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Have you ever been the victim of a scam? Ham radio related or otherwise?
  Posted: Jan 07, 2014   (861 votes, 51 comments) by VK5LA

  Yes...Lowlife scum!
  Yes...but I've never told anyone...
  Yes...and I reported the Douche bag concerned
  No...but very nearly...wised up at the last minute...
  No...You have to get up pretty early to catch this little black duck...
  A fool and his money are soon parted!
    (861 votes, 51 comments)

Survey Results
Yes...Lowlife scum! 22% (189)
Yes...but I've never told anyone... 3% (23)
Yes...and I reported the Douche bag concerned 11% (95)
No...but very nearly...wised up at the last minute... 20% (175)
No...You have to get up pretty early to catch this little black duck... 30% (255)
A fool and his money are soon parted! 14% (124)

Survey Comments
Counterfeit payment
RECEIVED TWO 1000 DOLLAR MONEY ORDERS. MY BANK WELLS FARGO, FOUND OUT THEY WERE BAD, DIDNT SHIP RADIO. GOT LUCKY

Posted by KC7NYI on January 23, 2014

I hear this is more common than most know. Don't ship until your payment clears!!

Posted by KJ4RWH on September 2, 2014

I was scammed
I was looking for a 2 meter all mode base and found one on the classified section of a popular website know for it's forums. The price should've tipped me off. The listing was only 20 minutes old when I wrote to the ad poster. I asked for a photo of the rig with his license in front of it. He said he was 70 years old and camera's confused him. We went back and forth on the emails and he was there to answer rather quickly until I funded the purchase via paypal. At that point he never answered any emails and I decided to phone him from the call sign lookup. The Ham answered and said his call sign had been hijacked and used in 3 other sales that he was aware of. Ultimately, paypal refunded my purchase. I'll never let a request for proof slip by again.

Posted by KJ4RWH on September 2, 2014

Delusional people
People who claim they're too smart to be scammed, or those who
allude to such folly, always make me laugh because these people
are at best delusional. Just because they haven't been stung YET
in no way means they are somehow above it. What's even funnier
are those who say they're too smart to get scammed but in reality
have been but are too macho or too prideful to admit it. Even the
smartest people on the planet can be scammed at any given time.
It isn't always about how smart you are, or rather, how smart you
*think* you are. While there is a certain level of alertness and
common sense people should always exercise when buying online
merchandise, the fact you haven't yet been scammed in no way
means you're magically immune from it. But hey, whatever you
gotta tell yourself...

Posted by KE4RWS on April 12, 2014

Terminal
Years ago...when I first got on packet...I bought a new
PK232MBX....at the OKC Hamfest.....I found a used
terminal....the guy I bought it from...insisted that he had
used it with his TNC......
No way It ever worked....it could not be configured for
the right communications settings.....
I guess he really needed 25 bucks....

Posted by WA5YOM on February 11, 2014

He was a neighbor
and, he worked at the same company as I did. I offered my TA-33JR, as he was a SWLer and really wanted it. We agreed on $100. He gave me $25 and said "the rest on my next pay-day". I said OK, after all, it was my department that generated the checks (I/T). A few days after that pay day I asked him for the $75 balance and he replied "we agreed on a price of $25"!!!

Posted by K9KUZ on February 9, 2014

Scam and Scum
Wait until you have the product and it works
before you pay.
Read the ebay rating before you buy.
Don't spend a lot at a hamfest. Often times
the seller has no idea if his product even
works and what it does.
There are people who are scum, evil and douche
bags. There are also people who are really
A$$wholes. Sometimes they are hard to pick
out so beware.

Posted by N4MBN on February 8, 2014

Bait & Switch
Once bought a FT101-E on E-BAY paid good $$ and shipping . when unit arrived it was just thrown in box with foam peanuts had damage on outside case .Also finals were loose driver was broken and whole radio needed a going thru . Called seller and was told NOTHING wrong with radio and started running Bible quotes Sent it out for repairs cost almost as much as I paid in begining . Now very careful who I do buisness with on E-BAY.

Posted by KB1RUV on February 8, 2014

VIRGIN EARS?
Since when did everybody develop an acute case of "VIRGIN EARS"? We pay to hear WORST than this on cable and in the movies.

Posted by N9LCD on February 8, 2014

Low Life Scum
I sold an HT to a ham who was wheel chair bound. Hand
delivered it to him, and accepted his personal check. He
told me to hold the check for two days. I did, cashed it it
did not go through, and he skipped town!!! This
happened several years ago. God Bless him, I forgive
him.

Posted by W9OD on February 3, 2014

Low Life Scum
I sold an HT to a ham who was wheel chair bound. Hand
delivered it to him, and accepted his personal check. He
told me to hold the check for two days. I did, cashed it it
did not go through, and he skipped town!!! This
happened several years ago. God Bless him, I forgive
him.

Posted by W9OD on February 3, 2014

My career is in finance and many years ago a banker
came up with this line while we were having lunch:

"Trust no one accept your Mother but if you lend her
money , have her sign for it."

Posted by K1PJR on February 2, 2014

ScumBags
Bought a Ten Tec Jupiter from a fellow ham. Says he bought it new and hardly ever used it and he was no longer operating. Had the "box and all accessory's it came with". It took him about a month to ship it (said he was wheelchair bound and was waiting for family members to come by and give him ride to PO. Finally received it after many phone calls and emails. It was pretty beat up looking - the box was a homemade box with Ten Tec logo and Jupiter logo copied and taped to the outside (all accessory's was a partial copy of the owners manual). The radio didn't power up. I called the guy he basically told me I was full of dogdidit that the radio was perfect when he shipped it and I was trying to do the old switcharoo (his word not mine) on him and he hung up on me. Sent the radio in to Ten Tec and it cost me close to $200 to put it back to operating condition. The Ten Tec story is another one in and of itself.

Dan - NB1C

Posted by KI4YZE on January 31, 2014

Please Be My Elmer
Above is a take off on Mr. Rogers' famous quote. But who I ran into was neither a good neighbor nor a good ham, not the type I've known

throughout 48 years of hamming. This confidence man so infuriated me that I gave up the hobby for 2 years. Playing on ones emotions as they

relate to ones dreams (in my case an antenna that I've dreamed of for years) is the lowest form of selfishness and deciet. Under the guise

of being his Elmer, his mentor, he gained my confidence and made off with a lot of money. But more importantly it's the loss of

confidence that was once implicit in dealing with any self respecting ham. Hardly was it one of our brothers or sisters who would have

the audacity to rip off another member of our great fraternity. Call me an OF, but I remeber a time that it was inconcienable that one of our

fellow brothers or sisters would be so deceitful and uncaring. On the contrary, your Elmer was who set a good example of what a true

ham is all about. No one is proud to admit they've been had, but so be it, education is expensive. O yea, he abandoned the job and I

never did see my dream realised. I'm back and maybe this time around my dream will come to fruition, I sure hope so. One thing that

unites all criminals is the inability to feel any responsibility for their actions, absolutely no sense of remorse. When one can become an

Extra class in one sitting with less than 6 months in the hobby, we've truly entered a new era - the era of dumbing down virtually

everything. Once one had to be a ham for 2 years before you would even be considered experienced enough to attain the highest class

of operator, the Extra class. Now with the 11M interlopers taking over, their mentality and behavior will be the death, or at least the

diminution of quality of a once proud avocation. Cavaet emptor. 73 de Walt - K2WK

Posted by K2WK on January 28, 2014

Please Be My Elmer
Above is a take off on Mr. Rogers' famous quote. But who I ran into was neither a good neighbor nor a good ham, not the type I've known

throughout 48 years of hamming. This confidence man so infuriated me that I gave up the hobby for 2 years. Playing on ones emotions as they

relate to ones dreams (in my case an antenna that I've dreamed of for years) is the lowest form of selfishness and deciet. Under the guise

of being his Elmer, his mentor, he gained my confidence and made off with a lot of money. But more importantly it's the loss of

confidence that was once implicit in dealing with any self respecting ham. Hardly was it one of our brothers or sisters who would have

the audacity to rip off another member of our great fraternity. Call me an OF, but I remeber a time that it was inconcienable that one of our

fellow brothers or sisters would be so deceitful and uncaring. On the contrary, your Elmer was who set a good example of what a true

ham is all about. No one is proud to admit they've been had, but so be it, education is expensive. O yea, he abandoned the job and I

never did see my dream realised. I'm back and maybe this time around my dream will come to fruition, I sure hope so. One thing that

unites all criminals is the inability to feel any responsibility for their actions, absolutely no sense of remorse. When one can become an

Extra class in one sitting with less than 6 months in the hobby, we've truly entered a new era - the era of dumbing down virtually

everything. Once one had to be a ham for 2 years before you would even be considered experienced enough to attain the highest class

of operator, the Extra class. Now with the 11M interlopers taking over, their mentality and behavior will be the death, or at least the

diminution of quality of a once proud avocation. Cavaet emptor. 73 de Walt - K2WK

Posted by K2WK on January 28, 2014

Scope
As a Neophyte flea marketer I purchased a Philips Oscilloscope at the Dayton Hamvention.
The Vendor swore up and down it had just come back from the "Cal Labs" (southern accent)
The B Channel had circuit board had been worked on by a butcher. Removing the sold bridges and replacing one dead surface mount transistor fixed that.
The Mains trigger was dead too. Problem was a old tubular type opto-isolator that is not longer a available.
A 2N26 mounted upside down epoxied into place and changing a few resistors fixed that.
Now unless it can be demoed I assume it needs repairs and only pay accordingly.
Trust once lost is hard thing to regain.

Posted by VE3GCX on January 26, 2014

Hamfest Ripoff
I was scammed by a amateur selling stuff at a hamfest. I was sold a broken auto tuner passed off as working. I did power it up at the sale, but with a auto tuner, you really need to have it in use to really exercise the circuitry. This particular unit from Alpha Delta needed a new ADC/cpu which was not available any more. Glad I was only out $75.

Posted by AD0AR on January 25, 2014

Food for Thought
As a writer, it is important not only to think about what you
say, but how you say it. To communicate effectively, it is not
enough to have well organized ideas expressed in complete
and coherent sentences and paragraphs. One must also think
about the style, tone and clarity of his/her writing, and adapt
these elements to the reading audience. Again, analyzing
one's audience and purpose is the key to writing
effectiveness. In order to choose the most effective language,
the writer must consider the objective of the document, the
context in which it is being written, and who will be reading
it.

Effective language is: (1) concrete and specific, not vague and
abstract; (2) concise, not verbose; (3) familiar, not obscure;
(4) precise and clear, not inaccurate or ambiguous; (5)
constructive, not destructive; and (6) appropriately formal.

Posted by K7XFM on January 24, 2014

BAD MONEY ORDERS
RECEIVED TWO 1000 DOLLAR MONEY ORDERS. MY BANK WELLS FARGO, FOUND OUT THEY WERE BAD, DIDNT SHIP RADIO. GOT LUCKY

Posted by KC7NYI on January 23, 2014

Sellers Getting Scammed
I'm always a bit dumbfounded when I see a posting by someone saying they were scammed when they sold something and the funds never arrived, check bounced etc. Why on earth would anyone ship an item before payment was clear? I dislike scammers as much as the next guy, but I can't really feel sorry for anyone that does something silly like shipping before the money clears. As for buying I always use a payment service so I have recourse if the item doesn't show up. Also a lot of the scams are revealed right here on eHam and the methods used by scammers really don't vary much. Readup about the scams and act accordingly!

Posted by K6HR on January 23, 2014

My Fathers Advice.
As a young man of 23 my Father said to me nothing
should leave your left hand until something is put into
your right hand. That solid advice has kept me from
getting scammed on numerous occasions.

Posted by KD8MJR on January 15, 2014

Scam
Bought mfj tuner from scamer and sent $$ to the friggin theif. Never came, email box was full, always had excuse for it not being shipped out. Finally, call Detive bureru, in his city. Officer knew him personally and found he was selling things from fathers shack, but never shipping. OM was madder than hell. Had check in my hands within a week! Don't know what happened to him, but I bet it was not pretty

Posted by K8TS on January 15, 2014

The same all around.
Why go back to CB radio when you have all the
same knuckleheads right here on eHam.

Posted by KG4CLD on January 15, 2014

Tasteles Words
Political Correcttness in my words should be made uncostitutional

Posted by KB9LXM on January 15, 2014

Tasteless Words Used
I was poking fun at the 1st post....hell..I don't care what words you use...lol
I kinda liked the as!ho&e one...ha!

Posted by KT4WO on January 15, 2014

good experiences, mostly
I've bought and sold a lot of equipment
online over the years. I've never had a
serious issue buying, or selling. One thing
I try to do is stick with "known" sellers. I
will pay a few dollars more for an item if I
have done business with the seller before...

I have been burned on several hamfest
purchases in the past, however. There are
cheats and crooks all over.

In the end all you can do is be careful, do
your research, and most importantly, if it
sounds too good to be true.... It always
is...

73 & GL,
Dan

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Indiana. EM78el
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list!

Posted by K9ZF on January 14, 2014

Bogus Cashier's Check
While I wasn't ever scammed by anyone in the ham world I was conned out of two expensive pieces of audio gear by a guy who sent me a bogus cashier's check AND a prepaid UPS label so I could have the gear picked up by UPS the following day. He contacted me after my Ebay auction ended and claimed he just missed bidding and offered to send me a USPS MO and a UPS label. While he failed to pay the way we had agreed, the check looked good and I fell for the scam hook, line and sinker, unfortunately. Although I filed a police report which was sent to the police where the gear was shipped to (Ft. Worth) nothing ever came of it. At least my bank didn't prosecute me which I found out after I deposited it that they could have! Lesson well-learned!

Posted by NH7RO on January 14, 2014

Beware of Postal Money Orders
Purchased SM220 from a ham in Michigan. He
wanted money order only. Sent it, he cashed
it and I never got item. Contacted postal
inspectors and this was their comment "prove
he did not mail it to you" and "this is less
than $5000 and we only pursue claims over that
amount". What rang true to me was that YOU
have to prove the guy did not mail it. How are
you going to do that? PayPal Only from now
on. Learned my lesson the hard way.

Posted by KJ4AUQ on January 14, 2014

Beware of Postal Money Orders
Purchased SM220 from a ham in Michigan. He
wanted money order only. Sent it, he cashed
it and I never got item. Contacted postal
inspectors and this was their comment "prove
he did not mail it to you" and "this is less
than $5000 and we only pursue claims over that
amount". What rang true to me was that YOU
have to prove the guy did not mail it. How are
you going to do that? PayPal Only from now
on. Learned my lesson the hard way.

Posted by KJ4AUQ on January 14, 2014

ebay ripoff
Sold this bum my vintage Drake transceiver. Help
pulled my final tubes and shipped it back claiming he
received the radio damaged. He was insulting besides
being a thief. He replaced my finals with his own
worthless tubes.

Posted by WZ1E on January 14, 2014

Oh Please!!!
I'm amazed at the fact that some of you are
offended by the terms "Douche Bag" and "lowlife
scum"...I'd be real interested in hearing what
the alternatives should be...
I was going to put more appropriate words like
A$$H0L3 and others but I thought id better tame
it down!!! I'll now know to keep the survey
language SUPER conservative so as not to offend
those with nothing better to bitch about!!!

Posted by VK5LA on January 13, 2014

Did, and almost did
Bought a 2 mtr. rig when I first became a ham, and was assured it would work all my area's repeaters, but turned out that it would not. Wasn't tone (CTCSS) capable.

Years later I was going to purchase from a now well known dubious radio business--until I researched that business and found the many, many bad reports about how they operated, with their double dealings and probable shill bidding on their now defunct E-Bay site. I don't have to say that businesses name now, do I?

Posted by K1CJS on January 13, 2014

If you want the language in this poll changed, plese send money to: Ham Email Polls, PO BOX 86, Okuma, Nigeria 00419. Include your bank account number.

Posted by N3EG on January 12, 2014

I choose "other"
Yes. I have been the victim of a scam/ripoff. A few times. Twice from hamfest sellers who proclaimed the virtues of what they were selling. One item, according to the fellow I had check it out, had so much wrong with it that there's no way it "deteriorated while I was driving home with it" as the seller claimed. The other one, turns out the seller simply did not know how to test anything and probably had never plugged it in.

Via the internet, I've had some things not as they ought to have been, but the sellers took them back...I was out shipping, though.

But overall, as life goes, things go bad on you from time to time. So, I see nobody involved as scum, douches or anything else evil.

- k

Posted by KASSY on January 12, 2014

$15,000000
I am waiting on my $15,000000 fund that I was just
notified about by an official of the central bank of
Nigeria. I sent him the $500.00. That he requested VIA
Western Onion to process the transfer and I should have
the money very, very shortly. I can't wait. I didn't even
know that I knew anyone in Nigeria until I got this email
from him. WOW! ......................NOT!

Posted by KA3NXN on January 12, 2014

To those that are offended I can't begin to
tell you what I think, so I won't.

Posted by N1JGE on January 12, 2014

Words?
Is everyone taking offense at Douche bag? Get over yourselves

Posted by W7WQ on January 11, 2014

ripoff
PayPal is a savior for both buyer and seller.
Tom, k5bm

Posted by K5BM on January 10, 2014

Appropriate Language
Maybe the choice of words boils down to simply being an
"Aussie"-type of thing...?

Who knows. I won't let it bother me here---just a sign of the
times, I s'pose...

Posted by VE3CUI on January 10, 2014

Could have been stated differently
I agree with the other comments. The subject matter of this survey is a good one, but I would have worded the response choices more appropriately and tastefully.

Posted by KK9H on January 10, 2014

WOW
And this was posted BY the Forum Manager.
Funny how eHam censors others when their
panties get in a bunch, but when they themselves
publish something like this...makes one really
lament the passing of decency in radio.

Posted by KB2HSH on January 10, 2014

As for the terminology in the survey, I am seeing a decline in language all across the net. I am starting to see this sort of stuff in even "news" stories on Yahoo, both in headlines and in story texts. Well for most of us it degrades credibility, but maybe not to street kids coming up.

Posted by W8AAZ on January 10, 2014

Got ripped off on ebay for a 100$ radio once. I decided to "work with the seller" as ebay endorses and ended up holding the bag. Expensive lesson, I no longer cut them enough slack to get away with it. BTW it turned out to be his last ebay "sale" anyway.

Posted by W8AAZ on January 10, 2014

Non-PC and Unclear
This poll could have been conducted more effectively with better clarity and without dodgy terms. After waiting what seems like forever for a new poll to be posted here, it is disappointing to see one worded with what somebody must think is trendy language, not a heck of a lot better than the current viral video of a toddler cussing a blue streak while adults laugh. We don't have to be stodgy, but this is right up there with embarrassing Facebook posts - I probably won't be hiring the author ...

Posted by K4IQT on January 10, 2014

C'mon
Everyone lighten up and teke a chill pill.

P

Posted by KA4KOE on January 10, 2014

More tasteless words
I like the question but I object to the use of the words
black duck. It is tasteless and offensive That kind of stuff
should never get beyond the CB bands. Shame on
whomever decided to publish those words on this web
page.

Posted by VK5LA on January 10, 2014

Almost got took one time out of a hundred but it was a MFJ TNC....Shouldnt have had high expectations to start with ROFL!

I like the question but I object to the use of the words
SUB HUMAN. It is tasteless and offensive. That kind of
stuff should never get beyond the American Political system. Shame on
whomever decided to publish those words on this web
page.

Posted by W4HLN on January 9, 2014

It's been said...you cant cheat an honest man.

Posted by W7WQ on January 9, 2014

eHam can do better.
Radio communication requires quality speech and word choice.

Posted by AI2IA on January 9, 2014

Tasteless Words
I agree with the two above comments regarding
tasteless speech. The sub-human carbon life
forms that try to scam people should be
prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but
nobody has the desire or energy to do so ...
as a result all of us suffer the extra work
and suspicion of fellow hams.

Although the rude description well fits the
scammers, we don't need to lower ourselves to
their levels ... their upbringing doesn't
need to be reflected in our speech.

Their mothers must be so proud.

H

Posted by VE7AZC on January 9, 2014

Tasteless Words Used
I like the question but I object to the use of the words
Lowlife scum. It is tasteless and offensive. That kind of
stuff should never get beyond the CB bands. Shame on
whomever decided to publish those words on this web
page.

Posted by KT4WO on January 9, 2014

Tasteless Words Used
I like the question but I object to the use of the words
Douche bag. It is tasteless and offensive. That kind of
stuff should never get beyond the CB bands. Shame on
whomever decided to publish those words on this web
page.

Posted by K7NSW on January 8, 2014

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