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eHam.net Survey
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Survey Question
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Has deliberate QRM, QRN or just plain rude operators changed your operating habits or the way you now operate?
Posted: Jan 29, 2008
(1856 votes, 79 comments)
by VA3XQ
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Survey Results
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Just moved off frequency...
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45% (841)
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Went QRT for a while...
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12% (231)
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Changed mode...
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3% (50)
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Changed band...
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5% (93)
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Reported it!
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3% (59)
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Retaliated!
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3% (63)
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No, just put up with it...
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28% (519)
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Survey Comments
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rude operators
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I`m sure we`ve all experienced the rudeness by some operators in one way or another. Whether it`s 75m ssb or 2m kerchuncking,it happens. I do avoid those bands/freqs. like the plague when i hear that stuff going on. Most of the time however,i`m impressed by the kindness of opeeators i`ve met on the air. Sometimes i`m tuning on a cw portion of a band and someone will start up a qso with me by letting me know my signal is good. Inspite of the bad this is still the best hobby there is,bar none. I can tell this by all the qsl cards in my shack...
Posted by
NO2A
on July 25, 2009
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hi power antenna tuning-YIKES
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My only comment is during a DX pileup or contest. You should have plenty of preparation time to tune "barefoot" before turning on the "foot warmer". Allot of us do not own towers and beams. We have fun just using 100 watts or less. Consideration is due.
Posted by
KI6ADA
on March 16, 2008
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rude operators
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Once I discover that I am being interfered with, I just remain silent. Then the agitator has no one to agitate ( harass ) and generally moved elsewhere, looking for his / her next victim.
No big deal.
Posted by
AI4EP
on March 16, 2008
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CHANGE THIS SURVEY
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THIS TOPIC HAS GROWN VERY STALE. PLEASE FIND A NEW ONE.
Posted by
WX4O
on March 14, 2008
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Please Get A New....
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QUESTION. This one has been on way too long.
Posted by
K4SFC
on March 11, 2008
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What a shame
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I have been off the air for over 20 years. I recently decided that I wanted to get back on the air. I joined a local ham club and asked at the club who would be interested in a tower party or two.
I had no response. Everyone carried their whole station on their belt. They had that clueless look on their face on why I would want to put up a tower. HF, what is that?
I had to go out and buy two tower trailers, so that I could do it myself without a tower party.
The rudeness is due to the lowering of the standards for a ham radio license. Lower the standards low enough, any rif-raf will enter the hobby. Most intellectual people that I know have common courtesy. The less educated usually do not have the social skills of common courtesy.
There was rude people in the past before the lowering of the standards, but the flood gates are open now. You reap what you sow.
Posted by
KB6QXM
on March 10, 2008
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How ironic I double posted.
Would an admin or other board official please delete the extra post?
73 Bill
Posted by
K7EA
on March 8, 2008
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qrm and idiot operators
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My experience is that the 75 meter(ssb) and 2 meter (fm) bands contain 95% of the inconsiderate, rude, and illegal behavior we hear.
So I operate happily elsewhere.
73, Bill K7EA
Posted by
K7EA
on March 8, 2008
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qrm and idiot operators
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My experience is that the 75 meter(ssb) and 2 meter (fm) bands contain 95% of the inconsiderate, rude, and illegal behavior we hear.
So I operate happily elsewhere.
73, Bill K7EA
Posted by
K7EA
on March 8, 2008
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It's A Shame
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I remember a 2m repeater around Los Angeles that had folks (that knew each other) that constantly threatened bodily injury against each other, using foul language and such. I was new to ham radio at the time and lived in San Diego so didn't really pay much attention, just thought it was shameful of those folks. The repeater and the culprits eventually got shut down, as I remember right. I know of local hams that are happy to hop in their vehicles and triangulate QRM and resolve problems with bad paging transmitters and such. Around my TX home now I don't hear problems (maybe it's because I'm not on the radio much). It just takes a few to spoil a good thing. We need to continue to police ourselves and find the culprits when they do interfere instead of waiting for someone else to do it.
Posted by
K5DRH
on March 5, 2008
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Riley Retired
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But he came back! "too much to do" he said.
Posted by
AD5TD
on March 3, 2008
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Riley Retired
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Riley Retired. He did you know right now someone is transmitting inappropriate music on the chicago fm club the biggest repeater in the area. Wow. 75m is better than 2m.
Posted by
KC9MAV
on March 2, 2008
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Re: I've Had It
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"FCC won't do their job and the jammers and filthy mouthed operators are doubling every few months. It's really a shame when the local CB band is more civil then ham radio freqs. What is wrong with Riley? He sends letters but fails to enforce. Meanwhile the taxpayers continue to keep him on the payroll. Screw ham radio, I'm going fishing.... Posted by WD40 on March 1, 2008"
Unfortunately this quoted post is just what the jammers and rude operators love to see. They have now been fed a delicious prime rib steak dinner by pissing off somebody and are waiting for dessert. Come on fellas, ignore the bastards.
Posted by
KK4BH
on March 2, 2008
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I've had it!
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FCC won't do their job and the jammers and filthy mouthed operators are doubling every few months. It's really a shame when the local CB band is more civil then ham radio freqs. What is wrong with Riley? He sends letters but fails to enforce. Meanwhile the taxpayers continue to keep him on the payroll. Screw ham radio, I'm going fishing....
Posted by
WD40
on March 1, 2008
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I have the solution!
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Everyone go on echolink, no QRM!
The commercial interests will take care of the old ham bands and the government will certainly enforce it since there is big money to be lost!
Posted by
VE3NYZ
on March 1, 2008
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Avoid em' like the plague
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I hear about all this stuff on 14.275 and 80 meters, I just choose to ignore it. I guess some people feel they want to park on a frequency and rant on whatever they want. If that's what they want to make of the hobby for them, then so be it. To me the hobby is about trying new things, building stuff, experimenting, the occiasional rag chew and a little contesting here and there. Thankfully most of the places I choose to operate, they choose not to operate.
Posted by
KB2FCV
on February 26, 2008
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Who's Listening In?
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"Thanks to KD7TXO, KD7DTT & W7ISV for welcoming Cub Scouts to this wonderful hobby. As good as it may make you feel to retaliate, remember who may be listening." By N3AWS
About 30 years ago, while working in Chicago, I became good friends with one of my co-workers on the night shift. He learned of my being a ham operator and started expressing an interest in it. I gave him some code tapes, a code practice key and a theory study guide. I even lent him my spare SX-110 receiver. We set it up in his basement and ran a wire through a window into a tree. I jotted down the ham freqs and told him to have fun. At work we would take turns sending code to each other on our lunch breaks.
Several weeks went by and Joe was almost ready to take his Novice test. Then one evening at work he told me he had brought the receiver for me to take back home. He proceded to tell me a story that I will never forget and unfortunately it happens all to frequently today.
A couple evenings earlier, while listening to a QSO on 80 meters, several other stations started breaking in on the initial QSO. One thing led to another and the language turned vulgar. Joe's wife walked into the middle of it and was very upset. She told Joe she didn't want this kind of "garbage" in her home and take the radio back. I tried to make appologies, but to no avail.
I believe Joe would have made a good ham. He had a strong military electronics background and was genuinly interested in being one. He kind of fit the physical profile of the stereotyped ham portrayed in old QST magazine "Jeeves" comics.
I hope some of us can try "counting to 10" before venting on the air. As the saying states: "Sometimes we are our own worst enemy."
Posted by
KK4BH
on February 23, 2008
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QRM & Cub Scouts
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Thanks to KD7TXO, KD7DTT & W7ISV for welcoming Cub Scouts to this wonderful hobby.
As good as it may make you feel to retaliate, remember who may be listening.
There was a letter to the editor in an old issue of "73 Magazine" that described how a young minister put a town bully in his place by saying: "You may talk to me any way you wish, but I don't have to answer you that way." Perhaps we can all learn from his example!
73,
Jim N3AWS
Posted by
N3AWS
on February 23, 2008
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over 30 years ago
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over 30 years ago I started to bet involver in ham Radio and heard all the BS while I was just in the listening mode well I said forget it. I am wondering if I made a mistake now that i was forced into retirement that I would try it again. Been studying For tech exam bought a FT840 to listen on and now I am worried did I waste my money and should I had stayed playing with my old tractors as they don't give to much grief.Hmmmm Ron
Posted by
KINGSAILFISH
on February 22, 2008
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over 30 years ago
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over 30 years ago I started to bet involver in ham Radio and heard all the BS while I was just in the listening mode well I said forget it. I am wondering if I made a mistake now that i was forced into retirement that I would try it again. Been studying For tech exam bought a FT840 to listen on and now I am worried did I waste my money and should I had stayed playing with my old tractors as they don't give to much grief.Hmmmm Ron
Posted by
KINGSAILFISH
on February 22, 2008
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over 30 years ago
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over 30 years ago I started to bet involver in ham Radio and heard all the BS while I was just in the listening mode well I said forget it. I am wondering if I made a mistake now that i was forced into retirement that I would try it again. Been studying For tech exam bought a FT840 to listen on and now I am worried did I waste my money and should I had stayed playing with my old tractors as they don't give to much grief.Hmmmm Ron
Posted by
KINGSAILFISH
on February 22, 2008
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Run more power.
Posted by
AA8X
on February 22, 2008
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A BIG Cause of QRM
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Someone decided, long ago, that Ham Radio couldn't survive unless there were more of us. Now there are too many vehicles, not enough pavement. CW and more serious technology testing used to keep us 'exclusive' - now I expect to hear 'break 1-9' at any moment. I've my nomex flight suit and gloves on now, so flame on, if you must.
Posted by
KX8XX
on February 20, 2008
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This is just stupid and a waste of money and bandspace.
quote: ...as he went on to exclaim of "ALL THE RACK GEAR & MONEY"
Posted by
N4CQR
on February 20, 2008
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To say... or not to say, That is the Question?
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A few weeks ago, I noticed a terrible noise on the 20 Meter SSB Band, which I searched for and found! A Gentleman was about 10-12 Khz WIDE (Incredible Splattering Audio) either side of the frequency he was operating from! I Identified and informed him that he could be heard 10-12 WIDE - either side of the Frequency and stated I thought he would want to know. Well this offended him greatly - as he went on to exclaim of "ALL THE RACK GEAR & MONEY" he had invested in his Audio equipment! He further stated that the problem must exist with my Radio (Which is a Yaesu 1000MP Mk V Field & a JPS NIR12 DSP System, on Top) My reply was nothing more than "I thought you would like someone to let you know!" Within a few minutes after that...The NOISE CEASED! He still continued to operate. I can truly respect any operators investment in their station equipment but the amount of money invested in "AUDIO RACK GEAR" of a station has nothing to do with whether it is being operated properly, or not! I suppose the point is that it did not take a terrible argument of degrading each others Mama, to communicate. Being polite about it and moving on worked just fine. Otherwise, spin the dial and let "Uncle Charley" handle the rest! God Bless & 73.
Posted by
N5JFJ
on February 20, 2008
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Mentally Defective OPs
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Sometimes, you can't ignore them.
We had a fellow drift into town who's been licensed quite a long time. Unfortunately, he's also been mentally ill for an even longer time, I think.
This fellow started out OK, and then he quit taking his medication. He started harassing certain people with tales of how the local medical clinic had implanted something in his hand to control his mind. Then, he started making long broadcasts of his manifesto on the three local repeaters. It just got worse and worse and worse. He bragged about how FCC couldn't do xxxx to stop him, and that he was a mentally ill ex-felon.
We reported him to FCC, and I doubt that he will be renewing his ticket. Mr. Hollingsworth was most helpful. Meanwhile, he left town - at the urging of local law enforcement.
But, in the short time this guy was here, he just killed 2 meters in this area. It only takes one 'tard to wipe out ham radio in a large area!
Posted by
K0RGR
on February 19, 2008
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Sorry
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I feel sorry for people that act ignorant on the air.They probably were beat as children.May God have mercy on their souls.I disagree that it's the hams that took the "easy" tests.Most idiots I've heard are the arrogant "know it alls" who took the "hard" tests.If you can't find a spot away from these poor souls,turn off the radio and be with your families.They are more important.Take care,Dave NR8TV
Posted by
NR8TV
on February 18, 2008
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Rude Operators/QRM
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I think K9KJM has said it all. Just agnore them and they will go away.
But as another fellow suggested, the band conditions do change, so be a little careful about who you call intentional interference, it might be you too.
Remember this is a hobby, it is supposed to be fun and relaxing. 73 to ALL Charlie, WA2HMM
Posted by
WA2HMM
on February 18, 2008
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Clubs of ANY kind
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All these comments apply to any kind of club, radio or otherwise, and I've joined and quit many. I've experienced being ignored as a new member as well as accepted and welcomed. I guess it all boils down to the kind of people that populate the club. I have also seen clubs where the membership doesn't participate. Then the president asks for inputs, gets none, makes a decision, then the members grumble about what a bad decision it is as they leave the meeting. These members have no one to blame but themselves for not speaking up.
Posted by
WB2NVY
on February 18, 2008
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It's interesting that the percentage of hams that reported interference is the same as the percentage that chose retaliation. The FCC may not address all reports, but I would bet that 99.9% of the cases they do address were reported to them. The other 0.1% were picked up when Riley listened to 75 meters one night. :-) Ed, W1RFI
Posted by
W1RFI
on February 18, 2008
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Rude Contesters.
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QRM/N will happen. That can be ignored. The Rude Contester cannot. It would help if the major contests were only one day. That way the Weekender Hams / non-contesters can have part of the weekend to enjoy the radio. Limit the contest to part of the band and the time. We all can have fun.
Posted by
N2WEC
on February 17, 2008
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bitter ops?
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My experience is there are those that giving the knob a twist is a fine solution. The one
or two that seem have some problem are trouble.
Where possible I avoid them.. lifes too short.
Posted by
KB1GMX
on February 16, 2008
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29 Retaliation Hams
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No doubt the 29 are DX'ers
Yes, yes yes, I know!
Not all Dx'ers are jerks.
But if you look carefully, the jerks
are Dxers.
Dx'ers don't like to get bashed in forums like this but they don't mind ramming and jamming on the air.
Hypocritical, I call it!
Retaliation using peanut whistle QRP rigs is pointless, and more importantly, any QRP' er has more sense than to do this anyway.
I am a casual contester and rarely work DX,
and I have seen it all, the good the bad and the ugly.
Unfortunatly the 29 represent a larger number who will and do retlaliate, even when the so called infraction is just a part of normal band shifting.
de AA1IK/QRP
Ernie Gregoire
Posted by
AA1IK
on February 15, 2008
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Interference
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Maybe 'we' have too much and have it too
easy. Is everybody so bored ?
Posted by
N0CRS
on February 15, 2008
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ITS A FACT OF LIFE TODAY
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What elese can you expect from new frustrated hams today. They were told that what they do is important and needed. The glory is in the license. Go out and buy big bucks equipment only to find out that once on its not what they were told. So many think that they are going to save the day in a emergency just by being their. Then suddenly come to the realization that its a technical hobby and they have no understanding. They are not allowed to show their stuff and so get frustrated. Bored with all the tech stuff or only net checkin without any real useage or purpose, they then turn to being QRM. Here they can be in control and get reconigition.. even if its jamming or making lude remarks. The real use of ham radio escapes them and is replaced with "if I am frustrated, you will be too"
In effect they then cause others to quit. They achieve control. If the others make remarks, they have been reconized and feel accomplished that they pushed the guys buttons. It becomes a game of word/witt superiority.
Other younger ears listen to this and their parents ban them from ham radio due to the shown nature of the beast.
Best just to go to the cell phone and call your friend or text message him on the internet than to give them the sought reconigition. Eventually they get tired and go away to find someone else who wlll play their game.
Sorry to say its getting worse as the bands get more populated with the easy licenses' that the ARRL and manufactures want given away to make a buck on equipment or test info.
Posted by
NXET
on February 14, 2008
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Rude
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Although most hams are considerate, some are not, it is aggravating when operating QLP or mobile and have to listen to some moron tune on frequency at full power. When I was a new ham, Ed (OTTO) Tune berated me for tuning on freq when operating Navy Mars in Japan. Ed explained that it was not only unprofessional but unneeded. He explained that’s what dummy loads or low power was for. He also explained that you can “fine tune” while talking on the air. There is enough noise on the air, we do not need to add to it. 73’s Fred KF4MJJ
Posted by
KF4MJJ
on February 13, 2008
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Splatter
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QRM happens. It's a fact of life. Antennas aren't narrow beam devices and propagation takes radio waves long distance. My gripe is the hams who don't know how to properly adjust their amplifiers and spread a 6khz (or wider) signal over the band. There's no excuse for poorly adjusted equipment and that kind of signal. Those hams are simply overdriving their amps and trying to squeeze the last watt out of them. Someone mentioned the group around 3.815, That sounds like it's the same group that inhabits 14.310 on Sunday mornings at 10 am.
Posted by
KC9CS
on February 12, 2008
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Splatter
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QRM happens. It's a fact of life. Antennas aren't narrow beam devices and propagation takes radio waves long distance. My gripe is the hams who don't know how to properly adjust their amplifiers and spread a 6khz (or wider) signal over the band. There's no excuse for poorly adjusted equipment and that kind of signal. Those hams are simply overdriving their amps and trying to squeeze the last watt out of them. Someone mentioned the group around 3.815, That sounds like it's the same group that inhabits 14.310 on Sunday mornings at 10 am.
Posted by
KC9CS
on February 12, 2008
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Splatter
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QRM happens. It's a fact of life. Antennas aren't narrow beam devices and propagation takes radio waves long distance. My gripe is the hams who don't know how to properly adjust their amplifiers and spread a 6khz (or wider) signal over the band. There's no excuse for poorly adjusted equipment and that kind of signal. Those hams are simply overdriving their amps and trying to squeeze the last watt out of them. Someone mentioned the group around 3.815, That sounds like it's the same group that inhabits 14.310 on Sunday mornings at 10 am.
Posted by
KC9CS
on February 12, 2008
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It's just a box with a few wires attached to it. Usually this consists of a black and red wire, microphone and antenna combination.
This box with large knob are not originally designed to raise the users blood pressure. It's not intended to function as a medical device.
Recieving QRM, QRN etc. would be the natural expectation and side effect of using such equipment.
Alternatively, modern day cell phone equipment on the other hand will offer the user interference free communications if they so desire.
...Can you hear me now?
73 de Charles - KC8VWM
Posted by
KC8VWM
on February 12, 2008
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QRM
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I just crank up the heater(amp).
Posted by
N0ELW
on February 12, 2008
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One Question
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...14.275 USB?
Posted by
K6ZZZ
on February 11, 2008
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QRM
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Just go QRT for awhile.
Posted by
N0ELW
on February 10, 2008
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QRM
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Just go QRT for awhile.
Posted by
N0ELW
on February 10, 2008
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The Sociopath
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Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath.
The conduct of these individuals is symptomatic of their disorder and can manifest itself in many and various ways!
The important thing is not to respond to their malicious conduct, do not get dragged into a verbal exchange, simply totally ignore them and eventually they will get bored with the lack of reaction and go trawl the bands for another victim.
Posted by
GI0ZGB
on February 9, 2008
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Rude operators
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We've all heard someone going through a tantrum like some angry six-year old "because he was on the frequency first..." But what is nice is when you are welcomed to the circle of stangers like family. I was doing a demo with cub scouts on 3.985 the other night and couple rag chewers (KD7DTT & W7ISV) welcomed in a dozen of cub scouts to join in to their conversation. Thanks Guys, that took real patience. Teach someone new, elmer good practices and don't hesitate to take your old friend behind the shed if he needs it over a cup of coffee to remind him what our hobby is all about. Have fun, and recruit new GOOD blood to our ranks. 73's
Posted by
KD7TXO
on February 8, 2008
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Give Credit Where Credit Is Due
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As I make this post I noticed that 3%(29) of those responding to this survey chose "Retaliation" as their method of confronting deliberate QRM. That's 29 too many so called amateur radio operators. They have not only have added to the QRM already existing on our bands, but have feed the ego of those causing this unwanted interference. And, oh yes, let's not forget the image it portrays of ham radio to someone just tuning accross the frequency and listens to it.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Posted by
KK4BH
on February 8, 2008
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Qrm...
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In this part of the world (Denmark) things are not better than in the states. In my area some truckdrivers use the 2 meter band without any license, and even if its reported nothing will happend unless the reporter can deliver an absolute proof of it. In Sweden there is a repeater that frequently is used for transmitting music, and other stuff too discusting, to mention here, and nothing happends to it. A local ham had a problem with heavy qrm on 80 meters, wich appeared to come from some industrial powerinverter 500m away. It was investigated by our local "Riley" and they told him that they wouldnt do anything about it, because it was below 30 mhz...
Some years ago i heard a licenced ham use the piratfrqs around 6,5 mhz , i reported it
to "Riley" and they told me not to bother their office with things like that, despite the fact that "Riley" officially has asked the Hams to report illegal activity monitored in this freqency-band.
And so on....
However thats what could expected in a hobby like this..
However... the most annoying pollution of freqeuncies i ever had encountered was one of the major contests starting friday afternoon, and ending monday morning.
All bands exept the warc-bands completely filled with overdriven kw sigs, cw and ssb in one big wash up all over the place, and no respect of bandplans whatsoever...
Contesters should have their part of the fun as well as anybody else, but it cant be for real that contesters owns the bands just because there is some contest going on.
I sincerely hope there will never be contestoperations on the warc-bands, they are really a pleasure to operate with a minimum of qrm and and what else is floating the airwaves...
I DO understand the thrill of contesting, i just simply think the amount of contests is way out of reason..
Just my 2 cents..:-)
Posted by
5P1CC
on February 7, 2008
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Mostly CW here
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The nice thing about CW is that even with close in stations, I can still pull out the station I am working. Heck, that is the normal mode of operation for contests!!
I have heard CW ops get frustrated when they cannot bust a pile-up and toss a bunch of dits or dahs or whatever. Or tuning up on the DX. The pile-up continues and the DX seems to keep rolling along inspite of their efforts. Kinda funny really.
73, N8XE
Jason
Posted by
N8XE
on February 7, 2008
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Survey not properly designed
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A properly designed survey would have separated the last
reply ("no, just put up with it") into two replies:
- No changes, I just tolerate it.
- No, I haven't experienced it.
Thanks!
Posted by
W2NSF
on February 6, 2008
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Report it
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Once while working 10 meters another ham got on and said I was on his frequency. I had been there for over an hour but he insisted, so I moved. He thought. I monitored as he bragged about running people off frequencies they use when contesting or rag chewing. I then taped him for the next 1/2 hour bragging about how he did it and enjoy hearing others give up. Riley got the tape after I emailed him and told him of the incident. I haven't heard the EXTRA call sign again. That doesn't mean he isn't on any more but it might mean he uses his radio differently now. That was the only blatant interference I have heard.
Frank
Posted by
KL7IPV
on February 5, 2008
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Some day...
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I'm gonna talk to that guy who's causing the deliberate QRN...when I become a silent key.
Posted by
N3EG
on February 5, 2008
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Rude Operators
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I dissagree with the earlier statement that the FCC does not touch 75 and 80 meters. They have and will continue to "catch" these guys but not without everyones assistance. We have to report it before they will do anything, so the more that report the better the chance the FCC can or will do something about Rude Operators.
Sure, you can move but when you hear a rude operator or know of someone that is operating outside the rules, report it. The FCC requires all Ops to be active in reporting bad operators, we are a self-regulating group. If we do nothing then we are just as these people for not doing anything about it. 75 meters is nearly as bad as CB was 28 years ago
Just a few cents in change.....;)...
73
Glenn
kd5nvc
Posted by
KD5NVC
on February 3, 2008
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QRM
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QRM happens. It's best just to learn the
capabilities of one's radio (the
manufacturers have included some very
clever features over the years) to
minimize the effects of QRM. The other
aspect is to remember that band conditions
can change very rapidly and a "clear"
frequency can have a couple of QSOs on it
with little notice.
Unfortunately, too many ops seem to be
ready to attribute to malice that which can
be explained by changing band conditions.
I think we just need to restrain ourselves
and not accuse others of deliberate QRM
off-handedly. True, deliberate QRM exists
and I generally know it when I hear it.
We just need to cut each other some slack
and be slow to anger.
Posted by
N0NB
on February 3, 2008
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QRM?
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I have not encountered any problems on 10, 12, 15, 17, 20m. Just the usual nets and contests.
Dan WZ1P
Posted by
N1GXC
on February 3, 2008
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QRM
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"Reporting is a Joke...The only enforcement is on 2 meters..FCC wont touch 75 meters.
and that is really too bad.. because thats where they are needed !!
Posted by KT4WO on January 30, 2008"
NOT SO AT ALL! I had a guy QRM the Texas Traffic net on 3.873 several nights in a row. He gave "his" call sign and I sent an email to Riley. About a month later I got an email from the guy that USED to own that rig and call. He was in Puerto Rico, he took care of it.
Posted by
AD5TD
on February 3, 2008
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Additional Answer: Other
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I generally deal with them like you'd deal with people who behaved like this in public or at work. You confront them and make them face their behavioral problems.
They will respond by trying to put you down and make you feel inferior. However, Eleanor Roosevelt said it best: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent".
When they discover they can't control you by trampling on your self-esteem, they lose their sense of control, which is what control freaks are all about (and those types *are* control freaks).
Regards,
Fred, WB4AEJ
Posted by
WB4AEJ
on February 2, 2008
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QRM
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I guess everybody has their mode of operation I like BPSK and QRP so I suppose QRM Should be designated a new mode. If operators would listen to themselves maybe they would think a little before they key up OH YEA They are dedicated QRMERs well good luck on the bands
73s DE:VE1PGC Phil
Posted by
VE1PGC
on February 2, 2008
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deliberate
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The answer choices are all bad since they all assume we have this problem - "deliberate QRM, QRN or just plain rude operators". Many of us and myself do not have these problems.
Posted by
WB9YCJ
on February 2, 2008
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qr whatever
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That's why everybody on 75 SSB uses a huge amp to talk to someone in the next state over cause we are so nice to each other.
Posted by
K1DA
on February 1, 2008
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IGNORE them
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As has been pointed out many many times, The MOST EFFECTIVE cure for morons that try to disrupt communications in any way is to simply IGNORE them. DO NOT acknowledge in any way that they are even there. To do so simply feeds the idiots ego, And invites more interference.
IF the interference is so bad that you cannot possibly continue a QSO, Just sign off with NO mention of the interference at all. Try other plans, Like emailing to each other a different band/frequency to meet up on and try again.
Whatever you do, DO NOT acknowledge interference over the air!!!!
Posted by
K9KJM
on February 1, 2008
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QRN
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K8DXX and i had a similar problem, except i was told by the local power company to move or change hobbies. They told me the man in charge retired and it was MY problem, not theirs. I was further informed it is not a "budgetable" item. I then called Mr. Hollingsworth at the FCC and he "corrected" them on whose problem it was. I had even listed the pole number and recorded the sound,as well as telling the engineer what was causing it. The threat of the FCC "assisting" solved the problem and most of my neighbors did favors for me, such as mowing my yard, helping me put up antennas,as a thank you. I had just moved here and the problem had been like that for years, according to them. KE5LDO
Posted by
KE5LDO
on January 31, 2008
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Nope
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Nothing's new.
There was QRM, QRN, morons, illegals and unlicensed on the bands when I was first licensed almost 43 years ago...and there still are.
Easy to ignore, avoid, change frequencies, change bands, etc just like it was back then.
"Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff."
:-)
WB2WIK/6
Posted by
WB2WIK
on January 31, 2008
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QRN
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For the past 3 years, I've had S9+10 QRN. After eliminating our home as a source (cut mains power and listened with a battery powered transceiver), I began roaming the neighborhood with my mobile rig set to AM on 135 MHz. I identified several noisey areas but could not isolate it to a particular power pole. For several years, I reported my findings and annoyance to DTE (formerly Detroit Edison). Generally, they had no idea what I was complaining about. It would seem they have eliminated their radio interference department (the former 1 man team retired with medical problems and probably was not replaced). I continued to operate but it was unpleasant to listen to everything through a noise blanker.
About 6 weeks ago, the noise just went away. My S meter on 40 meters usually reads between S 0-3. How refreshing. I find myself spending more time on the air. Hope whateveritis doesn't come back!
Posted by
K8DXX
on January 31, 2008
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CB'ers
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I generally don't hang-out on the 80-meter CB band anyway.
Posted by
SWANMAN
on January 31, 2008
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WinLink Robots
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Can you really call them operators or just Auto-Lids?
Now as far as QRN, you best not get Mother Nature angry!
Posted by
KG4RUL
on January 31, 2008
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QRM
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Reporting is a Joke...The only enforcement is on 2 meters..FCC wont touch 75 meters.
and that is really too bad.. because thats where they are needed !!
Posted by
KT4WO
on January 30, 2008
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QRM.............................
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I never let the JERK know that they are bothering the QSO. by doing that the JERK usally will go and bother someone else that will get upset about the Qrming. after all thats why they are doing it in the first place. 73, Vern, KA9MEH
Posted by
KA9MEH
on January 30, 2008
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QRM
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It's possible he stole a radio that has everything already programmed into memory. It's also possible that somebody is using somebody's radio without their knowledge.
I'd fox hunt him and get to the bottom of it.
Posted by N9XCR on January 29, 2008
Sadly I do not know who to foxhunt but I hope to learn soon 73!
kc9mav
Posted by
KC9MAV
on January 30, 2008
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Move On
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Just ignore and move on. Simple!!
Posted by
KG6WLS
on January 30, 2008
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QRM/QRN
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QRN is a natural/normal part of operating, not the result of rude ops.
With respect to QRM, generally, I kick in more filtering, tighten the passband tuning, and use high and low cut filtering to minimize the QRM, rotate my antenna to minimize the offending station, and keep operating. Also, a lot of people don't realize that if your noise blanker is on, it makes your receiver more prone to QRM. Turn it off before you do anything else. If the QRM is too objectionable, I sometimes will contact the offending operator and ask politely if he's aware that he's interfering with an ongoing QSO that was in progress before he came on the air. If he says he was there before me, I surmise the band conditions may have shifted, causing me to suddenly hear someone who had been there before me who I was unaware of, so I gracefully back off and go away. I try to react based on the demeanor of the other op. There is a group of Spanish-speaking stations around 3.815MHz almost every night. One of the stations is excessivly broad (around 6 to 10 KHz either side). I don't speak Spanish or I'd ask him what his problem is. -KR4WM
Posted by
KR4WM
on January 30, 2008
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How you deal with it matters
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I wish these questionnaires were better written. For example, they make it hard to choose between indistinct choices. As part of my MBA we were taught how to structure questionnaires, and to test them on people before administering them. (I'd be happy to help eham.net staff with this, if they'd ask.)
That aside, I have steered clear of 75 meters, and phone operation in general, for over 25 years due to the rude and crude operators there. In doing so, I have possibly had to deal with deliberate interference less than a handful of times.
Now, Citizens Band, which I use on trips, is a different matter. Even there, though, the best policy is to ignore them, work through them, and make them think their transmitter isn't working so they'll go off and check it out. If the interfering idiot gets no response or acknowledgement of any kind, then they get nothing out of it -- they are generally only in it for the attention (it's childish, I know) -- and they will quit.
Best rx & 73 to all de kt8k - Tim
Posted by
KT8K
on January 30, 2008
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Was licensed in 1980. Strictly cw but did monitor ssb occasionly. Was so disgusted with racial, religious, political derogitory-remark spewing (wasn't even directed at me), that after a few years I pulled the plug and sold off. Didn't find that in cw ops but who knew what they were thinking but not expressing on the key. Yes, I was overly sensitive back then. Remained QRT until a few years ago. Strictly cw again but don't listen to ssb,am, or fm. And don't read QRZ.net. Enjoying cw more than ever. Joining cw and qrp groups, that didn't exist back then helps.
Posted by
N2UGB
on January 30, 2008
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Stolen perhaps?
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"what interests me is that he can access the repeater with the 107.2 pl tone very suspicious?!"
It's possible he stole a radio that has everything already programmed into memory. It's also possible that somebody is using somebody's radio without their knowledge.
I'd fox hunt him and get to the bottom of it.
Posted by
N9XCR
on January 29, 2008
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All of the above?
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Just ignore morons...
73
Dan
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Posted by
K9ZF
on January 29, 2008
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Remembering the purpose.
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When I go on the air, I remember my purpose. It is to have fun, maybe pass along information, help another ham have fun, or learn something myself, or see how my stuff works and the other ham's stuff works. I am not going to react to anyone's nonsense. Not if, but when I encounter operator trouble, I QSY. If the whole band seems to be annoying (sometimes 80/75 is an unhappy band), then I change bands. If I encounter two or more troubles in one session, then I go QRT and come back the next day. I refuse to let anyone ruin my operations. I refuse to be provoked on the air.
Posted by
AI2IA
on January 29, 2008
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Rude idiots
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None of these answers apply to me. We are having a problem in chicago right now there is a teenage sounding voice on the local repeaters so far I have written him down on paper he was on the following w9anl argonne ham radio club. w9src stars radio club and wa9orc cfmc repeater what people usually do is they tell him that it is illegal and the fcc could fine you for $10,000 put what interests me is that he can access the repeater with the 107.2 pl tone very suspicious?!
Posted by
KC9MAV
on January 29, 2008
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Deliberate QRN ?
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QRN is generally understood to be static crashes, usually caused by thunderstorms.
Posted by
NI0C
on January 29, 2008
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RUDE OPERATORS
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Moving off frequency, going QRT, changing mode or band, I feel fit in the same catagory as putting up with it. Your not doing anything about it. When this sort of thing happens to me I just tune off frequency. In retaliating, a method of doing something, you're just stooping to their level. That leaves reporting it. It would be interesting to know others efforts in making a report, through what channels, and if satisfactory results were obtained.
Posted by
KK4BH
on January 29, 2008
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