How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Created by Trippy Brown, WD8OEP on 2009-05-24cq100 makes this contester and rag chewer of 32 years, who almost walked away for good, glad to be a ham once again!
By Trippy Brown, WD8OEP
"Qrz, is the frequency in use?" I asked, then unkeyed the transmitter. I heard nothing so, I gave a cq call on 20 meters.
First time, no response back. So, I sent another cq call and unkeyed the transmitter.
I wondered, "is this thing even getting out?"
Then, to my amazement, I heard, visky delta 8, Oscar echo papa, these is victor united 3 victor quebec united, you copy?"
Did I copy him? He was 5 and 9, plus, and no qrm, no qsb either! I had worked my first dx qso from India! Never worked India since I got my ticket in 1977!
His name, Mrinal, and his qth, Calcutta!
Folks, I was in ham radio nirvana! Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio, but for people who live where they can'thave any hf antennas up, or, for people going mobile or portable using a laptop computer, and who have an internet connection, either through dialup, broadband, orwireless, it sure is to all of us, and that place? Cq100, of course!
In a time when HF band conditions are absolutely horrible, and folks are getting out of our glorious hobby because of it, and in a time when folks are sick and tiredof talking local on 2 meters, and in a time when band conditions on hf are so bad, with contesters not being able to hear each other, and still wanting to participate incontests, I, this ham who lives in an apartment building where I have tried every HF antenna known to mankind and none of them worked, was now sitting here,working the world!
I could have sent him a qsl card and gotten one back, but I don't get into qsl cards.
I also participated in the Michigan qso party, and worked 7 contacts, 1 after the other, too! I also worked the cqm international dx contest, the weekend of May10, and made 24 qs in that contest! So much for not being able to participate in contesting any more, now I could again!
Cq100 is a wonderful program that lets licensed hams use their desktop, or laptop computer as an hf rig, virtually! You read that right. Folks, I don't have to worryabout sunspots, or band conditions being terrible. They never are! qrm? It never exists, because of digital tuning. Every time you press the right or left arrow key,you go up or down 1 kc at a time, and if there is a station a kc below or above you, you don't hear that station! So much for splatter! As a contester, I can contestall I want, and I don't cause interference to any other station, because of that same digital tuning, because stations above me or below me cannot hear me, so nosplatter, so interference from contesters is not a problem, so folks can have their qsos or run nets.
On old fashion HF, people can't hear stations because of powerful stronger stations below or above them, whereas on cq100, I don't have problems with strongerstations splattering me so I can't hear the other station (or stations), that I'm talking with.
Qsb? What qsb. No stations fade on my receiver, none at all!
Oh, and let's talk about fluttering signals, like happens on old fashioned HF. On cq100, there is no such thing as fluttering signals that you can't hear when auroralpropagation happens, because cq100 is not affected by any propogation problems, like auroras, sunspot cycles, etc.
So, if you haven't tried cq100, please, do me a favor, go and try it, and you'll be hooked like I am!
I'm not getting paid for this article either, but I know a good thing when I use it!
Now I've been a ham, who is an avid contester, and rag chewer, since 1977, and to be honest, I was going to let my license expire this time. I couldn't work hf,and that's my bread and butter, that's where I have all my fun! I was going to sell all my equipment and just get out of the hobby.
Then, a ham told me about cq100. So, I thought to myself, what do I have to lose? If it doesn't work, I'll just get out of the hobby, no big deal.
So, I went to:
Then I downloaded and installed it on my windows xp laptop. Now I'm a blind ham, so, I had to find a work around because my screen reader, (the piece ofsoftware that reads the screen to me), wouldn't read the checkbox to accept the license agreement. But then, another blind friend of mine who is a computer geek,more than I am, told me how to check the box and agree to it, using some key strokes I didn't know about!
So, I installed it, and since I already had an account set up with Doug, ve3efc, the inventor and author of cq100, I clicked on the cq100 icon on my desktop, and abox came up for me to type my password. It knew my call sign already, since Doug strictly enforces the rule that hams must send a copy of their license to him, orthey don't get to use the software.
So, I made that cq call on 20 meters, and I began a qso with my new Indian ham friend!
It's even better than echo link, because of no ports or routers to configure. You just go to the web site, set up your account, then download and install it, andyou're up and running with a free trial for 3 months! If you like it, it's $32 a year, that's it!
Anyway, back to my qso with vu3vqu! We had about a 30 minute qso. Then, in the middle of it, another ham, kb8rwi, Mike in Cadillac, Michigan, broke in, so,now we had a round table!
But Trippy, people say, this isn't real hf, you don't have an antenna up! Oh I know that, and I also don't have any swr issues, and I don't have to worry abouttuning rigs, and I don't have to worry about tubes blowing up on old rigs, and I don't worry about weather problems causing my antenna to blow down, or wetconnections, making my swr go through the roof, either!
Yes, my friends, that's the joy of it. Now, I can just be a ham and have my contesting or rag chewing fun, and none of those above things to worry about!
Yes, I've got my ham radio hobby back, and now, I can say, I am in it to stay!
I can go mobile, or portable, too.
Right now though, I've been using it from my home location.
So, if you contesters are looking for a place to make your qs, there it is!
You rag chewers out there, if you're tired of qrm and qsb and bad band conditions, download and install the cq100 software, you'll be saying, "man, I got myhobby back!"
There are over 200000 hams who use it, world wide, and now it's heading toward 300000!
Now that I've got my contesting fever again, I subscribed to Bruce Horn's contest calendar, which you can get via email. Bruce, wa7bnm, is an avid contester, likemyself.
Now that I had my hobby back, I couldn't wait to fire up my computer and get on the hf bands, and my first chance would come April 18, 2009, working theMichigan qso party. I absolutely love that contest!
So, on Saturday evening, I fired up the laptop, and went on 20 meters. I worked 7 stations in a row! These folks were new to contesting, but they wanted to learn,so, I told them about the contest, and they gave me the exchange that I needed! I worked 3 states, and 2 dx countries that night!
The West Virginia station told me, "I'm going to have to use this when our qso party comes up in June." I worked a station in California, who told me he was acontester, and would use it to work the California qso party in October.
Now, I can't wait to get Bruce's emailed contest calendar each week, because now, I will be able to work different contests I'm interested in!
More and more hams will not be able to put up antennas, because we're all getting older now, and apartment buildings and condos, and nursing homes don't let youput them up. But now, every ham has an hf alternative.
With cq100, you can run phone, cw, and psk31.
I've worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!
I have no antenna problems any more, and I get on hf any time I feel like! Oh, is it liberating!
I can work 10, 15, 20, 40, 75, and 80 meters!
My antenna is the Internet, and by the way, any of you folks out there having TVI problems? I have no more TVI problems with neighbors!
I don't have problems hearing stations through static crashes, as well!
I can work HF anytime and anywhere, that I want!
In a time when our ham radio hobby is declining, and young people like computers and voice chat, more than putting up antennas for hf, and all the problems wehams face, such as antenna restrictions, etc., let's give these youngsters something about ham radio they can relate too, and they can relate to computers and theinternet, right?
You can even use vox, or ptt, your choice!
For cw, cq100 lets you use your keyer, a straight key, or the built in keyboard on your computer, to send anywhere from 5 to 100 words per minute!
So, if you're a contester, I hope to work you, real soon, on the hf bands. If you're a rag chewer, I hope to have a nice qso with you, very soon!
Where will I be contesting and rag chewing in my shack? I'll be doing it on cq100!
73, and I'll see you on the air, real soon!
| N6HPX | 2009-06-14 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| The thing about internet radio is just that its connected to the internet not radio to radio communications that where the difference is located. For me to drive down a road or travel by ship to transmit to another station 100-5000 miles away via a radio is considered real radio. Sure we search the net to check the latests DX contests or the propagations or even who is on whatever band there is. But thats just it web searching its not talking to another station 5000 miles away. Unless you think this chat we have here is Ham radio. I can chat with my wife,kids or other Hams and non Hams on the web via emails or chat like yahoo messenger but its still not a radio. Many shortwave stations have shut down there stations because they claim many are listening to them via the internet. But what about the other half who don't have or can use internet for shortwave or Echo link,d-star. Even if I could I would still not consider it real radio as all its doing is using bandwidth via the internet. And thats the way many feel about the internet radios. just not the same and when you some day turn on that HF and cant find anyone on it you might think ah ha there all on d-star or echo link using internet radios which bring us to the spot of the government to say there not using it we will take it for other uses. Reply to a comment by : KC0UJM on 2009-06-13 Time to put this in perspective, how many of you (raise your hands) use the internet to check DX spots, use HAM related programs to access HAM information, study for your license, .... the list goes on.... And what about Digital Voice? is that also not real HAM communication? What if you were on Echo Link, and talked to another operator that was using Echo Link on the same repeater? Not any difference really. I know a couple of HAM's that use Echo Link to support local Storm events, emergency communication, and don't have any radio's at all, I still concider them HAM's. (Most have never even heard a HF communication, let alone participated in one) Not so long ago this would have been concidered in the same class as what Mr. Brown and many others are doing, let alone the use of APRS that is connected to the Internet (did you know you can send an email from a APRS station?) echo link, IRLP, Wires II, etc... I understand each and everyone of you have what you concider to be "real HAM" communication, but its a hobby in many forms, read on and read the meaning of a HAM at the end. From the ARRL- What is Ham Radio? A housewife in North Carolina makes friends over the radio with another ham in Lithuania. An Ohio teenager uses his computer to upload a digital chess move to an orbiting space satellite, where it’s retrieved by a fellow chess enthusiast in Japan. An aircraft engineer in Florida participating in a “DX contest” swaps his call sign and talks to hams in 100 different countries during a single weekend. In California, volunteers save lives as part of their involvement in an emergency response. And from his room in Chicago, a ham’s pocket-sized hand-held radio allows him to talk to friends in the Carolinas. This unique mix of fun, public service and convenience is the distinguishing characteristic of Amateur Radio. Although hams get involved for many reasons, they all have in common a basic knowledge of radio technology and operating principles, and pass an examination for the FCC license to operate on radio frequencies known as the “Amateur Bands.” These bands are radio frequencies reserved by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for use by hams at intervals from just above the AM broadcast band all the way up into extremely high microwave frequencies. "Ham: a poor operator. A 'plug.'" That's the definition of the word given in G. M. Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor even before radio. The definition has never changed in wire telegraphy. The first wireless operators were landline telegraphers who left their offices to go to sea or to man the coastal stations. They brought with them their language and much of the tradition of their older profession. In those early days, spark was king and every station occupied the same wavelength--or, more accurately perhaps, every station occupied the whole spectrum with its broad spark signal. Government stations, ships, coastal stations and the increasingly numerous amateur operators all competed for time and signal supremacy in each other's receivers. Many of the amateur stations were very powerful. Two amateurs, working across town, could effectively jam all the other operators in the area. When this happened, frustrated commercial operators would call the ship whose weaker signals had been blotted out by the amateurs and say "SRI OM THOSE #&$!@ HAMS ARE JAMMING YOU." Amateurs, possibly unfamiliar with the real meaning of the term, picked it up and applied it to themselves in true "Yankee Doodle" fashion and wore it with pride. As the years advanced, the original meaning has completely disappeared. Reply to a comment by : N6HPX on 2009-06-13 For me the one and only pleasure is knowing I worked it through a real radio and not an artificial one as any internet radio is not real radio. Antennas or not. Internet radio is the same as running a computer on chat mail. Internet radio is destroying the shoprtwave bands and whos to say Ham Bands aint next. Reply to a comment by : KA9HJZ on 2009-06-13 What ever turns you on, this guy has his license which helps ham radio keep its numbers up, i use cq100 when the weather is bad and this summer the electrical storms were bad so my antennas are unplugged a lot. i dont take chances with my radio equipment. many of the hams do the same thing and yes it is like using a cellphone the only thing is i use strictly CW and am practicing copying code without writing it and this is a good mode to do it on. right now i am at 15 wpm with no pencil and paper.right now i am using the trial period they give. a lot of these hams live in senior communities and nursing homes and can not have ham radios,its a great way for them to keep up with ham radio.No i did not give up HF i use my radios a couple of times a week.one of these days you might find a need for it.also i met a lot of nice hams on it. enjoy CW. Reply to a comment by : KA4DQJ on 2009-06-13 If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds. I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well. As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again. Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning. | ||
| KC0UJM | 2009-06-13 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Time to put this in perspective, how many of you (raise your hands) use the internet to check DX spots, use HAM related programs to access HAM information, study for your license, .... the list goes on.... And what about Digital Voice? is that also not real HAM communication? What if you were on Echo Link, and talked to another operator that was using Echo Link on the same repeater? Not any difference really. I know a couple of HAM's that use Echo Link to support local Storm events, emergency communication, and don't have any radio's at all, I still concider them HAM's. (Most have never even heard a HF communication, let alone participated in one) Not so long ago this would have been concidered in the same class as what Mr. Brown and many others are doing, let alone the use of APRS that is connected to the Internet (did you know you can send an email from a APRS station?) echo link, IRLP, Wires II, etc... I understand each and everyone of you have what you concider to be "real HAM" communication, but its a hobby in many forms, read on and read the meaning of a HAM at the end. From the ARRL- What is Ham Radio? A housewife in North Carolina makes friends over the radio with another ham in Lithuania. An Ohio teenager uses his computer to upload a digital chess move to an orbiting space satellite, where it’s retrieved by a fellow chess enthusiast in Japan. An aircraft engineer in Florida participating in a “DX contest” swaps his call sign and talks to hams in 100 different countries during a single weekend. In California, volunteers save lives as part of their involvement in an emergency response. And from his room in Chicago, a ham’s pocket-sized hand-held radio allows him to talk to friends in the Carolinas. This unique mix of fun, public service and convenience is the distinguishing characteristic of Amateur Radio. Although hams get involved for many reasons, they all have in common a basic knowledge of radio technology and operating principles, and pass an examination for the FCC license to operate on radio frequencies known as the “Amateur Bands.” These bands are radio frequencies reserved by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for use by hams at intervals from just above the AM broadcast band all the way up into extremely high microwave frequencies. "Ham: a poor operator. A 'plug.'" That's the definition of the word given in G. M. Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor even before radio. The definition has never changed in wire telegraphy. The first wireless operators were landline telegraphers who left their offices to go to sea or to man the coastal stations. They brought with them their language and much of the tradition of their older profession. In those early days, spark was king and every station occupied the same wavelength--or, more accurately perhaps, every station occupied the whole spectrum with its broad spark signal. Government stations, ships, coastal stations and the increasingly numerous amateur operators all competed for time and signal supremacy in each other's receivers. Many of the amateur stations were very powerful. Two amateurs, working across town, could effectively jam all the other operators in the area. When this happened, frustrated commercial operators would call the ship whose weaker signals had been blotted out by the amateurs and say "SRI OM THOSE #&$!@ HAMS ARE JAMMING YOU." Amateurs, possibly unfamiliar with the real meaning of the term, picked it up and applied it to themselves in true "Yankee Doodle" fashion and wore it with pride. As the years advanced, the original meaning has completely disappeared. Reply to a comment by : N6HPX on 2009-06-13 For me the one and only pleasure is knowing I worked it through a real radio and not an artificial one as any internet radio is not real radio. Antennas or not. Internet radio is the same as running a computer on chat mail. Internet radio is destroying the shoprtwave bands and whos to say Ham Bands aint next. Reply to a comment by : KA9HJZ on 2009-06-13 What ever turns you on, this guy has his license which helps ham radio keep its numbers up, i use cq100 when the weather is bad and this summer the electrical storms were bad so my antennas are unplugged a lot. i dont take chances with my radio equipment. many of the hams do the same thing and yes it is like using a cellphone the only thing is i use strictly CW and am practicing copying code without writing it and this is a good mode to do it on. right now i am at 15 wpm with no pencil and paper.right now i am using the trial period they give. a lot of these hams live in senior communities and nursing homes and can not have ham radios,its a great way for them to keep up with ham radio.No i did not give up HF i use my radios a couple of times a week.one of these days you might find a need for it.also i met a lot of nice hams on it. enjoy CW. Reply to a comment by : KA4DQJ on 2009-06-13 If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds. I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well. As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again. Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning. | ||
| N6HPX | 2009-06-13 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| For me the one and only pleasure is knowing I worked it through a real radio and not an artificial one as any internet radio is not real radio. Antennas or not. Internet radio is the same as running a computer on chat mail. Internet radio is destroying the shoprtwave bands and whos to say Ham Bands aint next. Reply to a comment by : KA9HJZ on 2009-06-13 What ever turns you on, this guy has his license which helps ham radio keep its numbers up, i use cq100 when the weather is bad and this summer the electrical storms were bad so my antennas are unplugged a lot. i dont take chances with my radio equipment. many of the hams do the same thing and yes it is like using a cellphone the only thing is i use strictly CW and am practicing copying code without writing it and this is a good mode to do it on. right now i am at 15 wpm with no pencil and paper.right now i am using the trial period they give. a lot of these hams live in senior communities and nursing homes and can not have ham radios,its a great way for them to keep up with ham radio.No i did not give up HF i use my radios a couple of times a week.one of these days you might find a need for it.also i met a lot of nice hams on it. enjoy CW. Reply to a comment by : KA4DQJ on 2009-06-13 If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds. I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well. As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again. Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning. | ||
| KA9HJZ | 2009-06-13 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| What ever turns you on, this guy has his license which helps ham radio keep its numbers up, i use cq100 when the weather is bad and this summer the electrical storms were bad so my antennas are unplugged a lot. i dont take chances with my radio equipment. many of the hams do the same thing and yes it is like using a cellphone the only thing is i use strictly CW and am practicing copying code without writing it and this is a good mode to do it on. right now i am at 15 wpm with no pencil and paper.right now i am using the trial period they give. a lot of these hams live in senior communities and nursing homes and can not have ham radios,its a great way for them to keep up with ham radio.No i did not give up HF i use my radios a couple of times a week.one of these days you might find a need for it.also i met a lot of nice hams on it. enjoy CW. Reply to a comment by : KA4DQJ on 2009-06-13 If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds. I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well. As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again. Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning. | ||
| N6HPX | 2009-06-13 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| I have traveled all my life and most of that for Uncle Sam on the civilian side. And there is no way I could ever use internet radio on board my ship. On top of that I dont see it as real radio. I get much more pleasure knowing I spent 10 minutes working a station in a pileup on say 6 meters or 20 and getting the thrill of going away with the contact..thaats real radio. I am also an advide shortwave buff and spend many hours listening to distant stations like Transworld out of africa from Hawaii. Thats real radio. To hearing on a laptop is not the same and no way is it as much fun. Dxing via radio is just that real dx not via a laptop as I can do that with my kids in the Philippines from anywhere. Reply to a comment by : KO0KY on 2009-06-12 I do see a use for this. I travel a lot on business, and I take my 2m handie with me along with a repeater directory. Sometimes I will take a Vectronics QRP rig with me to use 30m CW. However, many times there is simply too much electrical noise to even think about trying to have a QSO with such a tiny rig and a compromised antenna. With QSOnet I could keep my code skills sharp on a two week business trip, and get on every night after work, without dealing with the neon sign static in the motel room. It would also be very handy for short foreign trips where I don't want to fool with getting a reciprocal license. I see a use for this, but it ain't radio, just an activity to supplement our radio activities. | ||
| KA4DQJ | 2009-06-13 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds. I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well. As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again. Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning. | ||
| KC0UJM | 2009-06-12 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| yes, Not Ham radio by traditional means, but since when is ham radio traditional? The Internet, although digital (so is CW) still uses RF to transmit the information. Ham radio is a hobby, and it takes that form in many different ways. There are people that like the "format" that goes with HAM communications, and others like the technical side, some like both. When you took your test, was there not parts that included the correct format for communication? I can tell you, I have heard alot of hams that should have to use this program to practice the procedures before they get back on the "wireless" airwaves. What about IRLP or ECHOLINK? Same thing applies. Tim kc0ujm | ||
| KO0KY | 2009-06-12 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| I do see a use for this. I travel a lot on business, and I take my 2m handie with me along with a repeater directory. Sometimes I will take a Vectronics QRP rig with me to use 30m CW. However, many times there is simply too much electrical noise to even think about trying to have a QSO with such a tiny rig and a compromised antenna. With QSOnet I could keep my code skills sharp on a two week business trip, and get on every night after work, without dealing with the neon sign static in the motel room. It would also be very handy for short foreign trips where I don't want to fool with getting a reciprocal license. I see a use for this, but it ain't radio, just an activity to supplement our radio activities. | ||
| N6HPX | 2009-06-12 | |
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| RE: Not the real thing! | ||
| If you think about it Internet radio is what is killing shortwave right now, many of those broadcasters are tunring to the internet to send there transmissions rather than over the airwaves. Thats not the real radio many of us grew up with. Listening to far away dx that we spent hours working or trying to and working the pile ups. Thats real radio not the internet stuff. I can do that with chat mail with my daughter or son every weekend while I travel out here. D-star and Echolink all fall into internet radio, and you can never use that QSL for a DXCC. The pleasure of working a station on 6 meters or the higher bands is the real challenge not this internet stuff. Reply to a comment by : N6HPX on 2009-06-11 I keep asking why he never tried the same thing on a real radio rather than Internet radio, as anyone can do that even with out a license, its called Yahoo or Hotmail and thats with out a radio as well. Try turning the attention to a radio and antenna and see how well you can work that same station on HF bands, I have worked many on HF and even though some took time to work it I still had the happiness knowing my signals got through to the other party. As for example working the JT1 on 6 meters. Internet is just that internet and radio is alot more fun. Unless you consider listening to some broadcasts off an internet shortwave. Not the same unless my sangean is turnned on and hearing it. Reply to a comment by : OE5AKM on 2009-05-24 Concerning the contents CQ100 is amateur radio (ARoIP) and you need a lis for it - not for Skype! I think ARoIP is part of our future! 73, Alfred, OE5AKM Reply to a comment by : K3AN on 2009-05-24 Got your ham radio back? Your're kidding, right? I can "participate" in a "CW contest" any time I want by starting Morse Runner. However, even an idiot will tell you it's not the same. Well, most idiots anyway. Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| N6HPX | 2009-06-11 | |
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| RE: Not the real thing! | ||
| I keep asking why he never tried the same thing on a real radio rather than Internet radio, as anyone can do that even with out a license, its called Yahoo or Hotmail and thats with out a radio as well. Try turning the attention to a radio and antenna and see how well you can work that same station on HF bands, I have worked many on HF and even though some took time to work it I still had the happiness knowing my signals got through to the other party. As for example working the JT1 on 6 meters. Internet is just that internet and radio is alot more fun. Unless you consider listening to some broadcasts off an internet shortwave. Not the same unless my sangean is turnned on and hearing it. Reply to a comment by : OE5AKM on 2009-05-24 Concerning the contents CQ100 is amateur radio (ARoIP) and you need a lis for it - not for Skype! I think ARoIP is part of our future! 73, Alfred, OE5AKM Reply to a comment by : K3AN on 2009-05-24 Got your ham radio back? Your're kidding, right? I can "participate" in a "CW contest" any time I want by starting Morse Runner. However, even an idiot will tell you it's not the same. Well, most idiots anyway. Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| N0JYC | 2009-06-11 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| W8JN - No matter what anyone says -- you just don't get it! Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-10 doug, from the very beginning i have defended everyone's right to enjoy any hobby from which they receive satisfaction. i have never degraded or made any negative comments about viop chat. i am actually impressed with the level of sophistication of the "software rigs" kinda slick!!! my bone of contention has always been with the scam these three boys have tried to put over on the ham community. tell a pitiful story about a disabled ham getting his spirit and intensity back for only $32 per year, can you say "set it and forget it" "pocket fisherman" amway, jim bakker, charles ponzi etc. there are any number of free programs that are better than the scamaramma the three musketeers are trying to pull. best 73 paul w8jn, looking out for my wallet Reply to a comment by : VA3BD on 2009-06-10 It's great to have discussion on a topic and KI6ZRH's comments were an example of an appropriate response. But as for some of you other folks: 1. Please keep in the mind that the poor guy who wrote this article was obviously excited about a new piece of technology and just wanted to share this knowledge with other hams. I call that great ham spirit! 2. There was no need to write nasty comments about the author such as implying that he is a poor operator or not a real ham. I seem to remember a list from the front of the handbook that included "The ham radio operator is COURTEOUS and the operator is FRIENDLY" Some of the "real ham" posters out there might want to keep those suggestions in mind. 3. Politics again? - Can't we keep ham radio as the one place where we don't fight? There are many political chat rooms and phone in shows where you can air your opinions. I would respectfully suggest that in the true spirit of ham radio we keep this one topic off of the bands and off of this site. 4. Finally, to address the topic itself, while it may not involve a tx, the activity certainly revolves around the hobby of ham radio, just as this site does. I consider checking up on this internet site a valid part of my hobby and I don't see any reason why an internet simulator should not be considered in the same fashion. 73 Doug VA3BD Reply to a comment by : AG6OC on 2009-06-10 I guess I agree with many other posters here. What you are referring to is a simulation of ham radio, a sort of internet game or a chat room made up to look as though one is using a radio. I thought the whole point of Amateur Radio was the radio part. I would liken what you are doing to the driving simulators one used when learning how to drive. There was a steering wheel, a gas pedal and a brake pedal. On a screen in front of you, perhaps a small simulated child darted out in front of the "car" and you had to stomp on the "brake" to get the "car" to stop and avoid hitting the simulated child. But there really was no car and no child. It was driving in the same sense as what you are describing is ham radio. That being said, it seems like a nifty way to chat around the world when one can't actually use RF - sort of like what we are all doing on eham and other ham radio websites. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-10 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| doug, from the very beginning i have defended everyone's right to enjoy any hobby from which they receive satisfaction. i have never degraded or made any negative comments about viop chat. i am actually impressed with the level of sophistication of the "software rigs" kinda slick!!! my bone of contention has always been with the scam these three boys have tried to put over on the ham community. tell a pitiful story about a disabled ham getting his spirit and intensity back for only $32 per year, can you say "set it and forget it" "pocket fisherman" amway, jim bakker, charles ponzi etc. there are any number of free programs that are better than the scamaramma the three musketeers are trying to pull. best 73 paul w8jn, looking out for my wallet Reply to a comment by : VA3BD on 2009-06-10 It's great to have discussion on a topic and KI6ZRH's comments were an example of an appropriate response. But as for some of you other folks: 1. Please keep in the mind that the poor guy who wrote this article was obviously excited about a new piece of technology and just wanted to share this knowledge with other hams. I call that great ham spirit! 2. There was no need to write nasty comments about the author such as implying that he is a poor operator or not a real ham. I seem to remember a list from the front of the handbook that included "The ham radio operator is COURTEOUS and the operator is FRIENDLY" Some of the "real ham" posters out there might want to keep those suggestions in mind. 3. Politics again? - Can't we keep ham radio as the one place where we don't fight? There are many political chat rooms and phone in shows where you can air your opinions. I would respectfully suggest that in the true spirit of ham radio we keep this one topic off of the bands and off of this site. 4. Finally, to address the topic itself, while it may not involve a tx, the activity certainly revolves around the hobby of ham radio, just as this site does. I consider checking up on this internet site a valid part of my hobby and I don't see any reason why an internet simulator should not be considered in the same fashion. 73 Doug VA3BD Reply to a comment by : AG6OC on 2009-06-10 I guess I agree with many other posters here. What you are referring to is a simulation of ham radio, a sort of internet game or a chat room made up to look as though one is using a radio. I thought the whole point of Amateur Radio was the radio part. I would liken what you are doing to the driving simulators one used when learning how to drive. There was a steering wheel, a gas pedal and a brake pedal. On a screen in front of you, perhaps a small simulated child darted out in front of the "car" and you had to stomp on the "brake" to get the "car" to stop and avoid hitting the simulated child. But there really was no car and no child. It was driving in the same sense as what you are describing is ham radio. That being said, it seems like a nifty way to chat around the world when one can't actually use RF - sort of like what we are all doing on eham and other ham radio websites. | ||
| VA3BD | 2009-06-10 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| It's great to have discussion on a topic and KI6ZRH's comments were an example of an appropriate response. But as for some of you other folks: 1. Please keep in the mind that the poor guy who wrote this article was obviously excited about a new piece of technology and just wanted to share this knowledge with other hams. I call that great ham spirit! 2. There was no need to write nasty comments about the author such as implying that he is a poor operator or not a real ham. I seem to remember a list from the front of the handbook that included "The ham radio operator is COURTEOUS and the operator is FRIENDLY" Some of the "real ham" posters out there might want to keep those suggestions in mind. 3. Politics again? - Can't we keep ham radio as the one place where we don't fight? There are many political chat rooms and phone in shows where you can air your opinions. I would respectfully suggest that in the true spirit of ham radio we keep this one topic off of the bands and off of this site. 4. Finally, to address the topic itself, while it may not involve a tx, the activity certainly revolves around the hobby of ham radio, just as this site does. I consider checking up on this internet site a valid part of my hobby and I don't see any reason why an internet simulator should not be considered in the same fashion. 73 Doug VA3BD Reply to a comment by : AG6OC on 2009-06-10 I guess I agree with many other posters here. What you are referring to is a simulation of ham radio, a sort of internet game or a chat room made up to look as though one is using a radio. I thought the whole point of Amateur Radio was the radio part. I would liken what you are doing to the driving simulators one used when learning how to drive. There was a steering wheel, a gas pedal and a brake pedal. On a screen in front of you, perhaps a small simulated child darted out in front of the "car" and you had to stomp on the "brake" to get the "car" to stop and avoid hitting the simulated child. But there really was no car and no child. It was driving in the same sense as what you are describing is ham radio. That being said, it seems like a nifty way to chat around the world when one can't actually use RF - sort of like what we are all doing on eham and other ham radio websites. | ||
| AG6OC | 2009-06-10 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| I guess I agree with many other posters here. What you are referring to is a simulation of ham radio, a sort of internet game or a chat room made up to look as though one is using a radio. I thought the whole point of Amateur Radio was the radio part. I would liken what you are doing to the driving simulators one used when learning how to drive. There was a steering wheel, a gas pedal and a brake pedal. On a screen in front of you, perhaps a small simulated child darted out in front of the "car" and you had to stomp on the "brake" to get the "car" to stop and avoid hitting the simulated child. But there really was no car and no child. It was driving in the same sense as what you are describing is ham radio. That being said, it seems like a nifty way to chat around the world when one can't actually use RF - sort of like what we are all doing on eham and other ham radio websites. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-09 | |
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| RE: edposing the myths | ||
| do i deny global warming? absolutely i do. it has become a religion and the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on this planet. remember your scientist pals concluded during the late 70's that we were entering another ice age! we actually are on the cooling side of the constantly changing (since the beginning of time) temperature roller coaster. global warming? kyoto protocols? right up there with money trees, pie in the sky and pink elephants! i do appreciate your effort to dig up the article in the cincinnati enquirer. i will give it a try and see what comes up! 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-09 Calling people "nutjobs" is a bit childish. I tried to look up for article. There were many articles that came up in the search. I did not see the one you mentioned.Also it is exposing not edposing. I can't spell. Only 8 homeless people. I do not believe that this can be extrapolated to the USA in general. Take a look at this please.http://www.mihomeless.org/MCAH/Welcome_files/Michigan%27s%202007%20Annual%20Report%20Final%20.pdf. It is about the demographics of homeless people in Michigan (estimated 79.000 homeless. Many are veterans. I wouldn't base by opinion on one article and a probable miscount in one newspaper article. Our military expenditures exceed those of the the rest of the world combined. Why pick on the homeless? I think there are better targets for your anger. I'd start with overpaid executives and "american' companies that incorporate overseas to avoid taxes. I think your preoccupation with the homeless is a bit weird. To get all the advantages of being homeless you could try to adopt that lifestyle. Many homeless are minors, many are mentally ill, many are veterans. Who are you to judge who is a nutcase? The "facts" from one local newspaper can't be extrapolated to the entire country and all counts of homeless. I guess in the one case you cited the counting was correct and all other counts are wrong. Counting homeless is difficult because they are homeless. Do you deny global warming? I don't need to know.BTW if there are only a tiny number of homeless (almost none) why is it such a big deal to you. I'm going back to my radio. I don't believe you exposed any myths, just provided some new ones. 73 Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-09 "A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors." no they are not..... absolute ridiculous nonsense!!! debunked lies to keep the money pouring in and keep homeless advocates in a job. Mentally ill need help? yes they do! thousands of poor women and children seeking shelter in empty buildings, homeless shelters and under bridges? bogus lies and complete fabrications, remember, the homeless advocates in cincinnati claimed 25,000 homeless in this area. 2000 census found 11 (yes eleven). please go to the "cincinnati enquirer" search engine, type in "homeless 2000 census" the articles will appear. i cite my statistics as opposed to the liberal nut jobs who simply "invent numbers and stories" to make their point. best 73 paul w8jn always exposing the truth... hiooo silverrr awayyyy Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-08 You really must have been upset during the Great Depression when so many people were milking the system. Where can I go to get free cheese?It's been years since there was a government cheese surplus. Ah, the good old days. We could gather up all these inferior people and put them in camps, but maybe their not inferior because they are cleverly avoiding taxes. Many of the homeless are helped by a community based service called "Loaves and Fishes" I think it is horrible how these people have been duped into helping others. A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors. Mentally ill people aren't necessarily evil. They are ill. I heard of a guy once that thought he was Hopalong Cassidy and another thought he was Sky King. "Who was that masked man?" I don't know, but he took away my government cheese." "He didn't give you anything for it." "Well, he gave me this silver bullet that is labeled "made in China"' 73 I'm off to the B-Bar-B. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| KB6YH | 2009-06-09 | |
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| RE: edposing the myths | ||
| Calling people "nutjobs" is a bit childish. I tried to look up for article. There were many articles that came up in the search. I did not see the one you mentioned.Also it is exposing not edposing. I can't spell. Only 8 homeless people. I do not believe that this can be extrapolated to the USA in general. Take a look at this please.http://www.mihomeless.org/MCAH/Welcome_files/Michigan%27s%202007%20Annual%20Report%20Final%20.pdf. It is about the demographics of homeless people in Michigan (estimated 79.000 homeless. Many are veterans. I wouldn't base by opinion on one article and a probable miscount in one newspaper article. Our military expenditures exceed those of the the rest of the world combined. Why pick on the homeless? I think there are better targets for your anger. I'd start with overpaid executives and "american' companies that incorporate overseas to avoid taxes. I think your preoccupation with the homeless is a bit weird. To get all the advantages of being homeless you could try to adopt that lifestyle. Many homeless are minors, many are mentally ill, many are veterans. Who are you to judge who is a nutcase? The "facts" from one local newspaper can't be extrapolated to the entire country and all counts of homeless. I guess in the one case you cited the counting was correct and all other counts are wrong. Counting homeless is difficult because they are homeless. Do you deny global warming? I don't need to know.BTW if there are only a tiny number of homeless (almost none) why is it such a big deal to you. I'm going back to my radio. I don't believe you exposed any myths, just provided some new ones. 73 Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-09 "A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors." no they are not..... absolute ridiculous nonsense!!! debunked lies to keep the money pouring in and keep homeless advocates in a job. Mentally ill need help? yes they do! thousands of poor women and children seeking shelter in empty buildings, homeless shelters and under bridges? bogus lies and complete fabrications, remember, the homeless advocates in cincinnati claimed 25,000 homeless in this area. 2000 census found 11 (yes eleven). please go to the "cincinnati enquirer" search engine, type in "homeless 2000 census" the articles will appear. i cite my statistics as opposed to the liberal nut jobs who simply "invent numbers and stories" to make their point. best 73 paul w8jn always exposing the truth... hiooo silverrr awayyyy Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-08 You really must have been upset during the Great Depression when so many people were milking the system. Where can I go to get free cheese?It's been years since there was a government cheese surplus. Ah, the good old days. We could gather up all these inferior people and put them in camps, but maybe their not inferior because they are cleverly avoiding taxes. Many of the homeless are helped by a community based service called "Loaves and Fishes" I think it is horrible how these people have been duped into helping others. A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors. Mentally ill people aren't necessarily evil. They are ill. I heard of a guy once that thought he was Hopalong Cassidy and another thought he was Sky King. "Who was that masked man?" I don't know, but he took away my government cheese." "He didn't give you anything for it." "Well, he gave me this silver bullet that is labeled "made in China"' 73 I'm off to the B-Bar-B. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| "A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors." no they are not..... absolute ridiculous nonsense!!! debunked lies to keep the money pouring in and keep homeless advocates in a job. Mentally ill need help? yes they do! thousands of poor women and children seeking shelter in empty buildings, homeless shelters and under bridges? bogus lies and complete fabrications, remember, the homeless advocates in cincinnati claimed 25,000 homeless in this area. 2000 census found 11 (yes eleven). please go to the "cincinnati enquirer" search engine, type in "homeless 2000 census" the articles will appear. i cite my statistics as opposed to the liberal nut jobs who simply "invent numbers and stories" to make their point. best 73 paul w8jn always exposing the truth... hiooo silverrr awayyyy Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-08 You really must have been upset during the Great Depression when so many people were milking the system. Where can I go to get free cheese?It's been years since there was a government cheese surplus. Ah, the good old days. We could gather up all these inferior people and put them in camps, but maybe their not inferior because they are cleverly avoiding taxes. Many of the homeless are helped by a community based service called "Loaves and Fishes" I think it is horrible how these people have been duped into helping others. A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors. Mentally ill people aren't necessarily evil. They are ill. I heard of a guy once that thought he was Hopalong Cassidy and another thought he was Sky King. "Who was that masked man?" I don't know, but he took away my government cheese." "He didn't give you anything for it." "Well, he gave me this silver bullet that is labeled "made in China"' 73 I'm off to the B-Bar-B. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| You really must have been upset during the Great Depression when so many people were milking the system. Where can I go to get free cheese?It's been years since there was a government cheese surplus. Ah, the good old days. We could gather up all these inferior people and put them in camps, but maybe their not inferior because they are cleverly avoiding taxes. Many of the homeless are helped by a community based service called "Loaves and Fishes" I think it is horrible how these people have been duped into helping others. A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors. Mentally ill people aren't necessarily evil. They are ill. I heard of a guy once that thought he was Hopalong Cassidy and another thought he was Sky King. "Who was that masked man?" I don't know, but he took away my government cheese." "He didn't give you anything for it." "Well, he gave me this silver bullet that is labeled "made in China"' 73 I'm off to the B-Bar-B. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| W8JN - They sure can't fool you, can they? Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-07 pardon my typo.. 5 affluent people living with relatives while their tornado home is rebuilt for 6 months counts as 900 homeless..... the homeless in sacramento, miami, sandiego, are not natives. they migrate there from cold climates so that they can panhandle in comfort and make $50k per year in unreported income. people who feel sorry for them and give them cash, enable them to live their life style. report after report shows , when given an opportunity to change their life style, they chose to stay where they were. there are people who legitimately need help from the government. they are NOT the people you see on the street or the 350 pound starving people lined up at the free store food bank to get their "government cheese". Think about it, someone who is really homeless must have pissed off lots of relatives. where we come from, we dont allow our family to be in need. by the way, you can come to my shack and play with my toys anytime, and its w8jn, not n8jn. how did this thread turn political?? the same nonsense you hear every day. we are not allowed to criticize, not allowed to disagree and when someone says that a new **program** saved someones life, ask two questions... how much did the government spend and is the supposed needy person really needy and better yet, does the subject of the tear jerker story really exist?? tippies life saved by a $32 per year program? give us a break. these three guys are the worst liars on the internet. there are lots of free programs that do the same, Billy Boy, Tippner, and the designer of the program (cq100) all in cahoots with each other to hit our wallets. I think closer examination will reveal nigerian ham calls. har har har best 73 paul w8jn hioooo sillverrr awayyyy Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| pardon my typo.. 5 affluent people living with relatives while their tornado home is rebuilt for 6 months counts as 900 homeless..... the homeless in sacramento, miami, sandiego, are not natives. they migrate there from cold climates so that they can panhandle in comfort and make $50k per year in unreported income. people who feel sorry for them and give them cash, enable them to live their life style. report after report shows , when given an opportunity to change their life style, they chose to stay where they were. there are people who legitimately need help from the government. they are NOT the people you see on the street or the 350 pound starving people lined up at the free store food bank to get their "government cheese". Think about it, someone who is really homeless must have pissed off lots of relatives. where we come from, we dont allow our family to be in need. by the way, you can come to my shack and play with my toys anytime, and its w8jn, not n8jn. how did this thread turn political?? the same nonsense you hear every day. we are not allowed to criticize, not allowed to disagree and when someone says that a new **program** saved someones life, ask two questions... how much did the government spend and is the supposed needy person really needy and better yet, does the subject of the tear jerker story really exist?? tippies life saved by a $32 per year program? give us a break. these three guys are the worst liars on the internet. there are lots of free programs that do the same, Billy Boy, Tippner, and the designer of the program (cq100) all in cahoots with each other to hit our wallets. I think closer examination will reveal nigerian ham calls. har har har best 73 paul w8jn hioooo sillverrr awayyyy Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| charles, type my call into eham call search and you will see my toys. i love these liberals... "put up wind turbines..(but not in my back yard"). Teddy Kennedy ps.... the hard core homeless are mentally ill and are homeless by choice. are all you liberals aware if your house burns down and you are a family of five , each day that you are out of your house counts as 5 homeless days? if you live with your parents for 6 months while your house is being rebuilt, the homeless advocates count your family as 5 X 6 months homeless people? your family now counts as 400 homeless over the 6 month period! the year 2000 census, they sent out 30 dedicated census workers to find the projected 25,000 homeless in cincinnati. they found 11... YES ELEVEN!!!! the census takers outnumbered the homeless almost 3-1... wow the truth hurts. 73 paul w8jn hi oooo silverrrr awayyyyyyy Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KC5NYJ on June 7, 2009 >How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? I can tell you why and how. For years, there has been a hoard of liberal knuckle-draggers trolling forums looking for any discussion and pipe up with some negative reference to the Right to use to prop up an argument. For example, someone might say "That's %&#$ed up". And, they pop of with it being like this or that Republican or conservative. Fast foreword to now, WE'VE FRIGGIN' HAD IT UP TO HERE. And now, not just me, but *we* are returning the favor. If these, as I said, knuckle-draggers actually listened to talk radio and not assume what's being said there by what they hear on the alphabet networks, they'd know why this is happening, all over the 'net. I'm done with this for now, 'by all. de NO6L Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| >by KC5NYJ on June 7, 2009 >How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? I can tell you why and how. For years, there has been a hoard of liberal knuckle-draggers trolling forums looking for any discussion and pipe up with some negative reference to the Right to use to prop up an argument. For example, someone might say "That's %&#$ed up". And, they pop of with it being like this or that Republican or conservative. Fast foreword to now, WE'VE FRIGGIN' HAD IT UP TO HERE. And now, not just me, but *we* are returning the favor. If these, as I said, knuckle-draggers actually listened to talk radio and not assume what's being said there by what they hear on the alphabet networks, they'd know why this is happening, all over the 'net. I'm done with this for now, 'by all. de NO6L Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| >by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Bush was an idiot when it came to handling almost everything, but, considering he inherited 9/11 from Clinton he did ok in spite of his extreme Left Wing Globalist agendas. As for a surplus, you are naive. There was no surplus, the amount of growth of the national debt was lower, BECAUSE THE CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS WE HAD FOR A TOO SHORT OF TIME LOWERED TAXES IN SPITE OF CLINTON. A lower growth of the debt does *NOT* make a surplus, no matter how the left spins it. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. As opposed to the Welfare Machine? Right, there's a fine example of bureaucratic efficiency. >I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS... Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS.... Like what, the fact that adult stem cells are better suited for medical treatments than fetal stem cells? Or, global warming is a krock and the climate's been cooling for the past 3 years? Or, man made Chlorofluorocarbons cause ozone holes, but not the ones from a volcano that can actually launch them into the upper atmosphere? That kind scientific research? You see, I agree, Bush was a moron, because all these things are easily disputed and he just let it slide, or, is he really a leftist like I said? And, you want us to take seriously what PBS and NPR have to say when they're just 'Crat party mouthpieces? I don't think so, I'd sooner get my news from CNN. Their politics may twisted-upsidedown, but at least they're privately owned. >Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. It's not any kind of radio. It's fake, like the junk science spouted by Left leaning "news agencies". >I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. Then tries to use the guilt card. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| >by W8JN on June 7, 2009 >hey n6ol, where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!! WARFA Net Tues 8 PT Tues 3.908 and 3.840, for now, if I'm not there one night, I'll be sometime, after all, I'm not on *every night*, right KB6YH! >...and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments... And I'm good on QRZ with a picture of my modest install. Where's that photo that KB6YH is apoplectic about? I want to see it, too, for a different reason, to dream about my "Dream Shack" and compliment you on yours. 73 de NO6L Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-07 hey n6ol, where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!! and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments. i worked hard collecting all that stuff and do not suffer from "white guilt" i do not feel the need to share my toys with the less fortunate. i do not need to open my home to the homeless(another liberal myth) there are no homeless in the usa. the truth is, homeless people in the usa are the hard core mentally ill. almost all choose to be homeless. i'll bet you actually give money to the frauds who stand on the street corners with "homeless God bless" signs. ever notice their clothes are clean and they are well groomed, like they just took a shower before their "vanpool" picked them up for their daily homeless scam???? 73 paul w8jn... exposing more liberal lies and proud of it!!!!! Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 "I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!" I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free. This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-07 A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| by KB6YH on June 7, 2009 >"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..." Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone: Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics. Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs Wed, wasn't on the air Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics Fri, wasn't on Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics >"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..." Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times. Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later. Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too. >"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..." What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES! Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay $250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to... >>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<< There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State. Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| I did not urge you to share the equipment in your shack. I do not donate to the guys on street corners. I did not urge you to share your home. You suppose all this so it is "true" to you. Your assumption that all homeless are mentally ill is also a assumption.The assumption that most homeless want to be homeless is typical right-wing propaganda. I might have misstated that No^L is the guy on 75 meters that "informed." A quote from Rassmusin Polls:In the final full month of his Presidency, just 13% of American adults said they Strongly Approved of the way that George W. Bush performed his job as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapproved. That gives the President a -30 rating on the Presidential Approval Index. I got a note saying that Obama's zero rating was the lowest ever according to the same pollsters. Bill Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-07 hey n6ol, where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!! and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments. i worked hard collecting all that stuff and do not suffer from "white guilt" i do not feel the need to share my toys with the less fortunate. i do not need to open my home to the homeless(another liberal myth) there are no homeless in the usa. the truth is, homeless people in the usa are the hard core mentally ill. almost all choose to be homeless. i'll bet you actually give money to the frauds who stand on the street corners with "homeless God bless" signs. ever notice their clothes are clean and they are well groomed, like they just took a shower before their "vanpool" picked them up for their daily homeless scam???? 73 paul w8jn... exposing more liberal lies and proud of it!!!!! Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 "I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!" I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free. This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-07 A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| hey n6ol, where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!! and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments. i worked hard collecting all that stuff and do not suffer from "white guilt" i do not feel the need to share my toys with the less fortunate. i do not need to open my home to the homeless(another liberal myth) there are no homeless in the usa. the truth is, homeless people in the usa are the hard core mentally ill. almost all choose to be homeless. i'll bet you actually give money to the frauds who stand on the street corners with "homeless God bless" signs. ever notice their clothes are clean and they are well groomed, like they just took a shower before their "vanpool" picked them up for their daily homeless scam???? 73 paul w8jn... exposing more liberal lies and proud of it!!!!! Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 "I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!" I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free. This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-07 A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| " communication by hams using ham radio operating procedures via the internet" So, with that logic, Mario Kart racing is the same as NASCAR. Reply to a comment by : K5TED on 2009-06-07 "I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!" I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free. This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-07 A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| K5TED | 2009-06-07 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!" I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free. This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-07 A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-07 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet. The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval. A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction. "The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said. The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve. The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove. Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt. Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said. The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence. Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-07 I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| KB6YH | 2009-06-07 | |
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| I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-07 >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-07 | |
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| >by KB6YH on June 6, 2009 >Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left. >What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck". >I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office. So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-06 Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| KB6YH | 2009-06-06 | |
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| Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| KB6YH | 2009-06-06 | |
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| Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub... $9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-06 >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-06 | |
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| >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. Reply to a comment by : W5GNB on 2009-05-27 I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB | ||
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| >by DL3ZM on May 27, 2009 >Please America tell me that you do not have more people like Mr. Trippy Brown! Please tell me that this is just one individual opinion and that there are still a lot of radio operators in the US. Other wise I fear we can close amateur radio. Hans-Georg (DL3ZM) No, don't give up on us Hans. We're still here and most have no intention on replacing real radio with a simulator, my friend. Some day we may QSO on the air, but I'm mostly a ragchewer, so it'll be a while. 73 Chuck de NO6L Reply to a comment by : DL3ZM on 2009-05-27 Please America tell me that you do not have more people like Mr. Trippy Brown! Please tell me that this is just one individual opinion and that there are still a lot of radio operators in the US. Other wise I fear we can close amateur radio. Hans-Georg (DL3ZM) | ||
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| >by WA8MEA on June 6, 2009 >Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. >*****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.***** I myself never said it was a bad idea. But why not link the two together using CQ100 as a portal so the people that can't participate in traditional Amateur Radio actually get on the air, for real? There's a bunch here on the west coast that have been doing it for years using TS-2000s and computers. Now would that not be REALLY empowering someone? Or, maybe it's giving them too much. Hmmm, I wonder... >...I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching --> FAUX News <-- ... W8JN, good call on his ideology! >(Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!) Once again, we're confronted by someone trying to make a stab at our "Guilt Lobe", which, mine is thankfully very undeveloped, because I have nothing to feel guilty about. But it's still obnoxious to read or hear it attempted. And I am a *real* Radio Amateur. Now, you want to talk about empowering? Ok, you asked for it, I was instrumental in getting a VERY dyslexic radio amateur licensed, and due to his powers of observation that offset his reading disability and can-do attitude, he makes a fantastic and valuable member of the amateur community. And, he would not touch this CQ100 thing with a 10 foot pole in it's current incarnation because radio is not involved in any way. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. But, after getting on during the trial period, I met several hams who otherwise would never have an opportunity to talk to the ham community. Many live in areas with antenna restrictions, some do not have radio gear *****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.***** I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching FAUX News or the History channel while sipping coffee. I would never normally talk to stations down under in Australia with my meager 100 watt radios so CQ100 does have it's place here in the shack. As far as Echolink goes, it is too difficult to setup and use. Besides, I like the CQ100 radio on my screen since it looks so cool compared to my boring IC7800 weighing over 60 pounds. ------------------------------------------------------ (Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!) Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From Dave, AB9PM: The CQ 100 was a great innovative idea. For those hams who cannot maintain their permanent station because of age, or living conditions it gives them a great venue to continue in the hobby. No it doesn't give you the ability to put your "signal" on the air, but it allows communications for amateur radio operators with restrictions. It can also be a good venue for new hams to learn protocol while not on the air yet. It is a hams only association and I think that is a positive thing. It was a great idea, and more amateurs are joining over time. I am glad to have had the opportunity to participate, and I did join the group. I have experienced some very good conversations with different hams in other countries. It gave me a new perspective on my own living in the United States. I complemented the owner of the system for his innovative idea. I like the look of having a rig in front of me with controls and a fake "s" meter. If you have a decent hf station it may not be for you, as you can realize your ham experience on the air. However for those less fortunate it is a great alternative experience and I hope other amateurs around the world continue to join. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From W2BLC: I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation. CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM. The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| W8JN, And here all along we get bombarded by the Left about how evil capitalism, corporations and even small business is. But, give them something like this or global warming and all the sudden they find out you can make money on it, either through grants, save the children or empower the disabled. It's no different, the money's the same color, it's just that business doesn't generally lie about their motivation, the Left does. Why not call it what it is, a specialized, online VOIP chatroom for radio amateurs by invitation only. I know it's a mouthfull, but not as a subtitle. I would hope the reason is not to sound exclusionary. So what if it is, Amateur Radio, by it's very nature is exclusionary, you need a license and have to have a certain amount of knowledge to get it. On the other hand, CB and open online forums are not exclusionary, and look what a mess they are! I do have a problem with a statement he made. He said 200,000 members. Ok, prove that. I want proof that there are 200,000 members. Not just hearsay. I could tell you I have some kind of service, have 10 clients and claim 1000. How could I be disputed? Client lists are protected by law. You would have to take my word for it. Well, I'm *not* taking his word for it no matter how uncomfortable it is. Now, if they want to attract attention from someone like me, link with some volunteers, or even pay them, to link to HF rigs. They can use scripting through Java or PHP to verify their license and that they are who they say they are. Now THAT would be worth $32 a year. This would be really cool, because if say you were in a situation where you could not get at an antenna or were over seas on business, you could still get on HF, for real, albeit by subscription, anywhere in the world. Or, just use the simulator. Until then, it's just a VOIP chat service offered to radio amateurs only. There are dozens of free or nearly free services you can set something like this up on without a proprietary software application, and they would not be Amateur Radio either. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| BTW, the above was furnished by K3ROJ.... Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. But, after getting on during the trial period, I met several hams who otherwise would never have an opportunity to talk to the ham community. Many live in areas with antenna restrictions, some do not have radio gear *****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.***** I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching FAUX News or the History channel while sipping coffee. I would never normally talk to stations down under in Australia with my meager 100 watt radios so CQ100 does have it's place here in the shack. As far as Echolink goes, it is too difficult to setup and use. Besides, I like the CQ100 radio on my screen since it looks so cool compared to my boring IC7800 weighing over 60 pounds. ------------------------------------------------------ (Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!) Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From Dave, AB9PM: The CQ 100 was a great innovative idea. For those hams who cannot maintain their permanent station because of age, or living conditions it gives them a great venue to continue in the hobby. No it doesn't give you the ability to put your "signal" on the air, but it allows communications for amateur radio operators with restrictions. It can also be a good venue for new hams to learn protocol while not on the air yet. It is a hams only association and I think that is a positive thing. It was a great idea, and more amateurs are joining over time. I am glad to have had the opportunity to participate, and I did join the group. I have experienced some very good conversations with different hams in other countries. It gave me a new perspective on my own living in the United States. I complemented the owner of the system for his innovative idea. I like the look of having a rig in front of me with controls and a fake "s" meter. If you have a decent hf station it may not be for you, as you can realize your ham experience on the air. However for those less fortunate it is a great alternative experience and I hope other amateurs around the world continue to join. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From W2BLC: I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation. CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM. The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. But, after getting on during the trial period, I met several hams who otherwise would never have an opportunity to talk to the ham community. Many live in areas with antenna restrictions, some do not have radio gear *****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.***** I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching FAUX News or the History channel while sipping coffee. I would never normally talk to stations down under in Australia with my meager 100 watt radios so CQ100 does have it's place here in the shack. As far as Echolink goes, it is too difficult to setup and use. Besides, I like the CQ100 radio on my screen since it looks so cool compared to my boring IC7800 weighing over 60 pounds. ------------------------------------------------------ (Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!) Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From Dave, AB9PM: The CQ 100 was a great innovative idea. For those hams who cannot maintain their permanent station because of age, or living conditions it gives them a great venue to continue in the hobby. No it doesn't give you the ability to put your "signal" on the air, but it allows communications for amateur radio operators with restrictions. It can also be a good venue for new hams to learn protocol while not on the air yet. It is a hams only association and I think that is a positive thing. It was a great idea, and more amateurs are joining over time. I am glad to have had the opportunity to participate, and I did join the group. I have experienced some very good conversations with different hams in other countries. It gave me a new perspective on my own living in the United States. I complemented the owner of the system for his innovative idea. I like the look of having a rig in front of me with controls and a fake "s" meter. If you have a decent hf station it may not be for you, as you can realize your ham experience on the air. However for those less fortunate it is a great alternative experience and I hope other amateurs around the world continue to join. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From W2BLC: I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation. CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM. The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| From Dave, AB9PM: The CQ 100 was a great innovative idea. For those hams who cannot maintain their permanent station because of age, or living conditions it gives them a great venue to continue in the hobby. No it doesn't give you the ability to put your "signal" on the air, but it allows communications for amateur radio operators with restrictions. It can also be a good venue for new hams to learn protocol while not on the air yet. It is a hams only association and I think that is a positive thing. It was a great idea, and more amateurs are joining over time. I am glad to have had the opportunity to participate, and I did join the group. I have experienced some very good conversations with different hams in other countries. It gave me a new perspective on my own living in the United States. I complemented the owner of the system for his innovative idea. I like the look of having a rig in front of me with controls and a fake "s" meter. If you have a decent hf station it may not be for you, as you can realize your ham experience on the air. However for those less fortunate it is a great alternative experience and I hope other amateurs around the world continue to join. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 From W2BLC: I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation. CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM. The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| From W2BLC: I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation. CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM. The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-06 | |
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| >by KG4TKC on June 6, 2009 >The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green In other words, just *SAYING* CQ100 is Amateur Radio and someone who claims (only because I don't know him personally) he is disabled somehow, *SAYS* it is, does *NOT* make CQ100 Amateur Radio. It's not, will never be, can never be and has never been. And all the politically correct double talk will not make it Amateur Radio. With one exception, if someone links it to the *REAL* world of RF. In which case, it would be rendered irrelevant because at that point you might as well just remote your rig through UHF or the Internet. Amateur Radio is not just what is described in the article, it's the: QRN QRM Selective fading Multipath distortion Faraday rotation SWR Soldering iron burns Blown down antennas Blown up amps Lost rare ones QSL cards lost in the mail Lids Pirates Slims Trolls It's all Amateur Radio, the good *AND* the bad. Live it all, or leave it. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'," as posted on wordwizard.com Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Isn't constantly saying someone is "beating a dead horse", ad nauseam, the same thing? If you're secure in your conclusions, friggin' ignore it! Or, is there a grain of truth at minimum and your conscience a little tattered. If not, let it go or people will continue amusing themselves at your expense. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 Flogging A Dead Horse Wisdom says that when you discover you are flogging a dead horse, the best strategy is to cease. However, on Internet discussion boards (For example, eHam.com), people often try other strategies. These can include the following: * Buying a stronger whip. * Change floggers. * Saying things like "this is the way we always have flogged dead horses". * Appointing a committee to study the flogging of dead horses. * Arranging to visit other websites (QRZ for instance) to see how they flog dead horses. * Increasing the standards of flogging dead horses. * Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse. * Creating a training session to increase our flogging abilities. * Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment. * Pass a resolution declaring that "this horse is not dead". * Blaming the horse's parents. * Flogging several dead horses together for increased satisfaction. * Declaring that, "No horse is too dead to beat." * Providing additional funding to increase the dead horse's performance. * Do a study to see if contractors can flog it for less. * Declare the dead horse is "better, faster and cheaper" after flogging. * Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses. * Revisit the performance requirements for dead horses. * Say this dead horse was procured with eHam subscription monies. * Promote the dead horse to a moderators position. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." George W Bush "You can never fool me. Get your hand off my wallet and tell your sob pitiful story to a real fool" w8jn Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 While snarlers strive with proud but fruitless pain.... To wound immortals, or to slay the slain. To twice slay the slain, by dint of the brain.... is but labor in vain, unproductive of gain. Thomas Henry Huxley Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'," as posted on wordwizard.com Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Flogging A Dead Horse Wisdom says that when you discover you are flogging a dead horse, the best strategy is to cease. However, on Internet discussion boards (For example, eHam.com), people often try other strategies. These can include the following: * Buying a stronger whip. * Change floggers. * Saying things like "this is the way we always have flogged dead horses". * Appointing a committee to study the flogging of dead horses. * Arranging to visit other websites (QRZ for instance) to see how they flog dead horses. * Increasing the standards of flogging dead horses. * Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse. * Creating a training session to increase our flogging abilities. * Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment. * Pass a resolution declaring that "this horse is not dead". * Blaming the horse's parents. * Flogging several dead horses together for increased satisfaction. * Declaring that, "No horse is too dead to beat." * Providing additional funding to increase the dead horse's performance. * Do a study to see if contractors can flog it for less. * Declare the dead horse is "better, faster and cheaper" after flogging. * Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses. * Revisit the performance requirements for dead horses. * Say this dead horse was procured with eHam subscription monies. * Promote the dead horse to a moderators position. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-06 "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." George W Bush "You can never fool me. Get your hand off my wallet and tell your sob pitiful story to a real fool" w8jn Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 While snarlers strive with proud but fruitless pain.... To wound immortals, or to slay the slain. To twice slay the slain, by dint of the brain.... is but labor in vain, unproductive of gain. Thomas Henry Huxley Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." George W Bush "You can never fool me. Get your hand off my wallet and tell your sob pitiful story to a real fool" w8jn Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-06 While snarlers strive with proud but fruitless pain.... To wound immortals, or to slay the slain. To twice slay the slain, by dint of the brain.... is but labor in vain, unproductive of gain. Thomas Henry Huxley Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| While snarlers strive with proud but fruitless pain.... To wound immortals, or to slay the slain. To twice slay the slain, by dint of the brain.... is but labor in vain, unproductive of gain. Thomas Henry Huxley Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-06-06 To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-06 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| As rigor mortis sets in on the old horse.... ....while flies and gnats are swarming and feeding off the decomposing flesh of this murdered palomino.... The floggings continue....unmercifully....unabated.... The stench is overwhelming.... The small crowd continues the whippings in almost a joyful, frenzied, yet satanic-like trance. Crack after crack, you can almost hear the horse cry out in pain....even in death....with each lash handed down. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-05 Bill its Not a dead horse. You and your boys were simply exposed as a bunch of frauds, trying to make a few$$$ with a bogus story about a tear jerker disabled ham who "didnt jump off the ledge" because of some $32 per year program. Wow, you and your pals just underestimated the crowd. You actually had some fooled. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." A. Lincoln. Come back next week and tell us a story about a man who lost both of his arms in an automobile accident, but some new $44 a year program allowed him to send cw with his eye movement. I am feeling a tear well up in my eye thinking about that poor double amputee. best 73 Paul w8jn gidd-i-yupp horseee hio silver awayyyy Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 Whip it.... Whip it good.... Whip it even if it's the horse is now dead.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-05 oh, c'mon. she's good for another rodeo or two... :0 73 Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-04 quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-05 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Bill its Not a dead horse. You and your boys were simply exposed as a bunch of frauds, trying to make a few$$$ with a bogus story about a tear jerker disabled ham who "didnt jump off the ledge" because of some $32 per year program. Wow, you and your pals just underestimated the crowd. You actually had some fooled. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." A. Lincoln. Come back next week and tell us a story about a man who lost both of his arms in an automobile accident, but some new $44 a year program allowed him to send cw with his eye movement. I am feeling a tear well up in my eye thinking about that poor double amputee. best 73 Paul w8jn gidd-i-yupp horseee hio silver awayyyy Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 Whip it.... Whip it good.... Whip it even if it's the horse is now dead.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-05 oh, c'mon. she's good for another rodeo or two... :0 73 Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-04 quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-05 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Whip it.... Whip it good.... Whip it even if it's the horse is now dead.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-05 oh, c'mon. she's good for another rodeo or two... :0 73 Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-04 quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| K5END | 2009-06-05 | |
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| oh, c'mon. she's good for another rodeo or two... :0 73 Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-06-05 beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-04 quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-06-05 | |
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| beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-04 quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| K5END | 2009-06-04 | |
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| quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-06-03 Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| KB6YH | 2009-06-03 | |
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| Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill Reply to a comment by : KD4Q on 2009-06-03 Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| KD4Q | 2009-06-03 | |
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| Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. Reply to a comment by : NO6L on 2009-06-03 >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| NO6L | 2009-06-03 | |
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| >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to $20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L Reply to a comment by : WX1F on 2009-05-24 Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Reply to a comment by : L1D on 2009-05-24 Is this an Ad? If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free. Reply to a comment by : WW3ZZ on 2009-05-24 Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM. | ||
| W7ETA | 2009-06-03 | |
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| It sure would be if you plugged your lightning bug into your rig. Reply to a comment by : K4DPK on 2009-06-02 How was the QSL card from VU filled out? Does ARRL count this sort of "contact" towards DXCC and other awards? If so, it casts suspicion on all awards, doesn't it? If you were to collect lightning bugs for a hobby, would it be ham radio if you wrote your call on the jar? Jeez. Phil C. Sr. K4DPK Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-02 David, Good luck. If he says no, there are many ways around "NO". best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : WS2L on 2009-06-02 Over the 30 years I have been licensed I have had periods of time as short as a few months to several years I did not even turn a radio on. I don't think that anything could cause me to walk away from the hobby entirely. I am retired so I enjoy getting on the radio and try to encounter conversations that are longer than your call, name, signal report and location. I have even tried digital modes which I enjoy very much. Currently I moved into a new QTH and I have to have a talk with my landlord about putting up some kind of antenna so that I can get back on the air. | ||
| K4DPK | 2009-06-02 | |
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| How was the QSL card from VU filled out? Does ARRL count this sort of "contact" towards DXCC and other awards? If so, it casts suspicion on all awards, doesn't it? If you were to collect lightning bugs for a hobby, would it be ham radio if you wrote your call on the jar? Jeez. Phil C. Sr. K4DPK Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-02 David, Good luck. If he says no, there are many ways around "NO". best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : WS2L on 2009-06-02 Over the 30 years I have been licensed I have had periods of time as short as a few months to several years I did not even turn a radio on. I don't think that anything could cause me to walk away from the hobby entirely. I am retired so I enjoy getting on the radio and try to encounter conversations that are longer than your call, name, signal report and location. I have even tried digital modes which I enjoy very much. Currently I moved into a new QTH and I have to have a talk with my landlord about putting up some kind of antenna so that I can get back on the air. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-02 | |
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| David, Good luck. If he says no, there are many ways around "NO". best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : WS2L on 2009-06-02 Over the 30 years I have been licensed I have had periods of time as short as a few months to several years I did not even turn a radio on. I don't think that anything could cause me to walk away from the hobby entirely. I am retired so I enjoy getting on the radio and try to encounter conversations that are longer than your call, name, signal report and location. I have even tried digital modes which I enjoy very much. Currently I moved into a new QTH and I have to have a talk with my landlord about putting up some kind of antenna so that I can get back on the air. | ||
| WS2L | 2009-06-02 | |
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| Over the 30 years I have been licensed I have had periods of time as short as a few months to several years I did not even turn a radio on. I don't think that anything could cause me to walk away from the hobby entirely. I am retired so I enjoy getting on the radio and try to encounter conversations that are longer than your call, name, signal report and location. I have even tried digital modes which I enjoy very much. Currently I moved into a new QTH and I have to have a talk with my landlord about putting up some kind of antenna so that I can get back on the air. | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-06-02 | |
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| No it asks me for a subscription Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-06-01 quote, "I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio." But the point is, I'm sure you realize, is talking to other Hams at the club doesn't count as logging QSOs or help you win a contest. Does your club open its meeting with the statement, "is the frequency in use?" Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-06-01 I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio. Reply to a comment by : W3HR on 2009-06-01 >>It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. << That's exactly what's wrong with the hobby; there's too many people carrying ham tickets who think they can make their own rules and turn it into a free-for-all. It's the CB mentality: "Don't bother me with the facts, I'm modjutating." Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| K5END | 2009-06-01 | |
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| quote, "I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio." But the point is, I'm sure you realize, is talking to other Hams at the club doesn't count as logging QSOs or help you win a contest. Does your club open its meeting with the statement, "is the frequency in use?" Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-06-01 I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio. Reply to a comment by : W3HR on 2009-06-01 >>It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. << That's exactly what's wrong with the hobby; there's too many people carrying ham tickets who think they can make their own rules and turn it into a free-for-all. It's the CB mentality: "Don't bother me with the facts, I'm modjutating." Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-06-01 | |
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| I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio. Reply to a comment by : W3HR on 2009-06-01 >>It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. << That's exactly what's wrong with the hobby; there's too many people carrying ham tickets who think they can make their own rules and turn it into a free-for-all. It's the CB mentality: "Don't bother me with the facts, I'm modjutating." Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| W3HR | 2009-06-01 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| >>It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. << That's exactly what's wrong with the hobby; there's too many people carrying ham tickets who think they can make their own rules and turn it into a free-for-all. It's the CB mentality: "Don't bother me with the facts, I'm modjutating." Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
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| . Echolink as you described shouldn't be included or discussed as part of this disagreement. If I remote control my radio with logging software or HRD from my living room out to the Hamshack behind the house (or in a QSO party from the front seat of the car to the backseat where the radio is mounted) I'm doing essentially the same thing, and I'm still doing Ham radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8RWR on 2009-06-01 "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| KC8RWR | 2009-06-01 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. | ||
| K8QV | 2009-06-01 | |
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| RE: my vote??? make it a contest !!! | ||
| "HOMERUN CHAMPION Barry Bonds **CEVS** (chemically enhanced via steroids)" I like the idea of making distinctions when someone is not following the agreed upon rules of the game (cheating). But the Barry Bonds analogy is better suited to comparison with a radio contester running a few too many kilowatts of extra and illegal power. At least Mr. Bonds swung a bat and the cheating contester was actually on the air. Cheating at the game is one thing, but not even playing the game is a different situation in my world. I give up. You who believe that the Internet chat rooms are the same thing as amateur radio, have at it. You may even see me playing at radio on the Internet, I just won't be entering any contests. There just wouldn't be any sense of accomplishment. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-06-01 Who cares if internet contacts are considered part of contesting. Let's have a category in the contest column. For example, if Trippy wins the contest. It might look something like this. "Trippy 2300 contacts **ICRC**" (internet chatroom contacts). This would be something like MLB. having a special category listing, HOMERUN CHAMPION Barry Bonds **CEVS** (chemically enhanced via steroids) Or the Taiwanese winning the 13 and under WORLD SERIES knothole baseball championship, 13 and under WORLD CHAMPIONS **UA19YOP** (using a 19 year old pitcher). Or the Chinese winning the gold for team championship in womens gymnastics, where the minimum age is 14. WORLD CHAMPIONS **ABA11YO** (aided by an 11 year old). Then how about those French Ice Skaters? We could have a contest category of **TJCFMAIW** (the judges cheated for me and I won category). Let us not forget Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. Lets have the **HWWUIKHTD** (he was winning until i knocked his tower down category) All you guys who are opposed to chatroom contesting, shame on you! Use your imagination.... the possibilities are endless! As Don King said "ONLY IN AMERICA"!!! Reply to a comment by : KG4ZVA on 2009-06-01 absolutely rediculous! all you "REAL" HAMS who talk about computers not being radio and how computers and radios should not interact while sitting at a COMPUTER! you're ALL doing the SAME thing! you're not sitting at a radio, you are typing on a computer! talk about HYPOCRITES! if you so-called "real" hams ARE "REAL" hams, then i shouldnt ever see any of your call signs posted in these or other comments again. WHY? because you're talking on a computer not on a radio. thats NOT ham radio remember? Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-06-01 "However, let's not ever compromise this cq100 transceiver version! Folks, you all don't know this, but I have been working behind the seens to get this program respected by more of the hams on HF. Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed! I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" This is a quote from "Trippy" on qso.net. The agenda is NOT to simply enjoy Internet chats with other hams, but to legitimize the software and medium of the Internet as a recognized ham band. Also, he DOES think it is real radio. "Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed!" "I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" Get it yet? Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-06-01 | |
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| my vote??? make it a contest !!! | ||
| Who cares if internet contacts are considered part of contesting. Let's have a category in the contest column. For example, if Trippy wins the contest. It might look something like this. "Trippy 2300 contacts **ICRC**" (internet chatroom contacts). This would be something like MLB. having a special category listing, HOMERUN CHAMPION Barry Bonds **CEVS** (chemically enhanced via steroids) Or the Taiwanese winning the 13 and under WORLD SERIES knothole baseball championship, 13 and under WORLD CHAMPIONS **UA19YOP** (using a 19 year old pitcher). Or the Chinese winning the gold for team championship in womens gymnastics, where the minimum age is 14. WORLD CHAMPIONS **ABA11YO** (aided by an 11 year old). Then how about those French Ice Skaters? We could have a contest category of **TJCFMAIW** (the judges cheated for me and I won category). Let us not forget Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. Lets have the **HWWUIKHTD** (he was winning until i knocked his tower down category) All you guys who are opposed to chatroom contesting, shame on you! Use your imagination.... the possibilities are endless! As Don King said "ONLY IN AMERICA"!!! Reply to a comment by : KG4ZVA on 2009-06-01 absolutely rediculous! all you "REAL" HAMS who talk about computers not being radio and how computers and radios should not interact while sitting at a COMPUTER! you're ALL doing the SAME thing! you're not sitting at a radio, you are typing on a computer! talk about HYPOCRITES! if you so-called "real" hams ARE "REAL" hams, then i shouldnt ever see any of your call signs posted in these or other comments again. WHY? because you're talking on a computer not on a radio. thats NOT ham radio remember? Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-06-01 "However, let's not ever compromise this cq100 transceiver version! Folks, you all don't know this, but I have been working behind the seens to get this program respected by more of the hams on HF. Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed! I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" This is a quote from "Trippy" on qso.net. The agenda is NOT to simply enjoy Internet chats with other hams, but to legitimize the software and medium of the Internet as a recognized ham band. Also, he DOES think it is real radio. "Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed!" "I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" Get it yet? Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| KG4ZVA | 2009-06-01 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| absolutely rediculous! all you "REAL" HAMS who talk about computers not being radio and how computers and radios should not interact while sitting at a COMPUTER! you're ALL doing the SAME thing! you're not sitting at a radio, you are typing on a computer! talk about HYPOCRITES! if you so-called "real" hams ARE "REAL" hams, then i shouldnt ever see any of your call signs posted in these or other comments again. WHY? because you're talking on a computer not on a radio. thats NOT ham radio remember? Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-06-01 "However, let's not ever compromise this cq100 transceiver version! Folks, you all don't know this, but I have been working behind the seens to get this program respected by more of the hams on HF. Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed! I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" This is a quote from "Trippy" on qso.net. The agenda is NOT to simply enjoy Internet chats with other hams, but to legitimize the software and medium of the Internet as a recognized ham band. Also, he DOES think it is real radio. "Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed!" "I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" Get it yet? Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| K8QV | 2009-06-01 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "However, let's not ever compromise this cq100 transceiver version! Folks, you all don't know this, but I have been working behind the seens to get this program respected by more of the hams on HF. Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed! I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" This is a quote from "Trippy" on qso.net. The agenda is NOT to simply enjoy Internet chats with other hams, but to legitimize the software and medium of the Internet as a recognized ham band. Also, he DOES think it is real radio. "Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed!" "I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" Get it yet? Reply to a comment by : N0JYC on 2009-06-01 Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| N0JYC | 2009-06-01 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-31 get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-05-31 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-31 doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-31 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making $9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at $32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-31 Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| WD4PRS | 2009-05-31 | |
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| I was innactive for 18 years, because i visualized H.R. as a bunch of red neck licenced CBers, with phoney southern accents. Then I came back when I rediscovered CW. No rednecky comments, no obnoxious language etc. I settled in with an ARC5 TX, and HW16 rcvr. great fun, good guys. Then FCC took away my section of CW, treated my class Gen licence as unimportant and jammed every lower license into Gen.and removed the CW requirements. I think anyone that wants to do this is great, because it frees up some of the CW congestion. I wish more would switch over. I watched a guy at a park all hooked up to a computer, sitting back with a beer. Then bragging about how many contacts he had made. He didn't make 1 contact, the computer did all the work. Where is the skill in that? I personnaly will not answer, or contact a computer if I can help it. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| W7ETA | 2009-05-31 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-05-31 | |
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| I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-05-31 | |
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| Doug....you should have stayed out of this. There are enough sensible hams to fight the good fight. Now the nut jobs in here will be unmerciful to you, your business and your entrepreneurial spirit. (Not that they haven't been doing so already. However, now that you've entered the picture...it will increase ten fold.) According to someone in this discussion, I...along with the author of this article....are suppose to be in business with you. Did you know that? We didn't. But anyway...they MUST be telling the truth so therefore....we want a "cut" of the action! We also want to buy million dollar homes and brand new cars. After this thread, I was tempted to write and submit my own article entitled: "It's Societal, Not Amateur Radio"....referencing the outright libelous, defamatory, threatening, abusive and obnoxious behavior we've seen lately on eHam. (Especially this thread....) Now I'm not so sure. I really have to wonder if it's BOTH societal AND amateur radio.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : VE3EFC on 2009-05-31 I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| VE3EFC | 2009-05-31 | |
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| I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge $32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to $76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-31 | |
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| . Anyone else notice the horse is dead? Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-31 Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-05-31 | |
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| Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-05-31 | |
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| I feel strongly that this is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Especially for our aging ham population, many of whom have become isolated in nursing home, condo and other places that restrict antenna and ham radio in general. This enables the handicap, sick, peoples living in very poor reception areas, people who travel a lot and can't take their gear with them, people who don't have the money for expensive "real radios" to continue to enjoy their chosen hobby, even people on vacation can still enjoy their hobby. After all, the basis for enjoyment of any hobby is what you get out of it. This is just another way of enjoying your hobby. While it is certainly not for everybody, it is nice to be able to make contacts anywhere, anytime, regardless of your situation or having to rely on the propagation. ========================================================== Well said, James. And I've been saying exactly the same thing all along. I want to add yet ANOTHER possibility for the CQ100, Echolink or eQSO options: LIGHTNING! I NEVER run my rigs during thunderstorms. However....we have days during the summer where storms seem to be non-stop, everyday. I plan on downloading CQ100 to my laptop. That way, during thunderstorms, I can sit at my dining room table....use radio waves to connect to my wireless router....and then have some conversations (notice I didn't use QSO!) while the storm rages on. If the storm causes a power failure and my 'puter goes down, I still have my battery operated HT with car charger. Just SO MANY facets to this hobby. It is really remarkable. 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : W5WAA on 2009-05-31 I feel strongly that this is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Especially for our aging ham population, many of whom have become isolated in nursing home, condo and other places that restrict antenna and ham radio in general. This enables the handicap, sick, peoples living in very poor reception areas, people who travel a lot and can't take their gear with them, people who don't have the money for expensive "real radios" to continue to enjoy their chosen hobby, even people on vacation can still enjoy their hobby. After all, the basis for enjoyment of any hobby is what you get out of it. This is just another way of enjoying your hobby. While it is certainly not for everybody, it is nice to be able to make contacts anywhere, anytime, regardless of your situation or having to rely on the propagation. | ||
| OE5AKM | 2009-05-31 | |
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| In my opinion the question is not whether CQ100 is Amateur Radio or not. The true question is: Should we open up our hobby to Amateur Radio over IP (ARoIP) or not. I think we should! Amateur Radio + ARoIP = Amateur Telecom 73, Alfred, OE5AKM Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-30 "But Trippy, people say, this isn’t real hf, you don’t have an antenna up! Oh I know that......" ANyone else wanna proclaim what the author stated at the beginning? Its not ham radio? Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-30 ed, most of us get it. this is not an issue of real or pretend ham radio. i downloaded two of these slick pretend radios. they are fun and a great way for a person to get the feel for ham radio. the real issue here is bill and tippner trying to shamelessly use a disability to lie to us and push a chatroom service, that, according to the developers, is currently making $9,000,000 per year for tippenee, bill and the boss. it is a sin to use a disability to guilt people into opening their wallets and buying something that is available for free. this is like the old "buy a light bulb scam from a disabled person to support that cause". the problem is that bill and tiffee underestimated this group and thought we would all empty our bank accounts because tilley is a disabled ham who is burned out on contesting. this miracle new program is free for 90 days, then is costs $32 per year and if you act now, they will throw in a set of ginsu knives and an extra large bucket of oxyclean. if you sign up an additional member ron popeill will toss in a pocket fisherman and a ronco cooker..."SET IT AND FORGET IT"..... best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W5HTW on 2009-05-30 This thread is a joke, right? I had a pretty good day, but another joke is always a way to bring on another smile. I'm sure no one who has posted before me believes this internet stuff is ham radio. But as someone said, sitting home playing Flight Simulator isn't flying a Pipar Apache either. Playing some martial arts game on the computer isn't Karate competition. I think we are moving more and more into a "Pretend World." We simulate things, and pretend we are really doing them. However, the majority of us know the difference. Some do not, obviously, but the majority are able to tell "playing soemthing" from "doing something." "Pretend Ham Radio" is really another simulator. "Real Ham Radio" requires a radio. We all know that, don't we? I'm sure we do. We are just pretending. If that's what coats your doughnuts, have at it. But don't attach any words to it like "real." It's pretending. Ed Reply to a comment by : KASSY on 2009-05-28 Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art". If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones. - k | ||
| W5WAA | 2009-05-31 | |
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| I feel strongly that this is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Especially for our aging ham population, many of whom have become isolated in nursing home, condo and other places that restrict antenna and ham radio in general. This enables the handicap, sick, peoples living in very poor reception areas, people who travel a lot and can't take their gear with them, people who don't have the money for expensive "real radios" to continue to enjoy their chosen hobby, even people on vacation can still enjoy their hobby. After all, the basis for enjoyment of any hobby is what you get out of it. This is just another way of enjoying your hobby. While it is certainly not for everybody, it is nice to be able to make contacts anywhere, anytime, regardless of your situation or having to rely on the propagation. | ||
| W7ETA | 2009-05-30 | |
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| "But Trippy, people say, this isn’t real hf, you don’t have an antenna up! Oh I know that......" ANyone else wanna proclaim what the author stated at the beginning? Its not ham radio? Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-30 ed, most of us get it. this is not an issue of real or pretend ham radio. i downloaded two of these slick pretend radios. they are fun and a great way for a person to get the feel for ham radio. the real issue here is bill and tippner trying to shamelessly use a disability to lie to us and push a chatroom service, that, according to the developers, is currently making $9,000,000 per year for tippenee, bill and the boss. it is a sin to use a disability to guilt people into opening their wallets and buying something that is available for free. this is like the old "buy a light bulb scam from a disabled person to support that cause". the problem is that bill and tiffee underestimated this group and thought we would all empty our bank accounts because tilley is a disabled ham who is burned out on contesting. this miracle new program is free for 90 days, then is costs $32 per year and if you act now, they will throw in a set of ginsu knives and an extra large bucket of oxyclean. if you sign up an additional member ron popeill will toss in a pocket fisherman and a ronco cooker..."SET IT AND FORGET IT"..... best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W5HTW on 2009-05-30 This thread is a joke, right? I had a pretty good day, but another joke is always a way to bring on another smile. I'm sure no one who has posted before me believes this internet stuff is ham radio. But as someone said, sitting home playing Flight Simulator isn't flying a Pipar Apache either. Playing some martial arts game on the computer isn't Karate competition. I think we are moving more and more into a "Pretend World." We simulate things, and pretend we are really doing them. However, the majority of us know the difference. Some do not, obviously, but the majority are able to tell "playing soemthing" from "doing something." "Pretend Ham Radio" is really another simulator. "Real Ham Radio" requires a radio. We all know that, don't we? I'm sure we do. We are just pretending. If that's what coats your doughnuts, have at it. But don't attach any words to it like "real." It's pretending. Ed Reply to a comment by : KASSY on 2009-05-28 Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art". If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones. - k | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-30 | |
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| ed, most of us get it. this is not an issue of real or pretend ham radio. i downloaded two of these slick pretend radios. they are fun and a great way for a person to get the feel for ham radio. the real issue here is bill and tippner trying to shamelessly use a disability to lie to us and push a chatroom service, that, according to the developers, is currently making $9,000,000 per year for tippenee, bill and the boss. it is a sin to use a disability to guilt people into opening their wallets and buying something that is available for free. this is like the old "buy a light bulb scam from a disabled person to support that cause". the problem is that bill and tiffee underestimated this group and thought we would all empty our bank accounts because tilley is a disabled ham who is burned out on contesting. this miracle new program is free for 90 days, then is costs $32 per year and if you act now, they will throw in a set of ginsu knives and an extra large bucket of oxyclean. if you sign up an additional member ron popeill will toss in a pocket fisherman and a ronco cooker..."SET IT AND FORGET IT"..... best 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W5HTW on 2009-05-30 This thread is a joke, right? I had a pretty good day, but another joke is always a way to bring on another smile. I'm sure no one who has posted before me believes this internet stuff is ham radio. But as someone said, sitting home playing Flight Simulator isn't flying a Pipar Apache either. Playing some martial arts game on the computer isn't Karate competition. I think we are moving more and more into a "Pretend World." We simulate things, and pretend we are really doing them. However, the majority of us know the difference. Some do not, obviously, but the majority are able to tell "playing soemthing" from "doing something." "Pretend Ham Radio" is really another simulator. "Real Ham Radio" requires a radio. We all know that, don't we? I'm sure we do. We are just pretending. If that's what coats your doughnuts, have at it. But don't attach any words to it like "real." It's pretending. Ed Reply to a comment by : KASSY on 2009-05-28 Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art". If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones. - k | ||
| W5HTW | 2009-05-30 | |
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| RE: What??? | ||
| This thread is a joke, right? I had a pretty good day, but another joke is always a way to bring on another smile. I'm sure no one who has posted before me believes this internet stuff is ham radio. But as someone said, sitting home playing Flight Simulator isn't flying a Pipar Apache either. Playing some martial arts game on the computer isn't Karate competition. I think we are moving more and more into a "Pretend World." We simulate things, and pretend we are really doing them. However, the majority of us know the difference. Some do not, obviously, but the majority are able to tell "playing soemthing" from "doing something." "Pretend Ham Radio" is really another simulator. "Real Ham Radio" requires a radio. We all know that, don't we? I'm sure we do. We are just pretending. If that's what coats your doughnuts, have at it. But don't attach any words to it like "real." It's pretending. Ed Reply to a comment by : KASSY on 2009-05-28 Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art". If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones. - k | ||
| AK5B | 2009-05-30 | |
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| You said it best, Wendell---this is just another chat room gimmick! Long live real ham radio! What's hamming without QSB, QRN amd QRM anyway? I for one, like and embrace challenges. Reply to a comment by : K4MC on 2009-05-24 This is not radio, just another internet chat room. Wendell K4MC | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-30 | |
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| bill, i see you are on a first name basis with the amway salesman pushing cq100. are you getting a split also? by the way, do not mistake lots of people downloading trial versions of cq100 for "actual sales" i guess this now pushes your company over the 400,000 mark! wow... on your way to a million customers. soon icom, yaesu, tentec will go the way of the dinosaur because you and your boys have been predicting the death of ham radio for the past 30 years... i think you underestimate the ham community. eveyrone out her in reality land knows that this is a scam the magnitude of the swine flu, sars, bovine spongiform encephalopathy, west nile virus, and Chief Benjamin Yiftermon of Nigeria who wants to send you half his fortune on 187 million$ if you only send him the paltry sum of $322. best 73 paul w8jn: always looking out for my fellow hams wallet Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-30 hey bill, a crook is a crook whether it's richard nixon crook or disabled ham crook. i'll bet you give money to street people with signs that say "viet nam vet, homeless and hungry" did it get past you that the 35 year old "homeless viet nam vet" was probably 4 or 5 years old when the usa was pulling out of viet nam. i'll bet you were out there collecting money for julia butterfly and luna! a spade is a spade and a con-man is a con-man. no special treament for a disabled con-man, not even a "handicapped con-man" parking place. best 73 paul w8jn ps... a spike in cq100 use? yes... $32 per month when the 90 free trial is up??? not on your life. i even signed up for cq100. at the end of 90 days its gone forever......yer pal paul the honest straight talking ham Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-30 Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-30 . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| hey bill, a crook is a crook whether it's richard nixon crook or disabled ham crook. i'll bet you give money to street people with signs that say "viet nam vet, homeless and hungry" did it get past you that the 35 year old "homeless viet nam vet" was probably 4 or 5 years old when the usa was pulling out of viet nam. i'll bet you were out there collecting money for julia butterfly and luna! a spade is a spade and a con-man is a con-man. no special treament for a disabled con-man, not even a "handicapped con-man" parking place. best 73 paul w8jn ps... a spike in cq100 use? yes... $32 per month when the 90 free trial is up??? not on your life. i even signed up for cq100. at the end of 90 days its gone forever......yer pal paul the honest straight talking ham Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-30 Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-30 . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| Hamsphere originator is allowing non-hams to use the software. Oh boy!! Now the local wives garden club has their own VOIP !! Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-30 W8MEA Bill and others - I want to apologize because I think I have gone too far in poking fun at CQ100, but let me say that those of you who know me will recall that I have poked fun equally at other aspects of 'RF Ham Radio' - there I go again - and also at myself. My principal work has been with people with disabilities for many years in England and the USA and my main research interest is in adaptive hardware and software, which I think ARRL and RSGB should prioritize for aging radio hams like me. I was a Senior Research Fellow designing and fabricating cochlear ear implant signal processors. Anyway many apologies Bill you can clout me on the head if you like - I deserve it. I shall certainly be using Echolink and CQ100 in the future and will be proud to continue the folklore of ham radio and its history when using those media. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| I also should have pointed out that the comment on the other site had NOTHING to do with WD8OEP. Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-30 Just to show that it is not just the 'mean old ehamers' that have no taste for 'Virtual Ham Radio' being on equal footing with the real deal,I will leave this comment that was posted on another site in another discussion on cq100. "Cq100 is to ham radio what a blow-up doll is to love" I was not going to post this but I have since changed my mind. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-30 Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-30 . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| Just to show that it is not just the 'mean old ehamers' that have no taste for 'Virtual Ham Radio' being on equal footing with the real deal,I will leave this comment that was posted on another site in another discussion on cq100. "Cq100 is to ham radio what a blow-up doll is to love" I was not going to post this but I have since changed my mind. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-30 Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-30 . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-30 . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-30 | |
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| . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-05-30 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| There is a free IRC chat program for Linux called Xchat that allows you to chat for free at IRC. There is a free Xchat plugin called CWirc that allows you to use cw at the #cw chat channel at Freenode. Yes Folks,I said FREE,as in FREEDOM of SPEECH and FREE BEER! Folks,I think I will use my FREE IRC programs along with my FREE Debian Linux operating system to work the ARRL November Sweepstakes. Thats right,I am going to try to win the ARRL November Sweepstakes by making all my contacts on the IRC Freenode #cw chatchannel. Why go to those old busy noise filled cw sub-bands when I can make lots of points on those whisper quite 1000 channels CWirc has within the #cw channel! Yes folks,I am going to finally win that ol contest that has eluded so many for so long,,:) Come to think of it,I just listened to the 18wpm code bulletin on the 'Code Practice on the Web' page at the ARRL website. I better send off for my QSL card from W1AW right now,:) See you folks real soon playing cw at the IRC! | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-30 | |
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| Gil, Echolink is free.... are you going to pay for cq100, so that you can say "you are carrying on the tradition of ham radio"? Wow There really is a "fool born every minute"..... cq, cq, cq from "take my wallet and money please" Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-30 W8MEA Bill and others - I want to apologize because I think I have gone too far in poking fun at CQ100, but let me say that those of you who know me will recall that I have poked fun equally at other aspects of 'RF Ham Radio' - there I go again - and also at myself. My principal work has been with people with disabilities for many years in England and the USA and my main research interest is in adaptive hardware and software, which I think ARRL and RSGB should prioritize for aging radio hams like me. I was a Senior Research Fellow designing and fabricating cochlear ear implant signal processors. Anyway many apologies Bill you can clout me on the head if you like - I deserve it. I shall certainly be using Echolink and CQ100 in the future and will be proud to continue the folklore of ham radio and its history when using those media. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-30 | |
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| W8MEA Bill and others - I want to apologize because I think I have gone too far in poking fun at CQ100, but let me say that those of you who know me will recall that I have poked fun equally at other aspects of 'RF Ham Radio' - there I go again - and also at myself. My principal work has been with people with disabilities for many years in England and the USA and my main research interest is in adaptive hardware and software, which I think ARRL and RSGB should prioritize for aging radio hams like me. I was a Senior Research Fellow designing and fabricating cochlear ear implant signal processors. Anyway many apologies Bill you can clout me on the head if you like - I deserve it. I shall certainly be using Echolink and CQ100 in the future and will be proud to continue the folklore of ham radio and its history when using those media. Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-29 Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-29 | |
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| Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their $$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at $32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split $$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the $9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it. AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy. 73 Paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : W7ETA on 2009-05-29 "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| W7ETA | 2009-05-29 | |
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| "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..." Its not Radio. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your wrong! Its not radio. No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio. Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio. Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops. NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do. WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing. NO! Its NOT RADIO!!!! NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO!! AND, I'm gonna hold my breath until the author admits its NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! ITS NOT RADIO! I'm gonna keep posting its not radio until every current ham, every past ham, and anyone who might be interested in ham radio admits that its NOT RADIO! NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it. Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS! NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code! NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s. HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW! its not radio not radio not rad not no n Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
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| This CQ 100 things is not really ham radio much like cyber sex isnt really sex. Makes me glad I have a hot wife!!! Plus she' a HAM!!!! Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-29 | |
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| . I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped. I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-05-29 | |
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| Your anger is misplaced. -------------------------------------------------- Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year. ;-) 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| K8QV | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: It's just not ham radio. | ||
| "Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...." The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason. I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap. No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong. Your anger is misplaced. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-29 Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| WA8MEA | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: It's just not ham radio. | ||
| Is this another troll article? ---------------------------------------------- No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams?? I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man. I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now.... Bill - WA8MEA Proud Handi-Ham member Reply to a comment by : NZ4O on 2009-05-29 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| NZ4O | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: It's just not ham radio. | ||
| My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one. 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA Reply to a comment by : KB6YH on 2009-05-24 My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is. Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-24 Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink. Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"??? Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves. When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....) But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again. Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...." 73, Bill - WA8MEA http://HamRadioFun.com Reply to a comment by : KF4HR on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^)) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-24 "Remember 220?" I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much. Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about. And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated." Reply to a comment by : KI4WCA on 2009-05-24 I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220? Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat? I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-24 I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100. But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio. I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them. One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others. But it's not ham radio, because there's no radio involved. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : AI2IA on 2009-05-24 I feel very strongly about real amateur radio. Why? Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message. Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you. No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest! | ||
| NZ4O | 2009-05-29 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Is this another troll article? How about calling it amateur computering?! 73 & GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Hello OM you are 59 again you don't change much. For the contest I have fitted a pink faceplate to my virtual transceiver hope you like it. The XYL has left me now but I have a virtual elmer now it is an attractive avatar. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "As a contester, I can contest all I want" You really need a reality check. You're not really in the contest at all, you're just pretending to be. You can't be in a bicycle race if you're flying a plane. It's a frigging BICYCLE RACE. Get on a bicycle, it's the ONLY way you can participate. Of course radio contests and awards will never recognize the Internet as just another ham band, but it's disheartening to see so many people who can't see the distinction. | ||
| K8QV | 2009-05-29 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "As a contester, I can contest all I want" You really need a reality check. You're not really in the contest at all, you're just pretending to be. You can't be in a bicycle race if you're flying a plane. It's a frigging BICYCLE RACE. Get on a bicycle, it's the ONLY way you can participate. Of course radio contests and awards will never recognize the Internet as just another ham band, but it's disheartening to see so many people who can't see the distinction. | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-05-29 | |
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| K5END- Now cut that out! :>)))))))))))) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . I worked a station on the planet Xantar today, and, NO, I did not CQ000. Nope. I used transcendental meditation (and the help of some mushroom tea.) It counts as a real QSO in Amateur radio because I used both my call sign and whatever brain waves were still working after drinking the tea...or was it electric Kool-Aid? <having trouble remembering> Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio. Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd! Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-29 K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-29 | |
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| and the XYL leaving Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-29 If you use remote viewing on CQ100 you can see the operator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . I worked a station on the planet Xantar today, and, NO, I did not CQ000. Nope. I used transcendental meditation (and the help of some mushroom tea.) It counts as a real QSO in Amateur radio because I used both my call sign and whatever brain waves were still working after drinking the tea...or was it electric Kool-Aid? <having trouble remembering> Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio. Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd! Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-29 K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-29 | |
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| If you use remote viewing on CQ100 you can see the operator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . I worked a station on the planet Xantar today, and, NO, I did not CQ000. Nope. I used transcendental meditation (and the help of some mushroom tea.) It counts as a real QSO in Amateur radio because I used both my call sign and whatever brain waves were still working after drinking the tea...or was it electric Kool-Aid? <having trouble remembering> Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio. Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd! Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-29 K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-29 | |
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| . . I worked a station on the planet Xantar today, and, NO, I did not CQ000. Nope. I used transcendental meditation (and the help of some mushroom tea.) It counts as a real QSO in Amateur radio because I used both my call sign and whatever brain waves were still working after drinking the tea...or was it electric Kool-Aid? <having trouble remembering> Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 . . yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio. Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd! Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-29 K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
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| . . yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio. Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd! Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-29 K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KG4TKC | 2009-05-29 | |
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| K8QV- BINGO!!!! I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters. Reply to a comment by : K8QV on 2009-05-29 "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| K8QV | 2009-05-29 | |
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| "There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer." Still missing the point. There is a huge difference. The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves? Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-29 Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-29 | |
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| Hello old man you are 5 and 9 today as usual like everybody else. The bands are the same as usual. My signal is better than yours because if you look on eHam Spotlight on the eHam homepage today you will see my station is completely dominated by a 64 inch monitor and to my credit there is not a single piece of that old RF junk in sight. You remember that I used to have a 60 foot tower which the neighbors didn't like? Well now to protect myself from elecromagnetic pulses I now have a 60 foot hole. I did feel a tremor from a North Korean station but no matter I ignored it like the government. I am now an Extra Extra class licensee on CR100 so again I am better than you. All hams are not equal. I must close now because I can feel another attack of xenophobia coming on old boy. If you like I could text or sext you and as I see we are the same gender perhaps you would like to marry me and share our resources we could go for a bigger monitor. 88. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-29 "This article has gone from absurd to the absurd!" Yeah, from trippy to psychedelic. Reply to a comment by : W0CBF on 2009-05-29 This article has gone from absurd to the absurd! Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . cool, thanks. I've been reading this topic in as much detail as I can find...I dug out the old textbooks a couple of months ago...This topic would make a good article, especially with the Solar activity on the increase. It can be written qualitatively. It's pretty fascinating stuff, really. I came across a term I'd missed along the way: Snell's window--known well by all trout, bass and SCUBA divers. Would make a good conceptual example of refraction coolness. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."" You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas and maybe this: http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html and this this: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse: "the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. " The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode. So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency. Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "This article has gone from absurd to the absurd!" Yeah, from trippy to psychedelic. Reply to a comment by : W0CBF on 2009-05-29 This article has gone from absurd to the absurd! Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . cool, thanks. I've been reading this topic in as much detail as I can find...I dug out the old textbooks a couple of months ago...This topic would make a good article, especially with the Solar activity on the increase. It can be written qualitatively. It's pretty fascinating stuff, really. I came across a term I'd missed along the way: Snell's window--known well by all trout, bass and SCUBA divers. Would make a good conceptual example of refraction coolness. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."" You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas and maybe this: http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html and this this: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse: "the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. " The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode. So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency. Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K1CJS | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer. If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| W0CBF | 2009-05-29 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| This article has gone from absurd to the absurd! Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . cool, thanks. I've been reading this topic in as much detail as I can find...I dug out the old textbooks a couple of months ago...This topic would make a good article, especially with the Solar activity on the increase. It can be written qualitatively. It's pretty fascinating stuff, really. I came across a term I'd missed along the way: Snell's window--known well by all trout, bass and SCUBA divers. Would make a good conceptual example of refraction coolness. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."" You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas and maybe this: http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html and this this: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse: "the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. " The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode. So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency. Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| . cool, thanks. I've been reading this topic in as much detail as I can find...I dug out the old textbooks a couple of months ago...This topic would make a good article, especially with the Solar activity on the increase. It can be written qualitatively. It's pretty fascinating stuff, really. I came across a term I'd missed along the way: Snell's window--known well by all trout, bass and SCUBA divers. Would make a good conceptual example of refraction coolness. Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."" You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas and maybe this: http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html and this this: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse: "the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. " The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode. So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency. Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."" You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas and maybe this: http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html and this this: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse: "the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. " The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode. So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency. Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| . "have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion." Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio. Reply to a comment by : KC8VWM on 2009-05-28 Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| N2EY | 2009-05-28 | |
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| "for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" 1) The ITU-R treaty required it. At first it was required for all hams, then only for amateurs whose operating privileges were below a certain frequency. That frequency went from 1000 MHz to 146 MHz to 30 MHz over time. Now it's 0 MHz 2) The purpose of license testing for any license is to insure that the licensee has the basic knowledge and skills to do what that license allows - even if the licensee never intends to do certain things. Since radio amateurs have always used Morse Code extensively, and still do, for a long time it was considered to be an important part of the basic knowledge required for a license. 3) There was never a concerted effort to remove the requirement. Look at the comments to the various RMs and NPRMs, and you'll see that the majority of those who bothered to submit an opinion supported the requirement. But the FCC finally overruled them and went with the minority opinion. All ancient history now, at least in the USA. --- By definition, a "hazing ritual" is something required for entry into a group which has nothing to do with the activities of the group. Since Morse Code has always been a big part of Amateur Radio, a test for it cannot reasonably be considered a "hazing ritual". 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| W3TTT | 2009-05-28 | |
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| How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "...victor united 3 victor quebec united..." You probably heard: "Wicktor oonited tree wictor kipec oonited" India is where developers are "devil-opers" and a query is a "curry". | ||
| KASSY | 2009-05-28 | |
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| Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art". If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones. - k | ||
| KC8VWM | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't. ...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I? I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby. Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators. ..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter... Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Oh, c'mon Dan. Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency. True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding. By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed. What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency." Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason. I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped. Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications. I don't think that's the same thing. If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle. 73 Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP* *Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| ..to clarify, I cannot know whether someone is discontent or how they view things. I should emphasize it "seems" that way to me, based on observable behavior. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?" I did not say it was a hazing ritual. I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual. The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation. To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| W8JN, I loved that post! I can see the chatroom members joining virtual hands in a circle and saying the "Ham-enity prayer:" "grant me the serenity to realized the internet is not Amateur radio, radio waves are a rush, and the wisdom to know the difference." Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-28 since the original post from trippeley is nothing more than an infomercial, i ventured over to hamsphere. it duplicated just about all of the conditions you will experience on the bands, as a matter of fact, if the disclaimer didnt clearly state that the entire experience is computer generated you would think you were on the air. now here is the BEST part of hamsphere as compared to tipplers blatent plug for his "$32 per year product" is that hamsphere is free. unlike the chatroom atmosphere of tippies product, hamsphere sounds real! neither one is ham radio, however hamsphere is fun, free and entertaining. give it a try. no harm, no foul... is tippie burned out on contesting? i recommend he call 1 800 contest. they have a big support group for recovering addicts. their 12 step program is outstanding. they put you right back in the saddle (in a chatroom) and let you practice until you get your nerve back and get it back in your blood. pray for tippie! maybe he will get a shot on the Oprah show to prove that we can all recover and get back to that nasty contesting... always looking out for your wallet! 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "…and I rest my case. " Good. Let it rest in peace. 73 Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-28 | |
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| since the original post from trippeley is nothing more than an infomercial, i ventured over to hamsphere. it duplicated just about all of the conditions you will experience on the bands, as a matter of fact, if the disclaimer didnt clearly state that the entire experience is computer generated you would think you were on the air. now here is the BEST part of hamsphere as compared to tipplers blatent plug for his "$32 per year product" is that hamsphere is free. unlike the chatroom atmosphere of tippies product, hamsphere sounds real! neither one is ham radio, however hamsphere is fun, free and entertaining. give it a try. no harm, no foul... is tippie burned out on contesting? i recommend he call 1 800 contest. they have a big support group for recovering addicts. their 12 step program is outstanding. they put you right back in the saddle (in a chatroom) and let you practice until you get your nerve back and get it back in your blood. pray for tippie! maybe he will get a shot on the Oprah show to prove that we can all recover and get back to that nasty contesting... always looking out for your wallet! 73 paul w8jn Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 "…and I rest my case. " Good. Let it rest in peace. 73 Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| KB1SF | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| "…and I rest my case. " Good. Let it rest in peace. 73 Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-28 Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| KB1SF | 2009-05-28 | |
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| Dan (N3OX) wrote: "CQ100 is not a digital mode. It's an internet communications link with an interface that works like tuning around the ham bands. 73 Dan ---------------------------- All true. But, SO WHAT? Your response begs the obvious question as to why you and many others posting here are seemingly STILL so hard over on CQ100's tie-in with Amateur Radio and that some people are now choosing to (gasp!) label it as a part of the hobby. And why are so many folks STILL in such a tizzy that someone happens to get pleasure out of using it? Obviously, to you and others, such talk IS blasphemous. …and I rest my case. Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. " KB1SF, CQ100 is not a digital mode. It's an internet communications link with an interface that works like tuning around the ham bands. 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Unfortunately, for many people, Ham Radio has now become their "religion". And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. For, very much like their fundamentalist brethren in a religious context, such persons passionately believe that the only way to be "saved" as a Ham Operator is to go "back to the Bible" and become operationally proficient (a.k.a. "come forward") and fully embrace those ancient communications modes (AM, SSB and Morse) that formed the "old time religion" of Ham Radio. According to such folk, unless and until you do, you can NEVER enter into the "kingdom" and become a "real Ham". For, in their narrow world, ALL of those other, more modern modes that people might want to use are simply perversions (some would say "sins") that have since crept into the hobby and "polluted" it. What’s more, according to the fundamentalists, the people who promulgate these new ways of communicating need to now be either "converted" back to a fundamentalist way of thinking or else be shunned (or even "excommunicated"!) from our ranks so as to insure that the "liturgy" of Ham Radio (and the congregations who assemble within it) will remain absolutely and forever "pure". Clearly, the FCC's decision to drop all forms of Morse testing a few years back was absolute blasphemy to the fundamentalists among us. Maybe this is why so many in our ranks who STILL haven't accepted the fact that Morse testing is history firmly believe that it is their bounden duty to "go into all the world" to "save" others from the temptations (the "sins" if you will) of enjoying other, MORE modern modes of communication that are now associated with our hobby. This may also be why such persons now passionately persist in trying to "resurrect" the Morse exams in forums like these and then display nothing but contempt for the newer digital modes (not to mention the people who might want to use and enjoy them). Unfortunately, hobbies, like religion, tend to be singularly, passionate affairs. All too often, BOTH of these activities attract horrifically narrow thinking zealots who view their own particular religious denomination (or their own particular interests or beliefs in the hobby) as the ONLY way to do things. The sad result is often a demonstrated intolerance towards others who may not hold the EXACT same, often horrifically narrow, "right/wrong - good/bad" fundamentalist viewpoints and interests as they do. All of which makes such dogmatists about as popular as ants at a picnic. They are the so-called ""witnesses" and "evangelists" who all too frequently show up on your doorstep (or in forums like these) trying to "convert" you (and the rest of the world) to their particularly intolerant and narrow beliefs. Unfortunately, just like the "Morse-testing-forever" crowd, even after you slam the door in their faces they KEEP showing up in ever more frantic attempts to prothelasize to you about the glories of "real radio" and to shame you into "coming forward" to think about things in their own, horrifically narrow way. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| "And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. " KB1SF, CQ100 is not a digital mode. It's an internet communications link with an interface that works like tuning around the ham bands. 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Unfortunately, for many people, Ham Radio has now become their "religion". And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. For, very much like their fundamentalist brethren in a religious context, such persons passionately believe that the only way to be "saved" as a Ham Operator is to go "back to the Bible" and become operationally proficient (a.k.a. "come forward") and fully embrace those ancient communications modes (AM, SSB and Morse) that formed the "old time religion" of Ham Radio. According to such folk, unless and until you do, you can NEVER enter into the "kingdom" and become a "real Ham". For, in their narrow world, ALL of those other, more modern modes that people might want to use are simply perversions (some would say "sins") that have since crept into the hobby and "polluted" it. What’s more, according to the fundamentalists, the people who promulgate these new ways of communicating need to now be either "converted" back to a fundamentalist way of thinking or else be shunned (or even "excommunicated"!) from our ranks so as to insure that the "liturgy" of Ham Radio (and the congregations who assemble within it) will remain absolutely and forever "pure". Clearly, the FCC's decision to drop all forms of Morse testing a few years back was absolute blasphemy to the fundamentalists among us. Maybe this is why so many in our ranks who STILL haven't accepted the fact that Morse testing is history firmly believe that it is their bounden duty to "go into all the world" to "save" others from the temptations (the "sins" if you will) of enjoying other, MORE modern modes of communication that are now associated with our hobby. This may also be why such persons now passionately persist in trying to "resurrect" the Morse exams in forums like these and then display nothing but contempt for the newer digital modes (not to mention the people who might want to use and enjoy them). Unfortunately, hobbies, like religion, tend to be singularly, passionate affairs. All too often, BOTH of these activities attract horrifically narrow thinking zealots who view their own particular religious denomination (or their own particular interests or beliefs in the hobby) as the ONLY way to do things. The sad result is often a demonstrated intolerance towards others who may not hold the EXACT same, often horrifically narrow, "right/wrong - good/bad" fundamentalist viewpoints and interests as they do. All of which makes such dogmatists about as popular as ants at a picnic. They are the so-called ""witnesses" and "evangelists" who all too frequently show up on your doorstep (or in forums like these) trying to "convert" you (and the rest of the world) to their particularly intolerant and narrow beliefs. Unfortunately, just like the "Morse-testing-forever" crowd, even after you slam the door in their faces they KEEP showing up in ever more frantic attempts to prothelasize to you about the glories of "real radio" and to shame you into "coming forward" to think about things in their own, horrifically narrow way. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-28 | |
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| Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K8QV | 2009-05-28 | |
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| So many are missing the point. The author is seriously trying to persuade contest organizers to accept CQ100 as another ham band. He thinks it IS just another ham band. Is it a cool technology that can be fun to use? Can you talk to other hams with it? Sure, but do you want all the awards and contests to go to people using Internet rather than radio? Would it be fair for people using the skills of radio communication and vagaries of the ionosphere to compete on even footing with an Internet chat room? That is the agenda. See the propaganda at qsl.net. It's like having a fishing contest where some people use rods and reels and others just buy some fish at the market and have it weighed in. "Real" fishing involves catching fish, not buying the ones already caught - or should the first guy to the fish market win the trophy? Hams - We Don't Need No Stinkin' Radios! How anyone can support the idiocy is beyond me. Reply to a comment by : KB1SF on 2009-05-28 Unfortunately, for many people, Ham Radio has now become their "religion". And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. For, very much like their fundamentalist brethren in a religious context, such persons passionately believe that the only way to be "saved" as a Ham Operator is to go "back to the Bible" and become operationally proficient (a.k.a. "come forward") and fully embrace those ancient communications modes (AM, SSB and Morse) that formed the "old time religion" of Ham Radio. According to such folk, unless and until you do, you can NEVER enter into the "kingdom" and become a "real Ham". For, in their narrow world, ALL of those other, more modern modes that people might want to use are simply perversions (some would say "sins") that have since crept into the hobby and "polluted" it. What’s more, according to the fundamentalists, the people who promulgate these new ways of communicating need to now be either "converted" back to a fundamentalist way of thinking or else be shunned (or even "excommunicated"!) from our ranks so as to insure that the "liturgy" of Ham Radio (and the congregations who assemble within it) will remain absolutely and forever "pure". Clearly, the FCC's decision to drop all forms of Morse testing a few years back was absolute blasphemy to the fundamentalists among us. Maybe this is why so many in our ranks who STILL haven't accepted the fact that Morse testing is history firmly believe that it is their bounden duty to "go into all the world" to "save" others from the temptations (the "sins" if you will) of enjoying other, MORE modern modes of communication that are now associated with our hobby. This may also be why such persons now passionately persist in trying to "resurrect" the Morse exams in forums like these and then display nothing but contempt for the newer digital modes (not to mention the people who might want to use and enjoy them). Unfortunately, hobbies, like religion, tend to be singularly, passionate affairs. All too often, BOTH of these activities attract horrifically narrow thinking zealots who view their own particular religious denomination (or their own particular interests or beliefs in the hobby) as the ONLY way to do things. The sad result is often a demonstrated intolerance towards others who may not hold the EXACT same, often horrifically narrow, "right/wrong - good/bad" fundamentalist viewpoints and interests as they do. All of which makes such dogmatists about as popular as ants at a picnic. They are the so-called ""witnesses" and "evangelists" who all too frequently show up on your doorstep (or in forums like these) trying to "convert" you (and the rest of the world) to their particularly intolerant and narrow beliefs. Unfortunately, just like the "Morse-testing-forever" crowd, even after you slam the door in their faces they KEEP showing up in ever more frantic attempts to prothelasize to you about the glories of "real radio" and to shame you into "coming forward" to think about things in their own, horrifically narrow way. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KB1SF | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| Unfortunately, for many people, Ham Radio has now become their "religion". And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. For, very much like their fundamentalist brethren in a religious context, such persons passionately believe that the only way to be "saved" as a Ham Operator is to go "back to the Bible" and become operationally proficient (a.k.a. "come forward") and fully embrace those ancient communications modes (AM, SSB and Morse) that formed the "old time religion" of Ham Radio. According to such folk, unless and until you do, you can NEVER enter into the "kingdom" and become a "real Ham". For, in their narrow world, ALL of those other, more modern modes that people might want to use are simply perversions (some would say "sins") that have since crept into the hobby and "polluted" it. What’s more, according to the fundamentalists, the people who promulgate these new ways of communicating need to now be either "converted" back to a fundamentalist way of thinking or else be shunned (or even "excommunicated"!) from our ranks so as to insure that the "liturgy" of Ham Radio (and the congregations who assemble within it) will remain absolutely and forever "pure". Clearly, the FCC's decision to drop all forms of Morse testing a few years back was absolute blasphemy to the fundamentalists among us. Maybe this is why so many in our ranks who STILL haven't accepted the fact that Morse testing is history firmly believe that it is their bounden duty to "go into all the world" to "save" others from the temptations (the "sins" if you will) of enjoying other, MORE modern modes of communication that are now associated with our hobby. This may also be why such persons now passionately persist in trying to "resurrect" the Morse exams in forums like these and then display nothing but contempt for the newer digital modes (not to mention the people who might want to use and enjoy them). Unfortunately, hobbies, like religion, tend to be singularly, passionate affairs. All too often, BOTH of these activities attract horrifically narrow thinking zealots who view their own particular religious denomination (or their own particular interests or beliefs in the hobby) as the ONLY way to do things. The sad result is often a demonstrated intolerance towards others who may not hold the EXACT same, often horrifically narrow, "right/wrong - good/bad" fundamentalist viewpoints and interests as they do. All of which makes such dogmatists about as popular as ants at a picnic. They are the so-called ""witnesses" and "evangelists" who all too frequently show up on your doorstep (or in forums like these) trying to "convert" you (and the rest of the world) to their particularly intolerant and narrow beliefs. Unfortunately, just like the "Morse-testing-forever" crowd, even after you slam the door in their faces they KEEP showing up in ever more frantic attempts to prothelasize to you about the glories of "real radio" and to shame you into "coming forward" to think about things in their own, horrifically narrow way. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF Reply to a comment by : N3OX on 2009-05-28 "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. Reply to a comment by : G0RIF on 2009-05-28 I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| "I am not buying the idea it's intended for people who claim they can't have antennas at their QTH etc. Basically, if you can own something as simple as a fishing rod, then you can certainly have an antenna as far as I am concerned. There's always one way or another to put up an antenna in any situation. " It's for people who like *talking to other hams* more than they like using the HF radio waves to communicate. And that's OK for some people, and apparently quite popular. There are some people who are only very peripherally interested in the radio part of the radio hobby. I heard VK4FEDS on 40m SSB last night running a pileup of NA and EU stations using N8AD's remote base in Pennsylvania. Sometimes he would say "using a remote base in PA" and less frequently he would ID that it was N8AD's remote base, but sometimes he'd just say his callsign. So there he was, a 59+10dB "VK4" station on a 40m band (that was probably actually open to Australia) using the internet to make most of the miles. Honestly, I'd much prefer that people who like that sort of "DXing" move to CQ100 and free up the 40m spectrum for actual DX stations. I suspect the sunspots are going to take the shine off of internet DXing though. 10m and 15m at the peak is almost as easy as using the internet. You don't have to build much of a station. A low dipole with low power gets you all the way around the world. Noise is low, signals are high. Skip tends to be long, so local QRM is nil. To be honest, throwing a random wire out a low window and using 5 watts at the sunspot minimum is NOT likely to result in high signal-to-noise ragchew QSO's, so people despair. And people make the mistake that commercial apartment antenna and restricted antenna manufacturers actually are, on average in the business of supplying you with an effective antenna. You can try all the cheaper tier of "apartment antennas" in the world and still have never installed a really good antenna, especially if you are talking about 40m and down. Those problems dissolve when 10m and 15m are rolling in. Really small antennas are so much more effective, because they're actually a reasonable length and height when measured in wavelengths. We'll see how many people are taking the time to write eHam articles about "QRM-free internet ham bands" open "worldwide" when 10m and 15m come back. It's a lot of work to install an effective station to provide good signal-to-noise SSB DX ragchews right now. When it's almost no work at all, I wonder if there will be less appeal :-) 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| G0RIF | 2009-05-28 | |
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| RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: | ||
| I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-28 If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| K1CJS | 2009-05-28 | |
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| NI0C replied to my post: You're being illogical here. Nobody said that CQ100 (or reading QST or yapping on eHam) doesn't have anything to do with ham radio. It ought to be obvious to anyone who passed a ham license exam that internet simulations of ham radio are not ham radio, period. I don't think it's illogical. With the restrictions and regulations in place these days, some hams just can't put up the antennas needed for some communications. Why not take advantage of the internet to do it. After all, some hams are running thier stations remotely through the internet. Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? Reply to a comment by : NI0C on 2009-05-27 K1CJS wrote: "so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't." You're being illogical here. Nobody said that CQ100 (or reading QST or yapping on eHam) doesn't have anything to do with ham radio. It ought to be obvious to anyone who passed a ham license exam that internet simulations of ham radio are not ham radio, period. Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-27 I've been away from here for a while, hoping things would change, and now that I came back I find things are NOT the same--they're worse! Trippy--you need a ham license to participate on the 'ham radio' internet site, so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't. If you enjoy it and the fellow on the other end enjoys it, the heck with naysayers here. Enjoy yourself and stay away from e-ham until they clean up this site--that is the only way to really enjoy ham radio. | ||
| KW4JX | 2009-05-28 | |
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| If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil Reply to a comment by : W6IP on 2009-05-27 Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| W6IP | 2009-05-27 | |
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| Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... | ||
| KC8VWM | 2009-05-27 | |
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| I suppose I could understand using this alternative "chat service" if it were 1972 and you were bedridden in a nursing home and you couldn't setup 300 lbs of boatachor radio equipment there. However, in 2009 there's absolutely no reason "any person" - "anywhere" can't buy an FT817 and throw a wire outside the window. Heck, an FT 817 is smaller to setup and far less complicated to drag around and setup than most laptop computers. A person can take a portable station outside on a picnic table and be setup in under a minute. I have a laptop computer that takes at least 2 minutes before it boots up in comparison. :) I guess I am somehow not grasping or understanding this virtual QSO stuff. I am not buying the idea it's intended for people who claim they can't have antennas at their QTH etc. Basically, if you can own something as simple as a fishing rod, then you can certainly have an antenna as far as I am concerned. There's always one way or another to put up an antenna in any situation. If you are limited to communicating inside some virtual QSO internet network, then I suppose you are going to have a real tough time reaching the rest of us who are living out here in the real world who are operating on the real amateur radio bands. I mean, do whatever floats your boat but don't start calling whatever it is your doing with a LAN connected to a computer "amateur radio." Clearly it isn't amateur radio any differently than the notion of using a flight simulator on a computer and somehow suggesting this is "flying." My Best. 73 de Charles - KC8VWM Reply to a comment by : W0LTL on 2009-05-27 This is not radio, it is yet another version of internet. W0LTL | ||
| W0LTL | 2009-05-27 | |
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| This is not radio, it is yet another version of internet. W0LTL | ||
| N3OX | 2009-05-27 | |
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| The day I can't use actual radio waves and equipment and antennas I've installed to make my DX contacts is the day I decide to walk away. When I lived in an apartment, I strung up some magnet wire and could work all kinds of DX with 20 to 100W output, even on the downslope of the cycle. Usually it was Europe or South America or Africa from my W3 QTH, but sometimes I'd pick up something like Malaysia on 17m. I've had better antennas in the really low-spots years, and focused on 160m, but still made quite a few contacts on 30m and 20m CW, even with low power, and tonight I'm hearing dozens of UA9 stations on 20m, and yes, even a VU2. To each his own, of course, but ham radio without the radio? Not for me. I'd rather listen to an absolutely empty 40m CW subband in the dead of winter when it's got that "far off" sound of Pacific thunderstorms; yeah, it's just plain static smacking of the hope of some DX, but that's why I'm here. The CQ100 system is clever, and as ham chatrooms go, it's a cool idea. But you'll never find me there... I've got other pastimes to retreat to if wiggling electrons in distant antennas with RF winging more or less directly out from my station location ever becomes impossible (I will, of course, go for the internet remote base that I build myself before I quit if I find myself stuck in a hopeless apartment). 73 Dan Reply to a comment by : N7BUI on 2009-05-24 Trippy, you've opened a can of worms. This outta be good. While CQ100 is certainly an entertaining VOIP concept, many hate it due there being no RF transmitted. Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| W7ETA | 2009-05-27 | |
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| "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio......" SO far, he was right--many hams say it ain't radio. BUT, So what? If you don't like what he did, or does, donna do it. I didn't see anything in his article asking for anyone's approval for how he is having FUN. I didn't see anything in his article preaching that anyone should turn their rigs OFF and go on the internet. Come to think of it, don't remember him asking if anyone approved of the software either. But take heart "Oughta Boys". I heard a rumor that he uses proper phonetics! AND, he doesn't DX using nets! AND, just think of it. If you turn your rig on, and hear CQ contest, and you are too dumb, or too stubborn to got to a new band, you can always turn your computer on to get away from the evil hams that take over your rag-chew bands. Best from hot Tucson Bob Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-27 The point that is getting lost in all of the above posts is the $$$$$ scam put together by the author and his pal who designed the software. Who cares if it's real ham radio or not. If people enjoy it, it's not my business. What is my business is the attempt in this article to "shave the little girls head, present her as a chemo patient" and then stick a hand in my pocket and take my money. These two guys have to be dumb as a box of rocks to fool this ham community.... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= WHAT THE HELL??? $2.67 a month is a friggin' scam? Paul, I bet there are several thousand hams out here that spend fifty to one hundred times this amount on cigarettes, lottery tickets and booze per month! There are FAR too many of these anti-business types (like Paul) in our country today. This scares the living hell out of me because I firmly believe they will be our nation's downfall.... Oh...and no more "convenience" stores for you, Paul! Those are also a scam! They charge you HIGHER PRICES than a grocery store and just for "convenience" sake. How TERRIBLE!!!! So I'd better not catch you getting a Big Gulp or coffee in any Seven-Eleven!!!! Bill Reply to a comment by : W8JN on 2009-05-27 The point that is getting lost in all of the above posts is the $$$$$ scam put together by the author and his pal who designed the software. Who cares if it's real ham radio or not. If people enjoy it, it's not my business. What is my business is the attempt in this article to "shave the little girls head, present her as a chemo patient" and then stick a hand in my pocket and take my money. These two guys have to be dumb as a box of rocks to fool this ham community. Partially blind???? the computer program I saw was smaller than the display on a 775dsp. antenna restrictions? lots and lots of fantastic reports of attic wires working like a champ. Ham radio dying? I have been hearing that same bogus story for the past 40 years..... do I feel sorry for the author? This is the sorriest excuse for a human interest story I have ever read in all my years of ham radio. We should all be offended when Cheech and Chnog try to pull a fast one on us. 73 Paul w8jn ps... please pass a tissue... i feel a tear coming on. Bernie Madoff would be proud of this scam..... Reply to a comment by : KW4JX on 2009-05-27 Oh dear I've just read QST - I am so sorry that was not ham radio. Then you have educated me that I should cancel my intention to go to the Rochester hamfest next Sunday because that is not ham radio. I must find some RF so I can do ham radio. W2/G3LBS Reply to a comment by : N2EY on 2009-05-26 "The people in gardening forums are calling the gardeners who use rototillers instead of spades....NON-gardeners...." Nope. But they're putting real plants in real soil, and growing real vegetables, right? But a person who buys vegetables at a store already grown isn't a gardener. "Are people in the sewing-as-a-hobby discussion groups defining those who are using computer aided Singers as "not real sewers" since they're not using an old fashion foot peddle???" Nope. But they're sewing real fabrics together with real thread, right? A person who buys clothes already made isn't a tailor. "Are the woodcrafters calling other woodcrafters names if they are using power tools instead of hand saws and tools???" Not if they're actually making things from real wood. But a person who buys a kit from Ikea and puts it together isn't a woodworker. "Are you really a "back yard mechanic" because you can diagnose your car's problems with one of those new portable computer diagnostic plug-in devices, but are not familiar with a dwell/tach???" Diagnosis is one thing, fixing quite another. A person who figures out that the car needs work because the check engine light went on isn't a mechanic. "Are you really a fisherman if you are using sonar and "smelly" artificial baits???" Not if you go after real fish in real water. But the person who shoots fish in a barrel isn't a fisherman. "Are you an amateur meteorologist if you are using these new-fangled computerized weather instruments instead of putting a wet finger in the air and using a cloud chart???" Of course you are. But not if you go to weather.com to get the forecast. "And are you a a real amateur astronomer if you're using a Celestron CPC 1100 XLT GoTo Schmidt Cass Telescope....a futuristic new 11" Schmidt-Cassegrain catadioptric telescope with computerized GoTo pointing technology?????????????" If you point it at the sky and look at the stars, moon and planets, why not? But going to a planetarium doesn't make someone an astronomer. In all of the above activities, there's are fundamental/essential components that makes someone a gardener, tailor, woodworker, mechanic, fisherman, meteorologist or astronomer. Those components vary with the activity, but it's obvious what they are. In Amateur Radio, the fundamental/essential component is radio communication between licensed amateurs using the amateur radio bands. The technology of the transmitter, receiver, antenna and control system are secondary issues; you could have a ham with a remote-controlled SDR working a ham with a 1929 regenerative receiver and TNT transmitter, and it's real ham radio all the way. But CQ100 isn't ham radio. Those using it are not participating in amateur radio communication. That's the whole point of contention. 73 de Jim, N2EY Reply to a comment by : WA8MEA on 2009-05-26 Think of it this way: Four decades ago, everyone laughed at the prospect of buying bottled water. Two decades ago, everyone frowned at the internet. Now we have "Internet Ham Radio!" ------------------------------------------------- You forgot to add that we also have.... Software Defined Radios for Amateur Radio Use. (Better known as "FlexRadios") You also have an entire forum system dedicated to this "rig".... http://forums.flex-radio.com/ I was also wondering if.... The people in gardening forums are calling the gardeners who use rototillers instead of spades....NON-gardeners.... Are people in the sewing-as-a-hobby discussion groups defining those who are using computer aided Singers as "not real sewers" since they're not using an old fashion foot peddle??? Are the woodcrafters calling other woodcrafters names if they are using power tools instead of hand saws and tools??? Are you really a "back yard mechanic" because you can diagnose your car's problems with one of those new portable computer diagnostic plug-in devices, but are not familiar with a dwell/tach??? Are you really a fisherman if you are using sonar and "smelly" artificial baits??? Are you an amateur meteorologist if you are using these new-fangled computerized weather instruments instead of putting a wet finger in the air and using a cloud chart??? And are you a a real amateur astronomer if you're using a Celestron CPC 1100 XLT GoTo Schmidt Cass Telescope....a futuristic new 11" Schmidt-Cassegrain catadioptric telescope with computerized GoTo pointing technology????????????? 73, Bill Reply to a comment by : KG4CLD on 2009-05-26 Looking back over my previous comment and the comments of others. I think some of us are being a little one-sided. Think of it this way: Four decades ago, everyone laughed at the prospect of buying bottled water. Two decades ago, everyone frowned at the internet. Now we have "Internet Ham Radio!" Just think of what's to come in 10 more years. For some, its a permanent residency at their local cemetery, but for others, it could be the advent of "Trunking Amateur HT's!" OR "Scratch-N-Sniff" microphones. All in all, its going to be interesting, so don't complain... | ||
| AB0WR | 2009-05-27 | |
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| Now I've heard it all. Internet messaging being called ham radio because amateur callsigns are used as the identifying "handle". Will wonders never cease? If those "handles" were Fist numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If those "handles" were social security numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If those "handles" were drivers license numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If the answer to any of these questions is *NO, it wouldn't be ham radio* then why is it ham radio when callsigns are used for the handle? If the answer to all of the questions is *YES* then is *all* IM on the internet ham radio? tim ab0wr Reply to a comment by : K3LUE on 2009-05-27 Just received this in the contesting bulletin board email: In the ARRL Contest Update for May 27, N0AX ends his "Pushing the Envelope" section with the words "Welcome to the second century of radio!" where, presumably, it will be the norm for us to be actively using the internet while contesting. He says, "I don't think we're at the threshold of radio-less radiosport by any means, but we do have to keep the deeper principles of radio contesting firmly in our sights." We have already passed the threshold of radio-less radiosport. There are plans for a CQ100 contest in January 2010, which will be 100% internet-based. Now that will level the playing field - no antennas, no QSB, reliable propagation independent of distance, everyone running the same power. It will be what we all want, a test of operating ability - pure and simple. www.qsonet.com/programs.html. There will be another contest that will combine amateur band RF and CQ100. If you can't get that mult on 20m, no problem - get it on CQ100 20m. Regarding the deeper principles of radio contesting, I am of the view that there are but two of them - use amateur-band RF throughout the signal path between the operators concerned, and don't use other communications systems to arrange, facilitate or complete contest QSOs. If our shared interest, amateur radio contesting, becomes (or already is) something else, then I suggest it needs a new name to reflect the changes. 73, Paul EI5DI Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K3LUE | 2009-05-27 | |
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| Just received this in the contesting bulletin board email: In the ARRL Contest Update for May 27, N0AX ends his "Pushing the Envelope" section with the words "Welcome to the second century of radio!" where, presumably, it will be the norm for us to be actively using the internet while contesting. He says, "I don't think we're at the threshold of radio-less radiosport by any means, but we do have to keep the deeper principles of radio contesting firmly in our sights." We have already passed the threshold of radio-less radiosport. There are plans for a CQ100 contest in January 2010, which will be 100% internet-based. Now that will level the playing field - no antennas, no QSB, reliable propagation independent of distance, everyone running the same power. It will be what we all want, a test of operating ability - pure and simple. www.qsonet.com/programs.html. There will be another contest that will combine amateur band RF and CQ100. If you can't get that mult on 20m, no problem - get it on CQ100 20m. Regarding the deeper principles of radio contesting, I am of the view that there are but two of them - use amateur-band RF throughout the signal path between the operators concerned, and don't use other communications systems to arrange, facilitate or complete contest QSOs. If our shared interest, amateur radio contesting, becomes (or already is) something else, then I suggest it needs a new name to reflect the changes. 73, Paul EI5DI Reply to a comment by : VK4TJF on 2009-05-24 this is just glorifies internet you didn't get back into ham radio go sell your internet elsewhere this is not ham radio as there is no radio! get a life | ||
| K5END | 2009-05-27 | |
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| Hey, I don't know about you guys, but I'm home now from work at QTH and I've got a brand new Begali that's about to hit 80* meters ...after supper. First things first! I think there is a TSN in an hour or so that is slow enough for Lids like me still around 15 wpm on code. Heck, I'd rather do 5 WPM on 80 meters with an upside down "V" I made from plain wire and installed in a pine tree with a slingshot than 60 WPM on the internet. Different strokes, to each his own, whatever. That's what trips my trigger. (or 40 if 80 is too noisy from the regional thunderstorms.) Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-27 I've been away from here for a while, hoping things would change, and now that I came back I find things are NOT the same--they're worse! Trippy--you need a ham license to participate on the 'ham radio' internet site, so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't. If you enjoy it and the fellow on the other end enjoys it, the heck with naysayers here. Enjoy yourself and stay away from e-ham until they clean up this site--that is the only way to really enjoy ham radio. | ||
| NI0C | 2009-05-27 | |
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| K1CJS wrote: "so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't." You're being illogical here. Nobody said that CQ100 (or reading QST or yapping on eHam) doesn't have anything to do with ham radio. It ought to be obvious to anyone who passed a ham license exam that internet simulations of ham radio are not ham radio, period. Reply to a comment by : K1CJS on 2009-05-27 I've been away from here for a while, hoping things would change, and now that I came back I find things are NOT the same--they're worse! Trippy--you need a ham license to participate on the 'ham radio' internet site, so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't. If you enjoy it and the fellow on the other end enjoys it, the heck with naysayers here. Enjoy yourself and stay away from e-ham until they clean up this site--that is the only way to really enjoy ham radio. | ||
| K1CJS | 2009-05-27 | |
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| I've been away from here for a while, hoping things would change, and now that I came back I find things are NOT the same--they're worse! Trippy--you need a ham license to participate on the 'ham radio' internet site, so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't. If you enjoy it and the fellow on the other end enjoys it, the heck with naysayers here. Enjoy yourself and stay away from e-ham until they clean up this site--that is the only way to really enjoy ham radio. | ||
| W8JN | 2009-05-27 | |
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| This article has to be a joke... he hates contesters and he was one? He is getting it back in his blood? Now here is the biggest lie...300,000 users? hawgwash, bullsh.... nonsense. The lies are non stop in this article. We are in la la land... fairytale.... 73 paul w8jn cq cq cq 802.11.... Reply to a comment by : NI0C on 2009-05-27 K5END wrote: "No offense, but if that fits your definition of Amateur radio, you have my deepest sympathy." And mine as well. 73, Chuck NI0C Reply to a comment by : KG4TKC on 2009-05-27 K5END- There is something about that shaking hand and the first cw contact. When I told my cousin,a long-time ham I had worked my first cw contact,but something was wrong,that my hand shook the whole time and shook for a few minutes afterward he had a good laugh. Said his did too years ago and he still had the QSL card from that hand shaking QSO,,:) He asked me if I knew what that meant,and I said 'yeah,it makes me nervous',and he said 'no,it means you are hooked',,:) He was right about me,and sounds like he was correct about you,,:) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 "but alas, I'm eating..." no problem...after I eat the same, which happens quite OFTEN, I always follow it with a coconut creme banana strawberry apple cinnamon nutmeg snickerdoodle bundt cake cobbler pie. It works for me. hihi. Reply to a comment by : KC2RGU on 2009-05-27 so did I, but alas, I'm eating the crow. :) Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 Darn, and I thought we had the start of a good flame argument going <g> Just kidding!!! Have a good day. 73 Reply to a comment by : KC2RGU on 2009-05-27 Sorry. You're right in that context. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 Not in his case. He said he was using the "wireless" 2.4 GHz to his ISP, the first 6 channels of which happen to be shared in the Amateur band to get to a website to do "virtual CW." That ain't Ham. If it were, anyone using that web-site-Morse-code-chat-room could claim to be using the Ham bands, licensed or not. No offense, but if that fits your definition of Amateur radio, you have my deepest sympathy. Reply to a comment by : KC2RGU on 2009-05-27 "Fresher than an hour ago? Did the band plan change in the last hour? That part of the 2.4 GHz band is SHARED. You don't need an Amateur license to use it. " Many of our bands are shared. Is the 70cm band not Amateur Radio either? How about 30 meter or 60 meter? While the 2.4Ghz band may be shared with unlicensed services you will need an Amateur license to take advantage of many benefits the band has to offer. This by definition makes it Amateur Radio. Reply to a comment by : K5END on 2009-05-27 | ||