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Do you feel that today's modern Amateur Transceiver should include a USB interface for rig control, PTT and the like as well as an isolated, line level audio in and out jacks as standard? - Especially on a HF capable rig?
Posted: Jan 17, 2007 (1779 votes, 63 comments) by VK5LA

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Yes!	84% (1487)
No!	6% (100)
Optional...	11% (192)

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USB, of course
RS-232 is caveman. Ethernet is another no brainer. They all should have firmware updates to. Source code should be wide open for anyone smart enough to improve it. N1KK Posted by N1KK on May 21, 2007
YES
It's a no brainer if ya ask me. When most of today's new laptops are not equiped with serial 9 pin rs-232 yet that is what you need to interface to your laptop, then you have to buy a serial to USB adapter. Yuck. If everything else in the free world is USB and Bluetooth these days, why can't the radio manufacturers wake up and do it on the new rigs? Posted by KC0RBX on February 26, 2007
Who pays for all this junk?
While we're at it, I would like a minute timer on there too so my eggs don't get overcooked while I'm on the radio in the morning. This stuff is all well and good, but let those that want the extra features pay for them in the way of an OPTION! Radios are too damn expensive as it is, I don't want to pay for MORE bells and whistles that I will never use, particularly HF. The ricebox radios have already priced themselves out of MY market and I refuse to pay the equivalent of a good used car for something I will use once or twice a month. All of you that are so willing to spend someone else's money on options that YOU want should just spend YOUR OWN money on an option or aftermarket accessory. Posted by KB5DPE on February 23, 2007
USB Bluetooth
USB absolutely Blue tooth absolutely How about just include a inexpensive processor 486 whatever embedded with Linux... Wireless keyboard and mouse Posted by KC0YEF on February 6, 2007
balanced mic input
Don't forget this too. Posted by AC8DC on February 1, 2007
Soundcard
USB Port is absolutely required. I also would like to have an USB Soundcard integrated in the Transceicer, so that with one USB Connection the complete Controll and audio Interfacing to the computer can be established. 73 Edgar DF5EY / DR5D Posted by DF5EY on January 30, 2007
PC in TRX?
IC-7800 runs RTOS and FTDX-9000 runs Linux. 73 Oba JA7UDE Posted by JA7UDE on January 29, 2007
Why Stop at USB?
At the falling prices of PC equipment, why not shove the whole PC in there? Add the external USB for the hard drive or, better yet, have an Ethernet connection to get to an external network storage device. When a top-end radio costs $5000 plus and a PC is 10% of that, you could certainly put a properly designed board inside the radio. Posted by NZ3O on January 29, 2007
SURE
I would like transceivers to have a USB port, Yes. I guess the manufacturers are reluctant to equip a transceiver with USB simply because of the cost. Many recent microcontrollers have a built in USB host macro. I believe future transceivers will be adopting USB. 73 Oba JA7UDE Posted by JA7UDE on January 29, 2007
Ethernet as well.
Posted by LA1SJA on January 28, 2007
indeed need...
PC now so usable as phone. Posted by UR5RQA on January 28, 2007
About time....
Rig control via USB port should be available on ALL transceivers of all Bands from 160m to the 70cm /"440 MHz" Band. The radios can be programmed on-the-go or right at home in the ham-shack. This relieves the hand from constantly pushing the DTMF pad or constantly turning the large dial on the HF radio. The Icom V8000 is a good example of being programmed by a computer even though it is through the RJ45 Modular jack in front used for mic and packet applications. It's good for entering the repeater frequencies if you're going on a trip somewhere and don't want to spend time writing down the frequencies and PL/DCS tones. You can save a profile of the radio to your specs. That's all. Anyway, good responses by those here. 73s de KD4ADV Posted by KD4ADV on January 27, 2007
what else?
as a satellite fan i need a radio with sound card interface TNC USB port pre amp rotator interface downconverter or vhf ,uhf, 1.2 ghz, 2.4ghz bands all mode what else......?? 73 Posted by ST2NH on January 25, 2007
I would poy up
"How many of you would actually be willing to PAY $30-50 dollars for a USB port? Posted by W9WHE-II on January 23, 2007" Where do I send the check! Posted by KG4RUL on January 25, 2007
Usb what?
I have been trying to buy a few different 60's/70's radios on ebay but I don't think its going to happen. The prices being paid for old tube radios is unreal. Considering this phenomenon, I would say there are many hams who don't want solid state much less USB in their radios including me. Simple is better. Alex.... Posted by SSB on January 24, 2007
it cost near to nothing
what's so difficult or expensive about putting a pair of isolation transformers and a pair of opto-coupler along with few resistors and diodes! Look at any soundcard / digital modes interface - it is worth less $20 in parts from Rat-shack. It will be even less expensive for a big company like icom or yaesu to do it. If you pay over $3k for a radio you would expect some sort of computer connectivity besides the cat interface. A device like SignalLink USB which also includes sound card would probably cost around $20-30 if it is part of the radio and I am willing to pay to save for the inconvenience of extra devices and interconnections. Posted by KB1FZA on January 23, 2007
USB Sound Card
Why not put a sound card in the radio? Then also have USB and ethernet. Best of all worlds. Posted by W0MAF on January 23, 2007
USB ports
How many of you would actually be willing to PAY $30-50 dollars for a USB port? Posted by W9WHE-II on January 23, 2007
The future
Ten-Tec introduced this receiver with BOTH RS232 and TCP/IP. The best of both world... => http://radio.tentec.com/Commercial/RX400 Posted by WI7B on January 23, 2007
Yes, Plus...
TCP/IP connectivity. One company is now just introducing such a radio. Posted by KE6PID on January 23, 2007
Either net port
Sorry guys but USB ports are just too slow. To do any serious work why just not include a 10/100/1000 bit/s either net port instead (like the IC-7800). Use standard TCP/IP, giving the ability to give low latency data exchange and 'real time' band scope data among other things. Just imagine the performance of a SDR radio if you remove most of the latency between the computer and radio. USB interfaces are useful, but hardly the be all end all data port. Craig - N7UQA Posted by N7UQA on January 23, 2007
Still need Serial Port
Even if a rig supplied a USB interface, it would still need a serial port. USB device drivers written for one operating system don't generally work on other OSes. (Many don't seem to work very well on any OS.) USB is nowhere near as reliable as serial connections either. I read a lot of posts on advice of how to get a USB device to work with a computer that it was previously working with: "plug it into different ports to see if it will work on another one", "plug it in after you have rebooted", "don't put it on the same controller as the scanner", "plug it into the port on the keyboard because it gets power before the others", "power it on before the printer." Of course, older OSes and machines don't support USB at all. I find it kind of funny that many USB devices that work on both the Mac and Windows require a device driver to be installed on the Windows OS, but not on the Mac OS. Of course, there are many that don't support anything but some versions of Windows. Most devices that have USB connections do not have hosts, so they couldn't connect to a client USB interface on the rig. (You wouldn't want your rig to be a host because you couldn't connect it to a PC.) For instance, a Palm has a serial to USB cable to connect to a computer; it is a client connection, not a host one. So a palm couldn't talk to the rig via its USB cable. You can pretty much tell that a USB device doesn't have a host if you can plug it into a PC and have it talk. (There's a limit of one host per bus.) Have you ever tried to plug your USB cell phone to your USB camera or GPS? I think it's a good idea to leave the USB devices to other companies to support. Look at West Mountain's Radio's Data Jack plug & play: "Custom Windows driver pre-installation for painless plug & play installation. Windows 98SE and higher." I'd rather have companies specializing in the interfaces trying to adapt their code to Vista, Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris, .... I just love Microsoft's term "Plug and Play" shorthand for "install software, reboot, Plug, configure, test, reinstall, reboot, re-plug, ..., and Play, for a while. 73 Randy - KG4JIX Posted by KG4JIX on January 22, 2007
USB Ports
I honestly believe, as a person who has a masters in software engineering and 40 plus years in systems, all radios should have a minimum of 2USB 2.0 ports and one Firewire port. Firewire would be preferred as there are inherently less problems than with USB. The industry still doesn't have USB working right. Posted by AD7AB on January 22, 2007
USB Port Plus!
USB port would be a great addition to today's tranceivers, but even more important, where is the Ethernet port? We need a definable TCP/IP address for remote control. Both ICOM and Yeasu's top units have a Ethernet ports but thier software does not yet enable them for our use. Whats the problem here? Posted by N7IS on January 21, 2007
USB rig interface
Not only for control, but with USB2.0 you could even handle audio in and out. PSK with never getting an out of adjustment analog signal. It could reduce the number of WWIIDDEE signals on PSK. My 2 cents. 73, JP, K8AG Posted by K8AG on January 21, 2007
USB port etc.
I own a Tentec Jupiter which is a computer controlled rig. Having several USB ports to install accessories would be great. But not necessary. It would enable direct connection of an outboard computer for slowscan, DIGTRX, and other digital modes with no fiddling around at transmit and receive levels over analog interfaces. I say "GO FOR IT!" ps: I also own a Kenwood TS530S and an old TS520 so I am all set in case the Jupiter decides to point its toes to the sky. 73 de w8nsi Posted by W8NSI on January 21, 2007

I'm with WA3YAY. Why hasn't anyone come out with a mobile FM rig, for example, with Bluetooth and VOX capability? I would like to see USB for HF rigs, though. Bluetooth doesn't hold much advantage for a fixed station rig. Posted by K4JF on January 21, 2007
USB
I'd like to see a USB port on the next handheld (or desktop) radio I buy. I already have USB on my cell phone, camera, and GPS. My notebook PC does not have an RS-232 port, which I consider good riddance. The downside to USB (I think) is that it requires a sort of licensing, which complicates homebrewing. Posted by AB5XZ on January 21, 2007
And on it goes...
Technology moves forward like a freight train. Forget the USB. On with the Bluetooth. Posted by WA3YAY on January 20, 2007
Beer tap...
Don't forget the beer tap and reservoir for the brew. Good grief! I've already got to take out the manual just to turn the dam thing on! 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Posted by WA8MEA on January 20, 2007
SDR
Software will take over, integration of computer technology, DSP etc IS taken over and thats OK with me! 73 de PE1NPG, Jean-Pierre Posted by PE1NPG on January 20, 2007
Ethernet preferred
A "systems-oriented" HF/VHF radio should,at least as an option, be equipped with an Ethernet interface and embedded TCP/IP stack for both "rig control" and audio/traffic. Further, it would be highly advantageous if some kind of industry standard regarding remote control protocols and "Voice over IP" handling could evolve. 73/ Karl-Arne SM0AOM Posted by SM0AOM on January 20, 2007
And More...
I love the idea of line level in/out and USB but also XLR mic inputs, and while we are all dreaming here, how about digital audio modes like the AOR unit built in? Posted by W6PMR on January 19, 2007
Say what?
How much crap do you want to put on a radio? How about an auto-ice maker too! Maybe a keep-warm plate on top? Lets take all the fun out of radio and make it talk for us too! Your radio can talk to my radio, transfer QSL's thru the World Log Book and we could be doing more productive things, like watching TV. MOst don't take their HF rigs out fishing with them, but they love buying the ones with Fish Finders on them. Got no problem with interfacing a computer to a radio to play digital modes, but lets keep some fun in it. 73 de W4LGH - Alan http://www.w4lgh.com Posted by W4LGH on January 19, 2007
Say what?
How much crap do you want to put on a radio? How about an auto-ice maker too! Maybe a keep-warm plate on top? Lets take all the fun out of radio and make it talk for us too! Your radio can talk to my radio, transfer QSL's thru the World Log Book and we could be doing more productive things, like watching TV. MOst don't take their HF rigs out fishing with them, but they love buying the ones with Fish Finders on them. Got no problem with interfacing a computer to a radio to play digital modes, but lets keep some fun in it. 73 de W4LGH - Alan http://www.w4lgh.com Posted by W4LGH on January 19, 2007
USB are not communication ports
I think alot of folks seems to believe that USB ports are similar to serial ports, only faster. They're certianly more prevalent on new PCs. USB is a high-speed bus that is based on twisted pairs. The PC acts as host, enumerating the type of connections ( e.g., interrupt, isochronous, etc.) for the devices connected to its bus through USB cables. Communication ports (serial ports) work through a UART device that buffers and translates (parallel-to-serial) between two devices or PCs. You can make a "null modem" for communication ports that can directly connect two PCS with a serial cable. On the other hand, you cannot make a direct connections using a USB cable between to PCs. You need to buffer, or bridge the two PCs. Many amateur transceivers are, in effect, specialized PCs with dedicated CPUs, I/Os, and memory. It is not a simple matter of replacing a serial connector with a USB. You need to bridge the transceiver to the PC as if it were another PC (That's the so-called "USB =>Serial" cable you can buy. Its not really "USB =>Serial", but an USB bridge). Of course, this takes further engineering and cost on the part of the transceiver manufacturers. It's a competitive market. Where high speed data transfer is needed in in the VHF/UHF not HF range. Perhaps those are the most likely first USB ported transceivers. 73, ---* Ken Posted by WI7B on January 19, 2007
Sure
Let's add more features to the appliance for the modern appliance operator who doesn't know how to build a simple keying circuit with an optoisolator or how to wire up an isolation transformer. Shoot, I'm starting to sound like an old fart already and I've only been a ham for a few years. Seriously, though, whatever the traffic will bear, whatever the market demands, I guess. I paid $8.95 for the USB->serial cable that does rig control from my laptop. Sounds like Yaesu or Icom could add one and add $100 or more to the cost of the rig, easy. Same with the PSK-RTTY interface. I built mine with assorted Radio Shack and junkbox parts. Some people pay big bucks for a Rigblaster because their time is worth more to them than money. The thing I like about old-style serial ports is they're easy to interface. You're just bringing a line high or low. USB is a black box to me. Posted by K0RFD on January 19, 2007
Not necessarily...
AI2IA wrote: >All eggs in one basket While it would be nice to have the capability of these additions, there is a case to be made for having a ham transceiver that can be used without having recourse to a computer. Yes, computers give hams tremendous advantages, but you get the feeling that the skill of using a rig is to some degree out of your personal control. Computers are such things that you must always keep the ability to function without them. You never know when they will cease to function for one reason or another.< ::I agree with this, but simply having a USB port on a rig doesn't mean the rig requires a computer to operate, at all. USB can be used for a variety of purposes, just as previous serial and parallel ports were. It's just a skinnier (than parallel) cable with a cheap, small, easy-to-blind-plug connector (better than DB-9 commonly used for serial) that should afford "plug and play" accessorizing without better and easier than previous connectivity provided. If the "rig" has a video display as many "higher end" rigs do today, then by adding the firmware required, along with a USB port, you could make the rig "plug & play" for RTTY, PSK31 or other "keyboard" modes...plug in a keyboard and you're done. IC-7800 already has this feature, and others can't be far behind. CAT operation via USB is also cool. Not mandatory, but cool for those who wish to use it -- probably mostly contesters, or those setting up remotely controlled stations. If you don't wish to use it, don't. CAT doesn't mean the internal operating system of the rig is disabled; it's just another way to control the rig, especially useful for very "fast" operating, such as contesting. WB2WIK/6 Posted by WB2WIK on January 19, 2007

"Heck, I've already got USB... ...and LSB/CW/AM for that matter!" I like that! We also have FM, PM, MBA, MSW, BA, CB, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, USA, USSR...Oh Heck!! We also have UG Posted by URBANGORILLA on January 19, 2007
Keep in mind....
Keep in mind that while computers can go "sneakers up" at any point in time, the new transceivers have a computer (CPU) as well, and won't work worth a hill of beans if it decides to take a lunch break. Of course, if you have an old Collins KWM-1... then all bets are off :-) 73 de Mike Posted by KG6WLS on January 19, 2007
no USB
We don't need no Universal Cereal Box on ham equipment. UG Posted by URBANGORILLA on January 19, 2007
All eggs in one basket
While it would be nice to have the capability of these additions, there is a case to be made for having a ham transceiver that can be used without having recourse to a computer. Yes, computers give hams tremendous advantages, but you get the feeling that the skill of using a rig is to some degree out of your personal control. Computers are such things that you must always keep the ability to function without them. You never know when they will cease to function for one reason or another. Posted by AI2IA on January 19, 2007
There's other ways
I've been using Ham Radio Deluxe for rig control, PSK31, looging, DX cluster, etc. with a Saratoga interface with my IC 746PRO. The only USB that I need is on the computer itself. USB to serial, serial adapter to 1/8" two conductor plug to the CI-V remote jack control on the back of the rig. HRD will work with most of the newer rigs and it's a pretty cool program. http://hrd.ham-radio.ch/ 73 de Mike Posted by KG6WLS on January 19, 2007
USB
Heck, I've already got USB... ...and LSB/CW/AM for that matter! Posted by K7FD on January 19, 2007
for shure
Lets get out of the stone age.We need to attract more hams and this will help, and we need all the help that we can get.Lets keep this great hobby alive for a few more decades anyway VE1PGC Phil Posted by VE1PGC on January 18, 2007
Mini Din vs. USB
Never really understood the mini din connector concept on Yaesu rigs. Posted by KC8VWM on January 18, 2007
No computers in rig...
<Quote> Embeded PC with a user selectable OS. It honestly does not add that much to the cost when all things are considered. </Quote> I prefer that Icom, Yaesu, TenTec, and Kenwood (and whomever) DO NOT embed a computer with the OS of choice. I prefer my Mac laptop and I prefer to upgrade it without the interference of restrictions or limitations imposed by my rig. The best world of operating is having your MacBookPro sitting next to your mike and key when you operate. Of course, I have to live in a world of PCs but as a programmer this is just a small nuisance. Posted by K7PEH on January 18, 2007
Oh yeah
I agree 100%. They should make USB ports standard. And the line in/line out ports are a great idea as well. Instead, we're having to dish out extra $$$ to buy 3rd party equipment to do what we want to do. All these manufacturers are CRAMMING your entire shack into one box (ex: Kenwood TS-2000), yet leave out these features. RS-232 is OLD hat...USB is the new hat. Get with the program guys! Posted by KI4ABS on January 18, 2007
what about the Sienna?
http://www.dzkit.com Posted by KZ1X on January 17, 2007
USB Control
You can buy a mouse with USB for < $10 US. Other devices with USB can be even less. Granted the Radio interface for USB would be more complex but that is firmware on the radio and a documented command set for the host. The physical connection is cheap. The software side is really the main investment for the manufacturer. Parts in any volume at all have got to be <$10 (Mice and other PC USB devices would have higher volumes than radios) USB is standard on a lot of devices. Even DVR (digital video recorders ... TIVO) has USB ports. In their case it is a host port. Host functions can be added for probably $25 or less to a design (Cypress has a USB 2.0 host adapter with embedded 8051 controller). Posted by KG6KZV on January 17, 2007

A USB endpoint interface (meaning the radio is the slave, the PC is the host like all other peripherals) is very cheap to implement for the radio companies. I've said for several years this should be in all modern radios. Now, making the radio the USB host (like a PC) is a bigger deal and maybe not necessary, I don't know. The ham radio world is changing rapidly. I used to laugh at PCs running radios, now my PC runs two radios simulaneously while connected to the internet, etc, etc. Remember, parallel and serial ports are rapidly disappearing from PCs and most PCs Ethernet port is busy hooked up to the internet, USB is the future, the future is NOW. Don't like it? Don't do it! Posted by N4SL on January 17, 2007
TenTec
OMNI VII Posted by N3JBH on January 17, 2007

Yes, yes, and hell yes. And they should publish all information on how to control it, so that programs like Ham Radio Deluxe can control them. One of my biggest gripes is Yaesu not cooperating so that a memory manager can be implemented by the author of HRD. Posted by N3EG on January 17, 2007
USB Control
It is unconscionable for manufacturers to use a CPU inside the radio and not let it out of the box through either USB or Ethernet! I prefer Ethernet myself; but USB is acceptable so long as one can use standard PC software to effect the interface. Extra cost a problem - make it optional for extra cost. If you do make it optional, make sure it's field installable. Rig manufacturers should remember that they are marketing their stuff to mostly technologically savy folks. Ham radio rigs are not Kenwood Stereo receivers (as good as they are!!) and must be marketed to ham radio operators. Manufacturers - know thy customers!! Posted by WA3KVN on January 17, 2007
a bit too much
All this is a bit too much. Are we talking about ham radio here, or a computer and the Internet? Such features should be optional. I think the most popular feature would be a simple rig to soundcard interface to facilitate the use of PSK and some of the other digital modes on HF. Beyond that, like W9WHE said, "If you want to 'control' your ham radio with a computer, why not just buy a software defined radio?" I think the microphone should also be an option. Rigs always come with the cheapest mic imaginable. They're usually replaced with something better. So why pay for something most hams will likely never use? Rigs don't come with a code key, and rightfully so. If they did, it would probably be the cheapest piece of garbage going, like the mics they include in the box with the radio. Just about everything else is optional. How many modern rigs do you see with a power supply included? How about the external speaker? My IC-718 doesn't even have the carry handle on it. That too is an option. The mic that came with the 718 is a piece of garbage. I use the hand mic from an older IC-730. The dynamic powered microphone from the 730 works far better than the electret mic that came with the 718. Posted by AG4RQ on January 17, 2007
Of course
But I also think EVERY rig of any kind should have standard accessory I-Os using common and universal connectivity (besides USB), like RCA phono jacks. No reason in the world that hams should have to be fooling with miniature DIN connectors to connect amplifier key lines and ALC inputs. Ridiculous. And I further think the "dongle" coaxial connection found on many VHF mobile rigs is a horrendous choice. When the rig gets so small you can't mount a chassis-installed coaxial connector, at that point, it's officially too small. WB2WIK/6 Posted by WB2WIK on January 17, 2007
USB control
For all those that think a USB interface should be "standard" I ask.... HOW MNUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY? Posted by W9WHE-II on January 17, 2007
USB control
If you want to "control" your ham radio with a computer, why not just buy a software defined radio? Posted by W9WHE-II on January 17, 2007
And Ethernet too!
USB is OK for desktop use but the real requirement is to also have an Ethernet connection as well. That would make one box remote radio control a reality. There are only two radios today that can do that, the Ten Tec Omni VII and the FlexRadio SDR-1000. Posted by N9DG on January 17, 2007
Also add....
Embeded PC with a user selectable OS. It honestly does not add that much to the cost when all things are considered. Imigine, a complete shack in a box including a networked, embeded PC, power supply, tuner etc. J C S Posted by N4CQR on January 17, 2007
USB control
While one can still find plenty of old PC computers to use with one's station, the newer models are coming out with few of the old communications options. USB appears to be the standard these days with plug and play software. I can see a system where one could install a properly design software package and plug the transceiver into the USB port and have a full featured remote control system set up appear on the screen of the PC. One could implement one of the remote PC access system utilities and connect via an IP address enabling the transceiver to be remoted easily. Ken Posted by AE1X on January 17, 2007
ABSOLUTELY!
Posted by KG4RUL on January 17, 2007
Also add....
Embeded PC with a user selectable OS. It honestly does not add that much to the cost when all things are considered. Imigine, a complete shack in a box including a networked, embeded PC, power supply, tuner etc. J C S Posted by N4CQR on January 17, 2007

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