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Survey Question
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Now the that morse code testing is over. Have you upgraded?
Posted: Aug 05, 2007
(1967 votes, 163 comments)
by N3JBH
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Survey Results
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Yes, Tech to General
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15% (303)
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Yes,Tech to Extra
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6% (110)
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Yes, General to Extra
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4% (71)
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No, not yet...
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14% (266)
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I won't be upgrading
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5% (99)
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don't have to upgrade...
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52% (1021)
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Not in the USA...
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5% (97)
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Survey Comments
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W8JI said:
"Of course there is no real change in the number of Hams! Who would expect anything else?
CW was never that difficult for those who were so excited and interested in the hobby they really wanted to make an effort. It never stopped anyone who was really interested and was willing to study or work a littl."
How very true this statement is. If you were motivated and had any gumption whatsoever, Morse code and the exams were NEVER a barrier. I was a teenage Extra in the Eighties because I was MOTIVATED; I distain the whiners who bitched, griped, and moaned about how hard it was.
Posted by
NL7W
on November 9, 2007
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Tech+ To Extra
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This is the most enjoyable/educational hobby I have aver experienced. The tech plus code test was not too difficult but the code for the other levels was very intimidating. So much so that I never thought of upgrading. Since the code drop I recently decided to upgrade and did an enormous amount of studying. I learned the theory and not the question answers. I never knew how much more interesting this hobby could be until I studied the extra material. Everything began to fall into place and I became even more excited about the hobby as my knowledge expanded. I would never have picked up a book to study if the code had not been dropped. I know that I am a better ham because of it.
Passed element 3&4 in one sitting. I have the greatest of respect for those that came before me and the hard work it took to learn the code.
Posted by
KC5GXE
on October 23, 2007
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new ham
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I just completed testing for my amateur radio license. Yes, I took ALL 3 exams in one sitting, and passed all 3 in one sitting with a total of 2 wrong. The ve's were upset that I passed the exams in one sitting. First I have been a swl for over 30 years. I learned a lot about radio over those 30+ years. I consider being licensed a privilege. I know the old hams are upset, but do I know it all??? NEVER! I have a lot yet to learn especially with adding now the fundamentals of transmitting.
You old hams should not be upset because I accomplished this, as I have a great deal of respect for those who came before me, experience still is everything! I for one do not want to see the Amateur service become anymore of the cb band than what it already is. One of the ve's asked me if I understood the very private fraternity I just joined, and told him YES I DO! I intend to show it through the proper operation of my station!
I will be looking to you older hams for advice, not to be looked down upon.
Posted by
DAVIDVD59
on September 17, 2007
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CSCE...
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Took and passed General test before the Morse requirement was dropped, but lost CSCE during a recent move from Desert Hot Springs to Yucaipa, Ca...
So I will have to take test again... Sigh.
Posted by
KF6HCD
on September 13, 2007
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Upgraded from Advanced to Extra when the requirement was lowered to 5WPM a few years ago. Made no difference in actual operating though...
Posted by
KC2WI
on September 9, 2007
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This is getting old
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This thread is getting old...lets talk about something ALOT more interesting...like guitars...!!!
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 24, 2007
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7 levels?
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Dave, NS9S wrote: Think of the seven levels that a black belt can earn in karate.
I am confused Dave. I hold a black belt in one of the most traditional Japanese Karate styles, Shotokan. We have 10 levels.
Now granted, 7th or 8th Dan maybe only obtained by a non-Japanese individual, but our 10th dan is an inherited rank. Anything above 7th Dan is honorary rank anyways.
Just my martial arts 2 cents. I have many hobbies and interests in life. Don't get my started on politics, business, guitar,computers or classic muscle car talk.
You see, as someone said earlier. I still have the fire in the belly!!! It is better to burn out than to rust out!
73
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 24, 2007
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A Better Way to Upgrade
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I never could understand why passing a multiple choice test entitled you to a particular ham class level. That's like saying a resident surgeon can be upgraded to a neurosurgeon by taking an exam. The level you are awarded as an amateur should have always been based on knowledge AND skill level. Think of the seven levels that a black belt can earn in karate. If I ran the FCC, I'd set the rules so that once you get your ENTRY level license you can become a General only if you pass a non-multiple choice exam like the old radio telephone 3rd or 2nd class test, and show proof of having WASed and worked say twenty countries using less than 50 watts output. Once you've demonstrated real proficiency, then you earn the right to move up to the next level. Problem is it will be the end of ham radio as we know it because very few of today's youth have the "fire in the belly" that we did back when ham radio was the "in" thing to do. Why develop any tech skills today when with a good cell phone you can seamlessly talk to any where in the world without QRN.
The ventings of Dave, NS9S
Posted by
NS9S
on August 24, 2007
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The truth of the argument?
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After sitting here and reviewing almost a month's worth of comments, I thought I would offer my equally worthless comments.
It's easy to see that most sentiments, as is the case most often, run far to the right or left. It seems like this most often ties back to the old hams vs the new hams. I did the code, I took the tests and I didn't mind because that was what was expected of me. The code is no longer required and, for whatever reason, the tests are becoming more simplistic. The old hams resent this change and the new hams resent having it pointed out to them when they have passed the test presented to them. Who is right?
History and experience show us that the truth is never at the right or the left but, instead, somewhere in between.
Failing to move forward isn't the answer. Moving ahead without retaining values and what's proven valuable from the past is also wrong. Those new to the service might find it hard to respect what has been the status quo or even see any worth in it. The older crowd may find it hard to deal with all the changes. Neither of these situations makes that respective group completely wrong. Each group has something to offer.
I support code but realize that it is not the letter of the law today. To alienate newcomers because they don't embrace ALL that we have held sacred will certainly degrade our service. For newcomers to pass a test based on the current test pool, assume they know all that is needed and ignore the wisdom and guidance of more experienced operators will also hurt our service. Simply put... we all need to be a little more humble. Those of us who can help should. Those who are new need to remember we all learned what to do and how to do it from those before us and now it's their turn.
The real truth:
The real truth is the amateur radio service must have a reasonably large pool of licensed operators to continue to be a worthwhile service in the eyes of the FCC. We have to keep drawing new, active people... period. Just as true, the operators in the service must be trained, knowledgeable and prepared to provide a service or they offer no value. Passing tests "back in the day" or now is not the measure of this value.
The vast majority of our time is spent having great fun with our "hobby" but that's not why we are allocated the valuable spectrum. We are allowed to do this so we are trained, knowledgeable and prepared to work together in time of need. If we aren't and can't we are of very limited value.
... Now back to our regularly scheduled arguments...
73, Greg
Posted by
KA9DTZ
on August 23, 2007
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Testing
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The ad for Ham Test Online says it all. No more Morse exams, upgrade the EASY WAY.
It's not the removal of code that bothers me it's the prostituting the integrity of the license.
Yes, there are those who have worked hard to get their ticket from the 60's, 70's 80's but, choose to berate it by acting in manner unfit for ham radio. Then, there are many who do arppreciate there hard work and do there best to promote Amateur Radio.
I'm for revamping the testing structure with no more question & answer booklets for the monkey see, monkey doers. There are programs that will guarantee you will pass the General Radio Telephone license after several months of flash carding you on 1200 to 1500 questions. We don't have nearly that many questions in our pool. Shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks at best the way it is setup now. Fill in the blank, no more ABC or D choices. Make it something worth earning. If that's too hard for you then you really aren't interested in Amateur Radio. It was never intended to be for everybody.
Posted by
N0FQN
on August 23, 2007
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Re: Upgrade to basics
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Sorry Vito, I didn't see the limitation on posting listed. Some of those were answers to YOUR friends. Others were discussion. I honestly didn't realize there were that many from me. I'm touched that you would let me know.
BTW, Vito, do you have an answer to the question Charles and I both asked you a while ago yet, or do you still choose to not answer. Oh, one last thing--14 is incorrect. Its now 15. 73!
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 23, 2007
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Ready to Upgrade?
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No need to upgrade as it now stands that 93 percent of hams in America are already Extra Class.
Soon it will be all Extras and only one license will have to be retained.
God Bless our FCC, of, for and by hams.
.:
Posted by
W6TH
on August 23, 2007
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Ready to Upgrade?
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No need to upgrade as it now stands that 93 percent of hams in America are already Extra Class.
Soon it will be all Extras and only one license will have to be retained.
God Bless our FCC, of, for and by hams.
.:
Posted by
W6TH
on August 23, 2007
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Up Grade to Basics
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K1CJS Chris,
You posted 14 times, why don't you let others have a word to say?
Ok, yes, you know it all.
.:
Posted by
W6TH
on August 23, 2007
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Advanced in Canada
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I have been Advanced in Canada since 1972. You had to work and study at that time to get a Upgrade. The 15 wpm code test came easy after being a logger for the CW ops for Field Day '72. The Theory was a little harder to get for the Advanced at that time. Here in Canada it was a much simpler. You only had 2 classes Beginners and Advanced. After 6 months if you were active you could get your 10 Meter Phone endorsement on your Certificate. Advanced Certificate gave you Phone Privileges on all bands. Restructuring in the early 90's The Beginners was called Basic and Advanced remained. Morse Code tests gave you HF privileges. That CW requirement was dropped 2 years ago. CW tests are still available as a access to HF if you can't answer those Technical Questions that gives you the 80% required for HF on your basic exam. 35% of the Basic Exam is very heavy on the Theory or Technical Questions. 5% of them correct gives you V/Uhf privileges the Basic 70% pass Mark 15% or more Difficult Technical Questions answered correctly is required to get your 80% honors mark to have HF privileges. Advanced gives you the privilege to home brew transmitters, run 1 Kw power and set up a repeater or Club Station custodian. I hopes that helps a brief overview of how it is in Canada.
73
Gerry VE7BGP
Posted by
VE7BGP
on August 23, 2007
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UPGRADE....WHY?
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I have been cheated by a system that continues to ignore the fact that the FCC administered test I took for my "Advanced" Class in 1980 was much more difficult than the "Extra" Class license of today. I'm sick and tired of the ARRL being a day late and a dollar short with it's membership. Therefore, I am NOT renewing my membership with same. It's the principal of the thing. Also, what ever happened to the WARC band expansion we were promised would be accomplished in ten years...27 years ago?
Posted by
N4VNV
on August 23, 2007
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"......but if our country falters, then what?"
IF? Its doing it right now. It may be too late to wake up--by the time we do something about it, it WILL be too late.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 22, 2007
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Give it all away
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Well, in that same vain...why not dumb down the educational system? Who needs to learn to read and write English? That is so 20th century. The US panders to all of the diverse community coming into the US (legally and illegally). Why are there welfare application forms in 90 different languages? DMV workbooks in 90+ different languages? People grow when challenged. Give away anything and no one grows. It just exacerbates the problem.
Do you think that there are welfare programs and applications in 90 different languages in other countries? No....learn their language or fall behind in their country. We pander to everyone here. Why? VOTES!!!!
In the same vain, if we give everything away, then our value system drops. Are we going to start reducing the requirements for our educational system. Maybe give away PhD's in 2 years.
Educational excellance is what keeps this country great. Give anything away and it looses value. That is why we have to import so many technology workers from other parts of the globe. Why? Everyone wants something for nothing. No one wants to work anymore and expects that everything is given to them on a silver platter.
Wake up people. The arguement of code versus no code or the dummy down factor of the ham radio requirements is just an indication of shifting priorities in this nation.
Do we manufactuer in this country anymore...No, we import it. The only thing that we do in this country anymore is innovate. It will not be long before we are not competitive in that anymore.
We consume, but not produce. What does that equate to...a HUGE trade inbalance. This is bad for America.
Wake up people....the testing of ham radio does not matter that much to me. Yes, it upsets me, but I can sell all of my ham radio gear, but if our country falters, then what??????
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 22, 2007
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Wrong terminology !
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DOWNGRADED to a lesser license class from what i hear on the phone bands would be more correct.
John WR8D
Posted by
WR8D
on August 22, 2007
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OK, then,
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Chuck, Going with your logic, please show me a ham who was handed his license without passing the appropriate test, be it element 2, 3 or 4. Everybody who has a ticket passed a test to get it. Therefore it had to be earned and has worth. Thanks for helping to explain this. 73.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 21, 2007
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"Earned something = worth.
Given something = worthless.
Posted by OLDFART13 on August 20, 2007"
Best post ever on EHAM.
Live it, learn it, love it.
Chuck KI9A
Posted by
KI9A
on August 21, 2007
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"If we don't make this hobby attractive to the younger generation we have failed as an amateurs. All the code in the world is worthless if the new generation will not accept it. Grow up, move on, get out of the 40's, buy a new suit and do something useful other then sit in your ivory shack and moan.
Danny WZ1P
Posted by N1GXC on August 21, 2007"
How true.
How about dropping the written exams now? After all, it is 2007, and who actually needs to know this stuff??
(just kidding by the way)
Posted by
KI9A
on August 21, 2007
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Code?
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I can do 500 WPM...
Real hams do code...
I had to work for my extra...
Can I chisel this on your tombstone?
If we left it up to you guy's the FCC would be selling off all our spectrum in five years due to lack of use. You old farts better get on the stick and start doing something to bring new blood into this hobby or we're toast. Many young people would rather 'text' or 'IM' rather than do ham because who wants to talk to a bunch of 80+ year old farts going beep, beep. beep.
If we don't make this hobby attractive to the younger generation we have failed as an amateurs. All the code in the world is worthless if the new generation will not accept it. Grow up, move on, get out of the 40's, buy a new suit and do something useful other then sit in your ivory shack and moan.
Danny WZ1P
Posted by
N1GXC
on August 21, 2007
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Code?
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I can do 500 WPM...
Real hams do code...
I had to work for my extra...
Can I chisel this on your tombstone?
If we left it up to you guy's the FCC would be selling off all our spectrum in five years due to lack of use. You old farts better get on the stick and start doing something to bring new blood into this hobby or we're toast. Many young people would rather 'text' or 'IM' rather than do ham because who wants to talk to a bunch of 80+ year old farts going beep, beep. beep.
If we don't make this hobby attractive to the younger generation we have failed as an amateurs. All the code in the world is worthless if the new generation will not accept it. Grow up, move on, get out of the 40's, buy a new suit and do something useful other then sit in your ivory shack and moan.
Danny WZ1P
Posted by
N1GXC
on August 21, 2007
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Keep it up.....
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It was obvious, Mr. Oldfart, sir--or did you not notice you included it along with your mudslinging all in one post? Its time for more blustering and squirming on your part--don't stop now.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 21, 2007
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Welfare
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Gosh Chris, who says I was talking about you? You must be feeling guilty about something! Enjoy the same privileges that some of us had to earn!
Earned something = worth.
Given something = worthless.
Posted by
OLDFART13
on August 20, 2007
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Riff-Raff?
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Speaking of such, I just answered one of them. No identification and just posting to try to cause trouble. Point proven--there was riff-raff on the HF bands before the code test was eliminated.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 20, 2007
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"Yes, except for the lazy no-coders, some of whom have been waiting for over 15 years for the code exam to be dumbed down enough for them to pass. We got one of our own big mouths right here who has been a NCT since 1998 but upgraded when the code exam was dropped. You must be so proud of yourself and your welfare license."
Well, Steve, or whoever you are, I was wondering if you'd be poking your head out of the ground. Posted to try to cause trouble or hard feelings, have you? I'm touched you take such an interest in what I do.
Yes, I did upgrade--after five tries over a years span. So what? I haven't touched an HF rig yet, and I won't as long if all I can see are hams like you on the other end. I upgraded mainly to help out the VE team in my city who sometimes have trouble getting the needed examiners to hold a test session.
Do yourself a favor--go bother someone who cares about your prejudice.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 20, 2007
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I was 11 when I first learned the code. Did it in one day. The funny part is, that's the last thing I ever learned. It's been downhill ever since...
John K7FD
Posted by
K7FD
on August 19, 2007
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Did it years ago...
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Give me a break. Upgrade now? I don't have to. I passed my Extra a long time ago, back when you had to pass a 20WPM code test. And all the tests before that one were taken before an FCC examiner, except the Novice which was also done the "old-fashioned" way.
What difference did that make? None. Those were the requirements I had to meet. I've had the privilege of enjoying ham radio for 29 years now, the last 15 with all available privileges. If I were just starting out, then today's requirements would be the ones I'd have to meet. That was then and this is now. The requirements are simply different now. It is, what it is. How one acts, and what one does after obtaining the license is far more important than what one had to do to earn the license.
Memo to the new folks - by earning an Amateur Radio License, you are entering a very old, and tradition laden fraternity. Honor those traditions and those who went before you, and you will be welcomed into this fraternity with open arms. Find yourself a good Elmer. A good Elmer will teach you the traditions of this fraternity, and probably teach you how to save a few bucks along the way, too.
Posted by
N8AUC
on August 19, 2007
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Bullspit!
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>>>>>I still remember the words of an old timer (licensed over 60 years): If you passed the test in place at the time and you have your ticket, don't let anybody take away your pleasure with their words--but don't give them reason to either.<<<<<
Yes, except for the lazy no-coders, some of whom have been waiting for over 15 years for the code exam to be dumbed down enough for them to pass. We got one of our own big mouths right here who has been a NCT since 1998 but upgraded when the code exam was dropped. You must be so proud of yourself and your welfare license.
Posted by
OLDFART13
on August 19, 2007
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NO CODE - GREAT!!
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I have been around ham radio since the day I was born, dad = WW4R (now silent key, call reissued), brother = K9IUL - I have operated with one of them at my side for many years - tried to learn code (not hard enough) and didn't get it done. Just walked in and sat down at the ARRL convention and passed my TECH test - probably could pass the GENERAL as well - yippee NO CODE - I'm in and proud of it!!!Oh I don't have my call yet so I guess I don't exist - I'll post it when the FCC issues it if anyone cares - I look forward to contributing and having FUN with the hobby!!!
Hey I'm one of the new breed OLDTIMERS!!
OK let the flames begin!!
Posted by
DOBERMAN
on August 19, 2007
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NO CODE - GREAT!!
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I have been around ham radio since the day I was born, dad = WW4R (now silent key, call reissued), brother = K9IUL - I have operated with one of them at my side for many years - tried to learn code (not hard enough) and didn't get it done. Just walked in and sat down at the ARRL convention and passed my TECH test - probably could pass the GENERAL as well - yippee NO CODE - I'm in and proud of it!!!Oh I don't have my call yet so I guess I don't exist - I'll post it when the FCC issues it if anyone cares - I look forward to contributing and having FUN with the hobby!!!
Hey I'm one of the new breed OLDTIMERS!!
OK let the flames begin!!
Posted by
DOBERMAN
on August 19, 2007
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NO CODE - GREAT!!
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I have been around ham radio since the day I was born, dad = WW4R (now silent key, call reissued), brother = K9IUL - I have operated with one of them at my side for many years - tried to learn code (not hard enough) and didn't get it done. Just walked in and sat down at the ARRL convention and passed my TECH test - probably could pass the GENERAL as well - yippee NO CODE - I'm in and proud of it!!!Oh I don't have my call yet so I guess I don't exist - I'll post it when the FCC issues it if anyone cares - I look forward to contributing and having FUN with the hobby!!!
Hey I'm one of the new breed OLDTIMERS!!
OK let the flames begin!!
Posted by
DOBERMAN
on August 19, 2007
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NO CODE - GREAT!!
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I have been around ham radio since the day I was born, dad = WW4R (now silent key, call reissued), brother = K9IUL - I have operated with one of them at my side for many years - tried to learn code (not hard enough) and didn't get it done. Just walked in and sat down at the ARRL convention and passed my TECH test - probably could pass the GENERAL as well - yippee NO CODE - I'm in and proud of it!!!Oh I don't have my call yet so I guess I don't exist - I'll post it when the FCC issues it if anyone cares - I look forward to contributing and having FUN with the hobby!!!
Hey I'm one of the new breed OLDTIMERS!!
OK let the flames begin!!
Posted by
DOBERMAN
on August 19, 2007
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NO CODE - GREAT!!
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I have been around ham radio since the day I was born, dad = WW4R (now silent key, call reissued), brother = K9IUL - I have operated with one of them at my side for many years - tried to learn code (not hard enough) and didn't get it done. Just walked in and sat down at the ARRL convention and passed my TECH test - probably could pass the GENERAL as well - yippee NO CODE - I'm in and proud of it!!!Oh I don't have my call yet so I guess I don't exist - I'll post it when the FCC issues it if anyone cares - I look forward to contributing and having FUN with the hobby!!!
Hey I'm one of the new breed OLDTIMERS!!
OK let the flames begin!!
Posted by
DOBERMAN
on August 19, 2007
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human race
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<quote K0RGR>
We recruit from the human race - there's no other option.
<unquote>
Sometimes am not that sure.....?
Posted by
VK2GWK
on August 18, 2007
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Wait a minute,
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I see the sentence "No further upgrades available." You can always upgrade to FCC commissioner......wait a minute--that's a downgrade.....never mind!!
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 18, 2007
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I didn't miss the point
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Mr. Author,
My apologies as I couldn't assume from your writing that you were so well-educated. My apologies again for not presuming that you wrote your criticisms in haste and had no time to proof read your post.
I just thought you were another individual on this forum criticizing the educational system but can't spell or write a complete sentence.
I'll just have to join the bandwagon and blame everything on politics and special interest groups. It's much easier to blame "them" and not us.
BTW, K0RGR wrote an excellent post about this survey. He didn't just carp about the state of affairs in amateur radio...he actually offered a worthwhile suggestion.
Posted by
KF6VIY
on August 17, 2007
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No further upgrades available
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Been there, done that - 30 years ago.
Posted by
N3EG
on August 17, 2007
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You missed the point again
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I am an author, but wrote this quickly, so yes, I agree it was a mistake. I am very educated, it was a simple mistake, made in haste. If that is the only dig you have for me, then I am satisfied. Pick your battles wisely
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 17, 2007
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Re: Missing the point
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The following quote is from the response by KB6QXM: "...The issue is shift of politics, catering to the special interests (equipment manufactuers) and lastly catering to our faultering educational system and our lazy population."
Ashh, no truer example of our failing educational system than this respondant. The word is *faltering* not "faultering." And not to mention someone who is too lazy to look up the proper spelling of a word in the dictionary.
Posted by
KF6VIY
on August 17, 2007
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Again?
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"The test also served as a filter to keep rif-raf out of the hobby."
If you still swallow that line, you're naive. It never worked as such. It only worked to keep out those unable or unwilling to learn morse. There was plenty of 'riff-raff' on the HF bands before the test was dropped. If you still believe that old lie that the 'filter' worked, just tune around the HF bands, especially 75-80 mtrs. There's a little less of it now, but listen to those long time HF operators. They make the 'riff-raff' look like saints.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 17, 2007
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This Horse is Fossilized
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The argument never ends. Odd how we never hear any of this silliness on the air.
As I expected, dropping the code has NOT resulted in more hams. But it has resulted in ALL hams now having some kind of HF privileges, which is infinitely healthier for our future.
Isolating our newcomers on VHF was a plain dumb idea, brought about by our worship of the telegraph key.
At least now, all hams have someplace to go when the local repeater gets quiet.
Save yourself the trouble of looking it up - I'm a 42-year Ham who got his Extra in 1975. I have a certificate somewhere for copying 30WPM on paper, and I've won a couple CW Sweepstakes contests from two different ARRL sections.
The finest radio in the world is useless if there's nobody to talk with. The best technical knowledge in the world is less enjoyable if there's nobody to share it with.
It may indeed prove out that there are only so many people with an interest in ham radio, and it doesn't matter what kind of requirements you set, most of those few will somehow pass the tests. I think more likely, this change will open the hobby up to a wider section of the population for both good and bad. We recruit from the human race - there's no other option. Now, we all have lots of work to do to bring the newbies into the hobby. If we don't reach out to them, they will do it their own way, and the result of that amplified ignorance will be devastating.
Posted by
K0RGR
on August 16, 2007
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Missing the point
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As in my earlier post. It is not the code versus no code debate. The issue is shift of politics, catering to the special interests (equipment manufactuers) and lastly catering to our faultering educational system and our lazy population.
Ham radio was originally designed for people to experiment and advance the art of radio communications. Theory tests were baselines for entry into the "brotherhood" of ham radio. Ham radio operators were very technically savy.
The test also served as a filter to keep rif-raf out of the hobby.
If you do not believe me, listen to the bands now.
I firmly believe that these decisions are being made because they are politically correct or influenced by financial pressures.
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 16, 2007
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Perfectly to the point!
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Don't give them reason to either!!
Six perfectly to the point words. Sad so many now seemingly don't have a clue.
Thanks Chris...
73 John WR8D
Posted by
WR8D
on August 16, 2007
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I AM STAYING
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Got my Advanced in 1980. I am Staying. Extra means nothing to me now. Advanced class to Extra? NO way. Heck, the novice class is more respectable. I cant blame those who got caught in this new restructuring, they had to take what was offered. I am strictly CW now. At least I know when I make a QSO the OP on the other end is just as serious as I am about the mode. If the FCC decides to grandfather all Advance class to Extra-then I Quit! As stated, "Ham Radio IS Tradition" also. That tradition is gone forever. I have over 315 VERIFIED DX entities (Honor Roll qualified), The pickings are far and few for me. When a hot DXpedition comes on that is needed, do you know what it feels like to battle with 1000 1KW amps with ops that just dont know how to operate? That have no clue what the correct op procedures are? Who call over the QSO? Who tune up over the DX station? & on and on.. The tradition of respect is gone, the tradition of CW is gone, the tradition of elmering is gone. Thank you LAZYPEOPLEFCCARRLRADIOMANUFACTURERS.
Posted by
KU2US
on August 16, 2007
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The worst part of this whole sorry debacle is the continuing vitriol on the parts of both the 'pro code at any cost' group and the fanatic 'end code testing' group. I say 'group' because there are only a few of them either way--not a 'bunch', not a 'faction', but only a few whose sour grapes or crowing keep them from enjoying this hobby.
I still remember the words of an old timer (licensed over 60 years): If you passed the test in place at the time and you have your ticket, don't let anybody take away your pleasure with their words--but don't give them reason to either.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 16, 2007
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Upgrade!
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I hope everybody avails themselves of the opportunity to upgrade, and as a result of focussed learning, learns more about this hobby.
73
Bob
Posted by
W7ETA
on August 15, 2007
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Just a thought
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One of the worst things to happen is that eHam allows folks to make a comment without having to use thier call sign. I agree with the guy who said "no call sign; you just don't exist".
I did it the hard way TWICE....once at age 13 and then later again at age 57. Oh yes, in between I did manage to pull a P1 with all the endorsements, a PE and a MSEE.
I will say that the hardest part the second time was re-learning code. But, all it took was some time, practice and determination and I got it done.
73's all,
jim kc0nyk
Posted by
KC0NYK
on August 15, 2007
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Code Tests
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I have been licensed nearly 45 years. I passed my General, Advanced, and 13 w.p.m. code test in 1970 at a Federal Building, in front of a stodgy, scary, no nonsense, FCC Field Agent, who was dressed like he was on a Secret Service detail. Test questions were secret then; you had to know the material.
I thought the VE program made things MUCH easier - stress reduced significantly. When they started on-line practice tests for published questions, EASY. No code EASY, ridiculously EASY.
I hated all the "dumbing down", but it's done and it's here....we need to get over it. Lets weldome and encourage our new hams to operate courtesly and learn proper procedures. MENTOR. All this other stuff accomplishes nothing. Let it go -- if I did, everyone can.
Posted by
K9DY
on August 15, 2007
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Code tests still being given
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YOU, TOO, CAN BE A 20WPM EXTRA (OR GENERAL, OR TECHNICIAN)
I see so many comments from people who lament the fact that they missed their chance to "prove" their ability by not being able to take the code test. This is not the case! All it takes is an HF receiver tuned to the W1AW code "qualifying runs" and a small fee for a nice certificate. The schedule is given before the code practice transmissions each night. True, they use the "honor system" but who are you trying to satisfy? Yourself, or others that probably couldn't give a rat's behind anyway? So, if you like code and want to feel like an "old time ham", you still can. Check it out, it's fun.
Tom
Posted by
KB5DPE
on August 15, 2007
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Code tests still being given
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YOU, TOO, CAN BE A 20WPM EXTRA (OR GENERAL, OR TECHNICIAN)
I see so many comments from people who lament the fact that they missed their chance to "prove" their ability by not being able to take the code test. This is not the case! All it takes is an HF receiver tuned to the W1AW code "qualifying runs" and a small fee for a nice certificate. The schedule is given before the code practice transmissions each night. True, they use the "honor system" but who are you trying to satisfy? Yourself, or others that probably couldn't give a rat's behind anyway? So, if you like code and want to feel like an "old time ham", you still can. Check it out, it's fun.
Tom
Posted by
KB5DPE
on August 15, 2007
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Chris, the only ignorant ones here are those anti-code zealots who helped create the problem we now have.....you now are firmly planting your head in the sand, refusing to admit you were WRONG.....come on, turn on the radio and listen to what you and your anti-code friends have created......and be proud of the fact that ham radio will never be the great hobby it used to be....
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 14, 2007
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Baloney.....
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I think I'll again just ignore the ignorant, the no name wonders who know it all. I didn't answer them for a while, but now I'm just going to stop altogether.
If you don't have the guts to identify yourself--you don't exist.......
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 14, 2007
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Jeez, I can't wait until they make the written part of the test easier...after all, it is really holding mnay away from getting into the hobby, right? ;-)
I promise this WILL happen. Too many L A Z Y folks out there, who can't even muster enough gumption to learn even 5 WPM, ( which is basic code recognition), so, how long will it be before ICOMYAESUKENWOOD start whining about the tech exams being too hard. Heck, it's outdated, who builds equipment anyway? We just buy pre-made rigs, antennas,baluns,coax with the connectors on it. Its outdated.....Thats the BS that they shoved down out throats about CW.
Long live the code, and heres to the guys who had enough gumption to learn it!
Posted by
KI9A
on August 14, 2007
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K1CJS said " You just love to stir the pot--so I'll return the favor. "
Chris, you have been "stirring the pot" far more than anyone can remember....what's really obvious here is that you can't take the TRUTH...you were WRONG...the HF bands are FAR WORSE than before the CBers were released on them....I listen to the bands everyday..do you ???
You also didn't "get it" that KB6QXM was speaking about folks like YOU..those that protested so fervently against the code because they didn't have the "gumption" to buckle down and learn it...and the result of this is turning out to be a disaster for the HF bands...
Yes, I will admit that the pro-code folks lost the battle..but the real loser here is ham radio....
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 14, 2007
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sad
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Reading though these posts all I could think is this is just a sad state of affairs.
Posted by
BIRDMAN
on August 14, 2007
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When are you going to get licensed, Mr. John Smith--or whoever you are? I left one thing out of my reply, so I'll say it now. You just love to stir the pot--so I'll return the favor.
You won't even prove you're a licensed ham, but you delight in calling down other licensed hams. Maybe you're just one of those poor uneducated CBers who use those echo boxes and beep boards you malign so much. What's the matter? You know and love morse but can't pass the technician exam?
I've got a lot of patience, but I'm tired of answering a coward who hides behind a CB handle, so put up or shut up. Have the guts to identify yourself or close your piehole.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 14, 2007
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What to do? Well....
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KB6QXM did indeed hit the nail on the head. There is the opportunity to turn things around, but not with the attitude that too many have today. Unfortunately, the only way to do it is with an educational revolution--and that is unlikely to happen.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 14, 2007
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By radio123....
"...there are MANY hams that passed the code test that can't hear at all...have you ever heard of handi-hams ??? They prove that where there is a will, there's a way...the fact is, you have no "will" and never have had any regarding the code....all you've done for the past several years is post anti-code messages blaming all the "elitist" in the hobby for your own lack of "gumption"...
We've now had a chance to see if the "Nirvana" you predicted has happened on the HF bands, and guess what ??? It didn't happen.....all we have gained is a bunch of CB jargon, echo boxes, and roger-beeps....maybe it was what you were used to, but I prefer the way things were..."
Wow..... Things didn't go the way you wanted and now you're so upset that you're misquoting and making false statements.
True, I didn't feel the code test was necessary any longer. True, I said so in no uncertain terms. However, I also said I favored a more stringent written test. I also didn't say the code test dropping would result in a 'nirvana'. I did say things wouldn't be any worse than they were, with the then current general, advanced and extra regulation busters on the bands.
As in all things, the few miscreants give the entire group a bad name. The few bad operators on HF then were the most noticed--and the few bad ops that upgraded to HF now are the ones you notice and are referring to.
I don't condone the use of CB jargon on the ham bands, nor do I condone the use of the audio junk on the ham bands that some CBers use on 11 meters. I still think a more rigorous written testing regiment should be instituted.
You, on the other hand, are still using that 6 inch paint brush on the 1 inch strip of bad operators though. Get over it and open your eyes. There hasn't been the dreaded influx of rule breakers invading the HF bands that you predicted just as there hasn't been the ham nirvana that some claimed would appear.
Why don't you get off your high horse, get your nose out of the clouds and try listening on the HF bands--they're no worse than they used to be. As a matter of fact, if you listen to Riley, they're getting better all the time. Maybe your imagination is just working overtime......
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 14, 2007
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squeaked by 20 wpm
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I barely passed the 20 wpm test (late 1980's at the
Sunnyvale VEC in California). I don't believe I ever was
comfortable copying anything over 15 wpm (22 wpm
Farnsworth-spaced down to 15 wpm), although I've tried!
I own several keys and paddles (ranging from a $5
straight key to a $200 GHD paddle) and -- although I'm
eager -- I get so nervous I probably have the worst fist in
the entire state of Oregon. Can't even get my callsign
straight! ("6" becomes "b" or "th".)
Now about upgrading ... no need for me now, but if this
had happened earlier, I wouldn't have learned CW at all,
sorry to confess. My XYL is a no-code tech and she may
not have gotten her license is there had been a code
requirement.
Posted by
N6UOK
on August 14, 2007
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Tom, W8JI wrote:
"Of course there is no real change in the number of Hams! Who would expect anything else?
CW was never that difficult for those who were so excited and interested in the hobby they really wanted to make an effort. It never stopped anyone who was really interested and was willing to study or work a littl.
The only thing that happened is the Hams we have now just moved around to a higher class."
Of course, because Morse Code testing hasn't been required to become a ham since 1991. That is why this argument about how the code test keeps people from becoming hams carries no weight, because it isn't true.
73s John AA5JG
Posted by
AA5JG
on August 13, 2007
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Appliance Operator Seal of Approval
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Will golly John you don't know me at all and you went on to make a number of assumptions about me, my knowledge of ham radio, operating styles and so forth. For the record, my interest in ham radio and electronics began in 1962. What happens to cw will be determined by those who decide to use it or not use it and no amount of testing will change this or magically improve character. My point, don't live on past glories or you will become a sour puss.
Posted by
KG6AMW
on August 13, 2007
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ooops...KB6QXM hit the nail on the head....
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 13, 2007
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KB6QXH hit the nail on the head....
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 13, 2007
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What to do!
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I agree with a lot of the "old school" hams that the hobby has indeed taken a serious blow by the elimination of code and the almost laughable theory tests.
John-WR8D I believe has a handle on what is going on.
I think that the problem is a lot more serious than just ham radio.
With the removal of the Politically Correct factor, I see it as a very complex trend happening in American Society.
1st-I work in the Silicon Valley, the mecca of intellectual high technology.
We call this area the IC area. Indian and Chinese. Not putting those societies down, they work hard, study hard and become quite educated.
But the trend is this...More and more of the outsourcing to other countries because of the economic advantages and intellectual advantages of other countries. The import of educated workers from other parts of the world, mostly India and China....why do you ask.
The reason is simple. American society has become complacent and lazy. When was the last time you heard a child aspire to be another Albert Einstein? No, we put the focus on athletic figures. The probability of a person becoming a famous sports figure is less than 1% for the entire population.
Many parents are not teaching their kids good work ethic and the value of education.
Our community leaders are also cutting educational budgets when corruption is stealing the funding.
The problem is a lot more complex than dummied down theory test or the elimination of the code.
The bottom line in the elimination of code and the almost give away theory is the simple greed of a an organization that only cares about membership and the almighty dollar versus the integrity of the hobby. You guessed it, the ARRL and the pressure from the equipment manufactuers. You see the old mighty dollar or yen in the equipment arena
I refuse to be a member of an organization that is only worried about making a buck.
You can send mail like this and will you get a response in their defense. No. I know I have done it.
I do not want to sound like a doomsayer, but it is a part of the society unraveling happening. Slowly, but surely.
I have been off the air for almost 18 years. The hobby I left is not the hobby as it is now. I have purchased some tower trailers, as I cannot find any hams to come over to a tower party/BBQ like people did 20 years ago.
It used to mean something to be a ham. People respected hams. I obtained my first job out of college,just because I was a ham.
You can call me an old guy, but I am not.
You sit back and look at the way it is now. I know that some of the new hams do not remember the way it was, but as many people have said, there is no going back.
The anger that I have for the ARRL to take away a hobby based on tradition is beyond words.
If they wanted to dummy down some of the hoob, go for it, but not take away all of the challenge for some of us that want to work for accomplishments.
Like I have said in the past, the hobby was based on traditions, just as my college degree, my black belt in traditional Japanese Karate.
Both of those organizations did not lower their standards because the curriculum was too difficult.
If I return to the air and find it full of rude people,rojer beeps and 10-4 good buddy talk, I will simply just put all of my equipment on the classifieds or a local swap meet and bow out gracefully shaking my head in disgust.
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 13, 2007
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K1CJS said "It isn't so much the ability to learn the code as it is the ability to discern the sounds. I have severe tinnitus, and the sounds of the dits and the dahs seem to run into each other when I try concentrating on them."
You and I both know it has NOTHING to do with this...there are MANY hams that passed the code test that can't hear at all...have you ever heard of handi-hams ??? They prove that where there is a will, there's a way...the fact is, you have no "will" and never have had any regarding the code....all you've done for the past several years is post anti-code messages blaming all the "elitist" in the hobby for your own lack of "gumption"...
We've now had a chance to see if the "Nirvana" you predicted has happened on the HF bands, and guess what ??? It didn't happen.....all we have gained is a bunch of CB jargon, echo boxes, and roger-beeps....maybe it was what you were used to, but I prefer the way things were...
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 13, 2007
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Lower standards means lower intelligence
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Mr. Blackburn hit the nail right on the head! John, your explanation of why theres bitching going on was very well said. I couldnt agree more with you sir.
Posted by
KE4ZHN
on August 13, 2007
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Wow!!!!!!
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"Many of you highnose types insist that this trend is going to save the hobby... This is the new blood that was needed... What do most of them have to contribute? Not a damn thing other than an arrl membership."
Wow, John!! I didn't know that I was going to strike a nerve. Take it easy. I don't consider myself as a highnose.
The 9 paragraphs that you generated are the same that we've ALL read for the past several months here on eHam (which is the internet...not ham radio), and I'm sure the same that has been displayed for years before. Very fine and well.
Most of the hot head replies/comments to the posts that I read are quite amusing. I wonder what one thinks who wants to get into ham radio after reading some of the crap that's posted daily on this site. Oops!! That's right. This is the internet, huh? They should be able to find a real elmer at a local club. hi hi.
Yes, there is a G after the K in my call sign, so that makes me a newbie. I'm pretty thick skinned I can handle the "pot shots" and "hazing". But, like most in here, folks tend to judge a book only by it's cover and nothing else.
For the record, I was never one to scream "gimmie-gimmie" to the ARRL, or anybody else for that matter, AND i never operated a CB. I took the "watered down" test that was offered at the time... and PASSED. My transmissions are legal, and no harmful interference to others. How many times do we hear others tune up with their amps during a pile up, or spew all that crap on 75M that I hear most evenings? I know...spin that big round knob if I don't like it.
And, if you read down this "survey" thread, I posted this simple comment:
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<Know Code General>
Upgraded to General before the Element 1 was dropped.
From MY own perspective, I'm glad I did.
Extra is next.
End of story
73
KG6WLS
Mike
Posted by KG6WLS on August 7, 2007
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So, there you have it. I work and enjoy all modes when time allows, I've homebrewed, built kits, built antennas, and SWL'r for many years before I got my ticket.
Hope to work you on the bands!!
73 de KG6WLS
Posted by
KG6WLS
on August 13, 2007
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The sky is always falling either way you see it
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Dropping the code has NOT been the boon to ham radio that was predicted. No inrush of new applicants.
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Yup, and if it did happen to bring in a new influx of new people to the bands. I suspect you would start hearing people start complaining about the bands being so over crowded because they have been taken over by so many CB'ers that they can't even get a word in edgewise.
Anyone besides me remember people saying that would happen?
Some people, either way you look at things, always seem to be thinking the sky as always falling in one direction or another.
Example:
Bad Thing: We have too many people on the bands.
Bad Thing: We don't have enough people on the bands.
Hurry up and make up your minds already will ya?
lol
Posted by
KC8VWM
on August 13, 2007
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Dropping the code has NOT been the boon to ham radio that was predicted. No inrush of new applicants. Pitty poor arrl, who thought that it would create a flood of new cash. arrl angered the existing pool of hams without expanding it. OOOps!
Douuuugh!
Posted by
W9WHE-II
on August 13, 2007
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Why there is "bitching"!!
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KG6WLS, the debate is over. Now the proof is in the pudding as they say. It's not really about doing away with the code requirement, it's really the lowering of the standards which envolved making the tests just easier. Also the doing away of the hardest to earn license class which was the advance...just so a newbie would have an easier way to make it to the hambands.
Most say it's just a hobby, which it is. It used to be a hobby though full of respectable people...sure every once and a while some weirdo would come along but sooner or later they'd sink out of sight. Now every freeband outlaw cber in the nation can bring his disrespectful attitude and his cb jargon to the amateur bands..along with his echo box for ssb audio...and i've even heard a roger beep on 40 meter phone.
Where's the ignorance going to stop at. The tests have been made so easy now one can go from cb to extra class in no time....then there they are at the top amateur class and have no knowledge of how to cut a simple dipole for a single band, and in many cases no clue about "on the air practices". They just operate like they did on cb. I've heard them keying up on qso's in progress and ignoring the other qso and literally taking the frequency. I've also heard two of them come onto a freq in use and try to talk over the qso and then just start making those idiot noises like they do on cb because they could'nt take the freq. Nothing but pure cb pranks. The old saying is it's got to get worse before it can get better but how much worse can we stand it to get.
Most of them are just after the microphone so thank goodness we've still got the digital modes and cw to do some hammning on. It's not right for any of us older hams to think we're better than some of them....but i've been told that's the honest problem by several others "we just are". There's some kind of an evolutionary gap "hi hi" or a learning gap or call it just plain ole common sense...but there's something the hell wrong with many of them and how they're acting on the bands.
Don't get me wrong though i've worked many a new ham that are really fine operators. They've been respectful and strive to operate their stations correct. The problem is with the bad element coming into the hobby. Unchecked they're giving them all a bad name. Then when someone gets on one of these threads and complains they're called the radio police etc.
If more of us don't start to stand up to these weirdo's on the bands instead of turning the vfo as Riley suggests, in a very short time amateur radio just won't be what it has been for all these years. By standing up i'm talking about doing a recording and time stamping it with the frequency and then sending to Riley. Believe me he will so something about these individuals if we give him something to go on. We're going to have to stop turning a deaf ear and blind eye to this junk being heard on the bands now or it's gonna be to late for the hobby of amateur radio. The monitoring stations are gone now. Nobody sits around and listens to the amateur bands looking for part 97 rule breakers like they once did. We're supposed to self police our bands and it's past the time for us all to start taking a part in this.
Look what happened to 11 meters that used to be one of our bands...look what's happened to most of the repeaters in many areas due to just letting these types come into the hobby unchecked and unschooled on just normal amateur operating practices.
Think about the future of amateur radio and where it's going if we let it go like we're seeing and hearing it now. If i wanted to be a cber i'd buy myself a cobra cb put myself up a cb antenna and have at it. We're slowing being "devolved" from the inside out. This can not be argued by anyone active on the bands listening to this crap as it happens either.
Well like i said in the beginning and now i'll close and get away from this aggravation. It's not just the cw requirement and about a code/nocode debate. It's about the total mess envolved with the lowering of our standards and requirements. Lowering requirements and expectations equals allowing people of low standards especially moral standards to get into this hobby. The end result is what we are hearing on the bands right now as we speak.
Many of you highnose types insist that this trend is going to save the hobby... This is the new blood that was needed... What do most of them have to contribute? Not a damn thing other than an arrl membership.
Nuff said from just a concerned amateur operator!!
73 John Blackburn WR8D
Posted by
WR8D
on August 13, 2007
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1) It has turned into a bit more than a survey.
2) Friend I am sympathetic as I also have tinnitus. I find the spoken word my problem. The pitch of a cw signal can be adjusted to something other than that awful sound in our ears. Give it another try.
3) As a General class from 1980 who took my exam in a Federal building I am not happy with some recent FCC decisions. But I have gotten over it. Anyway, I usually hang around the CW QRP calling frequencies. And, hey, let the DX stations look for me once in a while.
73
Posted by
W2RDD
on August 13, 2007
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I thought this was a survey?
It turned into another typical eHam "no code / know code" flame war.
Carry on Gents :)
Posted by
KG6WLS
on August 13, 2007
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Another language
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John-KB2HSH said:
"......where the one gentleman told another that he would LIKE to be ham, but just couldn't learn CW. I have a hard time buying that line. CW is a group of sounds......"
It isn't so much the ability to learn the code as it is the ability to discern the sounds. I have severe tinnitus, and the sounds of the dits and the dahs seem to run into each other when I try concentrating on them.
Now maybe it'll be said that I could learn it visually--which is true, and I am. However, could I use it unless I had a special setup (visual receiver) where I was? No. Could I understand it if I heard it? Doubtful--very doubtful.
I would just ask that some of you die-hards put yourself in the other guys shoes. There are some who can't learn code the conventional way. Can't. Not won't.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 13, 2007
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Still bitchin?
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Maybe it was a bad idea to drop code testing, maybe it wasn't. Morse does have its uses, but these days it is not needed as much as it used to be--these days morse is more of a mode of enjoyment.
Modern communications have moved away from the need for morse to get the message through. Its called progress. Progress has also resulted in the dropping of the morse test requirement. Morse code is still important--but not as much as it used to be, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Its surprizing how many people lose site of the fact that amateur radio is a hobby. Whether it is because of the 'scientific proof' that is lacking in the design and construction of an antenna or because a past mainstay of ham radio communication has been determined to be not as important as it used to be, some hams go from being a person who enjoys the bands to a gung-ho, up in arms radical. Someone who is ready and willing to skin alive anybody who goes against their sacred ideals.
It is way past time to put the code testing debacle behind us and combine our talents to make sure amateur radio continues into the future--and I would be saying the exact same thing if code testing was retained.
Posted by
K1CJS
on August 13, 2007
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Wow...quick with the name-calling.
Touch a nerve, did I ??
I stated my OPINION. Some may not agree, some may. It may be right, and it may not. It's a matter of preference. And, it's yet another glaring example of how standards are being relaxed throughout society in many areas, such as languages not being required in some school districts, etc. (On my road test for my Driver's License, my examiner wasn't too worried about me wearing a SEAT BELT. I called his bluff, and took the test without wearing it...and I still passed it!) Sure, I agree, CW isn't the cutting edge mode anymore. Heck, the fact that 500 KC isn't monitored for International Maritime Distress proves that.
It seems as though there are MANY more Extras these days than in the past. Why? No 20 WPM. I overheard a conversation at a hamfest a few years back, where the one gentleman told another that he would LIKE to be ham, but just couldn't learn CW. I have a hard time buying that line. CW is a group of sounds, no different than any other language. I would be willing to wager that the less than average American can say phrases from different languages that would equal the amount of 26 letters, 10 numbers, and some simple punctuation. Try it: si in Spanish, ja in German...etc. You get the idea.
But, it is what it is. And if anyone on here thinks less of me (expletives included) that is their/your right. I just wrote how I feel.
Cheers.
John HSH
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KB2HSH
on August 12, 2007
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Worked hard
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I worked hard and long to pass the Element 1 - 5 wpm telegraphy exam in September of last year so that I could get on the HF spectrum and really glad I did. I don't know if I would have made the effort if passing the exam were not required. Now I'm hooked on CW and, exam or not, pushing myself to get up to a speed where I can play with the big guys. I since upgraded to General and Extra but would not have been able to do so under the old regime at least not without more practice.
Posted by
KF6JZE
on August 12, 2007
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Need an Elite class now
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How about an Elite Class, a notch above Extra Class? You would have to pass a 25, no 30 wpm code exam. I'm not sure what extra freqs. you would gain though. I love being an elitist.. defined in ham radio as a person who is proud of their accomplishments, and that they cannot be taken away from me. To those who have upgraded due to waiting it out, congrats, you got what you wanted.
Posted by
WB4M
on August 12, 2007
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No real change
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Of course there is no real change in the number of Hams! Who would expect anything else?
CW was never that difficult for those who were so excited and interested in the hobby they really wanted to make an effort. It never stopped anyone who was really interested and was willing to study or work a littl.
The only thing that happened is the Hams we have now just moved around to a higher class.
People just have to face the fact that things in the world change. Being able to communicate long distances with strangers and/or learn about the rest of the world no longer requires either Ham radio or Shortwave radio.
Keeping in touch with friends or family, making calls from the car, communicating while walking around...it can all be done by anyone now for next to nothing....and it doesn't require a license.
The hobby really won't change no matter what we do or don't do. It's the world that drives the hobby, not the other way around.
For the most part all we can do is move the people who are interested around INSIDE the hobby.
73 Tom
Posted by
W8JI
on August 12, 2007
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"I won't upgrade simply because I don't want to be branded as a lazy-ass that waited till the requirements softened. General: Till Death do us part. Posted by KB2HSH on August 12, 2007"
WOW -- I have never seen anyone so worried about what others thought. Perhaps its not that others may think of you as a lazy-ass, but that you ARE actually a lazy-ass!!!
EXTRA AND PROUD OF IT.
Posted by
N7JJ
on August 12, 2007
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Won't
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I for one, won't be upgrading to "Extra". There's no incentive to. I passed Novice at 16. OK. I took the Tech Plus test. OK again. Then I took the 13 wpm General. Life got in the way, and the rules changed...so now I'm stuck in the know code vs No Code debate. I won't upgrade simply because I don't want to be branded as a lazy-ass that waited till the requirements softened.
General: Till Death do us part.
Posted by
KB2HSH
on August 12, 2007
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Won't
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I for one, won't be upgrading to "Extra". There's no incentive to. I passed Novice at 16. OK. I took the Tech Plus test. OK again. Then I took the 13 wpm General. Life got in the way, and the rules changed...so now I'm stuck in the know code vs No Code debate. I won't upgrade simply because I don't want to be branded as a lazy-ass that waited till the requirements softened.
General: Till Death do us part.
Posted by
KB2HSH
on August 11, 2007
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Lied To By ARRL...
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Well, I think we have now proved that the removal of the morse requirement didn't attract "new blood" to the hobby like the ARRL promised...all it did was to allow those that never had the "gumption" to work for anything to have access to the HF bands...and listening to the bands, it really shows....WR8D is 100 percent correct in his observations...oh, and count me as one of those that "don't have to upgrade"...I worked hard and EARNED my ticket...20 wpm Extra...
Posted by
RADIO123US
on August 11, 2007
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Don't be bitter
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Like it or not there is no going back now, you can help us learn, or sit back and bitterly complain while we change the way things were always done. Change is hard, and something that we humans are opposed to, but it's time to face the facts.
I remember CB and I still own one. I even had a license, KPA1583. (wonder if that is still valid?) There are still some nice people on there and we can't let a few knuckle heads be the label that the rest of us have to wear.
I've maintained an informal Ham and Short Wave 'Listening Post" for many years. Heard alot of nice folks on the Ham bands from all over the world. I now have the ticket I needed to learn (and spend). I never thought that I knew it all, and hopefully will never get to that point. So, come down off of the high horse and talk to us no code folks. You may just learn to like us too. Quite frankly I do too many other things well to worry about not being able to learn code. I'm glad that there are those who like CW and are proficient at it. There wll always be new blood for CW. But I can play the Guitar and Sing and I know that everone else can't do that. 73s Jim KB3PMQ
Posted by
KB3PMQ
on August 11, 2007
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...Some things are worth repeating so:
Posted by AI2IA on August 5, 2007
"AMATEUR RADIO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF. Be happy, or be miserable - that is your choice!"
...Well said.
It seems this advice equally applies regardless of any particular license class or operating mode.
In addition, it's been my experience that "skill" is not necessarily defined by the the piece of paper which indicates the operators license class. This is because the operators license class is only the starting point and not intended as the final conclusion.
Rather, it's the ability of the individual who chooses to continue with their learning pursuits and class of the operator which more accurately defines and demonstrate any such level of skill they may or may not have acquired.
Have a good evening.
73 de Charles - KC8VWM
Posted by
KC8VWM
on August 11, 2007
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Needs to be said!!!
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Merrill..mister G call thats not been a ham very long ... you seem to be interested in stirring it a little so i can't resist. At one time there was respect among all amateurs. Now with any cber being able to go from outlaw freebander to extra class amateur license in 30 days respect is just about a thing of the past among us.
Quality of individuals coming into the hobby has dropped due to the arrl and their new membership drive. What we're hearing on the bands is what you guys wanted. These new thirty day wonders are going to save our hobby. Yeah sure, all most of them know how to do is pick up the mic after they punch the power on button. Oh and they have to buy a G5RV due to the lack of knowledge to cut and make themselves a "homemade dipole".
I guess the old saying about ignorance being bliss is true from the sounds of most of them. Change is not always good and it was not a good choice to turn every cber in the US loose on our hf bands.
Now don't start with me either on me being an elite 20wpm old fart extra. I love this hobby and have enjoyed it for many years and hope to have many more years in it. I just despise the way the new cb extra is making our bands sound with their echo boxes and their cb jargon and lack of respect toward each other. I also dislike your comments directed at some of our older amateurs which are more than likely your betters. Understand om??? Clearly you show disrespect at anyone with more years invested and knowledge of amateur radio...than yourself...but that's just the way most of you newbies are isn't it!!
If this is what you refer to as some of us living in the past then hell, we better get back to living that way.
As far as going out and doing it all again i recently took three online extra exams and passed them all. I've not studied in over fifteen years so that should let anyone in on just how much the requirements have been "dumbed down". I'm just a dozer operator here in Wv. If i can pass those tests anyone can, especially the old code requirement.
Now go try to stir it somewhere else om. Amateur radio isn't glorified cb even though so many of you are trying to turn it into that.
There will always now be a split in our amateur ranks due to attitudes just like yours. When ever you guys show up with that little chip on your shoulder sooner or later one of us will step up to the plate and knock it off for you. Now go back to hf with your cb buddies and your echo boxes and tell them you pissed a radio operator off with your sissy whinning about living in the past.
John Blackburn WR8D
Sometimes it just needs to be said!!!
Posted by
WR8D
on August 11, 2007
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Moving forward.
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The fact is the old-old consolation tech (5 words at 13 WPM, reading schematics to calculating dropping resistor values) was harder than the current Extra (no code and glancing over a question pool)
Moving beyond that, it's time to relight the Ham Radio spirit.
Here's what I'm doing. I'm encouraging folks who can to get out to Hamfests, spend a little money, get out in the sun and walk the flea market. I do that every weekend when there's a 'fest within an hours drive. Nothing better than walking a flea market for 2 hours, carrying a 20 pound battery.
I'm working my radios, old boatanchors (CX7A, 75S-1, SB-104A) and learning about the newer technology too. I've been reading up on SDR's. Although 60 years old, 1st licensed in 1963, I have an M.S. Computer Science (1992).
If I can read and write C/C++ anyone can.
It's time to move forward.
de ah6gi/4 Have an Extra, upgrading myself and my skills.
Posted by
AH6GI
on August 11, 2007
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Past Glories
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Sure a lot people living on past glories around here. Time to go out and do again.
Posted by
KG6AMW
on August 11, 2007
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UpGrade, don't have to
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I am proud of the fact that I am a watered down Extra.
Upgraded to Extra when 20 wpm Code was still required. I was in the last group to take the code test in front of an FCC official in Chicago before the VEC came into vogue.
Saw one comment in here from someone calling the Extra Class License watered down.
Well sonny, your license and this hobby are what you make of it yourself. There is always someone around to give an answer or give you needed help and a boost so don't belittle the License or the Hobby because you don't have enough whiskers yet.
De KB9XN
In the call book since 1977 and proud of it!
Posted by
KB9XN
on August 10, 2007
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Why bother?
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Im an advanced and quite happy that way thank you very much. I have no need or desire to "upgrade" to a watered down extra.
Posted by
KE4ZHN
on August 10, 2007
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Hell, I was there!
Posted by
K4JPF
on August 10, 2007
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Token 5.
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5 wpm was always nothing more than a token, a start. 5 wpm was never intended to be useful, and it still isn't useful without the intention to gain speed. Anyway... so ultimately, it probably never really mattered once the situation was dumbed down to 5wpm. If a person did 5wpm with the intention of going no further, it did not matter anyway.
Posted by
NT4XT
on August 10, 2007
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Living In The Past?
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Sure a lot people living in the past around here. Time to wake up and move on.
Posted by
KG6AMW
on August 10, 2007
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Let it go
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It is what it is, isn't it? Why the diatribe? Just let, let it go....
Peace,
Brian Jett/ NN4P Maybe I'll earn my way to Heaven.......? hmmmmmmmm
Posted by
AI4IT
on August 9, 2007
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No code, not by choice
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I passed my tech a few years back with the intention of passing Element 1. I got my code up to around 10 wpm solid, then panicked in the exam room. At that same session, I passed Element 3. When I left, I started practicing again. Whilst I was practicing, The "omnibus" R&O came out. I looked for test sessions in my area, but could not make any before the R&O took effect. Since then, I passed my General and Extra (currently waiting for the FCC database to make the update, but operating /AE)
I continue to practice my code, and work SSB and digital when time allows.
Am I upset about the dumbing down? I personally don't see it that way. We are the last users of Code in the modern world, and, although it is a valuable tool in the ham's arsenal of communication, it has been eclipsed by more reliable and efficient modes in the commercial and governmental world, and has as such fallen from the airwaves and into the history books. Is it a sad thing that it was dropped? Absolutely. Can we see it as the end of an era? Definitely. Does it mean the end of the code, or even worse, ham radio? Most certainly not. We hold in our hands the future of our hobby, and it is up to us, not the FCC or the ARRL, but the users of our spectrum, to decide what that future entails.
If you feel our hobby is being "dumbed down", then find ways to bring it back up to the cutting edge, develop new modes, explore new techniques, otherwise explore and enhance the radio art. That is what we are here to do, and that is what we must do in order to maintain our ability to do what we do.
Sorry, I got on a soapbox I don't have the knowledge or experience to step on, but it needed to be said.
Steven, KI4OGD/AE
Posted by
KI4OGD
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced class forever!
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Advanced class licensees unite!!!
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced class forever!
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Advanced class licensees unite!!!
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced class forever!
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Advanced class licensees unite!!!
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 9, 2007
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The challenge is gone
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Now that the hobby has been dummied down, I see no need to upgrade and be one of the many in the huge field of Extra Class operators. I feel insulted that the challenge of 20 wpm was taken away from me. I want to stay an Advanced class to make a statement that I earned my license the hard way, through dilengence and hard work. I did not have the bar lowered so that I could pass over it.
Life is based on tradition. When I went to college, did my University say "oh I see that it is too hard for you, so forget those units. No, I buckled down, worked hard and kept my GPA and passed my classes.
When I was earning my Blackbelt in Traditional Karate, did my instructors say "oh I see that this is too hard for you, so don't worry that you cannot do that kata(form) or that your kumite is poor. No I trained more and more until I could finally pass.
When I went to pass my 13WPM for my general, was it easy. No, it wasn't. I had to take the code test many times. I just got stronger and through focus and desire, I finally gained the skill to pass.
The taking away of challenges based on traditions does not make our society better, it makes us worst. This is the reason why the US has to import a good portion of our intellectual workforce because the present generation believes that they deserve a free ride.
Stop whining and just do it and you will be proud you took the challenge and were successful. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!
Posted by
KB6QXM
on August 9, 2007
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Tech to Extra
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I passed all the written exams before the CW requirement went away. It took a while but I passed the CW test and went from a No-code Tech to a "Slow-Code" Extra or "Light" Extra.
I will never use CW and feel it as a waste of time learning. If I want to do digital I use PSK31.
My XYL passed the tests and is a No-Code Extra and I am very proud of her.
My challenge to the folks that have been Hams for years (Some longer than I have been alive) is to go for the tests again. With all the hype of how easy it is to pass, go try. If it is so easy you should become Extra and ace the tests. If you are not prepared to take the challenge then at least have the courtesy to come back to the KC call signs when they are calling CQ. Welcome them to the hobby as you once were.
Posted by
KC2KIS
on August 9, 2007
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Tech to Extra
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I passed all the written exams before the CW requirement went away. It took a while but I passed the CW test and went from a No-code Tech to a "Slow-Code" Extra or "Light" Extra.
I will never use CW and feel it as a waste of time learning. If I want to do digital I use PSK31.
My XYL passed the tests and is a No-Code Extra and I am very proud of her.
My challenge to the folks that have been Hams for years (Some longer than I have been alive) is to go for the tests again. With all the hype of how easy it is to pass, go try. If it is so easy you should become Extra and ace the tests. If you are not prepared to take the challenge then at least have the courtesy to come back to the KC call signs when they are calling CQ. Welcome them to the hobby as you once were.
Posted by
KC2KIS
on August 9, 2007
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Tech2General2Extra
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I got my Tech in 1995, played around a bit on 2m, and then mostly dropped the whole thing for 12 years (with a few half-hearted attempts to learn code.) Back in May this year got bit by the bug again, passed my General in June, and my Extra in July, and am now awaiting my vanity call.
I still haven't gotten on the air on HF, but I have an Icom IC-751A waiting on the bench, and I'm expecting a SmallWonderLabs SW+40 kit which I will build following the "Elmer 101" instructions. Of course, building a QRP CW kit means... I'll have to learn code! So I'm working on it.
Posted by
KE6TAW
on August 9, 2007
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Adv to Extra
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I'm an Advanced class and will stay there until the FCC completely does away with it. I have no inclination to take the new extra test. I passed the old one the year they did away with the 20wpm but decided to keep my advanced and never went back in with the certificate to upgrade. The Advanced class license is my proof I'm a KNOW code kinda guy. No other license class has that distinction. Plus I kinda like being a dinosaur.
Posted by
N5KBP
on August 9, 2007
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SURVEY & UPGRADE
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Interesting comments on the topic and I do not hold anything against anyone for what
class of ticket or code speed was or was not acquired.
When I enlisted in the army (ASA) in the late 50's they confronted me with learning
CW or else. The else was being reverted to being a cook or some other assignment maybe
not so pleasant. Gosh and now I love cooking too!
Anyway it was not easy for me to learn the code but in large classes at Fort Devens it
was sink or swim so to speak. Finally made it through at 22 WPM along with some other
training.
Then OJT out in the field with trying to copy all sorts of CW signals was also the
next challenge. My problem in the end was not having much experience of sending. And
I cannot brag about that fact even today.
I kept my novice ticket from Dec 1983 to May of 1985. Then went in and passed my
13 & 20 WPM along with taking exams and passed my advanced. Went back sometime later
to take my extra written. With that I do not regard myself any better ham than
anyone else.
I enjoy numerous facets of ham radio and for now it is mostly HF nets primarily voice but
also some CW. If anyone would like to check into the Indiana Traffic Nets contact me and
will be glad to provide the data.
I can only speak for our local radio club that a lot of hams came out of the CB world
and represent some of our best and most courteous and disciplined operators.
I am sorry to say that from my experience it appears that a lot of the old timers are
the primary ones that QRM nets & QSO sessions. The swearing and other foul talk is
amazing; thankfully some have been shut down plus considering the number of licensed
operators they are just a few. But those few can serve to spoil some of the
ham radio fun.
Again want to emphasize I have nothing to brag about far as a class of license. One
old timer wisely said to me years ago a class of ticket do not a ham radio operator
make or words to that effect.
We are also proud of our small club even though at times it gets difficult at times
to keep things going. You can read about it at URL http://www.wcarc.org/ enjoy and have
fun in ham radio.
Don ka9qwc@arrl.net
Posted by
KA9QWC
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced to Extra
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Upgrading to extra is not worth the time and effort for what you gain.
The only advantage I can see is the Ego thing.
I have a commercial ticket that means more to me than extra. That is my ego thing.
Posted by
WD4CHP
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced to Extra
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Upgrading to extra is not worth the time and effort for what you gain.
The only advantage I can see is the Ego thing.
I have a commercial ticket that means more to me than extra. That is my ego thing.
Posted by
WD4CHP
on August 9, 2007
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Advanced to Extra
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Upgrading to extra is not worth the time and effort for what you gain.
The only advantage I can see is the Ego thing.
I have a commercial ticket that means more to me than extra. That is my ego thing.
Posted by
WD4CHP
on August 9, 2007
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Extra since 99
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Since I had a 4th wave of getting more active in the late 90s (new tower, new rig, son got his license) I bit the bullet and the got a 5wpm Extra in 99. I am not a big CW op although can copy 15-18 wpm ok and probably could have got over 20 to get the old model Extra, but just decided in 99 for a favorite hobby why not have the top tier license. Other than upgrading to a 1x2 call (after 30+ years with the old call, boy that was tough) I am not sure of the other real Extra advantages but it's done, never to do it again. And I will never "snob" anyone for being an Extra. As president of our local club it's really up to us experienced hams to "elmer" and mentor new hams into our hobby, answering basic questions we take for granted by a new ham iwho is stumped. I have always been more into HF than 2m FM and there are a lot of Techs that want to upgrade to General near term!
73s K0VH in SE MN
Posted by
K0VH
on August 8, 2007
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Extra since 99
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Since I had a 4th wave of getting more active in the late 90s (new tower, new rig, son got his license) I bit the bullet and the got a 5wpm Extra in 99. I am not a big CW op although can copy 15-18 wpm ok and probably could have got over 20 to get the old model Extra, but just decided in 99 for a favorite hobby why not have the top tier license. Other than upgrading to a 1x2 call (after 30+ years with the old call, boy that was tough) I am not sure of the other real Extra advantages but it's done, never to do it again. And I will never "snob" anyone for being an Extra. As president of our local club it's really up to us experienced hams to "elmer" and mentor new hams into our hobby, answering basic questions we take for granted by a new ham iwho is stumped. I have always been more into HF than 2m FM and there are a lot of Techs that want to upgrade to General near term!
73s K0VH in SE MN
Posted by
K0VH
on August 8, 2007
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Happy where I am!
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I'm a general and happy where I am. I have very little ego.
Posted by
KB2SMS
on August 8, 2007
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Extra CW segment
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If you 13 WPM generals want access to the Extra CW subband just take the written test and get your Extra. Is it fair you had to do 13 WPM to get your privileges and the new Extras don't have a code requirement? No. Is there anything you can do about it? No. Is it fair that a no code Extra gets the same privileges we 20 WPM extras do? Probably not but it is the way the requirements are now. Personally I think the Extra class would have been the place to retain a code requirement. But it's over now.
Posted by
KQ9J
on August 8, 2007
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Not yet but...
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I was granted my Tecnician Licence 7/5/06. I found I didn't much care for the repeater scene, and although I soon found 2M SSB, I found myself longing for the off continent contacts I heard on an old Tempo One rig back around 1987... I began studying for general, with the intention of testing a month after I began. I was trying to learn the general material and CW at the same time, and I got my CSCE for general at the session, I flunked the CW so bad the VE was making fun of my test. I did copy some characters correctly though.
With the General CSCE in hand, I waited and waited for the EL 1 to be dropped.
When the FCC made the announcement, I immediatley began studying for the Extra Exam, because I figured if I had to pay the test session fee to just upgrade, I may as well test... I only missed one question on the Exam, and I received my /AE on the first test session date available after they dropped the EL 1.
I've been having alot of fun. That's the point folks. Having fun. it's been everything I could've wanted. I've worked 6 of the 7 continents, and probably about 40 of the 50 states. I still do alot of 2m ssb too!
I've found myself wondering about learning CW again.. I think I could do it if I built myself a practice setup where I could send it back to my computer instead of trying to memorizing it. After all, I'm sure I didn't learn English by simply memorizing it. I was trying to imitate the sound of the words.
When I get bored, I'll take a little time to learn the code, and hopefully, I'll find some others I can communicate with using CW. Have fun Everyone, and Enjoy yourselves. 73. K9WJL
Posted by
KC9JTQ
on August 8, 2007
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Tech2Extra
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I can really identify with KG4RUL, for more than 40 years I too struggled with CW. I just cannot copy CW, the brain and the ears just do not make any sense of the sound. When the code requirements were eased a friend suggested I take the Tech test and I passed the General without any study. When the CW requirement was dropped I passed the Extra class exam without difficulty. I would like to do CW but it does doesn't work for me. I real enjoy the world of ham radio even if CW is not a mode that I can work.
Posted by
AB3EN
on August 8, 2007
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Don't want to upgrade
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Although the Extra class would offer a tiny addition of more privileges, I'm going to continue to wear my "red badge of courage" and keep my Advanced Class license.
Posted by
WY3X
on August 8, 2007
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Extra before no code
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Passed the written exams for all class's and also 20 wpm did this is a couple of years from 0 wpm to 20 now I am around 10-12 and not very active enjoy your radios I will build and fly my RC planes
Posted by
AE4NR
on August 8, 2007
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I upgraded
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I learned code in the Navy. I graduated radioman school at 16 WPM but once in the fleet never used it much anymore. When I got discharged in 1971 I immediately got my General and then upgraded a few years later to Advanced. I was lazy and never tried to increase my code speed. Probably because code was not my preferred mode. When they dropped the 20 WPM requirement for Extras I immediately became an Extra.
Posted by
W1QWT
on August 8, 2007
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Nothing to General
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I've been interested in Radio since I was a kid listening to Gramdma's short wave radio. Having spent many of my 5000 hours of Navy flight time operating on HF voice, TTY, and other Comm circuits, I'd have to say that I can still fish information out of useless noise better than most. I learned to send code at a reasonable rate and could verify someone elses code with copy, but never had to learn two way CW communications, and didn't.
So here I am long retired from the Navy and I've spent 36 years working in the fields of electronics and communications. I tried for many years to get the decode side of my brain to work. As embarasing as it is to admit, I just never got the hang of it. I'm still interested and now have more incentive than ever to learn. I passed the Tech exam and decided to go for the "2 fer" and passed my General exam as well. I got to finally fire up the equipment that I bought 5 years ago in anticipation of "learning code". I know the value of code, it is an undeniable communications asset. Old fasioned? No. I'd say "enduring". I'll get it someday, but now I can learn and participate in the rest of Ham Radio.
73 Jim
KB3PMQ
Posted by
KB3PMQ
on August 7, 2007
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Nothing to General
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I've been interested in Radio since I was a kid listening to Gramdma's short wave radio. Having spent many of my 5000 hours of Navy flight time operating on HF voice, TTY, and other Comm circuits, I'd have to say that I can still fish information out of useless noise better than most. I learned to send code at a reasonable rate and could verify someone elses code with copy, but never had to learn two way CW communications, and didn't.
So here I am long retired from the Navy and I've spent 36 years working in the fields of electronics and communications. I tried for many years to get the decode side of my brain to work. As embarasing as it is to admit, I just never got the hang of it. I'm still interested and now have more incentive than ever to learn. I passed the Tech exam and decided to go for the "2 fer" and passed my General exam as well. I got to finally fire up the equipment that I bought 5 years ago in anticipation of "learning code". I know the value of code, it is an undeniable communications asset. Old fasioned? No. I'd say "enduring". I'll get it someday, but now I can learn and participate in the rest of Ham Radio.
73 Jim
KB3PMQ
Posted by
KB3PMQ
on August 7, 2007
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code
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I have worked nothing but cw for over 30 years. I never had a tech or general, went from novice to advance, then later to extra. Code didnt come easy to me, but I used my novice license to get up to 13wpm and advanced to get speed up to 20wpm. That was the whole intent of the licensing system years ago. Now everybody thinks each license is a stepping stone instead of an opportunity to upgrade via on-air time.
Posted by
WB8ICU
on August 7, 2007
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5wpm Extra
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I never used the 5wpm exam as an excuse of "Why I can't" upgrade. I spend the time and learned the code. I feel better that I learned the code and upgraded instead of waiting. That is not to say that I think I am any better; because I'm not. I'm just glad I upgraded before the requirment was dropped.
Posted by
AD6WL
on August 7, 2007
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No Code General
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I attended an evening class when I was 11 (I still have the Radio Shack teaching tape that says 1976 on it)to learn CW and become a novice. I attended regularly, and practiced at home but became very frustrated that I couldn't get up to the required speed. One night in class another boy who was about my age and who came to class with his father became so distraught that he burst into tears and was inconsolable for such a long time his father finally had to take him home early. I don't think that they ever came back, I wouldn't know because I never went back. I was so mad at Morse Code for causing such intense pain and shame to this poor kid that my interest in ham radio ended right there, besides I would have never been able to buy the equipment needed to have my own novice station, and what I really wanted to do was TALK to people who were far away.
Since the age of 26 (I'm 42 now)I've been completely disabled due to a severe heart condition. Since being house bound and mostly bedridden I started listening to the scanner a lot and eventually became an SWL and there were those people who were talking to each other from far away on the ham bands. A year and a half ago I received my Tech license after 2 months of studying when I felt up to it. I found that I liked DXing more than rag chewing so when the FCC dropped the CW requirement I began to study and learn again and it's been a wonderful diversion from some of the suffering and despair of my life. I just recently passed my General test and I'm still having fun building and working the bugs out of my station and look forward to real DXing. Obviously if the code wasn't dropped I wouldn't have this opportunity.
I really don't understand why people are so worked up about the code being dropped. I'm in awe, and I envy those who've passed 13, 20 or even 5 wpm. But it seems to me that the people who are agitated by newbies who may at first use CB jargon or check to be sure that you need to sign every 10 minutes even though it was on the test should be happy about the new regs. Because now they have there own club in which they'll rarely ever be bothered by us unworthy no code types-the entire CW spectrum.
73, Eric
Posted by
KC2POU
on August 7, 2007
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Tech2General
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I recently upgraded from Tech to General. I presently don't know code (that well)...but will be learning it on my own. I for one am glad the reqmt got dropped...but then again I see the usefulness of the code and that's why I'll learn it...But I can learn it on my own...and in the spare time use my other General privileges such as SSB and Digital modes.
Posted by
KC5VTL
on August 7, 2007
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13wpm Generals...
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N5IVZ (see his post above) makes a GREAT point! The current 'Extras', who don't have to pass a code test, get the Extra CW priveleges, but we 13wpm Generals (some of us had to take and pass the 13wpm test years ago) don't have access to this CW subband currently. This is absolutely ridiculous!
Posted by
W8KQE
on August 7, 2007
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My Two Cents
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I joined the amateur radio ranks in 1999 as a Tech plus, and now a No Code General. The Code/No Code debate was in full swing. I was quite jazzed, read about antennas, digital modes, learning about the different rigs etc. I lurked on the air waves for several days before making my first contact. I was so disappointed with some of the conversations that I lost interest in the hobby. Only in the last few months has my interest in amateur radio.
Here are my points:
1. With the Internet, chat rooms, text messaging, video phones, the majority of young people are not going to be bothered with learning CW. Yes, there will always be young ones who will be fascinated with this mode but not enough to increase the ranks of amateur operators. Perhaps this is why the U.S. and other countries dropped the code requirement...to increase membership. If the bands aren't being used, there are plenty of commercial ommunication companies who would like some of the ham spectrum.
2. I've looked at many ham radio web sites that have pictures. Geez, there must not be very many ham operators under 50 years of age. Does the ARRL or FCC keep a breakdown of ham operators by age? This hobby needs a lot of young people to keep it going.
3. I don't know if it's ever occurred to some of you veteran operators that not everyone has the mental or physical ability to learn code. If we all had the same abilities, why we could all hit 700 home runs, be star NFL quarterbacks, climb Everest without oxygen, be concert violinists, or more germane...copy CW like Chip Margelli, K7JA.
4. There's no question in my mind that there are many ham operators who may not be proficient in Morse Code but who could spin circles around most of us on electronic theory.
4. Perhaps the BBC is a harbinger of things to come and an eye opener for you who won't accept change. The BBC no longer does shortwabe broadcasts...it, too, has moved on to the Internet.
Posted by
KF6VIY
on August 7, 2007
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UPGRADING
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I became an extra when the lower 25 KHZ of the DC bands went with incentive licensing in the 60's. I could only afford CW rigs (SSB was novel and DX-100 radios were on the way out). I enjoyed working DX and 40 meters had tons of it.
In later years, I assisted as a VE and still spend a lot of time as an Elmer. Upgrade or not, there is still something in ham radio for just about everybody. Enjoy the hobby!
Semper Fi,
Tommy - K6YE
DX IS
Posted by
K6YE
on August 7, 2007
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Exactly as I thought...
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As you can see, the majority of those that really wanted to be where they are have already done it. If a simple five words per minute didn't get the minority over the hump, they didn't want it bad enough anyway.
I salute all you other 25wpm Extras out there!
Kelly, W7NVQ
(CW Forever!)
Posted by
W7NVQ
on August 7, 2007
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Exactly as I thought...
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As you can see, the majority of those that really wanted to be where they are have already done it. If a simple five words per minute didn't get the minority over the hump, they didn't want it bad enough anyway.
I salute all you other 25wpm Extras out there!
Kelly, W7NVQ
(CW Forever!)
Posted by
W7NVQ
on August 7, 2007
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Know Code General
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Upgraded to General before the Element 1 was dropped.
From MY own perspective, I'm glad I did.
Extra is next.
End of story
73
KG6WLS
Mike
Posted by
KG6WLS
on August 7, 2007
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No-Code Tech to Know-Code Extra
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I entered the amateur service in 1993 as a no-code Technician and thought I would be happy on 2m and 70cm, but I had a burning desire for DX and that meant learning code. I learned it all right and passed my Extra code exam in March of 1996. I'm glad I learned the code because I am making lots of contacts, QRP even, during the sunspot minimum, all on CW.
Mark, KJ7BS
Glendale, AZ
Posted by
KJ7BS
on August 7, 2007
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Extra long time ago
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Upgraded to 20wpm extra in 1984 at age 15. Had I known they were going to one day drop the code test I would have stayed an Advanced-with the 13wpm to prove it.
73s John AA5JG
Posted by
AA5JG
on August 6, 2007
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Tech to General
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Hi everyone.
I have to admit it was easy taking the General written without code. However more than 3 months later, I wish I studied code. The number of users in SSB is not that great (band conditions?) or lack of interest? I have since gain a honest interest in CW. It seems there are plenty of operators who are willing to respond to your CQ?
Do I want Extra?? I am going to wait for better band conditions and cycle 24.
If you are a Tech and happy knowing CW? You are going to have allot more fun in the CW band assignments. If you are old school Advance or Extra? Be nice to the new upgrade! I hear and experience new upgrade operators being ignored. It's a hobby for all HAMMIES!
73 Steve KI6ADA
Posted by
KI6ADA
on August 6, 2007
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Upgrading
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Currently a General... question, since a lot of us passed and received General at 13 wpm, why can't we have those CW frequencies in the Extra band?.. New Extras do not have to pass code, but we did.. ummmmmm
Posted by
N5IVZ
on August 6, 2007
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Extra, but...
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I upgraded to Extra immediately after they dropped the CW requirement - but not because they dropped it.
I taught myself code when I was a kid, and I got my General w/code when I was 13 at an FCC office, pre-VEC. CW wasn't a big deal for me then, and I am regularly on CW (20+wpm) with no difficulty. Now I'm 39 and starting to get more interested in some of the DX on the lower ends of the bands. I started studying for the extra...thats when I found out they just dropped the requirement.
I do wish I'd upgraded years ago with the CW test in place, just to say I'd done it - but it's no big deal.
Posted by
N4GVA
on August 6, 2007
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Got my extra in 1975 when I was 16.
They played 20WPM code into hard plastic earphones that let in all the office noise.
Six feet away some lady was stapling papers together by slamming her hand onto the stapler. One of the guys threw off his headphones, two others failed, the proctor couldn't care less.
I passed. CW Rocks.
Posted by
N4SL
on August 6, 2007
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2x1 Extra DJ0MBC/WU5T
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In 1986 I found about the VEC testing and that the DOD people in Germany were running test sessions here. After a 20 year break I found my code was still at about 10 wpm so I started studying. In the Spring I drove to Würzburg (120 miles) and went from Novice to Advanced and got the 20 WPM certificate in one session. I missed the Extra written with one question (I had only read through the material). In December (the next VEC session) I drove 200 miles to Wiesbaden and in 25 minutes I was an Extra.
Posted by
DJ0RD
on August 6, 2007
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Long over due
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I took the code test way before they drop the code ! i pass my Code aug 5 2006 then i pass my gen in march 17 2007, it took me 5 years to pass the gen.
And finally got a change to get on the radio to do some dx !! i enjoyed doing the hf bands. see ya on 80 meter....
73
Jackie
KG4ORX
WEBSITE http://webpages.charter.net/kg4orx/
Posted by
N4MJG
on August 5, 2007
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I've already done all the upgrading I can. However, I'm NEVER done learning new things!
Posted by
K0EWS
on August 5, 2007
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Why Bother..?
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<<There's nothing in amateur radio that I'm interested in, that I couldn't accomplish with my first license. For my purposes, the upgrade came immediately. I have no personal fascination with the phenomenon of propagation and long DX contacts.>>
Posted by RX1 on August 5, 2007
May Be you are Correct in that But, You are still here in this enviroment because you're here worried about what is going on in this world which is Amateur Radio.....
It's Just a Hobby, I Don't have any fascination for the football neither so if I don't like it I don't Watch it....
It's all according to what color you see through the glass...
73's You All...
Posted by
W4WSW
on August 5, 2007
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re:
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Don't need to upgrade from General. I've got enough frequency space right now in CW and SSB bands to keep me busy. Perhaps next summer will be my Extra Class study time.
Posted by
KF5KWO
on August 5, 2007
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Different Perspective
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I didn't wait for the morse code requirement to be removed. In fact, when I heard that they were reducing the morse code requirement from 20wpm to 5 wpm some years back, I purposely made a point of upgrading from (13 wpm) General just so that I could say I did it.
I passed my Advanced Theory, Extra Theory and 20 wpm CW exams (one minute of solid copy) all on the same day.
I guess some of us rise to the challenge and some don't.
Posted by
AA1UY
on August 5, 2007
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not to upgrade
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I hit the not to upgrade because I hold a 13wpm General ticket. Got it right before they changed the rule to 5wpm general. I do think we should have much tougher/real world standards for testing. What I am hearing on the air these days with some new HF guys is pretty bad. Today I hear a new general ask is it ok to ID with morse code? And we have to Id every 10 minutes right? I was taken aback thats for sure. Isn't that on the the first test you take??? I am hearing a lot of Roger Ds and SSB HF lingo on FM repeaters. But, I am not the police and I just enjoy the "hobby" as that a hobby. Each to his own I say. Years ago I quit the hobby because of some of this banter and club politics and now that I am back I just enjoy the things I like to do and thats it. I will leave the club politics and nit picking to the others and you all know who you are. Just my 2 cents guys and gals. Happy Hamming all.
Posted by
W9JCM
on August 5, 2007
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Tech2Extra
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I'm glad they dropped the code requirement. I do however think that the question pool should be greatly expanded. I do almost all portable SSB work. I admire the way some guy's just blaze along using CW. It's a wonderful skill. I have a 10 WPM firewall in my brain so 20 was out of the question for me. I was glad to get the chance to finally upgrade.
73, Dan WZ1P
Posted by
N1GXC
on August 5, 2007
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Extra since '96
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I already upgraded from Advanced class to Extra class in late May of 1996.
Posted by
AB7RG
on August 5, 2007
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Don't have to upgrade
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Have had my 20wpm Extra since 1987.
Posted by
K9DMW
on August 5, 2007
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It's only a license!
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Now that the Morse Code testing is over, remember it is not a college degree, nor a title of nobility, nor a grade of esoteric cult master. There is no need to jealously guard your license grade against unworthy intruders. What has meaning is only what you do with it after you get it. AMATEUR RADIO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF. Be happy, or be miserable - that is your choice!
Posted by
AI2IA
on August 5, 2007
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Poll doesn't address new hams
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I chose "don't have to upgrade..." because I'm an Extra and I took the code test.
The poll doesn't have any choices for new hams. I'd be interested to find out how many Generals and Extras became newly licensed specifically because the code test was eliminated, that wouldn't be hams today if passing a code test was still a requirement for the General and Extra classes of license.
In other words, was the code test really a barrier or was the perceived barrier merely a myth? Every ham has their own opinion, but what is the real truth? Is the "new blood" theory fact or fiction? I don't think we will know the answer for at least 5 years.
Posted by
AG4RQ
on August 5, 2007
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Upgrade - no place to go
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Hi all, I did my last upgrade in 1978 Advanced to Extra. Still lots to learn, I learned with tubes not integrated circuits, and new areas to explore, digital modes.
I still prefer the good old rag chew on voice or CW. See you on the airwaves.
Trent WB0HZL
Posted by
WB0HZL
on August 5, 2007
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No need to ugrade the license since it's Extra Class, but there's always more to learn, and new frontiers to explore!
Posted by
KB1CHW
on August 5, 2007
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Stay where I'm at.
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After 22 years, I think I will remain in the exclusive domain of the Advanced. I'm not all that interested in voice modes or digital or becoming a junior homeland security guard. Just experimenting and CW does it for me. Advanced Class even sounds better.
Those interested need not apply.
Posted by
N9ESH
on August 5, 2007
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I took that dreaded 5 WPM code test twice! Once as a potential Novice in front of a General Class to get my license back when.
Then when I got back into this I took it again.
I could have showed my old paperwork but why?
I was also a CW radio operator for the Army '66-72 so I knew a little bit about CW. Not an expert, but I still like to play once and awhile.
I don't think CW or lack of it has anything to do with some of the problems the bands have now. It's just lack of manners and/or knowledge.
It's a different generation out there, that's for sure.
Posted by
W7WV
on August 5, 2007
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Upgrading Done.
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Passed class "B", class "A", and Extra class all at the FCC office with the 13 and 20 WPM code. All before the Freedom Amateur Radio Operators structure. ( FARO )
No Pun Intended.
Back when men were men and women loved them that way.
.:
Posted by
W6TH
on August 5, 2007
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Fading hobby
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KG4RUL wrote...
"I think many Techs had the knowledge to pass the written exam but, like me, were stymied by the CW testing."
When I first got interested in ham radio as a kid, I had several good friends who also wanted to be hams but were put off by the code. They would have made excellent hams too, as they were more knowledgable about radio than I was and well disciplined individuals. I really miss those guys not becoming hams. I don't want to hear this "they didn't want it bad enough". They simply didn't see the point in having to know CW. (And after all these years, neither do I.) It seemed a very archaic aspect of the requirement and I could only agree with them. The biggest snobs in ham radio I have met over the years have been hardcore CW ops who for whatever reason felt they are above the others. Hey...It's a hobby! And God knows we need new blood. Unfortunatly, I feel that it might very well be to late.
Posted by
K1XT
on August 5, 2007
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Advanced to Extra
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No choice given here for Advanced to Extra.
I did recently upgrade from Advanced to Extra. (Yes, going from Advanced to Extra you get screwed because you have to retake your Advanced materials all over again in the questions, but “so what”!)
I held off 38 years upgrading, because 18 WPM is my top speed, no matter what, and I tried & tried, so remained Advanced from 1969 to 2007. Sorry speed daemons, 18 is my tops speed so there!
There was really no reason to upgrade from Advanced to Extra other than another friend upgraded from Advanced to Extra and he goaded me to upgrade (he had same problem with CW). Frankly, adding the bottom 25 didn’t interest me for 38 years either, it wasn’t a motivator, sorry!
Anyway, before you CW speed nuts jump all over me, I love CW and spent 95% of my time on CW over the past 43 years as a ham, but only at 15 - 18 WPM speed I was comfortable at. Sorry, I just cannot do 20 or above. Physical and mental blocks. The 20 breakpoint stops one from writing down and forces total head copy, and I can’t do that, sorry, so there!
Anyway, both my friend and I are professional degreed working engineers and we still needed to study because even though we had excellent knowledge, plenty of experience, and hands on design etc., it wasn’t good enough in the right areas to pass Extra cold turkey. We both tried cold turkey practice dry lab, and failed miserably, so we both studied. AND WE LEARNED A LOT!
So it was well worth it to upgrade!
Now I use my new CW privileges, and in fact find a lot of nice DX down there in the bottom 25 I couldn’t work before. And they go 12- 18 wpm too, except for the few show offs who blaze at 35 wpm; but those guys got a problem and I wouldn’t want to talk to them anyway. Surprisingly, most slow when I ask QRS, but a few butt heads won’t…oh well.
Up grading was well worth it!
Posted by
W7AIT
on August 5, 2007
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Upgrade
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Already an Extra class licensee, before the elimination of the code requirement.
Will, AE6YB
Posted by
AE6YB
on August 5, 2007
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I need a 36 hour day...
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I have a 20 wpm "credit slip" from a testing session many years back. Got the General OK that particular day. But didn't have time to take the Advance written. So I was going back the following month.
Well, months turned to years and I never did get to a testing session. I still have kept that 20 wpm slip just to show I did it. So when I finally get to an Extra testing session, I can put the 20 wpm credit in a frame with the license. (Just for personal vanity's sake. Hi.)
Running my own business, going back to college full time (at age 50) and raising five boys in the process makes time a little hard to come by. Can someone loan me some sleep????
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
Posted by
WA8MEA
on August 5, 2007
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There's nothing in amateur radio that I'm interested in, that I couldn't accomplish with my first license. For my purposes, the upgrade came immediately. I have no personal fascination with the phenomenon of propagation and long DX contacts.
Posted by
RX1
on August 5, 2007
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There's nothing in amateur radio that I'm interested in, that I couldn't accomplish with my first license. For my purposes, the upgrade came immediately. I have no personal fascination with the phenomenon of propagation and long DX contacts.
Posted by
RX1
on August 5, 2007
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Upgrading
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I know this may sound like BS but at the age of 13 I was able to learn the code sufficient enough to pass the test in 1978 in only 3 days. Back then you had to have one minute of solid copy and you were also required to show proficiency in sending the code also. This is 100% true, I guess when your young you are able to learn and retain thing easier than when you get older. I have enjoyed CW to this day 30 years later and am happy to hear stories of hams who have passed no code tests and go on to learn the code and operate it.
Posted by
WS2L
on August 5, 2007
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Morse Upgrade Survey
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Under the don't have to upgrade catagory;
This could be taken two ways.
1. I'm already and extra
2. I don't need to upgrade because I am satisfied with my present license class
Posted by
AA1IK
on August 5, 2007
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I've got to bring this up!
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Over fifteen years ago when i made extra i was told then that the cw requirement was going to be done away with. One individual from the local cb ranks informed me of this. Maybe ten years back this same person said nocode international was the driving force behind it too. I never believed him. He sat on his rear all these years waiting on it to happen. Most hearing this rumor did exactly the same thing as he, just sat back and waited. The use of one of our modes or the lack of knowledge to use it does not define one as a good or bad amateur operator. I don't think in any way that i'm a better person or operator because i didn't wait for the extra requirment to be dumbed down. This subject pisses so many off but the simple facts are exactly as we see them. The advance test was the hardest test i ever took. It has been done away with. The code requirement is gone along now with the hardest test requirement. One can call these actions several things, for me simply dumbing down of the standards does the trick. When extremely young children can pass our highest license class it should open eveyones eyes especially when they can pass the 5wpm requirement. We get what we pay for and in many cases from what i hear on the bands now...we're not getting very much. There's no excuse for waiting all those years. I know people that can just hear enough with the volumn turned wide open and they passed the code requirment. Think of those people and what an effort it was for them before any of you start with your complaints on this or that and why you sat on your rears and never made the code requirement. Oh now i'll close with the newest and latest ham jargon. Yeah hear me??? Ten four???
My two cents: John WR8d
Posted by
WR8D
on August 5, 2007
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Tech2Extra
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I suspect that this survey category will grow quickly. I think many Techs had the knowledge to pass the written exam but, like me, were stymied by the CW testing.
I first attempted to learn CW 46 years ago at the age of 15. Two local hams worked with me three times a week for almost six months with no success. As an adult, I attempted it again in 2001 and tried every tape, CD, computer based code course I could lay my hands on. In instructor based, live classes, I was the one left in the dust from the very first session.
When the requirement was due to be dropped, I immediately headed for the next available test session and passed the General handily. I was given the opportunity to try the Extra but missed it by two. The following month, the General CSCE was turned in and the Extra passed.
I now find myself working PSK a lot, acting as the PIO for our County ARES/RACES group, volunteering as a VE for W4VEC and serving as the PIC for the ARRL SC Section.
Posted by
KG4RUL
on August 5, 2007
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