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Boring Contests
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The way contests are conducted are a real BORE.
No enjoyable communications... just HOURS and HOURS of meaningless bandwidth noise.
If contesting consisted of more than just gathering numbers and saying "next person", maybe it might be fun.
Please keep this TRASH contesting off the bands (it is like SPAM) Nothing intellectual or worthy of Amateur Radio as it was meant to be, comes from this Radio League contesting garbage.
Posted by
AL7EP
on August 31, 2007
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WARC Contesting? NO NO NO.
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Why spoil a WARC band with Contests, for one thing they are too small and for another, where will the guy with 100w + dipole do his DX'ing.
Amateur Radio is about communicating, making friends,that special bit of DX, not only contesting. Get a life.
Jim.
Posted by
G0GPK
on May 20, 2007
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No toWARC contesting
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I like to have these bands to operate on when there is contesting.Im not into contesting at all.
Posted by
WB9JOX
on May 9, 2007
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"NO NO NO NO NO
RAGCHEWING shouldn't be allowed anywhere! What a pain and a waste of band space.
73
Bill/W1WMP "
'nuff said.
Posted by
KI9A
on March 27, 2007
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contesting
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NO NO NO NO NO
It shouldn't be allowed anywhere! What a pain and a waste of band space.
73
Bill/W1WMP
Posted by
W1WMP
on March 18, 2007
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YES- But only on Channel 19 near the Interstate!
Seriously?
On the weekends, the "traditional bands" are awash with Contest stuff. the Rag chewers, Some nets and the Hams who just want to chat with a pal sperated by the miles have no other place to go than 17 meters really. 12 is hardly open, when it is it sounds like "habla 101". All the illegal CBs are using it (At least around my QTH and "down there" ) they think it's a party line. Can't stop em, You key down and yell CQ over them and then comes the whistles and Echo mikes at full blast.
No- We need the WARC BAND- 17 meters as it's the only safe haven for the folks who don't want to contest and don't have a snowball's chance in the hell created on the other bands.
I have many friends who live for the contests. I am not interested in it, Too crazy, too many people clamoring over each other. I want to enjoy some relaxing time, chat with a buddy or meet a new friend.
Besides, I feel bad hearing the guy ask me my QTH 10 times than tell me my report is 5-9...
Posted by
KB2SEO
on March 15, 2007
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CHOKE CHAIN
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Easy fellas.
PLANKEYE
Posted by
PLANKEYE
on March 3, 2007
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No to WARC Contesting
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absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by
KE4CCI
on February 25, 2007
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No to WARC Contesting
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absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by
KE4CCI
on February 25, 2007
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No to WARC Contesting
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absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by
KE4CCI
on February 25, 2007
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I must have hit a nerve
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If my comments bother you it must have been true. What I used was a euphemism. Pick another one; house burns down, first born kidnapped, car wrecked, etc. I just thought since the majority of contesters were males this would be more in line. Plus, I said CERTAIN contests, not all of them. Yes, keep off the WARC bands but, I don't use them. I prefer to talk to my friends on YOUR sacred contest bands because they don't have antennas for the WARC bands or propagation isn't good on them. I still say give the BIG contests there own dedicated band and let them go at it. This way they can enjoy there venue to the fullest.
Posted by
N0FQN
on February 22, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC bands
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I see some comments about letting the contesters use the WARC bands and the rest use the others. I's like to see the big guns out there operate at 100 watts CW on 30 meters. It would drive them up wall wanting to turn the Alpha or other amp on. I'd like to give the contesters there own band(to be determined) to contest on 24/7. Let them beat each other up contesting in, "My penis will fall off if I don't get the points contest". I've never seen so many come out of the woodwork during certain contests and extremely obsessed and rude about making points. I'll "play around" in a contest for maybe 30 minutes tops. Then it becomes boring. I got better things to do with my time.
Posted by
N0FQN
on February 20, 2007
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No Contesting on WARC or 20M
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Contesting is the biggest line of BS there is to ham radio. CQ contest, CQ contest, CQ contest.
This is ??5??? Your 57 in Oklahoma. Your report please. What in the world does anybody get out of that. Answer: Absolutely Nothing. So lets keep it off the WARC bands and expand the no contesting to include 20M as well.
Posted by
KA5ROW
on February 20, 2007
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Contests on WARC Bands
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These bands used to be thought of as 'the gentlemans bands'.
They are certainly less than that now, and started to become such within a few years after they were opened for use.
Contesting on them would quickly make them worse!
Posted by
WA6BFH
on February 19, 2007
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NO WAY
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Contester usually have the major HF bands every weekend, and no matter what mode it is usually spread out across the whole band.
Leave the WARC bands alone or as one said let the contesters have the WARC bands and give the others back to the Non-Contesters.
Posted by
WA8VBX
on February 19, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC
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You can flush ham radio down the toilet in one of two ways:
a) Open up the WARC bands to contesters; or b) dumb down the standards.
Posted by
W9WHE-II
on February 19, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC Bands
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Awards, yes
DXpeditions, ok
But I plead "no contest!"
Posted by
N0NV
on February 18, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC Bands
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Awards, yes
DXpeditions, ok
But I plead "no contest!"
Posted by
N0NV
on February 18, 2007
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YES!
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We need more room for contesting!
73 All
Posted by
K4BS
on February 18, 2007
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WARC-WANC
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I've got it! The ultimate challenge!
I call it WARC-WANC (Work All Non-Contesters). Pronounced "WARC WANK".
It's a contest in disquise, you have to work all the non contesters on the WARC bands without letting on it's a contest.
Only contesters who already know the secret handshake are allowed to enter, since the others don't know about our evil, hidden websites and human sacrifices.
Starts When? Well, if you don't already know, certainly you aren't a contester.
Posted by
N4SL
on February 18, 2007
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WARC Contesters - NO
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There has to be somewhere to go to get away from the overpowered paper chasers
Posted by
K1AVE
on February 17, 2007
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OH Mr. Thought Policeman,
May I be in the 1% that gets both re-education AND irradiation, please?
I supposed in that order would be best.
Remember: Time Listening Counts As Operating Time.
Posted by
N4SL
on February 17, 2007
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ATTENTION ALL HAMS
Your tin foil hats no longer protect you from our mind probe. Advanced technology can detect errant thought no matter how you try to suppress it. This is the only warning you shall receive. Violations will be punished to the fullest extent up to and including exposure to intense microwave radiation until your goose is cooked.
82% of you are safe, for now.
9% will be sent to a reeducation facility until you are deemed safe to return to Amateur Radio.
10% will be irradiated.
The Thought Police
Posted by
KB2VXA
on February 17, 2007
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Better idea
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Let the contesters ruin the WARC`s and leave the rest of the bands alone. Give the contesters 12,17 and 30 mtrs. to ruin and let the rest of us who don't care for that crap operate in peace.
Posted by
KE4ZHN
on February 17, 2007
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Amended Demand:
I DEMAND WE REQUIRE ALL HAMS TO CONTEST ON ALL BANDS IN ALL MODES DURING ALL OF THEIR OPERATING HOURS. LISTENING COUNTS AS OPERATING.
Posted by
N4SL
on February 17, 2007
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NO!
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"I DEMAND WE REQUIRE ALL HAMS TO CONTEST ON ALL BANDS IN ALL MODES AT ALL TIMES"
I have to go to work. Also my girlfriend, though very supportive of the hobby, might get upset.
Oh right, and there's the whole extended sleep deprivation thing.
Posted by
N3OX
on February 16, 2007
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I DEMAND WE REQUIRE ALL HAMS TO CONTEST ON ALL BANDS IN ALL MODES AT ALL TIMES.
Posted by
N4SL
on February 16, 2007
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No Code
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In responce to w4uuu, I do not think so and just like me I hate change but have to deal with it and keep my feelings to myself, you have touched a nerve here that may be hard to calm down. And no I do not feel that way I think it will improve things and who knows
maybe even get some new cw followers.
Posted by
KB5DOH
on February 15, 2007
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Flame Bait
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OK, this was flame bait if ever I saw it. You might as well ask "Paper or plastic".
I'm a contester, though by no definition would I be considered "hard core". I think the WARC bands are a reasonable compromise between contesters and non- to give those that don't partake in the fray a sanctuary.
Leave well enough alone.
Posted by
WO5I
on February 15, 2007
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no code
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I`ve worked in the Halls of Gov., and I assure you that dropping Code Requirements is nothing but a Ploy to get every drunk, and half wit to acquire a Lic........Also to assist Gear Mfg. to keep those Assy. Lines just a Humming......Majority of New Hams that I have worked are so ignorant of Radio Theory, that it is Disgusting.......Hell, all they have to do is buy the Questions, and Answers from the ARRL......If they can remember how to wipe their Heinie, they are able to get any Lic., that their little heart desires.....
73`s......W4UUU
Posted by
W4UUU
on February 15, 2007
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"Some one should Teach you how to READ RESULTS - "The HUGE MAJORITY OH HAMS" - VOTED - "NO" - PERIOD! "
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So. The majority wanted the code requirement dropped, too, but you still see people crying about that as well.
Come on, guys, it was just a poll question that somebody made up. Nobody is actually proposing that contesting should be allowed on the WARC bands.
Posted by
KX8N
on February 14, 2007
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2x4 ina lumber yard
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Contesters provide a lot of economic support for the hobby and drive high end radio inovation, as such they are a good source of "last year's" radio at a discount.
However, I find it ironic that contesters who can't talk about anything but "Q's" claim non-contest contacts are uninteresting. Quite the opposite. I am amazed how interesting "ordinary" contacts can be IF the folks involved don't suffer from "contester personality disorder." So listen, trash 80, 40, and 20 with your meaningless numbers, knock yourselves out, but leave us 30 cw (and the other WARC bands)
so we can stay out of the way.
Posted by
K1DA
on February 14, 2007
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Check the numbers, guys!
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According to :
http://www.eham.net/survey/523
2640 hams think there are too many contests on the HF bands and they spoil the operating
1844 think the opposite.
That's a 60% against /40% for contesting split.
Yet 82% of respondents in this survey are against contests on the WARC bands.
90% are either against and feel that they should be infrequent. That's a measly 10% who are thinking there should be WARC contest, and I bet half of those are trolls.
Contests are NOT coming to the WARC bands, guys. If you get upset over this question after seeing the results, you're being silly.
Posted by
N3OX
on February 14, 2007
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No to WARC in contests
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"I am not a number, I am a free man".
I like names, QTHs and other details in my log, not just numbers.
Leave them free from this insane, and frequently automated, mayhem.
Posted by
M0DCD
on February 14, 2007
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I dont see a Reason to not allow contesting on the WARC bands. I do however think that if it is allowed that it be limited TO the WARC bands... meaning not an all HF band contest.. but a WARC ONLY contest. Mabey this already exists..I dont know. But I wouldent support an all out HF Contest EXTRAVAGANZA, there is no need ( yet ).
Posted by
N2JDQ
on February 14, 2007
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enough is enough
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if 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters aren't enough, what makes ANYONE think a few more KC's will help? fome people just HAVE to have one more, but history proves that they don't stop with what they are given. by the same token, there are plenty of contest ops who are very nice, and will go out of their way to keep on good terms with other ops.
73's
Jake, KI4PGS
Posted by
KI4PGS
on February 13, 2007
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Contesting on WARC Bands
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I am a die-hard contester and I feel the WARC bands should be left alone. There has to be some zone where we contesters do not penetrate so those who aren't contesters can have some QRM-free spectrum.
Usually a major contest is on a single mode during a given weekend but there are people who only work CW and people who only work SSB, etc. I'm willing to give them a break.
73, Zack
Posted by
W9SZ
on February 13, 2007
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WARC
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Are you kidding? WE will soon have a rush of new ARRL&CB-Club "hams". Contesters are the most awful of Hams and it's about to get worse. Non-contesters need someplace to go where there is no rudeness and arrogance and misuse of the bands.
Posted by
KD5PSH
on February 13, 2007
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I don't understand this problem with contesting. I thought the hobby was dying because no one is becoming a ham. How can the bands be that crowded then? Oh, thats right. Removing the code test has fixed everything, even thought it hasn't taken effect yet.
73s John W5TD
Posted by
W5TD
on February 12, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC Bands?
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First of all... I am an avid DX'er and contestor and have been for over twenty-two (22) years. In fairness to those not interested in contesting, I feel it's only right to exclude the WARC bands from any and all contests. Our fellow ham's should have bands which are free from the bombardment of activity during contests.
Just my thoughts... Hpe to C U in the next test!
73 es gud DX de Ron, KX5RW ..
Posted by
KX5RW
on February 12, 2007
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No Thanks
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I'm dreading what the big contests are going to sound like on 80 meter CW this year. It will be bedlam.
40 might actually be improved.
Maybe 30 meters will be open so we have a place to escape.
Posted by
K0RGR
on February 12, 2007
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Absolutely NO to WARC contesting!
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The WARC bands are the only place you can get away from the stupid, worthless bedlam during a contest. I think all contests should be put on 11 meters...that's what the the inconsiderate fools sound like anyway. Let the idiots scream "CQ contest" together on CB.
Posted by
WB4TJH
on February 12, 2007
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Yes sir!
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Plankeye thinks..
"DK2UG:
Sounds good to me brother. As odd as you may think this is, I think your right. Someone needs to put a Choke Chain on this hobby or it will become out of control. Don't believe me, take a look at it now, and where it is headed.
PLANKEYE"
Looks like somebody's crying about the code requirement being dropped.
Posted by
K1OU
on February 12, 2007
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Yes sir!
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Plankeye thinks..
"DK2UG:
Sounds good to me brother. As odd as you may think this is, I think your right. Someone needs to put a Choke Chain on this hobby or it will become out of control. Don't believe me, take a look at it now, and where it is headed.
PLANKEYE"
Looks like somebody's crying about the code requirement being dropped.
Posted by
K1OU
on February 12, 2007
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CHOKE CHAIN
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DK2UG:
Sounds good to me brother. As odd as you may think this is, I think your right. Someone needs to put a Choke Chain on this hobby or it will become out of control. Don't believe me, take a look at it now, and where it is headed.
PLANKEYE
Posted by
PLANKEYE
on February 12, 2007
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WARC contesting..
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I think ragchewing, DXing, county hunting, DF'ing, OSCAR, weak-signal work, EME, QRP, repeaters, AM, CW, PSK, and all other digital modes should be eliminated.
And while we're at it, let's do away with all amateur radio sites on the internet.
Posted by
K1OU
on February 12, 2007
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WARC CONTESTING
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I think contesting should be eliminated! WHAT PURPOSE DO THEY SERVE???????? IF ANY??????
Thanks
Paul
Posted by
KB9FMV
on February 12, 2007
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Here we go again!
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DK2UG opines...
"No band area recommendations are respected by the contesters at all. I would highly vote for a restriction of:
1. Number of contests per year.
2. Put the local contests on VHF or UHF bands.
3. Cleary restrict contests to certain 'smaller' frequency ranges. Abuses should lead to an immediate disqualification of the station.
4. Restrict the duration of the contests. Why contests should run 48 hours while 12 or max. 24 hrs should be more than enough."
Fair enough. As long as you agree to restrict your interests in the hobby to certain hours, in certain areas of the band, in very specific parts of the spectrum, for a restricted period. Sound like a good deal?
Posted by
K1OU
on February 11, 2007
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Restrict Contests at all
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God beware us of using our last resorts during contest weekends !! Nearly every weekend over the year some international or even national contests are poisoning all bands except the WARC bands. No band area recommendations are respected by the contesters at all. I would highly vote for a restriction of:
1. Number of contests per year.
2. Put the local contests on VHF or UHF bands.
3. Cleary restrict contests to certain 'smaller' frequency ranges. Abuses should lead to an immediate disqualification of the station.
4. Restrict the duration of the contests. Why contests should run 48 hours while 12 or max. 24 hrs should be more than enough.
Summary: We do have too many contests running. Normal HAMS are working during the week and their only operating times are during weekends but they always get sour due to contests handled in undisciplined manners. Let retired HAMs operate some contests during the normal week days and not on weekends. Give us - the non-contesters - some room to do our business as well. Why should the majority of HAMs always suffer for the amusement of some.
I got already sick this weekend because of the CQ WW RTTY and PA contest this week. Heard already hundreds of RTTY stations all over the 40m band !!!
73's
Manfred (7Z1UG - DK2UG)
Riyadh KSA
www.manfred-dk2ug.com
manniko@hotmail.com
Posted by
7Z1UG
on February 11, 2007
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Restrict Contests at all
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God beware us of using our last resorts during contest weekends !! Nearly every weekend over the year some international or even national contests are poisoning all bands except the WARC bands. No band area recommendations are respected by the contesters at all. I would highly vote for a restriction of:
1. Number of contests per year.
2. Put the local contests on VHF or UHF bands.
3. Cleary restrict contests to certain 'smaller' frequency ranges. Abuses should lead to an immediate disqualification of the station.
4. Restrict the duration of the contests. Why contests should run 48 hours while 12 or max. 24 hrs should be more than enough.
Summary: We do have too many contests running. Normal HAMS are working during the week and their only operating times are during weekends but they always get sour due to contests handled in undisciplined manners. Let retired HAMs operate some contests during the normal week days and not on weekends. Give us - the non-contesters - some room to do our business as well. Why should the majority of HAMs always suffer for the amusement of some.
I got already sick this weekend because of the CQ WW RTTY and PA contest this week. Heard already hundreds of RTTY stations all over the 40m band !!!
73's
Manfred (7Z1UG - DK2UG)
Riyadh KSA
www.manfred-dk2ug.com
manniko@hotmail.com
Posted by
7Z1UG
on February 11, 2007
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contester says no
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I believe in courtesy and comprimise, the bands we have for contesting are just fine, its enough. We need to keep more than one band open for those who do not contest for ragchewing, other modes, etc...I love contesting but im fine with the amount of space we have.
If the band is overcrowded during a contest we should be overjoyed, and spilling out into the WARC bands wont help, it will just spread the resentment of non-contesters, we need to think of everyone involved. lets just be happy with the fact that contests are busy.
Moreover, instead of expanding our real estate, we should work on enforcement of contesting big guns who dont qrl, fire up the CQ machines at 1.5 KW and stomp all over eachother...contest sponsors should have OO's roaming around during that particular weekends contest and issuing deductions for bad behaviour. It would help, but i dont think it will happen. but it might make contests a little bit more acceptable to the rest of the populace, instead of building an increasing disdain for the contester. maybe returning a bit of civility to our ranks.
Posted by
N7YA
on February 10, 2007
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EHam hits..
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WA8MEA muses..
"I had to ask myself; "Why did Eham.net even bring up this topic?" Surely they are aware of the bevy of previous posts relating to the "too many contests" controversy. The heated discussions. The "virtual ham riots" that broke out every time the subject of "too many contests" was mentioned.
Why such a question in their survey?
Then it hit me: Eham.net is short on "clicks" so far this year! They haven't had their quota of "clicks". "Clicks" must be down from a year ago. And this topic produces A LOT of "clicks." "Clicks" mean everything to a website. They are as Arbitron is to radio, or Nielson is to TV."
Actually, I think the clicks are down exactly because of the same debates ad nauseum. That, and the moderators don't step in enough and shut down the people who constantly hijack threads with their own agenda and repetitive dogma designed to incite.
Posted by
K1OU
on February 10, 2007
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Nope! Nope! Nope!
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Just what I don't want, another contest crammed down my throat! Way too many of them as it is.
Jerry
Posted by
R5A
on February 9, 2007
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Missing option
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Not no, but HECK no!
I love contesting, but there needs to be a haven.
73 de Donald
Posted by
AE6RF
on February 9, 2007
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No!
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No!
No No!
No No No!
No No No No!
No No No No No!
All Clear? : No!
Posted by
PE1NPG
on February 9, 2007
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Stop picking on contesters!
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Why does everyone always want to make life difficult for contesters? Can you imagine what would happen if contests were on the WARC bands? Multi-multi stations would have to add even more antennas, radios, and operators to cover those bands. Single ops would be spread too thin between bands.
Posted by
N3EG
on February 9, 2007
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NO NO NO NO NO
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"not enough band width for all the 6kw contest stations"? QRP like this is tough on 20! Just what we need, more 'QRP' stations on the WARC bands. SOME Hams LIKE to ragchew, give them refuge somewhere.
Posted by
K8CXM
on February 9, 2007
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Hands Off!.....
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I dive full throttle into maybe 2 contests per year (the ARRL DX SSB in March and The CQ WW DX SSB in October), but that's it...There is nothing wrong with contests....Keep them restricted to 160, 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10.....and leave the rest of the bands (WARC) alone.....
Posted by
KA3NRX
on February 8, 2007
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What, again??!!
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Wasn't this was just a "Speak-Out" topic??
I guess, now that the Code vs No Code debate is over, this is the new "dead horse" we'll be beating for the foreseeable future?
Posted by
W1NK
on February 8, 2007
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What, again??!!
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Wasn't this was just a "Speak-Out" topic??
I guess, now that the Code vs No Code debate is over, this is the new "dead horse" we'll be beating for the foreseeable future?
Posted by
W1NK
on February 8, 2007
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I don't under stand what people get out of ragchewing.
Make a contact trade info and then sit and yammer endlessly about nothing. How stupid can you get. You make 1 or 2 contacts that day and for what. Nothing. Absolutely Nothing beneficial has taken place, No testing of condition limits, no pulling a weak signal out of QRN and QRM, no exploration of just how will I perform under less than armchair conditions.
Nothing at all worth wile is exchanged in a ragchew, just the same old medical complaints and some whining about those darn contesters.
Not like in a true emergency.
The ARRL should lead the way on reducing the amount of ragchewing. By asking that there be no more than one ragchew per month. And make all of them mid week. Without knowing the true facts I bet only about 20 to 25 % ham's participate in ragchewing. And maybe ½ of them only participate in 4 or 5 per year to NEW stations. But it totally destroys radio during all that ragchewing.
That is my personal option. Thank God we live in a free country so my fellow hams can post their (sp fixed) opinions pro and con to this post. (punctuation added)
Posted by
N4SL
on February 8, 2007
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Oh...
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And, while I like contesting - I agree, let's keep contests off 30, 17 and 12.
Posted by
WR8Y
on February 8, 2007
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WARC?
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We call them "WARC BANDS" because it's easier than saying "30, 17 and 12".
Is it THAT hard to understand?
Posted by
WR8Y
on February 8, 2007
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No Contests on WARC
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Keep WARC as the CONTEST FREE ZONE. The responsibility for the contests and the behavior of the contesters belongs rightfully at the feet of the sponsors. ARRL & CQ take note of the 82-10 split of WARC Contest Free Zone vs WARC contests as of this morning. Or is it Contests Über Alles as is tolerated on the other bands?
Posted by
N1KFC
on February 8, 2007
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Some things are just better off left alone.
73
Posted by
KC8VWM
on February 7, 2007
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Bad idea
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I'm a contester and I think this is a bad idea. Everyone is entitled to their space to operate. The WARC bands serve a valuable purpose (among others) as a refuge for those wishing to avoid contests.
Besides, it would just be another way for the East Coast to work even more EU!
Posted by
K8GU
on February 7, 2007
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No Way.. i love contesting, but come on. Have a hard enough time jockying for position on 20m during a contest, still qrm central, how the hell are you gonna fit people in on a tiny Warc band. Will just cause frustration and confusion with contest stations, stepping on one another.
With that said.. cant wait for solar activity to pick up.
73, Kevin VE3EN
Posted by
VE3EN
on February 7, 2007
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NO to warc bands
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not enough band width for all the 6kw contest stations
Posted by
VK3PA
on February 7, 2007
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No
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To put it simply - NO!!
Posted by
N5YPJ
on February 6, 2007
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No to HF Contest
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I don't under stand what people get out of contest. Make a contact trade info and hurry up and go to the next and do the same thing. How stupid can you get. You make 50 or 60 contacts that day and for what. Nothing. Absolutely Nothing beneficial has taken place, No hello how are you, what's the WX, my name and QTH is, My rig and antenna are, I do ? For a living. Nothing at all worth wile is exchanged in a contest. Not like in a true QSO. The ARRL should lead the way on reducing the amount of contest. By asking that there be no more than one per month. And make some of them mid week. Without knowing the true facts I bet only about 20 to 25 % ham's participate in contest. And maybe ½ of them only participate in 4 or 5 per year. But it totally destroys radio during the contest. That is my personal option. Thank God we live in a free country so my fellow hams can post there opinions pro and con to this post
Posted by
KA5ROW
on February 6, 2007
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SUN SPOTS
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One gentleman spoke about how DEAD the WARC bands are. Hours of dead time per day. He also spoke about how a contest would spark life into a band that was dead 14 hours a day. I believe he was speaking about probagation not activity. Can anyone tell me how a contest can change radio probagation? I don't think the bands are as dead as you might think. Maybe we are?
Posted by
PLANKEYE
on February 6, 2007
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WHY NOT?
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Everyone seems to think that contests are good. Why not the WARC bands? If something is a good thing why would you not want it on the WARC bands? Why would you want bands set aside for no contesting? Why is the survey percentage so high?
Just questions?
Posted by
PLANKEYE
on February 6, 2007
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Contesting on WARC Bands?
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NO!
Posted by
KB8FNQ
on February 6, 2007
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No thanks
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I really enjoy contesting. But I also enjoy a place to relax when the heat of the battle gets to much. I voted NO.
Contests are our friend...
73,
John W5JON
Posted by
W5JON
on February 6, 2007
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Stoopid!
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Is this a follow-up to the stoopid "Speakout" Piece?
It's a little bit weird when the folks who sponsor eHam & Contesting.com keep intorducing anti-contest articles that are sure to generate controversy...
Oh, Wait a minute!
I get it now!
Carry on with the traffic OM! Hope the added time spent here gets the revenue you desire.
Gary
Posted by
WG7X
on February 6, 2007
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Not needed
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I don't contest but I make many contacts during a contest. I love how the bands come alive during a contest. Propagation is not as bad as we thought when a contest is underway. But we all need some Freqs where we can get away from the contests, and the WARC bands are great for that.
Posted by
W4KTX
on February 6, 2007
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Please, no contesting on WARC bands!
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I am not a contester, and during contest weekends 17m is the only band on which I can operate and enjoy some peace and quiet. The same applies to 12m when it is open.
Please, let's keep the contests off the 30, 17 and 12m bands!
Posted by
VA7OJ
on February 6, 2007
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WARC and contesting??
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I am a modest contester, usually around a doxen or so a year, I usually get a half dozen "new ones" in a dx contest. I will also get on and hand out a few points on some of the other contest, and I agree with most.
we should not "need " to contest on the WARC bands. I have no problem not using them.
one point shows up time and time again. For instance, this fall on the 10 meter contestthere was no activity on 10 all week, about an hour befor the contest started, there was an increase in activity and by the start of the contest there was probably a QSO about every 10 kc's up and down the band. I did a couple hundred contacts in a matter of 3 or 4 hours that I had available. . ten minutes after the contest the band is dead again. amaizing how it only opens up for a contest..
perhaps later on this month the 10 meter band will see activity as all the new tech get their voice privleges on 10, I will monitor for a day or two. this can be an interesting time in the Ham radio analogs.
but no contesting on WARC
Posted by
N6AJR
on February 5, 2007
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Who is "we"?
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Who says whether or not these bands are open to contesting? I thought it was just a courtesy.
Posted by
AD1OS
on February 5, 2007
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To each his own ...
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I am not a contester, but often make a few contacts during contests that are new states on HF or new grids on 6m and up.
I have only been licensed for a few years, so maybe my view differs from someone who has seen contests evolve into something that they dislike, or maybe they have always disliked them.
I say "To each his own" and let folks partcipate in whatever aspect of ham radio interests them.
I am not in favor of expanding contesting to the bands where it is not presently allowed, but I do not find a shortage of frequencies to operate on during contests.
During the last Field Day (which after all is a contest), I was able to make some 15m contacts on a band that is usually "dead" and gather some propagation data using a couple of different antenna configurations.
The only down side to contesting is that the folks running maximum power into monster antenna configurations have a decided advantage, and I for one do not have the means or the desire to put that type of station on the air.
Otherwise, whatever floats your boat...
Charles
Posted by
K5QED
on February 5, 2007
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Mixed feelings
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I wonder if we'll ever stop referring to them as WARC bands, when the WARC referenced was 28 years ago now?
Maybe when it's 100 years ago?
I'm mixed because when the sun has no freckles like now, 12m can be completely "dead" almost 24/7, and 17m can be "dead" probably 14 hours a day. A contest would sure liven things up, probably create new activity where there was absolutely none at all. 30m might be used for CW and RTTY contests.
Then, when we're at a sunspot cycle peak, 17m is jam-packed with no open frequencies to use, and 12m sometimes gets that way, especially on weekends.
Dilemma.
WB2WIK/6
Posted by
WB2WIK
on February 5, 2007
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We keep hearing about the WARC bands as being some sort of "refuge" for non-contesters - maybe it's just me but I've not seen any great level of activity on any of the WARC bands whether it's a contest weekend or not. As far as I'm concerned, the whole argument that contests somehow ruin the main HF bands is way overblown. I don't feel that contesting in the WARC bands is necessary but neither do I subscribe to the theory that somehow those bands are the only refuge for non-contesters.
Posted by
KN7T
on February 5, 2007
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Contesting....
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I am not a contester I do not see anything wrong with contest's, however I see no need to have them on 12, 17, or 30 meters. To sum this up in my humble oppinion NO to contesting on the WARC bands!
Thanks
Bob KW1R
Posted by
KW1R
on February 5, 2007
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Contesting....
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I am not a contester I do not see anything wrong with contest's, however I see no need to have them on 12, 17, or 30 meters. To sum this up in my humble oppinion NO to contesting on the WARC bands!
Thanks
Bob KW1R
Posted by
KW1R
on February 5, 2007
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I am amazed
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What is amazing to me is that we still refer them as "WARC bands". Did time stand still for ham radio in 1979? I mean the 12-, 17-, and 30-meters bands are old enough to join QCWA!
Most hams view them as all other bands in our service. Most don't even know what the WARC designation for these bands means.
73,
---* Ken
Posted by
WI7B
on February 5, 2007
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No to WARC Contesting
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The WARC bands are the only place one can go to get away from all the contesters.
On the other bands the contesters do not seem to care if there is a QSO going on, they just weasle up to you or get right on your freq. QRM.
Every weekend there is some sort of contest or "QSO" party.
What the survey should have ask is- "Should contests be limited to a few kHz's on each of the bands and no contest at all on the WARC bands?"...
Don, W5KG
Posted by
W5KG
on February 5, 2007
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WARC BAND CONTESTING
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NO, NO, NO Contesting on the WARC bands.
Let all the contest nuts use the other bands as they have been doing so for decades.
Let normal ops have a piece of the pie as well.
73
Mike, K8XF
Posted by
K8XF
on February 5, 2007
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Numbers R Us
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As I look at the numbers, I see that 9% say Yes and 10% say "Maybe one or two a year...". What I don't see are any of this 19% aggregate posting anything to explain their stance??? Are we seeing persons with a valid viewpoint or just contrarians who are stirring the pot???
Posted by
KG4RUL
on February 5, 2007
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WD4AOG SAYS:
" There's plenty of room on 10 meters and 220 mhz right now. Have at it!"
Mike, you are correct! So, if there is a contest on 20-40-80, and you want to have a net, go ahead and use 160, or 15/10 or 220. As you say, there is plenty of room there for you to discuss your latest aches and pains, the WX, and politics. HIHI...
Seriously, we do contest on 160, and we do contest on a "dead" 10 meter band. And, we have fun there also.
73-Chuck KI9A
Posted by
KI9A
on February 4, 2007
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Move contests
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As I've said before, contests belong on the more "difficult" bands. THEN they make some kind of sense. Anyone can make contacts on 20, 40 and 75 meters. If you want to impress people, let us see a lot of contacts BELOW 80 meters or ABOVE 17 meters (especially during the down part of the solar cycle). There's plenty of room on 10 meters and 220 mhz right now. Have at it!
Mike
WD4AOG
Posted by
WD4AOG
on February 4, 2007
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Contesting on the WARC bands
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Never, Ever! The WARC bands are the only harbor of refuge on contest weekends (seems like every weekend from Oct to May) for those who do not participate.
Posted by
K1AF
on February 4, 2007
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NO WARC contest please
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Hi Everybody
If I see what happens in the big contests on 20 mtrs 40 mtrs I would say forbid contesting on every band.
Last WW contest it was like every big gun ham with a big amplifier and a huge antenna was shouting like a complete idiot on diverse HF bands.
There was nothing in their behavior that testified of ham spirit and general polite use of the radio.
I am only a ham for seven years now and the thing that I least expected to happen in amateurradio happens every big contest.
No thank you every big contest I use the OFF button and stay of all bands in contest use.
So please no more contesting at all.
Jos pa7wwo
Posted by
PA7WWO
on February 4, 2007
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Contesting
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I fully agree with AE1X. While there should never be contesting on the WARC bands, there should be no impediment to awards for operating these bands.
73
Steve WA2DTW
Posted by
WA2DTW
on February 4, 2007
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"Not only should contesting not be on the WARC bands, it should be severely restricted on the other HF bands also.
Posted by KA5ROW on February 3, 2007"
Was wondering, OM, will you also agree to restriciting what you enjoy also?? Maybe a net-free restricition? Or a DX free restricition? Or a sked-free restriction??
If its good for me, it must be good, and equal for you..
What say?
Posted by
KI9A
on February 4, 2007
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warc bands should remain contest free
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I enjoy contesting, although I don't get the time to operate much. The warc bands have always been a refuge for those who don't enjoy contesting, and I don't see any reason to change that.
73
Dan
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Posted by
K9ZF
on February 4, 2007
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keep WARC free
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I'm a contester. I am also a ragchewer/DXer. I think there should be a contest free zone on the WARC bands...No problems with that.
Isn't it funny how this type of question turns into a contest bashing forum, from those "holier-than-thou" non-contesters??
Hmm..I don't complain about the W I D E hi-fi SSB guys, or the guys that think everyone wants to hear about thier inflamed goiter, or the redneck gaptoothed goatropers, that spead hate, and vile language on 75 SSB on any givin evening. Not just weekends..
73-Chuck KI9A
Posted by
KI9A
on February 4, 2007
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WARC CONTESTS
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Am I the only one who remembers that the ARRL PROMISED US the WARC bands frequencies would be expanded within ten years at the most. Here we are over 27 years later and still no expansion. NO TO CONTESTS ON WARC BANDS!
Posted by
N4VNV
on February 4, 2007
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No - Thank You
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I agree with the Majority of Hams, the Contest have grown RUDE and OUT OF CONTROL, about the only thing missing in them - (the way many of them act) is "BREAKER 1-9 YOU ARE 59" when they think it's time to get into WARC we then need to VOTE a LIMIT to the amount of Contests per year.
Posted by
N5JFJ
on February 4, 2007
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No way
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Warc is the only place to find DX when the contest are running. No to contesting on the Warc bands!
Posted by
WU5E
on February 4, 2007
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No Contests on WARC Bands
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It's the only 'safe haven' from the "5-9, QRZ?" nonsense.
As others have noted while contests definitely have a place, and contesters are on the cutting edge of technology, there's something inhuman about the standard "5-9, QRZ?" I want to LEARN about the other station; his/her country; other hobbies; world view, etc. You can't do that in a contest.
Joe
N2LJD
Posted by
N2LJD
on February 3, 2007
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No!
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I have been saying this for years, "Unless the sponsors of the contests find a way to limit them and police how they are run, NO to them being on the WARC bands." It is nice to have bands that are not jammed up with "5-9, please repeat your call?"
73,
Frank
KL7IPV
Posted by
KL7IPV
on February 3, 2007
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No WARC Contesting
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These bands are so small, contest would lead to more crowded WARC bands like it is every two weeks on the "old" bands.
I could say YES to contesting on the WARC bands if the behaviour of the contestesters (ie take care of the mode segments, call only on unused frequencys, run clean signals ,...) would be better.
73
Edgar
DF5EY / DR5D
Posted by
DF5EY
on February 3, 2007
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No WARC Contesting
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These bands are so small, contest would lead to more crowded WARC bands like it is every two weeks on the "old" bands.
I could say YES to contesting on the WARC bands if the behaviour of the contestesters (ie take care of the mode segments, call only on unused frequencys, run clean signals ,...) would be better.
73
Edgar
DF5EY / DR5D
Posted by
DF5EY
on February 3, 2007
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We, the ruling contesting class of the world, must rid the airwaves of those pesky and antagonizing non-contesters.
The non-contesters are not producing anything of value to ham radio and frankly they are un-American.
We absolutely must FORCE our view of YES to contesting on all bands, especially the WARC bands.
If your blood pressure is up now, this is exactly what I read every single day here, in reverse.
Posted by
N4SL
on February 3, 2007
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warc bands
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and PLEASE no NETS either!
Posted by
WA0OFO
on February 3, 2007
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No Way!
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Leave space for the non-contesters.
Posted by
KG4RUL
on February 3, 2007
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NO WARC Contests-AT ALL
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I'VE BEEN LICENSED OVER 35+ YEARS...I didn't stay in this field to run contests...Keep WARC bands free of them, to permit us (who don't participate) a free area!!!!!
Posted by
KC8Y
on February 3, 2007
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Why such a question?
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I had to ask myself; "Why did Eham.net even bring up this topic?" Surely they are aware of the bevy of previous posts relating to the "too many contests" controversy. The heated discussions. The "virtual ham riots" that broke out every time the subject of "too many contests" was mentioned.
Why such a question in their survey?
Then it hit me: Eham.net is short on "clicks" so far this year! They haven't had their quota of "clicks". "Clicks" must be down from a year ago. And this topic produces A LOT of "clicks." "Clicks" mean everything to a website. They are as Arbitron is to radio, or Nielson is to TV.
This question isn't even debatable. You have 50 state QSO parties. That's 50 out of 52 weekends per year. So that leaves two weekends to get ALL of your CQ and QST contests in. Plus....Field Day.
Using basic math, there aren't enough weekends in a year for every cotton-pickin' contest anyway.....
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
Posted by
WA8MEA
on February 3, 2007
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No please
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Lets keep the WARC bands free of contests so the ones of us that dont contest can have a place to go for a nice easy QSO.
Posted by
N0FPE
on February 3, 2007
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WARC bands
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It's very frustrating when you are away all week working and come home to a contest weekend. You want to get on the air but the contest activity makes it impossible. All we have are the warc bands as a safe haven so LEAVE THEM ALONE. See Ya! es 73 Ralph WA2NTK
Posted by
WA2NTK
on February 3, 2007
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Contesting re-examined
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Present day contesting needs to be kept off WARC bands permanently.
Few things are static (is that a pun?). Contesting continues to evolve into something very ugly and very far removed from the spirit of amateur radio. By this I mean that the more automated it becomes, the less concern for a meaningful contact between two human beings, the more emphasis placed on speed and quantity of meaningless contacts, the more removed from the spirit of amateur radio. Where it exists now is where new contraints must be put on contesting to make it more person related and more considerate of others on the bands.
Posted by
AI2IA
on February 3, 2007
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Keep them clear
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Contesting has a major place in ham radio and whilst I do not acively contest I do listen around to get an idea of propagation, antenna and filter performance. The WARC bands (especially 30m) provide an excellent environment for experimentation, like qrss and weak signal modes. Experimentation is also an integral part of ham radio and I cannot imagine trying to do weak signal work anywhere on 40m during a big contest. In the case of 30m, it is rarely crowded and provides a relaxed place for a 'clean' contect - great when learning CW. It would be a sad day if contests were permitted on the WARC bands.
Graham
Posted by
M0CUQ
on February 3, 2007
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WARC contesting
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I really enjoy contesting a lot.
There is no good reason to ever allow contesting on the WARC bands.
Tom - W4BQF
Posted by
W4BQF
on February 3, 2007
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Restrict Contesting
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Not only should contesting not be on the WARC bands, it should be severely restricted on the other HF bands also.
Posted by
KA5ROW
on February 3, 2007
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No.
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I enjoy contesting, but I've always believed that the WARC bands should NOT be involved in contesting. There must be a place for casual operations without contesting interference. Paper chasing/awards are fine.
73,
Joe
WDØM
Posted by
WD0M
on February 3, 2007
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No, but thanks for asking.
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I also would have to pass on contests on the WARC bands. I've never been big into contesting, but I have absolutely no objections to them, or to those who chose to participate. It is nice to have some ether during the contest season that is not crowded with contests. This is by no means an attack, and I hope it is not construed as such.
73
Posted by
WA0ELM
on February 3, 2007
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No, but thanks for asking.
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I also would have to pass on contests on the WARC bands. I've never been big into contesting, but I have absolutely no objections to them, or to those who chose to participate. It is nice to have some ether during the contest season that is not crowded with contests. This is by no means an attack, and I hope it is not sonstrued as such.
73
Posted by
WA0ELM
on February 3, 2007
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A Place to Talk
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I have a antenna, a transmitter and in close to 50 years as a radio amateur I found out that if I point the beam have transmitter on I can reach out and talk to someone. I can even make friends with that someone. SO leave some place free of contests so that those of us that know Transmitter+antenna=contact have a place to do just that. Thank you.
Posted by
K6TPL
on February 3, 2007
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No Contests
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Keep the WARC bands contest-free. State QSO parties are contests. I say "No" to them also.
Posted by
AG4RQ
on February 3, 2007
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No Contests
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Keep the WARC bands contest-free. State QSO parties are contests. I say "No" to them also.
Posted by
AG4RQ
on February 3, 2007
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Conditional yes to contesting
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I enjoy contesting, but it is nice that the WARC bands are contest free. I would not want to see any of the major international DX contests on the WARC bands, but what about the State QSO parties, those are usually limited in scope, and in the number of participants, and tend not to be such a chaotic operation.
Scott
Posted by
AL7II
on February 3, 2007
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No way!
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Imagine in just a little while when this next solar cycle starts to show its self just a little. The warc bands will open up and we can enjoy good ragchew and dx contacts. Why "ruin" a good thing. The contesters have plenty of other bands to screw up every weekend as it is now. As far as a contest tending to increase activity, from the way just 40m sounds on any weekend now, lets just leave the warc bands alone. Please lets not loose the hords of endless screaming cq test onto prime operating bands. 73 John WR8D
Posted by
WR8D
on February 3, 2007
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Also NO to WARC Contesting
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I don't buy the argument that contesting increases band activity - at least not meaningful band activity. Yelling "FIVE NINE ZERO SIX" endlessly to operators whose call you've forgotten in 30 seconds doesn't hold a lot of meaning for me.
There seems to be lots of room for contests spread throughout the spectrum - why do they need more?
Posted by
VE6DRW
on February 3, 2007
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No to WARC Contesting
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There has to be a haven for those not interested in contesting! Besides, these bands are not exclusive to the amateur service.
I have no problem with awards for operating. They tend to increase activity. This is good for the most part.
Ken
Posted by
AE1X
on February 3, 2007
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