider all QSLing to be a part of the
hobby. I will always QSL in whatever forms are
available. I'd rather cut back on station
equipment, then not QSL due to postage rates.
Paper QSL cards are a historic part of the
hobby.

Posted by KB2NGK on March 4, 2012

Defending the Undefendable!
"Sorry so many people apparently have violent and irrational reactions to this stuff."
This comment is exactly what the poster of the statement is complaining about, unfactual overreaction. Again, the biggest complainers are the biggest violators!

Obviously, what is needed here is survey moderation reform. The survey moderator should ensure the proposed survey actually provides for responses on both sides of the issue, before publishing it. Otherwise it is not a survey, but simply an editorial. Calling it a survey is a fraud.

The comment itself is about as relevant as the original slanted product.

Posted by KI4SDY on March 4, 2012

Really nothing to get worked up about, a survey of no actual consequence. Sorry so many people apparently have violent and irrational reactions to some of this stuff. Explains what I hear on the air sometimes.

Posted by W8AAZ on March 3, 2012

No.

I like paper QSL cards in the mail because using a computer may lead to a crash and loosing all the qsl's. Plus the ones in the mail can sometimes be unique and something to hang on the wall.

73
Ed
K4XXX

Posted by K4XXX on March 2, 2012

Won't change a thing
I have and will always send for those cards that I want and will use LOTW where I want a confirmation but don't care about a card.

Posted by N8UZE on March 1, 2012

Life is that way.
"I still can't believe the obvious "NO" answer is not on this survey. It's beyond stupid to leave it off.
Posted by WB4TJH on March 1, 2012"

This entertainment survey is about the effect of increased postal rates on sending QSL cards, not about how stupid the author of this item may be.

However, life is indeed strange in that I may be beyond stupid, and yet over the years I have been quite successful and rather happy. Isn't it odd that people who are beyond stupid can do so well, and in fact even find usefulness in their beyond stupid survey?

This turns out to be far more interesting and enjoyable to me than I thought it would be.

If the survey can make you feel good about yourself, well, I suppose that is good, too!
- Ray, AI2IA

Posted by AI2IA on March 1, 2012

Where's the "NO" answer?
I still can't believe the obvious "NO" answer is not on this survey. It's beyond stupid to leave it off.

Posted by WB4TJH on March 1, 2012

A pleasant surprise
"See, AI2IA...? There's a silver lining in EVERY dark cloud,
after all! Hi Hi

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ"

Yes, Eddy, it's a pleasant surprise! I find the bar graphs for choices two and three interesting and confirming of my hunches. This survey really isn't so bad. Hey, nobody is perfect. Also, the comments here are pretty much exempletive of the entire web site, with over all abundance of negative comments sprinkled just about everywhere. I think that most hams have a cheerful outlook, but that the cranky ones tend to congregate on eham.net. Perhaps a survey on that idea would be a good one. - Ray, AI2IA

Posted by AI2IA on March 1, 2012

Mama Mia...!!!
Wow...!

Judging by all of the negative & nasty feedback posted
here by the army of armchair survey writers who obviously
just "...know how to do it right", I suspect that OM
VK5LA's "IN" basket will be full to over-flowing with
suggestions for new topics, expertly written by the many
gurus who prefer to haunt this site, rather than actually
making QSOs that might require follow-up QSL'ing.

See, AI2IA...? There's a silver lining in EVERY dark cloud,
after all! Hi Hi

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


Posted by VE3CUI on March 1, 2012

The poll is a bit skewed in its questions. There should have been more choices for answers. Some of us use LoTW, Bureau, direct and even Eqsl or any combination of those.

Posted by N9AVY on February 29, 2012

Hello? Who writes this stuff?
This survey ranks right up there with:

Do you still beat your wife? ___Y ___N


Terry, WØFM

Posted by W0FM on February 29, 2012

Enjoy the survey.
"As of the time I write this, there are 38 unique original comments (not counting replies and counter-replies). Of those 38, only three don't object to or favor the poll.

That represents 92.1% of the commentors disagreeing with the character of your work. That's pretty dismal.

"Considering that number only represents those of us who took the time to write in the comments as opposed to those who just tried to shoehorn themselves in to one of the distractors, I wonder how many just ignored it all together since their opinion wasn't represented...???"

Steve, K4YZ

Ta, ta! You take the poll too seriously. Ejoy it. It does stimulate responses. Don't spend so much time on it. Call CQ instead.

Ray, AI2IA

Posted by AI2IA on February 29, 2012

I would vote "no change" in my operations.
That should have been an option. Sam W8VVE

Posted by W8VVE on February 29, 2012

QSL
My preferred choice was not listed either - I send them out and I receive them back, no change. I use the buro, direct mail and managers. I decided to be cute and used the "What? People still send paper cards? Through the mail?" option.

I am an old timer and really enjoy having the real QSL in my hot little hand. I would hate to see the end of real QSL Cards. Just my two cents worth.

73,
Trent

Posted by WB0HZL on February 29, 2012

AI2IA Said: As I see it, ultimately everyone who sends paper will eventually send fewer cards. No matter how much you may prefer them, the world economy will not allow you to send all of them you would like to send.
With each passing year (perhaps, month?) electronic forms of QSL are becoming the better alternative. No army can stop an idea whose time had come. - AI2IA

And you may very well be right...But until that day comes, your poll is flawed. The simple fact that there are more QSL manufacturers (and even D-I-Y QSL programs for home computers) today than twenty years ago says tons about folks continuing the tradition!

As of the time I write this, there are 38 unique original comments (not counting replies and counter-replies). Of those 38, only three don't object to or favor the poll.

That represents 92.1% of the commentors disagreeing with the character of your work. That's pretty dismal.

Considering that number only represents those of us who took the time to write in the comments as opposed to those who just tried to shoehorn themselves in to one of the distractors, I wonder how many just ignored it all together since their opinion wasn't represented...???

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 28, 2012

NK7Z Said: "Thanks for posting the survey... The results were interesting. I have been attempting to move away from paper QSL, so I am glad to see the LOTW picking up!"

Without a distractor to determine what percentage of folks use/continue to send hard QSLs, the results are innaccurate.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 28, 2012

AI2IA Said: "I am the author of this entertaining survey, and you have made it even more entertaining by reading into it your political bias. END QUOTE

Why shouldn't he? YOU wrote the "poll" in such a way as to ensure that it favored YOUR political bias! You intentionally weighted the results by "ignoring" all those who intend to continue sending paper QSL cards.

You got caught, you got called on it, and now you're trying to wiggle out from under it by alledging "it was just for fun!"

AI2IA Continues: "No I am not a Socialist, never was, never will be. I am a life-long political and economic Conservative - anti-collectivist, anti-utopian, and anti-authoritarian. END QUOTE

Can't tell by the way you try to manipulate opinion by weighting the poll. Seems pretty soicialist to me (read "1984" lately?)

And finally, we close with "Can't you folks ever take things with amusement? Must you always put your ego into it? Chill out. It is supposed to be fun! - AI2IA END QUOTE

Some of us just get so (explitive deleted) tired of being lied to and manipulated by the media and some government knobs, then we start getting it from within our own ranks. It's not "fun" and it's not funny.

Guess it must be a learned trait.

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 28, 2012

Interesting results
Thanks for posting the survey... The results
were interesting. I have been attempting to
move away from paper QSL, so I am glad to see
the LOTW picking up!
Dave
http://www.nk7z.net

Posted by NK7Z on February 27, 2012

It's supposed to be fun.
"This survey looks like typical surveys that are provided by the Socialist News Media we have in this country, that are designed to alter public opinion and behavior for the interest of liberal political groups. They never give a choice that is in conflict with political correctness, as they view it." - KI4SDY

I am the author of this entertaining survey, and you have made it even more entertaining by reading into it your political bias.

We call this the intentional fallacy.

No I am not a Socialist, never was, never will be. I am a life-long political and economic Conservative - anti-collectivist, anti-utopian, and anti-authoritarian.

Can't you folks ever take things with amusement? Must you always put your ego into it? Chill out. It is supposed to be fun! - AI2IA

Posted by AI2IA on February 27, 2012

slanted survey
If you are going to present a survey, at least do it correctly.

Obviously "No change" should have been a survey
option.

I didn't vote in this survey because you don't have an entry for my response.

it looks like 54 had similar responses

Posted by KI7DG on February 27, 2012

No effect
I'm QRP, and don't make tons of contacts. At the level I'm QSLing, the price isn't that big of an impact.

I can't vote in this survey because you don't have an entry for my response.

-- Tom

Posted by KJ4FUU on February 27, 2012

Socialist Survey!
This survey looks like typical surveys that are provided by the Socialist News Media we have in this country, that are designed to alter public opinion and behavior for the interest of liberal political groups. They never give a choice that is in conflict with political correctness, as they view it.

I have always sent out QSL cards, whenever possible, by mail and will continue to do so. It is a fun tradition of the hobby that promotes friendship and goodwill worldwide! It also provides a measure of personal privacy.

Posted by KI4SDY on February 27, 2012

Seriously???
How about "I am not too much of a tightwad to really care
about a couple of extra cents."

Once again, a slanted survey. Almost as bad as the one
regarding eBay a while back ago, which just gave varying
degrees of discontent as possible responses.

If you are going to present a survey, at least do it correctly.

Posted by K6JPA on February 26, 2012

Postal Rate Change
The cost of postage will not change my QSL
habits. Send me a card, I send you a card.

Obviously "No change" should have been a survey
option.

Posted by W0NZG on February 26, 2012

I didn't vote
I didn't vote in this one because my response was not included as a a choice. I agree with those who characterized this as a flawed survey. Sorry, Ray.

Posted by NI0C on February 26, 2012

QSL $$$$
As an avid DXer I enjoy a card from that new country to fill
in a blank spot on the wall for the DXCC Honor Role and
do not care about the cost.

I do a lot of Qsling via the OQRS system (online QSL
request) & Club Log and usually make a donation to help
support the DExpeditions.

90% of my cards go out via the ARRL Buro and 100% via
LoTw

Posted by W7TG on February 26, 2012

Flawed Survey
So...where is the survey choice for those of us who will not let any price increase affect our QSL habits?

The survey was biased from the start.

Posted by KJ3P on February 26, 2012

Economics dictates
As I see it, ultimately everyone who sends paper will eventually send fewer cards. No matter how much you may prefer them, the world economy will not allow you to send all of them you would like to send.
With each passing year (perhaps, month?) electronic forms of QSL are becoming the better alternative. No army can stop an idea whose time had come. - AI2IA

Posted by AI2IA on February 25, 2012

Paper is outdated
As you can read on my QRZ.com page I will not reply to bureau QSL's any more. I prefer LotW or eQSL (only when authenticated). For those that want something to hold and look at: my web site offers a downloadable individualised QSL based on my on line logbook.
But I still receive direct QSL's... and reply when there is a SAE and sufficient $$ or an IRC. Postal rates here in Australia are now AU$2.35 (about US$2.50)for overseas mail. Let's save money and stop paper
QSL's. The "I am too old" excuse is BS: if you can operate a radio you can operate a computer and participate in LotW and if you cannot keep up with the times you should take up another hobby.

Posted by VK2GWK on February 25, 2012

Skewed question
W7AIT: DITTO

Possible answeres seem very bias,is there a possible political motive here?

Posted by W1JKA on February 25, 2012

QSL
I concur with W2UIS.
I use LBotW as well as eQSL but I really like having those special paper QSLs in my collection.

Posted by N2EIK on February 25, 2012

QSL Cards
I enjoy collecting QSL cards regardless of postal rates.

Posted by W2UIS on February 25, 2012

Hard copy
The trouble will start when your DVD has aged or your USB stick drops bits or your HD fails. What is not common knowledge is that digital storage has a life of about 10 years on most media. Compare that to paper based media, thousands of years. Should it happen one day an electromagnetic pulse will take out most electronic media. I'll stick with QSL cards I can look at from 30 years ago thanks.
ZL4IV

Posted by ZL4IV on February 25, 2012

Hard copy
The trouble will start when your DVD has aged or your USB stick drops bits or your HD fails. What is not common knowledge is that digital storage has a life of about 10 years on most media. Compare that to paper based media, thousands of years. Should it happen one day an electromagnetic pulse will take out most electronic media. I'll stick with QSL cards I can look at from 30 years ago thanks.
ZL4IV

Posted by ZL4IV on February 24, 2012

QSL
I really would like to use the ARRL system however I am to old and have downloaded it. Yet have not figured out how to make it work. So think I will forget about things like WAS amd stay with eQSL.

Posted by W7KO on February 24, 2012

Mailing QSL Cards
Some Ops just don't use LoTW. e-QSL does not count for DXCC's so if it is country I need for an award, I will use the mail system. Even that is not certain. Many countries, the mail services lack integrity and are corrup or very expensive, like Germany. 3 Green stanps required. Well after making a trip to the grocery store, the cost to mail a QSL is a bargain!

Posted by NQ4A on February 24, 2012

Oh Please...
Dudes, it's just a poll...sheesh!

Posted by VK5LA on February 23, 2012

Will the new increased postal rates affect your sending paper QSL cards?
with answers like these Im not going to answer any more !KI0Z

Posted by KI0Z on February 23, 2012

TOTALLY BOGUS SURVEY!!!!
What a about -

I will still send paper cards at the same rate

as a choice!

Wait, I get it, this is geared towards LOTW and eQSL. This survey is what is referred to in research circles as "Outcome Based" studies. In a "Outcome Based" study, the statement of work reads "Produce a study that proves that our product is the best" VS "Produce a study that compares our product to other similar products".

Posted by KG4RUL on February 23, 2012

Skewed negative
The choices are all negative!

What about still send the same?

What about send more?

Whoever did this survey question is an idiot and didn't present both side of the problem.

The real truth for me, a few more cents per card doesn't bother me and I will send just as many paper cards as before.

If you are so strapped for cash to squabble over a few cents per card on a frigging HOBBY, you got bigger problems!

Posted by W7AIT on February 23, 2012

QSL
No change in how I qsl. I always appreciated getting and sending cards. Thanks to all the fine hams who still believe in sending cards. If it ever gets too expensive,there`s always e-qsl.

Posted by NO2A on February 22, 2012

AI2IA Said: There is no sinister motive to this simple poll. If the undisclosed partial motive of the poll, aside from amusement, must be made known, then be informed that to the person suggesting this poll, the concerns of hams who just simply go on sending QSL cards year after year regardless of cost was simply considered not worth the inclusion of input. Who cares about people who just keep sending mail regardless of cost? END QUOTE

"...Who cares about people who just keep sending mail regardless of cost?" That sounds very condescending, dismissive and just plain rude, an insult to those Amateurs that you seemingly proactively ignored in the poll. And judging from the comments that have ensued since the inception of this "poll", that is a significant number of folks, it would seem.

And as for your suggestion of "...no sinister motive..." regarding the way you worded the poll, I take great exception to that. It's an unfortunate yet well documented fact that a great number of TRULY sinister things have occured in the course of human events predicated on the hopes by a few that some portion of our society didn't notice seemingly innocent acts that were allowed to pass unchallenged. How many offensive acts have been tolerated with the disclaimer of "It was just a joke..."

This poll shold not have seen the light of day without AT LEAST an "Other: Add Comment" distractor or "No change in how I QSL" in order to cover all of the bases. Had you done that, no doubt all of the comments following would have just been a whizzin' contest about postal rates. Instead, you got an apparently well deserved redressing.

Now...that having been said, you made a mistake, it's been addressed, I doubt you'll be as careless in the future. Time to move on...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

AI2IA Said: There is no sinister motive to this simple poll. If the undisclosed partial motive of the poll, aside from amusement, must be made known, then be informed that to the person suggesting this poll, the concerns of hams who just simply go on sending QSL cards year after year regardless of cost was simply considered not worth the inclusion of input. Who cares about people who just keep sending mail regardless of cost? END QUOTE

"...Who cares about people who just keep sending mail regardless of cost?" That sounds very condescending, dismissive and just plain rude, an insult to those Amateurs that you seemingly proactively ignored in the poll. And judging from the comments that have ensued since the inception of this "poll", that is a significant number of folks, it would seem.

And as for your suggestion of "...no sinister motive..." regarding the way you worded the poll, I take great exception to that. It's an unfortunate yet well documented fact that a great number of TRULY sinister things have occured in the course of human events predicated on the hopes by a few that some portion of our society didn't notice seemingly innocent acts that were allowed to pass unchallenged. How many offensive acts have been tolerated with the disclaimer of "It was just a joke..."

This poll shold not have seen the light of day without AT LEAST an "Other: Add Comment" distractor or "No change in how I QSL" in order to cover all of the bases. Had you done that, no doubt all of the comments following would have just been a whizzin' contest about postal rates. Instead, you got an apparently well deserved redressing.

Now...that having been said, you made a mistake, it's been addressed, I doubt you'll be as careless in the future. Time to move on...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

VE3CUI Said: "If you don't like these polls, then why do you bother to
participate in them...? ENDQUOTE

I participate in 80% or better of the polls without comment. Their detractors make sense and are reasonable.

But when you have a poll whose challenges ignore, or worse manipulate, a significant portion of the allegedly polled demographic, it warrants discussion with subsequent modification of the poll. This poll presumned to cover anyone who participates in QSL'ing. It did nothing of the sort. Every comment in this thread except for you and AI2IA (go figure) realize it.

VE3CUI Continues: "Better still, if you have an idea worthy of seeing the light
of day by way of a forum like this, why don't you submit it to manager VK5LA...? END QUOTE

Already ahead of you, Sparky.

And VE3CUI Wraps it up with: "I'm sure we could all only benefit from seeing such
"perfection in action" first-hand...!" END QUOTE

I have no doubt you could benefit from a great many things, but you'll need to find those things for yourself...I doubt your answers are in this forum.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

QSL Always
I enjoy collecting and shall continue to exchange cards. A great hobby and that is a part I have enjoyed since my days of Short Wave Listening and getting cards from BC stations.

Posted by KK7XE on February 22, 2012

My choice was Missing: No effect
I'll continue to send cards out... It would seem purdent to include one more option which would to include a very large group of hams who like to send and receive QSL cards. Just repost the question with a change.

Posted by N6BOB on February 22, 2012

My choice was Missing: No effect
I'll continue to send cards out... It would seem purdent to include one more option which would to include a very large group of hams who like to send and receive QSL cards. Just repost the question with a change.

Posted by N6BOB on February 22, 2012

Begging the question
"But when you have a poll whose challenges ignore, or worse manipulate, a significant portion of the allegedly polled demographic, it warrants discussion with subsequent modification of the poll. This poll presumned to cover anyone who participates in QSL'ing. It did nothing of the sort." -K4YZ

These "polls" are entertainment. They are for amusement only - not to be taken seriously. They are not suggested by poll or statistical experts. Where does it say that this poll was intended to include ALL hams who send QSL cards? Nowhere. How does this entertainment only poll ignore or manipulate a polled "demographic"?

There is no sinister motive to this simple poll. If the undisclosed partial motive of the poll, aside from amusement, must be made known, then be informed that to the person suggesting this poll, the concerns of hams who just simply go on sending QSL cards year after year regardless of cost was simply considered not worth the inclusion of input. Who cares about people who just keep sending mail regardless of cost? If you find that critically important for entertainment purposes, then submit your own survey, and if the editors deem it worthy, they will include it. Chill out, this is just a entertainment and curiousity item. Better yet, just get on the air and call CQ. More people including yourself will benefit from that. I am not writing this sarcastically. Loosen up. Have fun. It is a mole hill, not a mountain. - ai2ia

Posted by AI2IA on February 22, 2012

VE3CUI Said: "If you don't like these polls, then why do you bother to
participate in them...? ENDQUOTE

I participate in 80% or better of the polls without comment. Their detractors make sense and are reasonable.

But when you have a poll whose challenges ignore, or worse manipulate, a significant portion of the allegedly polled demographic, it warrants discussion with subsequent modification of the poll. This poll presumned to cover anyone who participates in QSL'ing. It did nothing of the sort. Every comment in this thread except for you and AI2IA (go figure) realize it.

VE3CUI Continues: "Better still, if you have an idea worthy of seeing the light
of day by way of a forum like this, why don't you submit it to manager VK5LA...? END QUOTE

Already ahead of you, Sparky.

And VE3CUI Wraps it up with: "I'm sure we could all only benefit from seeing such
"perfection in action" first-hand...!" END QUOTE

I have no doubt you could benefit from a great many things, but you'll need to find those things for yourself...I doubt your answers are in this forum.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

No real substitute for paper QSL cards.
I agree that there should have been a box for "no change". If someone goes through the trouble of sending me a QSL card in the mail, I will send them one.

Perhaps I will use post card rates instead of putting the card into an envelope? Not sure how much money that would actually save.

For DX QSL's, I will continue to use the bureau, except for some really "rare" ones, which I will send direct or to the QSL manager.

I also use eQSL, which I will continue to use.

Posted by WA2DTW on February 22, 2012

It makes no difference!
I send between 10 to 40 qsl's a month ALL
oversea's. Postage rates wont make a bit of
difference to me at all. I also include
between 3$ and 5 $ for return postage.


You should have had a selection in the poll
of...

"It makes no difference"!

Nothing in the WORLD is as good as that RARE
card and a beautiful foreign stamp on the
return envelope!

Ernie / W4HLN

Posted by W4HLN on February 22, 2012

Note To K4YZ
Hi Steve,

If you don't like these polls, then why do you bother to
participate in them...?

Better still, if you have an idea worthy of seeing the light
of day by way of a forum like this, why don't you submit it
to manager VK5LA...?

I'm sure we could all only benefit from seeing such
"perfection in action" first-hand...!

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

Posted by VE3CUI on February 22, 2012

Note To K4YZ
Hi Steve,

If you don't like these polls, then why do you bother to
participate in them...?

Better still, if you have an idea worthy of seeing the light
of day by way of a forum like this, why don't you submit it
to manager VK5LA...?

I'm sure we could all only benefit from seeing such
"perfection in action" first-hand...!

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

Posted by VE3CUI on February 22, 2012

AI2IA Says: "Note well: This is a carefully designed and scientifically based survey."

By who? 'Larry the Cable Guy'...?!?!?

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

AI2IA Says: "The number of hams who will continue to send out QSL cards just as if the cost was never increased will be darn few indeed!"

Yeah...uh-huh...Just like all the people who said they were gonna quit smoking once Lucky Strikes went over $2.00/pk, quit driving when gas hit $2.00/gal, or stop eating fast food when Big Macs went over $2.00ea.

There's more QSL manufacturers now that there was when I got my ticket in '72.

If domestic stamps ever hit $1.00 a peice for a 1 oz letter, I'll reconsider doing eQsl or LTW...Until then, I'll keep KB3IFH busy from time to time.....

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

VE3CUI Says: "Alright-alright---maybe the wording of the survey question could have been different, but the point is still
there..."

No Sir, the "point" remains INVALID as long as the "No Change" or similar distractor remains absent from the "poll". It's not possible to accurately assess QSLing practices without it.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 22, 2012

Postage
Poor survey. I didn't vote. Postage is still a good deal. Will send QSLs always.

Posted by N5SWE on February 21, 2012

I'll keep sending???
Where is the I will keep sending as usual. If I get one, I return one and vice versa. Call me old fashioned but I still enjoy sending and receiving.

Posted by W3END on February 21, 2012

Defective Survey
Sorry to offend the originator but as others have already stated the choices were stated such that there was no option to choose "I will QSL just as I have done prior to the postal rate increase" or some other words to that effect. So, the results will be skewed. Will this mean the end of the world? No, but face the fact that this was a poorly done survey and thus an opportunity to improve the choices in a new, corrected survey.

Posted by K1HC on February 21, 2012

Hardcopy QSLs
If someone sends me a QSL card or requests one I'll happily send one. Otherwise it's LoTW & eQSL for me.

Posted by KB9TMP on February 21, 2012

Poor Survey Choses
My answer is NO. I will send QSL cards just like I always did.


Joe N9VX

Posted by N9VX on February 21, 2012

Nonsense
The number of hams who will continue to send out QSL cards just as if the cost was never increased will be darn few indeed! Since most hams can do simple arithmetic, once sending out a pack of ten or more, the new rate will soon be seen as making a significant dent in their wallets, and they will downwardly adjust their output accordingly.

What's the big beef about not having a slot for these big spenders?

You guys strain out the gnat and swallow the camel. Is this "survey" really so critical in your life? Oy!

Posted by AI2IA on February 21, 2012

the Point Is STILL Made, IMHO...
Alright-alright---maybe the wording of the survey
question could have been different, but the point is still
there...

Personally, I QSL 100% via the bureau anymore. The higher
postal costs are a pain, to be sure, but in doses of the
maybe 1 or 2 batches of cards that I indulge myself in re.
the mailing of my cards to the outgoing bureau of The
Radio Amateurs of Canada, I think I can handle it..! Hi Hi

Postal costs are an obscenity anymore---at least here in
Canada. Some 4-5 years ago, or so, I sold a 60's edition
of the ARRL "Radio Amateur's Handbook" via eBay to a
fellow in the continental USA for five bucks. When he
balked at the $15.00 postage cost to have it delivered, I
took the book over to the local UPS store, and guess
what...? IT was STILL around fifteen bucks!

The would be buyer thought I was scamming him, but I
assured him otherwise...and then we mutually agreed to
scrap the deal entirely...

Now, fast forward to 2012: I snail-mailed a copy of the
1948 ARRL "Handbook" to a friend of mine in Michigan---
the cost? TWENTY-SEVEN DOLLARS!!!

It just keeps going from bad, to worse. Not TOO many
years ago, such an item would have probably have been
mailed via the "Small Packet Delivery" category, for less
than $5.00...

"TIME MARCHES ON...!"

~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

Posted by VE3CUI on February 21, 2012

Bad Survey
Like the others....where was the option for NO? It won't affect my QSLing by mail.

Posted by AE6YB on February 20, 2012

A critical survey - pun?
Note well: This is a carefully designed and scientifically based survey. Think, if you can, before participating. Don't spontaneously reply. Please realize that your input and the results of this survey may some day appear in the Congressional Record, may be used by the FCC or the U.S. Postal Service to impact national and international mail, or even included in doctoral dissertations written about psychotic amateur radio operators.

This survey may actually be one of those events that alter and illuminate amateur radio forever, so take great satisfaction in your carefully made choice and your erudite imput. Of course, these events may not happen, but then again it does give you your moment to possibly make a significant intellectual contribution, or at least console one who might share your profound views. Laugh and world laughs with you. Cry and you cry alone. - ai2ia

Posted by AI2IA on February 20, 2012

VERY, VERY POORLY thought out. The survey needs the very obvious NO box. Leaving this very simple answer possibility out was stupid.

Posted by WB4TJH on February 20, 2012

poor survey
It will not change how I qsl at all but this
is not an option. The results will not be meaningful.

Posted by WS4Y on February 20, 2012

QSL Cards
This is a pretty bad "survey"...lop-sided to be sure...like "direct" ought to just fade away. W7XU stated it simply. For instance electronic QSL methods are to QSO comfirmation what cell phone text messaging is to ham radio itself. Modern yes. End all beat all QSL method, not even close. For some of us the bureau dosen't work either.

There's nothing like going to the old mail box and finding that QSL card you've been waiting for from an exotic place with it's unusual postage and post marks. The cool cards from different towns, countries, continents and cultures and all the crazy call signs. Something you can hold in your hand. For me it's not just for a check mark on an awards list, etc. Maybe it was only an interesting conversation or a killer contact with some place you never thought your station could reach. Just like our hobby. We work that DX station with that magical signal coming from that far off exotic place...point to point, no cell tower, no internet...just pure RF in the air tickling the antennas. That's the excitement our "wireless" hobby. Especially when it comes to DX. Direct QSLing extends that excitement.

I'm not bagging on electronic confirmation and other methods...use what's best for you, but there's just nothing like getting that direct physical card that represents your QSO. We should never write off the direct physical QSL card method which this "survey" sadly did other than to say "I'll stop sending them".

Just my view. I love sending and getting my own cards. It's worth the postage and effort to me.

So, my answer: No change in how I QSL. (Thx W7XU)

73,

Ed, WE7H

Posted by WE7H on February 20, 2012

That's correct, this will not be a good
representation of the current ham QSL
practices.

I for one do not initiate paper QSL cards as
after 36 years I have quite a few. I do use
LoTW and religiously respond to any card sent
to me as the final courtesy of one fellow ham
to another is to respond if he/she is sent a
QSL card.

73,
de WY4J

Posted by WY4J on February 20, 2012


This is a poorly prepared poll. No options for "It Will Not Affect My QSLing Practices" or words to that effect are provided, therefore it's impossible to gain a valid poll.

Scrap it and try again.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Posted by K4YZ on February 20, 2012

Agree with W7XU

Posted by KB9WQJ on February 20, 2012

postal rates
I TOTALLY agree with W7XU....I didn't vote because this survey, like some others is lopsided or biased...
N5TSH

Posted by N5TSH on February 20, 2012

I send as many as I always have but I use OQRS as often as I can and LoTW for bands and modes like always.

With more and more people using LoTW the QSL chore has been greatly reduced and one of the best things to happen to QSLing ever.

Posted by N0AZZ on February 20, 2012

"No change in how I QSL" should have been included as an option.

Posted by W7XU on February 19, 2012

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