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## How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

Created by Trippy Brown, WD8OEP on 2009-05-24

How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
cq100 makes this contester and rag chewer of 32 years, who almost walked away for good, glad to be a ham once again!

By Trippy Brown, WD8OEP

"Qrz, is the frequency in use?" I asked, then unkeyed the transmitter. I heard nothing so, I gave a cq call on 20 meters.

First time, no response back. So, I sent another cq call and unkeyed the transmitter.

I wondered, "is this thing even getting out?"

Then, to my amazement, I heard, visky delta 8, Oscar echo papa, these is victor united 3 victor quebec united, you copy?"

Did I copy him? He was 5 and 9, plus, and no qrm, no qsb either! I had worked my first dx qso from India! Never worked India since I got my ticket in 1977!

His name, Mrinal, and his qth, Calcutta!

Folks, I was in ham radio nirvana! Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio, but for people who live where they can't have any hf antennas up, or, for people going mobile or portable using a laptop computer, and who have an internet connection, either through dialup, broadband, or wireless, it sure is to all of us, and that place? Cq100, of course!

In a time when HF band conditions are absolutely horrible, and folks are getting out of our glorious hobby because of it, and in a time when folks are sick and tired of talking local on 2 meters, and in a time when band conditions on hf are so bad, with contesters not being able to hear each other, and still wanting to participate in contests, I, this ham who lives in an apartment building where I have tried every HF antenna known to mankind and none of them worked, was now sitting here, working the world!

I could have sent him a qsl card and gotten one back, but I don't get into qsl cards.

I also participated in the Michigan qso party, and worked 7 contacts, 1 after the other, too! I also worked the cqm international dx contest, the weekend of May 10, and made 24 qs in that contest! So much for not being able to participate in contesting any more, now I could again!

Cq100 is a wonderful program that lets licensed hams use their desktop, or laptop computer as an hf rig, virtually! You read that right. Folks, I don't have to worry about sunspots, or band conditions being terrible. They never are! qrm? It never exists, because of digital tuning. Every time you press the right or left arrow key, you go up or down 1 kc at a time, and if there is a station a kc below or above you, you don't hear that station! So much for splatter! As a contester, I can contest all I want, and I don't cause interference to any other station, because of that same digital tuning, because stations above me or below me cannot hear me, so no splatter, so interference from contesters is not a problem, so folks can have their qsos or run nets.

On old fashion HF, people can't hear stations because of powerful stronger stations below or above them, whereas on cq100, I don't have problems with stronger stations splattering me so I can't hear the other station (or stations), that I'm talking with.

Qsb? What qsb. No stations fade on my receiver, none at all!

Oh, and let's talk about fluttering signals, like happens on old fashioned HF. On cq100, there is no such thing as fluttering signals that you can't hear when auroral propagation happens, because cq100 is not affected by any propogation problems, like auroras, sunspot cycles, etc.

So, if you haven't tried cq100, please, do me a favor, go and try it, and you'll be hooked like I am!

I'm not getting paid for this article either, but I know a good thing when I use it!

Now I've been a ham, who is an avid contester, and rag chewer, since 1977, and to be honest, I was going to let my license expire this time. I couldn't work hf, and that's my bread and butter, that's where I have all my fun! I was going to sell all my equipment and just get out of the hobby.

Then, a ham told me about cq100. So, I thought to myself, what do I have to lose? If it doesn't work, I'll just get out of the hobby, no big deal.

So, I went to:

Then I downloaded and installed it on my windows xp laptop. Now I'm a blind ham, so, I had to find a work around because my screen reader, (the piece of software that reads the screen to me), wouldn't read the checkbox to accept the license agreement. But then, another blind friend of mine who is a computer geek, more than I am, told me how to check the box and agree to it, using some key strokes I didn't know about!

So, I installed it, and since I already had an account set up with Doug, ve3efc, the inventor and author of cq100, I clicked on the cq100 icon on my desktop, and a box came up for me to type my password. It knew my call sign already, since Doug strictly enforces the rule that hams must send a copy of their license to him, or they don't get to use the software.

So, I made that cq call on 20 meters, and I began a qso with my new Indian ham friend!

It's even better than echo link, because of no ports or routers to configure. You just go to the web site, set up your account, then download and install it, and you're up and running with a free trial for 3 months! If you like it, it's $32 a year, that's it! Anyway, back to my qso with vu3vqu! We had about a 30 minute qso. Then, in the middle of it, another ham, kb8rwi, Mike in Cadillac, Michigan, broke in, so, now we had a round table! But Trippy, people say, this isn't real hf, you don't have an antenna up! Oh I know that, and I also don't have any swr issues, and I don't have to worry about tuning rigs, and I don't have to worry about tubes blowing up on old rigs, and I don't worry about weather problems causing my antenna to blow down, or wet connections, making my swr go through the roof, either! Yes, my friends, that's the joy of it. Now, I can just be a ham and have my contesting or rag chewing fun, and none of those above things to worry about! Yes, I've got my ham radio hobby back, and now, I can say, I am in it to stay! I can go mobile, or portable, too. Right now though, I've been using it from my home location. So, if you contesters are looking for a place to make your qs, there it is! You rag chewers out there, if you're tired of qrm and qsb and bad band conditions, download and install the cq100 software, you'll be saying, "man, I got my hobby back!" There are over 200000 hams who use it, world wide, and now it's heading toward 300000! Now that I've got my contesting fever again, I subscribed to Bruce Horn's contest calendar, which you can get via email. Bruce, wa7bnm, is an avid contester, like myself. Now that I had my hobby back, I couldn't wait to fire up my computer and get on the hf bands, and my first chance would come April 18, 2009, working the Michigan qso party. I absolutely love that contest! So, on Saturday evening, I fired up the laptop, and went on 20 meters. I worked 7 stations in a row! These folks were new to contesting, but they wanted to learn, so, I told them about the contest, and they gave me the exchange that I needed! I worked 3 states, and 2 dx countries that night! The West Virginia station told me, "I'm going to have to use this when our qso party comes up in June." I worked a station in California, who told me he was a contester, and would use it to work the California qso party in October. Now, I can't wait to get Bruce's emailed contest calendar each week, because now, I will be able to work different contests I'm interested in! More and more hams will not be able to put up antennas, because we're all getting older now, and apartment buildings and condos, and nursing homes don't let you put them up. But now, every ham has an hf alternative. With cq100, you can run phone, cw, and psk31. I've worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables! I have no antenna problems any more, and I get on hf any time I feel like! Oh, is it liberating! I can work 10, 15, 20, 40, 75, and 80 meters! My antenna is the Internet, and by the way, any of you folks out there having TVI problems? I have no more TVI problems with neighbors! I don't have problems hearing stations through static crashes, as well! I can work HF anytime and anywhere, that I want! In a time when our ham radio hobby is declining, and young people like computers and voice chat, more than putting up antennas for hf, and all the problems we hams face, such as antenna restrictions, etc., let's give these youngsters something about ham radio they can relate too, and they can relate to computers and the internet, right? You can even use vox, or ptt, your choice! For cw, cq100 lets you use your keyer, a straight key, or the built in keyboard on your computer, to send anywhere from 5 to 100 words per minute! So, if you're a contester, I hope to work you, real soon, on the hf bands. If you're a rag chewer, I hope to have a nice qso with you, very soon! Where will I be contesting and rag chewing in my shack? I'll be doing it on cq100! 73, and I'll see you on the air, real soon! N6HPX 2009-06-14 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: The thing about internet radio is just that its connected to the internet not radio to radio communications that where the difference is located. For me to drive down a road or travel by ship to transmit to another station 100-5000 miles away via a radio is considered real radio. Sure we search the net to check the latests DX contests or the propagations or even who is on whatever band there is. But thats just it web searching its not talking to another station 5000 miles away. Unless you think this chat we have here is Ham radio. I can chat with my wife,kids or other Hams and non Hams on the web via emails or chat like yahoo messenger but its still not a radio. Many shortwave stations have shut down there stations because they claim many are listening to them via the internet. But what about the other half who don't have or can use internet for shortwave or Echo link,d-star. Even if I could I would still not consider it real radio as all its doing is using bandwidth via the internet. And thats the way many feel about the internet radios. just not the same and when you some day turn on that HF and cant find anyone on it you might think ah ha there all on d-star or echo link using internet radios which bring us to the spot of the government to say there not using it we will take it for other uses. KC0UJM 2009-06-13 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Time to put this in perspective, how many of you (raise your hands) use the internet to check DX spots, use HAM related programs to access HAM information, study for your license, .... the list goes on.... And what about Digital Voice? is that also not real HAM communication? What if you were on Echo Link, and talked to another operator that was using Echo Link on the same repeater? Not any difference really. I know a couple of HAM's that use Echo Link to support local Storm events, emergency communication, and don't have any radio's at all, I still concider them HAM's. (Most have never even heard a HF communication, let alone participated in one) Not so long ago this would have been concidered in the same class as what Mr. Brown and many others are doing, let alone the use of APRS that is connected to the Internet (did you know you can send an email from a APRS station?) echo link, IRLP, Wires II, etc... I understand each and everyone of you have what you concider to be "real HAM" communication, but its a hobby in many forms, read on and read the meaning of a HAM at the end. From the ARRL- What is Ham Radio? A housewife in North Carolina makes friends over the radio with another ham in Lithuania. An Ohio teenager uses his computer to upload a digital chess move to an orbiting space satellite, where it’s retrieved by a fellow chess enthusiast in Japan. An aircraft engineer in Florida participating in a “DX contest” swaps his call sign and talks to hams in 100 different countries during a single weekend. In California, volunteers save lives as part of their involvement in an emergency response. And from his room in Chicago, a ham’s pocket-sized hand-held radio allows him to talk to friends in the Carolinas. This unique mix of fun, public service and convenience is the distinguishing characteristic of Amateur Radio. Although hams get involved for many reasons, they all have in common a basic knowledge of radio technology and operating principles, and pass an examination for the FCC license to operate on radio frequencies known as the “Amateur Bands.” These bands are radio frequencies reserved by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for use by hams at intervals from just above the AM broadcast band all the way up into extremely high microwave frequencies. "Ham: a poor operator. A 'plug.'" That's the definition of the word given in G. M. Dodge's The Telegraph Instructor even before radio. The definition has never changed in wire telegraphy. The first wireless operators were landline telegraphers who left their offices to go to sea or to man the coastal stations. They brought with them their language and much of the tradition of their older profession. In those early days, spark was king and every station occupied the same wavelength--or, more accurately perhaps, every station occupied the whole spectrum with its broad spark signal. Government stations, ships, coastal stations and the increasingly numerous amateur operators all competed for time and signal supremacy in each other's receivers. Many of the amateur stations were very powerful. Two amateurs, working across town, could effectively jam all the other operators in the area. When this happened, frustrated commercial operators would call the ship whose weaker signals had been blotted out by the amateurs and say "SRI OM THOSE #&$!@ HAMS ARE JAMMING YOU."

Amateurs, possibly unfamiliar with the real meaning of the term, picked it up and applied it to themselves in true "Yankee Doodle" fashion and wore it with pride. As the years advanced, the original meaning has completely disappeared.
N6HPX 2009-06-13
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
For me the one and only pleasure is knowing I worked it through a real radio and not an artificial one as any internet radio is not real radio. Antennas or not. Internet radio is the same as running a computer on chat mail. Internet radio is destroying the shoprtwave bands and whos to say Ham Bands aint next.
KA9HJZ 2009-06-13
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
What ever turns you on, this guy has his license which helps ham radio keep its numbers up, i use cq100 when the weather is bad and this summer the electrical storms were bad so my antennas are unplugged a lot. i dont take chances with my radio equipment. many of the hams do the same thing and yes it is like using a cellphone the only thing is i use strictly CW and am practicing copying code without writing it and this is a good mode to do it on. right now i am at 15 wpm with no pencil and paper.right now i am using the trial period they give. a lot of these hams live in senior communities and nursing homes and can not have ham radios,its a great way for them to keep up with ham radio.No i did not give up HF i use my radios a couple of times a week.one of these days you might find a need for it.also i met a lot of nice hams on it. enjoy CW.
N6HPX 2009-06-13
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I have traveled all my life and most of that for Uncle Sam on the civilian side. And there is no way I could ever use internet radio on board my ship. On top of that I dont see it as real radio. I get much more pleasure knowing I spent 10 minutes working a station in a pileup on say 6 meters or 20 and getting the thrill of going away with the contact..thaats real radio.

I am also an advide shortwave buff and spend many hours listening to distant stations like Transworld out of africa from Hawaii. Thats real radio.

To hearing on a laptop is not the same and no way is it as much fun.

Dxing via radio is just that real dx not via a laptop as I can do that with my kids in the Philippines from anywhere.
KA4DQJ 2009-06-13
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
If there's a common thread running through eham comments it's the absolutely rude and insulting juvenile responses from some of the children who come here. I'm certain they wouldn't say these things to anyone's face, but put the kiddie keyboard warriors in front of a monitor and their web courage knows no bounds.

I have my own ideas about how the ham hobby got that way, but suffice it to say it's the same reason that CB became what it is. Lower the standards for entry, and the quality of the entrants become lower as well.

As far as CQ100 goes, it's different. I don't think it's ham radio. But, this is a well written and thoughtful article regardless of my opinion. I've used it, and this article sent me back to find that my account has expired, and I have to go through the entire mess of submitting my license again. I ain't going to do all that again.

Back to my other opinion, I think that eham needs to "get shed" of the inadequate personalities that can't make a post without insulting someone. More and more, this place needs a good cleaning.
KC0UJM 2009-06-12
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
yes, Not Ham radio by traditional means, but since when is ham radio traditional? The Internet, although digital (so is CW) still uses RF to transmit the information. Ham radio is a hobby, and it takes that form in many different ways. There are people that like the "format" that goes with HAM communications, and others like the technical side, some like both. When you took your test, was there not parts that included the correct format for communication? I can tell you, I have heard alot of hams that should have to use this program to practice the procedures before they get back on the "wireless" airwaves.

Tim
kc0ujm
KO0KY 2009-06-12
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I do see a use for this. I travel a lot on business, and I take my 2m handie with me along with a repeater directory. Sometimes I will take a Vectronics QRP rig with me to use 30m CW. However, many times there is simply too much electrical noise to even think about trying to have a QSO with such a tiny rig and a compromised antenna. With QSOnet I could keep my code skills sharp on a two week business trip, and get on every night after work, without dealing with the neon sign static in the motel room. It would also be very handy for short foreign trips where I don't want to fool with getting a reciprocal license.

I see a use for this, but it ain't radio, just an activity to supplement our radio activities.
N6HPX 2009-06-12
RE: Not the real thing!
If you think about it Internet radio is what is killing shortwave right now, many of those broadcasters are tunring to the internet to send there transmissions rather than over the airwaves. Thats not the real radio many of us grew up with. Listening to far away dx that we spent hours working or trying to and working the pile ups. Thats real radio not the internet stuff. I can do that with chat mail with my daughter or son every weekend while I travel out here.

D-star and Echolink all fall into internet radio, and you can never use that QSL for a DXCC. The pleasure of working a station on 6 meters or the higher bands is the real challenge not this internet stuff.
N6HPX 2009-06-11
RE: Not the real thing!
I keep asking why he never tried the same thing on a real radio rather than Internet radio, as anyone can do that even with out a license, its called Yahoo or Hotmail and thats with out a radio as well. Try turning the attention to a radio and antenna and see how well you can work that same station on HF bands, I have worked many on HF and even though some took time to work it I still had the happiness knowing my signals got through to the other party. As for example working the JT1 on 6 meters. Internet is just that internet and radio is alot more fun. Unless you consider listening to some broadcasts off an internet shortwave. Not the same unless my sangean is turnned on and hearing it.
N0JYC 2009-06-11
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
W8JN - No matter what anyone says -- you just don't get it!
W8JN 2009-06-10
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
doug,
from the very beginning i have defended everyone's right to enjoy any hobby from which they receive satisfaction. i have never degraded or made any negative comments about viop chat. i am actually impressed with the level of sophistication of the "software rigs" kinda slick!!!
my bone of contention has always been with the scam these three boys have tried to put over on the ham community. tell a pitiful story about a disabled ham getting his spirit and intensity back for only $32 per year, can you say "set it and forget it" "pocket fisherman" amway, jim bakker, charles ponzi etc. there are any number of free programs that are better than the scamaramma the three musketeers are trying to pull. best 73 paul w8jn, looking out for my wallet VA3BD 2009-06-10 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: It's great to have discussion on a topic and KI6ZRH's comments were an example of an appropriate response. But as for some of you other folks: 1. Please keep in the mind that the poor guy who wrote this article was obviously excited about a new piece of technology and just wanted to share this knowledge with other hams. I call that great ham spirit! 2. There was no need to write nasty comments about the author such as implying that he is a poor operator or not a real ham. I seem to remember a list from the front of the handbook that included "The ham radio operator is COURTEOUS and the operator is FRIENDLY" Some of the "real ham" posters out there might want to keep those suggestions in mind. 3. Politics again? - Can't we keep ham radio as the one place where we don't fight? There are many political chat rooms and phone in shows where you can air your opinions. I would respectfully suggest that in the true spirit of ham radio we keep this one topic off of the bands and off of this site. 4. Finally, to address the topic itself, while it may not involve a tx, the activity certainly revolves around the hobby of ham radio, just as this site does. I consider checking up on this internet site a valid part of my hobby and I don't see any reason why an internet simulator should not be considered in the same fashion. 73 Doug VA3BD AG6OC 2009-06-10 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I guess I agree with many other posters here. What you are referring to is a simulation of ham radio, a sort of internet game or a chat room made up to look as though one is using a radio. I thought the whole point of Amateur Radio was the radio part. I would liken what you are doing to the driving simulators one used when learning how to drive. There was a steering wheel, a gas pedal and a brake pedal. On a screen in front of you, perhaps a small simulated child darted out in front of the "car" and you had to stomp on the "brake" to get the "car" to stop and avoid hitting the simulated child. But there really was no car and no child. It was driving in the same sense as what you are describing is ham radio. That being said, it seems like a nifty way to chat around the world when one can't actually use RF - sort of like what we are all doing on eham and other ham radio websites. W8JN 2009-06-09 RE: edposing the myths do i deny global warming? absolutely i do. it has become a religion and the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on this planet. remember your scientist pals concluded during the late 70's that we were entering another ice age! we actually are on the cooling side of the constantly changing (since the beginning of time) temperature roller coaster. global warming? kyoto protocols? right up there with money trees, pie in the sky and pink elephants! i do appreciate your effort to dig up the article in the cincinnati enquirer. i will give it a try and see what comes up! 73 paul w8jn KB6YH 2009-06-09 RE: edposing the myths Calling people "nutjobs" is a bit childish. I tried to look up for article. There were many articles that came up in the search. I did not see the one you mentioned.Also it is exposing not edposing. I can't spell. Only 8 homeless people. I do not believe that this can be extrapolated to the USA in general. Take a look at this please.http://www.mihomeless.org/MCAH/Welcome_files/Michigan%27s%202007%20Annual%20Report%20Final%20.pdf. It is about the demographics of homeless people in Michigan (estimated 79.000 homeless. Many are veterans. I wouldn't base by opinion on one article and a probable miscount in one newspaper article. Our military expenditures exceed those of the the rest of the world combined. Why pick on the homeless? I think there are better targets for your anger. I'd start with overpaid executives and "american' companies that incorporate overseas to avoid taxes. I think your preoccupation with the homeless is a bit weird. To get all the advantages of being homeless you could try to adopt that lifestyle. Many homeless are minors, many are mentally ill, many are veterans. Who are you to judge who is a nutcase? The "facts" from one local newspaper can't be extrapolated to the entire country and all counts of homeless. I guess in the one case you cited the counting was correct and all other counts are wrong. Counting homeless is difficult because they are homeless. Do you deny global warming? I don't need to know.BTW if there are only a tiny number of homeless (almost none) why is it such a big deal to you. I'm going back to my radio. I don't believe you exposed any myths, just provided some new ones. 73 W8JN 2009-06-09 edposing the myths "A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors." no they are not..... absolute ridiculous nonsense!!! debunked lies to keep the money pouring in and keep homeless advocates in a job. Mentally ill need help? yes they do! thousands of poor women and children seeking shelter in empty buildings, homeless shelters and under bridges? bogus lies and complete fabrications, remember, the homeless advocates in cincinnati claimed 25,000 homeless in this area. 2000 census found 11 (yes eleven). please go to the "cincinnati enquirer" search engine, type in "homeless 2000 census" the articles will appear. i cite my statistics as opposed to the liberal nut jobs who simply "invent numbers and stories" to make their point. best 73 paul w8jn always exposing the truth... hiooo silverrr awayyyy KB6YH 2009-06-08 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: You really must have been upset during the Great Depression when so many people were milking the system. Where can I go to get free cheese?It's been years since there was a government cheese surplus. Ah, the good old days. We could gather up all these inferior people and put them in camps, but maybe their not inferior because they are cleverly avoiding taxes. Many of the homeless are helped by a community based service called "Loaves and Fishes" I think it is horrible how these people have been duped into helping others. A large percentage of the homeless are women with small children. many others are minors. Mentally ill people aren't necessarily evil. They are ill. I heard of a guy once that thought he was Hopalong Cassidy and another thought he was Sky King. "Who was that masked man?" I don't know, but he took away my government cheese." "He didn't give you anything for it." "Well, he gave me this silver bullet that is labeled "made in China"' 73 I'm off to the B-Bar-B. N0JYC 2009-06-08 RE: government cheese W8JN - They sure can't fool you, can they? W8JN 2009-06-07 government cheese pardon my typo.. 5 affluent people living with relatives while their tornado home is rebuilt for 6 months counts as 900 homeless..... the homeless in sacramento, miami, sandiego, are not natives. they migrate there from cold climates so that they can panhandle in comfort and make$50k per year in unreported income. people who feel sorry for them and give them cash, enable them to live their life style. report after report shows , when given an opportunity to change their life style, they chose to stay where they were.
there are people who legitimately need help from the government. they are NOT the people you see on the street or the 350 pound starving people lined up at the free store food bank to get their "government cheese".
Think about it, someone who is really homeless must have pissed off lots of relatives. where we come from, we dont allow our family to be in need. by the way, you can come to my shack and play with my toys anytime, and its w8jn, not n8jn.
how did this thread turn political?? the same nonsense you hear every day. we are not allowed to criticize, not allowed to disagree and when someone says that a new **program** saved someones life, ask two questions... how much did the government spend and is the supposed needy person really needy and better yet, does the subject of the tear jerker story really exist?? tippies life saved by a $32 per year program? give us a break. these three guys are the worst liars on the internet. there are lots of free programs that do the same, Billy Boy, Tippner, and the designer of the program (cq100) all in cahoots with each other to hit our wallets. I think closer examination will reveal nigerian ham calls. har har har best 73 paul w8jn hioooo sillverrr awayyyy KB6YH 2009-06-07 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I do believe this first political comment on this topic was from a ham that called the starter of the thread a liberal just because he thought he must be. He did not speak of liberals in a positive manner which is his right, but it wasn't a liberal that turned this into a political discussion. Actually I am at the exact middle between a extreme liberal and extreme conservative. I am a republicrat. I do not hate the rich or the poor just people with a medium income. Rich or poori isn't what I judge people by and I never said that it was. I'll have to tell all the homeless people in Sacramento that they don't exist. That should be good news for them. Saying that I had station envy was not a plea for sympathy. I was just saying that I liked his station. I never said that anybody should help the homeless. I never said that I wanted wanted help from anybody.I never said that GM should be bailed out. I did get threatened by expressing my opinion. I did not threaten anyone. Everybody, no matter what your politics have a good day, and enjoy your radio..please. W8JN 2009-06-07 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: charles, type my call into eham call search and you will see my toys. i love these liberals... "put up wind turbines..(but not in my back yard"). Teddy Kennedy ps.... the hard core homeless are mentally ill and are homeless by choice. are all you liberals aware if your house burns down and you are a family of five , each day that you are out of your house counts as 5 homeless days? if you live with your parents for 6 months while your house is being rebuilt, the homeless advocates count your family as 5 X 6 months homeless people? your family now counts as 400 homeless over the 6 month period! the year 2000 census, they sent out 30 dedicated census workers to find the projected 25,000 homeless in cincinnati. they found 11... YES ELEVEN!!!! the census takers outnumbered the homeless almost 3-1... wow the truth hurts. 73 paul w8jn hi oooo silverrrr awayyyyyyy NO6L 2009-06-07 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >by KC5NYJ on June 7, 2009 >How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics? I can tell you why and how. For years, there has been a hoard of liberal knuckle-draggers trolling forums looking for any discussion and pipe up with some negative reference to the Right to use to prop up an argument. For example, someone might say "That's %&#$ed up". And, they pop of with it being like this or that Republican or conservative. Fast foreword to now, WE'VE FRIGGIN' HAD IT UP TO HERE. And now, not just me, but *we* are returning the favor. If these, as I said, knuckle-draggers actually listened to talk radio and not assume what's being said there by what they hear on the alphabet networks, they'd know why this is happening, all over the 'net.

I'm done with this for now, 'by all.
de NO6L
NO6L 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
>by KB6YH on June 7, 2009
>The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus.

Bush was an idiot when it came to handling almost everything, but, considering he inherited 9/11 from Clinton he did ok in spite of his extreme Left Wing Globalist agendas. As for a surplus, you are naive. There was no surplus, the amount of growth of the national debt was lower, BECAUSE THE CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS WE HAD FOR A TOO SHORT OF TIME LOWERED TAXES IN SPITE OF CLINTON. A lower growth of the debt does *NOT* make a surplus, no matter how the left spins it.

Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine.

As opposed to the Welfare Machine? Right, there's a fine example of bureaucratic efficiency.

>I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS... Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS....

Like what, the fact that adult stem cells are better suited for medical treatments than fetal stem cells? Or, global warming is a krock and the climate's been cooling for the past 3 years? Or, man made Chlorofluorocarbons cause ozone holes, but not the ones from a volcano that can actually launch them into the upper atmosphere?

That kind scientific research? You see, I agree, Bush was a moron, because all these things are easily disputed and he just let it slide, or, is he really a leftist like I said?

And, you want us to take seriously what PBS and NPR have to say when they're just 'Crat party mouthpieces? I don't think so, I'd sooner get my news from CNN. Their politics may twisted-upsidedown, but at least they're privately owned.

>Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio.

It's not any kind of radio. It's fake, like the junk science spouted by Left leaning "news agencies".

>I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy.

Then tries to use the guilt card.
NO6L 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
>by W8JN on June 7, 2009
>hey n6ol,
where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!!

WARFA Net Tues 8 PT Tues 3.908
and
3.840, for now, if I'm not there one night, I'll be sometime, after all, I'm not on *every night*, right KB6YH!

>...and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments...

And I'm good on QRZ with a picture of my modest install. Where's that photo that KB6YH is apoplectic about? I want to see it, too, for a different reason, to dream about my "Dream Shack" and compliment you on yours.

73
de NO6L
K5TED 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
How did we go from lame VOIP vs Ham Radio to Politics?
KB6YH 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
The mess we have inherited came from Bush. Clinton left a budget surplus. Not regulating financial companies and continual spending by the war machine. Take time to look up how much we spend on our military compared to the all the other countries in the world. Compare how many bases we have in other countries to all the others in the world. Many find the cures to this financial mess distasteful, but others think that inaction would be worse. It is hard to argue that Bush improved America's position in the world. It remains to be seen what Obama's legacy will be. Since so many conservatives supported Bush -Chaney for two terms it appears that as a group conservatives didn't think they lied or thought it was somehow OK. I could provide you with a list of lies and a list of violations of violations of human rights. I could provide you a list of the ways Bush ignored or modified the results of scientific research, But it would kill my carpal tunnels. :) Watch PBS.Back to ham radio. I agree that cq100 and VOIP is not blood and guts real ham radio. Also if somebody shows a photo of a station on this site, he has made it available for me to see. I didn't twist his arm. I enjoy looking at these photos and suffer from station envy. I did not mean to infer that there is something wrong with having a nice station. Guys that talk constantly about audio quality and what mike they are using bore me, but If they enjoy it it's no skin off my nose. Watch Bill Moyer...and PBS. 73 to one and all.
NO6L 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
by KB6YH on June 7, 2009
>"...heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night..."

Let us discuss "pompous" by example, shall we? I don't give "speeches" on Amateur Radio, it's not the place for it. I voice my opinion from time to time, as do others, as do, well, you. But because I'm an "evil right wing extremist", which all Conservatives are to the 'Crats and their Left wing knucklehead constituents, mine are "speeches". Every night? Are you sure? In the last 2 weeks alone:

Last week, relay for WARFA, 2 hrs, the rest of the week, 2 days, about 3 hrs each, discussing radio stuff and a little about the activities of a lid, or two. No politics.

Tues, relaying on WARFA, 2 hrs
Wed, wasn't on the air
Thur, relayed for WARFA, 1 hr, ragchewed on 3.840 1.5 hrs, no politics
Fri, wasn't on
Sat, 38.40, 3 hrs discussing audio techniques on Amateur Radio, still no politics

>"...Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS..."

Never mentioned Limbaugh on 75 or any other band except one time when I was asked if I listened. Actually, I prefer Micheal Savage (That'll make KB6YHs head explode!), who I've discussed more than the Golfer, er, Limbaugh, 2 maybe 3 times.

Can't watch Fox News, I don't have cable where I'm at and I don't subscribe to satellite, can't afford either, more on that later.

Now, about that pompous thing. You see, because I'm a conservative and have opinions, you think, or, assume, that I execute the "crimes" you specified above. Good job, you are not only pompous, but presumptuous, too.

>"...I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans..."

What business is it of yours what anothers shack contains? Why must people who worked hard for what they accomplish be made to feel guilty for it? Why is it their job to have sympathy for others, isn't that what family is for? I understand, in Obamaland, there's no room for family, what with Mommy Government taking care of our every need. It's the job of those who succeed to distribute their care and sympathy, THROUGH HUGE TAXES!

Now, a little history about me, that, either you failed to mention in your above diatribe, either because you never heard me at length, on any band, or, thought I'd be too proud to mention it myself here; My wife is on SSI temporarily and I'm paid a pittance by the county to assist in her care. It comes out to just about $1000 a month. We currently live a a very dear friends old RV and pay$250 rent. We could force the issue and get much more, then we could afford satellite TV, at the least, and be able to watch Fox News instead of the "Alphabet Networks" drivel on broadcast TV. That said, why am I so against the Obamanation and his and the 'Crats Nanny-State? Simple, If "trickle up poverty" succeeds, that wealthy person you hate so much won't be able to...

>>>------------> HIRE ME! <-------------<<<

There it is, pure logic as to why someone in my financial position despises Liberals, the Left, 'Crats and their little Workers Paradise Nanny-State.

Let this be a lessen to you, never, ever assume anything concerning me. And trust me, you don't want to continue this Conservative bashing flame fest. I'll take you apart.
KB6YH 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I did not urge you to share the equipment in your shack. I do not donate to the guys on street corners. I did not urge you to share your home. You suppose all this so it is "true" to you. Your assumption that all homeless are mentally ill is also a assumption.The assumption that most homeless want to be homeless is typical right-wing propaganda. I might have misstated that No^L is the guy on 75 meters that "informed." A quote from Rassmusin Polls:In the final full month of his Presidency, just 13% of American adults said they Strongly Approved of the way that George W. Bush performed his job as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapproved. That gives the President a -30 rating on the Presidential Approval Index. I got a note saying that Obama's zero rating was the lowest ever according to the same pollsters. Bill
W8JN 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
hey n6ol,
where and when are you on 80 meters? i would like to listen to your comments!! and to the gentleman commenting on my shack... THANK YOU for the nice comments. i worked hard collecting all that stuff and do not suffer from "white guilt" i do not feel the need to share my toys with the less fortunate. i do not need to open my home to the homeless(another liberal myth) there are no homeless in the usa. the truth is, homeless people in the usa are the hard core mentally ill. almost all choose to be homeless. i'll bet you actually give money to the frauds who stand on the street corners with "homeless God bless" signs. ever notice their clothes are clean and they are well groomed, like they just took a shower before their "vanpool" picked them up for their daily homeless scam????
73 paul w8jn... exposing more liberal lies and proud of it!!!!!
K5TED 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
" communication by hams using ham radio operating procedures via the internet"

So, with that logic, Mario Kart racing is the same as NASCAR.
K5TED 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"I’ve worked the world, and had many qsos and many round tables!"

I can do that with SpeakFreely and it's free.

This is just another retarded attempt at equating VOIP with radio. It's stupid.
WA8MEA 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
A tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports shows a new surge of disapproval for the way President Obama is performing, pushing his approval index to zero, the lowest overall rating yet.

The poll today showed 34 percent of the nation's voters strongly approve of Obama's performance and the same number strongly disapprove, the highest level yet for strong disapproval.

A previous assessment showed two of every three voters oppose government bailout plans for General Motors, and the newest assessment cited the high level of dissatisfaction.

"The president's ratings have slipped since General Motors filed for bankruptcy to initiate a new government bailout and takeover. Just 26 percent of Americans believe the GM bailout was a good idea and nearly as many support a boycott of GM products. It remains to be seen whether the dip in the president's numbers is a temporary reaction to recent news or something more substantive," the newest report said.

The company's approval index is calculated by subtracting those who strongly disapprove of the president from those who strongly approve.

The assessment showed, overall, 54 percent of voters say they at least somewhat approve of Obama's work, and 46 percent disapprove.

Only 21 percent expect peace is likely between the Palestinians and Israel despite Obama's Middle East trip this week, while 66 percent see Israel as an ally of the U.S. and 29 percent say the same thing of Egypt.

Fewer than three in 10 voters nationwide expect U.S. relations with Muslim countries to be better in coming months, and just about the same number (21 percent) expect things to worsen, the survey said.

The results are collected via telephone surveys of 500 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error for the full sample of 1,500 likely voters is plus or minus three percentage points. The results contain a 95 percent level of confidence.

Rasmussen Reports said it weights its data to reflect the population at large.
KB6YH 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I meant my comments for N8JN. If anyone does not agree with the last post. they must have been brain washed in college by evil liberals. Any poll that does not come out like he thinks it should was a unfair poll. The person who started this thread can't possibly be really blind. I've heard N6OL's speeches on 75 meters. In fact I listened to him so often because I found it fascinating. that this fellow could pompously expound on his right-wing "information" every night like it was some kind of news program where a huge audience gathered to hang on each of his "truthful" words. Often I heard references to Rush Limbaugh and FOX NEWS.Lets not feed the children people on welfare who are fat because their parents eat to much. Also, what is your proof the people on welfare are fatter than anybody else people.I have never been on welfare, nor has anybody else in my family. I've seen photos of N8JN's "shack" . It doesn't look you are hurting. Why not spare a little sympathy for those that are. The last election should have shown you that the Bush policies were seen as a failure by most Americans.
NO6L 2009-06-07
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
>by KB6YH on June 6, 2009
>Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush.

You know, talk about beating a dead horse. Let's go down the line on the above quote, shall we? Yes, you have heard lies from the Right. Quit being a smug ass trying to use sarcasm. As for your "Fountains of truth", let's skip Bush and Cheney, after all, you know a politician is lying when he/she talks, so it's an irrelevant and pointless statement meant to spread propaganda from your own little corner of "the planet", not "world", of course. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen often, mostly in the background to "fill in the silence", but, pray tell, when has he lied? As far as I've heard, he reports what some knucklehead 'Crats and Libs say and do, direct from your precious MSM (main stream media), by the way, and then comments on it. Where's the lie? Have you listened, or are you just regurgitating what's spoon fed to you by the 'Crats or Media? Or, does the information from the MSM in it's true un-parsed form irritate you because the *real* lies, by omission and outright from the MSM are exposed? Fox News is another Whipping Boy" of the Left and 'Crats. But, again, where are the lies? They report the same things as the morons at CNN and MSN, it's just more complete, though not as much as I like. Not parsed and cleansed like CNN/MSN for spoon feeding to the losers who depend so completely on the soothing they offer to the Left.

>What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe playing on peoples emotions with the blindness things. Encouraging people to spend money on something that can be had for free without mentioning the free service. Painting a nice rosy picture in a fake world. Proclaiming it *is* Amateur Radio, because it is to *him*. Hey, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck".

>I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education.

Because people with bad grammar believe the propaganda from the MSM. If you really read deeper or actually go out and find the information yourself, you'll find most of those polls are taken in 'Crat dominant voting districts with "State" universities in them. What do *you* think the polls would show? As for "most education", you mis-spoke, that should have been "indoctrination". Because the graduates from *real* institutions of learning, where they teach how to actually earn a living, and not how to basket weave and philosophy, don't support this "Obamanation" of the presidential office.

So, go ahead, put on your rose colored sun glasses. Keep believing that the 17 executive orders in the first two months are for your own good and that this reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain ) will save us from ourselves, there Johnson.
KB6YH 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education.
KB6YH 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Yes I have never heard a lie from the right-wing. Sorry I just lied. The fountains of truth are Bush, Chaney, FOX NEWS and Rush. What makes you think that the original poster is a left winger and not real smart like you ? I wonder why Obama gets better polls numbers from the people with the most education.
W8JN 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
charlie, the interesting thing about lying liberals is that people rarely check their stats and they get by with the lies! when they actually get called on lie number one, they simply go on to lie number 2. NOT HERE. they are the ones who said it was on its way to 300,000 subscribers at $32 per sub...$9,000,000 ???? wow them liberals are making some serious jack. did you notice that the boss himself came out earlier in this thread when i ran the numbers that they supplied and computed their take at $9 mil? suddenly he was tripping on his tongues denying all of the stats that they supplied. ever notice how fat the starving people are, who line up at the free food store???? lack of food must make a person put on weight...... best 73 paul w8jn gidd yuppp hi oooooo silverrr awayyyyyy riding that dead horsey NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >Pssst. >Two words: WARC Bands. Pssst Ten words for contesters: Stay out of the passband of my QSO in progress. NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >by DL3ZM on May 27, 2009 >Please America tell me that you do not have more people like Mr. Trippy Brown! Please tell me that this is just one individual opinion and that there are still a lot of radio operators in the US. Other wise I fear we can close amateur radio. Hans-Georg (DL3ZM) No, don't give up on us Hans. We're still here and most have no intention on replacing real radio with a simulator, my friend. Some day we may QSO on the air, but I'm mostly a ragchewer, so it'll be a while. 73 Chuck de NO6L NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >by WA8MEA on June 6, 2009 >Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. >*****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.***** I myself never said it was a bad idea. But why not link the two together using CQ100 as a portal so the people that can't participate in traditional Amateur Radio actually get on the air, for real? There's a bunch here on the west coast that have been doing it for years using TS-2000s and computers. Now would that not be REALLY empowering someone? Or, maybe it's giving them too much. Hmmm, I wonder... >...I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching --> FAUX News <-- ... W8JN, good call on his ideology! >(Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!) Once again, we're confronted by someone trying to make a stab at our "Guilt Lobe", which, mine is thankfully very undeveloped, because I have nothing to feel guilty about. But it's still obnoxious to read or hear it attempted. And I am a *real* Radio Amateur. Now, you want to talk about empowering? Ok, you asked for it, I was instrumental in getting a VERY dyslexic radio amateur licensed, and due to his powers of observation that offset his reading disability and can-do attitude, he makes a fantastic and valuable member of the amateur community. And, he would not touch this CQ100 thing with a 10 foot pole in it's current incarnation because radio is not involved in any way. NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: W8JN, And here all along we get bombarded by the Left about how evil capitalism, corporations and even small business is. But, give them something like this or global warming and all the sudden they find out you can make money on it, either through grants, save the children or empower the disabled. It's no different, the money's the same color, it's just that business doesn't generally lie about their motivation, the Left does. Why not call it what it is, a specialized, online VOIP chatroom for radio amateurs by invitation only. I know it's a mouthfull, but not as a subtitle. I would hope the reason is not to sound exclusionary. So what if it is, Amateur Radio, by it's very nature is exclusionary, you need a license and have to have a certain amount of knowledge to get it. On the other hand, CB and open online forums are not exclusionary, and look what a mess they are! I do have a problem with a statement he made. He said 200,000 members. Ok, prove that. I want proof that there are 200,000 members. Not just hearsay. I could tell you I have some kind of service, have 10 clients and claim 1000. How could I be disputed? Client lists are protected by law. You would have to take my word for it. Well, I'm *not* taking his word for it no matter how uncomfortable it is. Now, if they want to attract attention from someone like me, link with some volunteers, or even pay them, to link to HF rigs. They can use scripting through Java or PHP to verify their license and that they are who they say they are. Now THAT would be worth$32 a year. This would be really cool, because if say you were in a situation where you could not get at an antenna or were over seas on business, you could still get on HF, for real, albeit by subscription, anywhere in the world. Or, just use the simulator.

Until then, it's just a VOIP chat service offered to radio amateurs only. There are dozens of free or nearly free services you can set something like this up on without a proprietary software application, and they would not be Amateur Radio either.
WA8MEA 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
BTW, the above was furnished by K3ROJ....
WA8MEA 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Well at first I thought using the internet for radio communications was a bad idea. But, after getting on during the trial period, I met several hams who otherwise would never have an opportunity to talk to the ham community. Many live in areas with antenna restrictions, some do not have radio gear

*****and a few who I have talked to are in veteran hospitals using laptops on their bed.*****

I use the radio waves everyday but always return to CQ100 especially in the mornings while watching FAUX News or the History channel while sipping coffee. I would never normally talk to stations down under in Australia with my meager 100 watt radios so CQ100 does have it's place here in the shack. As far as Echolink goes, it is too difficult to setup and use. Besides, I like the CQ100 radio on my screen since it looks so cool compared to my boring IC7800 weighing over 60 pounds.
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(Anybody want to bash the veterans in the VA hospitals for using CQ100? Come on! You can do it!! Be a REAL HAM!)
WA8MEA 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
From Dave, AB9PM:

The CQ 100 was a great innovative idea. For those hams who cannot maintain their permanent station because of age, or living conditions it gives them a great venue to continue in the hobby. No it doesn't give you the ability to put your "signal" on the air, but it allows communications for amateur radio operators with restrictions. It can also be a good venue for new hams to learn protocol while not on the air yet. It is a hams only association and I think that is a positive thing.

It was a great idea, and more amateurs are joining over time. I am glad to have had the opportunity to participate, and I did join the group. I have experienced some very good conversations with different hams in other countries. It gave me a new perspective on my own living in the United States.

I complemented the owner of the system for his innovative idea. I like the look of having a rig in front of me with controls and a fake "s" meter. If you have a decent hf station it may not be for you, as you can realize your ham experience on the air. However for those less fortunate it is a great alternative experience and I hope other amateurs around the world continue to join.
WA8MEA 2009-06-06
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
From W2BLC:

I do have to wonder why some reviewers rate the CQ100 system as a 0 or a 1, based solely upon their dislike for VOIP systems. The eHam review process is to tell others if a product works as designed and/or claimed. This is not the venue to vent about personal dislikes for particular modes of operation.

CQ100 is a fine ham radio use of VOIP. It provides ham radio style contacts without the need for antennas (very important to a growing number of ops) and allows ZERO chance of QRM.

The software and operation of the CQ100 QSO Net operation is technically excellent. I have spent the $32 for an annual membership - which is probably the least expensive purchase involving my shack I made in years. Considering the number of hours I spend on CQ100, the cost is pennies an hour. The on screen "radio device" works FB. The software installs easily and is sure fire - very unlike my experiences with EchoLink. Why anyone would want to include band fading and interference to make the experience more "radio like" is beyond me. I enjoy the quiet peaceful contacts I make on CQ100. Hmmmm - maybe that is why some ops don't like CQ100 - they can't QRM anyone. I have been hamming for over 45 years and treat CQ100 is just another mode that I choose to use as part of my overall ham radio operation. W8JN 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Charles, I get a big kick out the pompous self righteous self proclaimed final authorities on a subject like our "stop beating a dead horse" pal. He stepped into a mess, cant extricate himself, so he will now take his ball and go home, declaring "game over" because "I said so". Typical liberal attack. "It's for the children, it's for the disabled" and when you poke holes in their fallacious hyperbole, they come out name calling and accusing. As I said all along, Billy Boy and his pal Tippnert set this entire money making scam up to tug at our heart strings and open our wallets. Got to get up real early to fool me with Billy's and Tapperns scam. I wonder if they are from Nigeria? Best 73 Paul w8jn (not falling for Ponzi or 3 card monty) hiooo silver awayyyyy.... NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >by KG4TKC on June 6, 2009 >The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green In other words, just *SAYING* CQ100 is Amateur Radio and someone who claims (only because I don't know him personally) he is disabled somehow, *SAYS* it is, does *NOT* make CQ100 Amateur Radio. It's not, will never be, can never be and has never been. And all the politically correct double talk will not make it Amateur Radio. With one exception, if someone links it to the *REAL* world of RF. In which case, it would be rendered irrelevant because at that point you might as well just remote your rig through UHF or the Internet. Amateur Radio is not just what is described in the article, it's the: QRN QRM Selective fading Multipath distortion Faraday rotation SWR Soldering iron burns Blown down antennas Blown up amps Lost rare ones QSL cards lost in the mail Lids Pirates Slims Trolls It's all Amateur Radio, the good *AND* the bad. Live it all, or leave it. NO6L 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Isn't constantly saying someone is "beating a dead horse", ad nauseam, the same thing? If you're secure in your conclusions, friggin' ignore it! Or, is there a grain of truth at minimum and your conscience a little tattered. If not, let it go or people will continue amusing themselves at your expense. KG4TKC 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'," as posted on wordwizard.com WA8MEA 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Flogging A Dead Horse Wisdom says that when you discover you are flogging a dead horse, the best strategy is to cease. However, on Internet discussion boards (For example, eHam.com), people often try other strategies. These can include the following: * Buying a stronger whip. * Change floggers. * Saying things like "this is the way we always have flogged dead horses". * Appointing a committee to study the flogging of dead horses. * Arranging to visit other websites (QRZ for instance) to see how they flog dead horses. * Increasing the standards of flogging dead horses. * Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse. * Creating a training session to increase our flogging abilities. * Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment. * Pass a resolution declaring that "this horse is not dead". * Blaming the horse's parents. * Flogging several dead horses together for increased satisfaction. * Declaring that, "No horse is too dead to beat." * Providing additional funding to increase the dead horse's performance. * Do a study to see if contractors can flog it for less. * Declare the dead horse is "better, faster and cheaper" after flogging. * Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses. * Revisit the performance requirements for dead horses. * Say this dead horse was procured with eHam subscription monies. * Promote the dead horse to a moderators position. W8JN 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." George W Bush "You can never fool me. Get your hand off my wallet and tell your sob pitiful story to a real fool" w8jn WA8MEA 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: While snarlers strive with proud but fruitless pain.... To wound immortals, or to slay the slain. To twice slay the slain, by dint of the brain.... is but labor in vain, unproductive of gain. Thomas Henry Huxley KG4TKC 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: To WA4YZA: Thanks for your comment! It was a joy to read. Just shows how that sometimes a lot can be said in just a few well written paragraphs. You described the joys of amateur radio very well. Thanks WA8MEA 2009-06-06 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: As rigor mortis sets in on the old horse.... ....while flies and gnats are swarming and feeding off the decomposing flesh of this murdered palomino.... The floggings continue....unmercifully....unabated.... The stench is overwhelming.... The small crowd continues the whippings in almost a joyful, frenzied, yet satanic-like trance. Crack after crack, you can almost hear the horse cry out in pain....even in death....with each lash handed down. W8JN 2009-06-05 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Bill its Not a dead horse. You and your boys were simply exposed as a bunch of frauds, trying to make a few$$with a bogus story about a tear jerker disabled ham who "didnt jump off the ledge" because of some 32 per year program. Wow, you and your pals just underestimated the crowd. You actually had some fooled. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." A. Lincoln. Come back next week and tell us a story about a man who lost both of his arms in an automobile accident, but some new 44 a year program allowed him to send cw with his eye movement. I am feeling a tear well up in my eye thinking about that poor double amputee. best 73 Paul w8jn gidd-i-yupp horseee hio silver awayyyy WA8MEA 2009-06-05 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Whip it.... Whip it good.... Whip it even if it's the horse is now dead.... K5END 2009-06-05 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: oh, c'mon. she's good for another rodeo or two... :0 73 WA8MEA 2009-06-05 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: beaten.... bruised.... battered.... no more heart beat.... no more brain waves.... "It's dead, Jim...." One dead horse.... K5END 2009-06-04 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: quote, "It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. " Man, you said it best. Bravo. KB6YH 2009-06-03 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Poetic! I guess ham radio means something different to each of us, but I believe you hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Bill KD4Q 2009-06-03 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Personally, for me, the joy comes from overcoming the struggle. It's *supposed* to be hard...or...better put...challenging. The hobby is always there...like a good friend...something that many of us have enjoyed for over 30 years... For me... it's like a little room of happiness in my mind...whether things are good and I want to make them better...or not so good and I'm trying to get back to normal...day or night, in public or in private...my hobby is there. And it's really less about actually making contacts then it is about improving my ability to make them. The contacts are the evidence that I'm improving my skills...my shack...my antennas. And so this is something I can turn to when stuck in an airplane at the gate...I can start thinking about how I need to cut and install some more radials for that vertical...or...how I'm going to try out that next yagi. For me, if you take all the challenge out of it, all of that goes away. Finally, I like knowing that I'm not 'cut off' if anyone decides to hack or shut off the Internet. I like knowing that if there is a disaster I have the skills and equipment to communicate...to help people...to help myself. I vote NO. CQ100 is NOT ham radio. It's an interesting toy...a simulation that did get a flicker of 'oh boy...all the problems are gone' from me. And an instant after I came to that realization I thought: so is the fun. NO6L 2009-06-03 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >by WX1F on May 24, 2009 >Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!! Uh, you're damn straight I would. It'd friggen' hurt and probably be fatal, regardless the age of the rope. But I digress, if I were interested in chat rooms, IRC is free to use and I can dispense with using a callsign. There's also another possibility, why not join a club that has Internet accessible HF rigs available. You'd also only have to pay dues once a year and it's cheaper than a monthly subscription to a chat room. Or, get a TS-2000, older laptop for an interface and find someone with property and internet service who'll loan you a bit of both. Lastly, for 10 to 20 I can build a perfectly functional 12' 14 degree 75M, 28 degree 40M or 56 degree 20M antenna and work the world, from the balcony of an upstairs apartment. Even for someone who is disabled somehow, there's always somebody else who would jump for joy to help them get on the air just to build or assemble something to make it happen. These things being obvious, the fact that this kind of service even exists is a major head-scratcher. Cheers, de NO6L W7ETA 2009-06-03 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: It sure would be if you plugged your lightning bug into your rig. K4DPK 2009-06-02 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: How was the QSL card from VU filled out? Does ARRL count this sort of "contact" towards DXCC and other awards? If so, it casts suspicion on all awards, doesn't it? If you were to collect lightning bugs for a hobby, would it be ham radio if you wrote your call on the jar? Jeez. Phil C. Sr. K4DPK W8JN 2009-06-02 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: David, Good luck. If he says no, there are many ways around "NO". best 73 paul w8jn WS2L 2009-06-02 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Over the 30 years I have been licensed I have had periods of time as short as a few months to several years I did not even turn a radio on. I don't think that anything could cause me to walk away from the hobby entirely. I am retired so I enjoy getting on the radio and try to encounter conversations that are longer than your call, name, signal report and location. I have even tried digital modes which I enjoy very much. Currently I moved into a new QTH and I have to have a talk with my landlord about putting up some kind of antenna so that I can get back on the air. KW4JX 2009-06-02 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: No it asks me for a subscription K5END 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: quote, "I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio." But the point is, I'm sure you realize, is talking to other Hams at the club doesn't count as logging QSOs or help you win a contest. Does your club open its meeting with the statement, "is the frequency in use?" KW4JX 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I'll have to stop going to the club - talking to hams isn't ham radio. W3HR 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >>It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. << That's exactly what's wrong with the hobby; there's too many people carrying ham tickets who think they can make their own rules and turn it into a free-for-all. It's the CB mentality: "Don't bother me with the facts, I'm modjutating." K5END 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: . Echolink as you described shouldn't be included or discussed as part of this disagreement. If I remote control my radio with logging software or HRD from my living room out to the Hamshack behind the house (or in a QSO party from the front seat of the car to the backseat where the radio is mounted) I'm doing essentially the same thing, and I'm still doing Ham radio. KC8RWR 2009-06-01 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio" Why does EchoLink get brought into this? With EchoLink there is an actual radio generating actual RF on at least one end if not both. It works as Internet to RF or sometimes even RF to Internet to RF. If a non-ham operated on EchoLink the non-ham would actually be going out as RF on an actual ham band. Unless there was a control op at the radio who was supervising the non-ham's use of his/her radio as third party under his/her callsign this would be illegal. CQ100 is computer to computer with nothing but the net in between. The only licensing requirement is the one imposed by the program's authors. No, EchoLink itself is not DX. Although.. with a good opening, the RF link between the EchoLink node and a Ham on the radio (not computer) just might be DX! There is no such RF link in CQ100. So why isn't EchoLink Ham Radio in so many people's minds. DX is not the only thing which defines Ham Radio, in fact, there is quite a bit of local repeater traffic which isn't DX at all yet IS Ham Radio. Maybe it's the technical aspect? EchoLink users get to take advantage of a rig someone else set up already and just use it. Then again, when Icom/Yaseu/etc... built the radio and Comet/Diamond/etc... built the antenna is that Ham Radio? Is twisting a few SO239s and snapping a Power Pole together what makes someone a ham? I guess it's the emergency comm aspect then. Every real Ham must be a card carrying member of SkyWarn with a huge diesel generator, a roof made of solar cells and a bomb shelter to be the envy of John Conner right? Is EchoLink not Ham Radio because the radio and the ham are physically separated? Can I use the remote head with my mobile? If so, how long can the control wire be and still be ham radio? What if I cut the wire and use some non-ham form of communication to bridge the gap? What if that happens to be the internet? At what point is it not ham radio? Personally I get it that cq100 is not Ham Radio. It certainly is a Ham Radio simulator, which makes it Ham Radio related... Actually, I wonder if it might be a good idea for new hams practice there a little before going to HF. I'm certainly glad that pilots train on a simulator before they fly a plane! Not that the consequences of an inexperienced ham operating are nearly the same. Why so many commenters feel the need to relate this back to EchoLink is quite beyond me. Personally I haven't played with EchoLink much though I do use IRLP to communicate with another Ham friend of mine from time to time who has moved out of state. Both of us are much more active on direct RF than IRLP (RF to internet to RF) but we do not (yet) have the equipment to communicate between our current areas of the country by RF directly. I have been toying with the idea of setting up an EchoLink node myself as the local IRLP node isn't always functioning when we go to use it and EchoLink is much less expensive to set up. K8QV 2009-06-01 RE: my vote??? make it a contest !!! "HOMERUN CHAMPION Barry Bonds **CEVS** (chemically enhanced via steroids)" I like the idea of making distinctions when someone is not following the agreed upon rules of the game (cheating). But the Barry Bonds analogy is better suited to comparison with a radio contester running a few too many kilowatts of extra and illegal power. At least Mr. Bonds swung a bat and the cheating contester was actually on the air. Cheating at the game is one thing, but not even playing the game is a different situation in my world. I give up. You who believe that the Internet chat rooms are the same thing as amateur radio, have at it. You may even see me playing at radio on the Internet, I just won't be entering any contests. There just wouldn't be any sense of accomplishment. W8JN 2009-06-01 my vote??? make it a contest !!! Who cares if internet contacts are considered part of contesting. Let's have a category in the contest column. For example, if Trippy wins the contest. It might look something like this. "Trippy 2300 contacts **ICRC**" (internet chatroom contacts). This would be something like MLB. having a special category listing, HOMERUN CHAMPION Barry Bonds **CEVS** (chemically enhanced via steroids) Or the Taiwanese winning the 13 and under WORLD SERIES knothole baseball championship, 13 and under WORLD CHAMPIONS **UA19YOP** (using a 19 year old pitcher). Or the Chinese winning the gold for team championship in womens gymnastics, where the minimum age is 14. WORLD CHAMPIONS **ABA11YO** (aided by an 11 year old). Then how about those French Ice Skaters? We could have a contest category of **TJCFMAIW** (the judges cheated for me and I won category). Let us not forget Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan. Lets have the **HWWUIKHTD** (he was winning until i knocked his tower down category) All you guys who are opposed to chatroom contesting, shame on you! Use your imagination.... the possibilities are endless! As Don King said "ONLY IN AMERICA"!!! KG4ZVA 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: absolutely rediculous! all you "REAL" HAMS who talk about computers not being radio and how computers and radios should not interact while sitting at a COMPUTER! you're ALL doing the SAME thing! you're not sitting at a radio, you are typing on a computer! talk about HYPOCRITES! if you so-called "real" hams ARE "REAL" hams, then i shouldnt ever see any of your call signs posted in these or other comments again. WHY? because you're talking on a computer not on a radio. thats NOT ham radio remember? K8QV 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "However, let's not ever compromise this cq100 transceiver version! Folks, you all don't know this, but I have been working behind the seens to get this program respected by more of the hams on HF. Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed! I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" This is a quote from "Trippy" on qso.net. The agenda is NOT to simply enjoy Internet chats with other hams, but to legitimize the software and medium of the Internet as a recognized ham band. Also, he DOES think it is real radio. "Right now, they think this isn't radio, but it is, oh it is indeed!" "I have sent 15 emails to 15 different owners of contests on HF saying, "can you include cq100 in your list of bands, next year in your contest announcement?" Get it yet? N0JYC 2009-06-01 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Based on some of the rude, crass and inane comments above I'm ashamed to be associated with this hobby today. To the "IT's NOT REALLY RADIO" commenters -- he never said he thought it was. He said he enjoyed it, he liked the ham format, he liked the interaction with other hams. The title to his article says, "How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back." Emphasis is on the word "my." It's HIS hobby, however he defines it and he is free to enjoy it any way that he wants. And, he enthusiastically shared that experience with the ham community. To be ridiculed, lambasted, and subjected to such a cruel word lashing for this expression of excitement and joy makes me feel bad to call some of you fellow hams. This had to be said. WA8MEA 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making 9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at 32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>PLONK!!!!!<<<<<<<< W8JN 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: doug, get out of this conversation... boss bill has spoken!!!!! dont you know he dictates policy on the internet? he tells us how to act, how to behave and most of all he tells us what is acceptable and not acceptable. doug, get with the program, mommy bill has banished you from this site! best 73 paul w8jn ps... my comment about you making 9,000,000 was to demonstrate the lies and ridiculous hyperbole used by the people "pushing your pay per view" website. they are the ones who indicated that you are close to 300,000 subs at 32 per sub...... enjoy your new house p. WD4PRS 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I was innactive for 18 years, because i visualized H.R. as a bunch of red neck licenced CBers, with phoney southern accents. Then I came back when I rediscovered CW. No rednecky comments, no obnoxious language etc. I settled in with an ARC5 TX, and HW16 rcvr. great fun, good guys. Then FCC took away my section of CW, treated my class Gen licence as unimportant and jammed every lower license into Gen.and removed the CW requirements. I think anyone that wants to do this is great, because it frees up some of the CW congestion. I wish more would switch over. I watched a guy at a park all hooked up to a computer, sitting back with a beer. Then bragging about how many contacts he had made. He didn't make 1 contact, the computer did all the work. Where is the skill in that? I personnaly will not answer, or contact a computer if I can help it. W7ETA 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Your post is outta character for this thread Doug. #1 you used facts #2 you did not complain about something #3 you didn't tell other hams how to live their lives Oh! By the way. eHam is NOT HAM RADIO. KG4TKC 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then this is where CQ100 belongs,virtual amateur radio in the virtual world. This is the perfect place for virtual contesters,virtual DXers and virtual ragchewers with virtual HF transceivers. WA8MEA 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Doug....you should have stayed out of this. There are enough sensible hams to fight the good fight. Now the nut jobs in here will be unmerciful to you, your business and your entrepreneurial spirit. (Not that they haven't been doing so already. However, now that you've entered the picture...it will increase ten fold.) According to someone in this discussion, I...along with the author of this article....are suppose to be in business with you. Did you know that? We didn't. But anyway...they MUST be telling the truth so therefore....we want a "cut" of the action! We also want to buy million dollar homes and brand new cars. After this thread, I was tempted to write and submit my own article entitled: "It's Societal, Not Amateur Radio"....referencing the outright libelous, defamatory, threatening, abusive and obnoxious behavior we've seen lately on eHam. (Especially this thread....) Now I'm not so sure. I really have to wonder if it's BOTH societal AND amateur radio.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA VE3EFC 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I know of at least 2 ham radio sites on Second Life. These virtual world radio shacks offer remote control of impressive real-life ham stations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhO86koDlEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rth8FWBJFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJwvXUJXs0 Fly to elevation 752 above Arkala Island in second life. ---------------------- Wow this CQ100 must be really something! They charge 32 a month to 200,000 people. That comes to 76 million a year. I am the owner and developer of CQ100. I guess I better start looking for a bigger house and faster car *hi* I also developed a free program CQPhone several years ago. Just to set the record straight, CQ100 is a FREE PROGRAM. There is no charge for CQ100! There is a small charge (less than a dime a day) for use of the QsoNet server system. The use of this central server architecture allows several advantages not found on the similar free systems. I want to thank Trippy for honestly sharing his opinion of CQ100 with the Eham community. I hope the level of intelligence and common courtesy displayed in this discussion does not represent ham radio in general. Doug McCormack, VE3EFC (aka Bernie Made-off) K5END 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: . Anyone else notice the horse is dead? KG4TKC 2009-05-31 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Perhaps someone will next start an amateur radio group in 'Second Life'. WA8MEA 2009-05-31 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I feel strongly that this is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Especially for our aging ham population, many of whom have become isolated in nursing home, condo and other places that restrict antenna and ham radio in general. This enables the handicap, sick, peoples living in very poor reception areas, people who travel a lot and can't take their gear with them, people who don't have the money for expensive "real radios" to continue to enjoy their chosen hobby, even people on vacation can still enjoy their hobby. After all, the basis for enjoyment of any hobby is what you get out of it. This is just another way of enjoying your hobby. While it is certainly not for everybody, it is nice to be able to make contacts anywhere, anytime, regardless of your situation or having to rely on the propagation. ========================================================== Well said, James. And I've been saying exactly the same thing all along. I want to add yet ANOTHER possibility for the CQ100, Echolink or eQSO options: LIGHTNING! I NEVER run my rigs during thunderstorms. However....we have days during the summer where storms seem to be non-stop, everyday. I plan on downloading CQ100 to my laptop. That way, during thunderstorms, I can sit at my dining room table....use radio waves to connect to my wireless router....and then have some conversations (notice I didn't use QSO!) while the storm rages on. If the storm causes a power failure and my 'puter goes down, I still have my battery operated HT with car charger. Just SO MANY facets to this hobby. It is really remarkable. 73, Bill OE5AKM 2009-05-31 RE: What??? In my opinion the question is not whether CQ100 is Amateur Radio or not. The true question is: Should we open up our hobby to Amateur Radio over IP (ARoIP) or not. I think we should! Amateur Radio + ARoIP = Amateur Telecom 73, Alfred, OE5AKM W5WAA 2009-05-31 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I feel strongly that this is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Especially for our aging ham population, many of whom have become isolated in nursing home, condo and other places that restrict antenna and ham radio in general. This enables the handicap, sick, peoples living in very poor reception areas, people who travel a lot and can't take their gear with them, people who don't have the money for expensive "real radios" to continue to enjoy their chosen hobby, even people on vacation can still enjoy their hobby. After all, the basis for enjoyment of any hobby is what you get out of it. This is just another way of enjoying your hobby. While it is certainly not for everybody, it is nice to be able to make contacts anywhere, anytime, regardless of your situation or having to rely on the propagation. W7ETA 2009-05-30 RE: What??? "But Trippy, people say, this isn’t real hf, you don’t have an antenna up! Oh I know that......" ANyone else wanna proclaim what the author stated at the beginning? Its not ham radio? W8JN 2009-05-30 RE: What??? ed, most of us get it. this is not an issue of real or pretend ham radio. i downloaded two of these slick pretend radios. they are fun and a great way for a person to get the feel for ham radio. the real issue here is bill and tippner trying to shamelessly use a disability to lie to us and push a chatroom service, that, according to the developers, is currently making 9,000,000 per year for tippenee, bill and the boss. it is a sin to use a disability to guilt people into opening their wallets and buying something that is available for free. this is like the old "buy a light bulb scam from a disabled person to support that cause". the problem is that bill and tiffee underestimated this group and thought we would all empty our bank accounts because tilley is a disabled ham who is burned out on contesting. this miracle new program is free for 90 days, then is costs 32 per year and if you act now, they will throw in a set of ginsu knives and an extra large bucket of oxyclean. if you sign up an additional member ron popeill will toss in a pocket fisherman and a ronco cooker..."SET IT AND FORGET IT"..... best 73 paul w8jn W5HTW 2009-05-30 RE: What??? This thread is a joke, right? I had a pretty good day, but another joke is always a way to bring on another smile. I'm sure no one who has posted before me believes this internet stuff is ham radio. But as someone said, sitting home playing Flight Simulator isn't flying a Pipar Apache either. Playing some martial arts game on the computer isn't Karate competition. I think we are moving more and more into a "Pretend World." We simulate things, and pretend we are really doing them. However, the majority of us know the difference. Some do not, obviously, but the majority are able to tell "playing soemthing" from "doing something." "Pretend Ham Radio" is really another simulator. "Real Ham Radio" requires a radio. We all know that, don't we? I'm sure we do. We are just pretending. If that's what coats your doughnuts, have at it. But don't attach any words to it like "real." It's pretending. Ed NH7RO 2009-05-30 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: You said it best, Wendell---this is just another chat room gimmick! Long live real ham radio! What's hamming without QSB, QRN amd QRM anyway? I for one, like and embrace challenges. W8JN 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. bill, i see you are on a first name basis with the amway salesman pushing cq100. are you getting a split also? by the way, do not mistake lots of people downloading trial versions of cq100 for "actual sales" i guess this now pushes your company over the 400,000 mark! wow... on your way to a million customers. soon icom, yaesu, tentec will go the way of the dinosaur because you and your boys have been predicting the death of ham radio for the past 30 years... i think you underestimate the ham community. eveyrone out her in reality land knows that this is a scam the magnitude of the swine flu, sars, bovine spongiform encephalopathy, west nile virus, and Chief Benjamin Yiftermon of Nigeria who wants to send you half his fortune on 187 million if you only send him the paltry sum of 322. best 73 paul w8jn: always looking out for my fellow hams wallet W8JN 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. hey bill, a crook is a crook whether it's richard nixon crook or disabled ham crook. i'll bet you give money to street people with signs that say "viet nam vet, homeless and hungry" did it get past you that the 35 year old "homeless viet nam vet" was probably 4 or 5 years old when the usa was pulling out of viet nam. i'll bet you were out there collecting money for julia butterfly and luna! a spade is a spade and a con-man is a con-man. no special treament for a disabled con-man, not even a "handicapped con-man" parking place. best 73 paul w8jn ps... a spike in cq100 use? yes... 32 per month when the 90 free trial is up??? not on your life. i even signed up for cq100. at the end of 90 days its gone forever......yer pal paul the honest straight talking ham WX1F 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. Hamsphere originator is allowing non-hams to use the software. Oh boy!! Now the local wives garden club has their own VOIP !! KG4TKC 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. I also should have pointed out that the comment on the other site had NOTHING to do with WD8OEP. KG4TKC 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. Just to show that it is not just the 'mean old ehamers' that have no taste for 'Virtual Ham Radio' being on equal footing with the real deal,I will leave this comment that was posted on another site in another discussion on cq100. "Cq100 is to ham radio what a blow-up doll is to love" I was not going to post this but I have since changed my mind. WA8MEA 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. Doug at CQ100 wasn't quite sure why he's had a terrific increase in sales over the past week to ten days. I told him he can probably attribute it to a backlash due to some of the negative, mean, cruel, libelous, defamatory, hateful, vulgar and asinine comments made towards Tippy and CQ100 in relation to an article posted on eHam. Glad to see the entrepreneurial spirit alive and well in North America and among the disabled. Makes me feel good inside.... 73, Bill - WA8MEA K5END 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. . "like Bernie Maddoff" This thread keeps getting better. I had to laugh so hard I almost choked on the doughnut that was otherwise killing me much more slowly. I keep laughing because every time I hear the name I am reminded he "made off" with all the money. KG4TKC 2009-05-30 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: There is a free IRC chat program for Linux called Xchat that allows you to chat for free at IRC. There is a free Xchat plugin called CWirc that allows you to use cw at the #cw chat channel at Freenode. Yes Folks,I said FREE,as in FREEDOM of SPEECH and FREE BEER! Folks,I think I will use my FREE IRC programs along with my FREE Debian Linux operating system to work the ARRL November Sweepstakes. Thats right,I am going to try to win the ARRL November Sweepstakes by making all my contacts on the IRC Freenode #cw chatchannel. Why go to those old busy noise filled cw sub-bands when I can make lots of points on those whisper quite 1000 channels CWirc has within the #cw channel! Yes folks,I am going to finally win that ol contest that has eluded so many for so long,,:) Come to think of it,I just listened to the 18wpm code bulletin on the 'Code Practice on the Web' page at the ARRL website. I better send off for my QSL card from W1AW right now,:) See you folks real soon playing cw at the IRC! W8JN 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. Gil, Echolink is free.... are you going to pay for cq100, so that you can say "you are carrying on the tradition of ham radio"? Wow There really is a "fool born every minute"..... cq, cq, cq from "take my wallet and money please" KW4JX 2009-05-30 RE: It's just not ham radio. W8MEA Bill and others - I want to apologize because I think I have gone too far in poking fun at CQ100, but let me say that those of you who know me will recall that I have poked fun equally at other aspects of 'RF Ham Radio' - there I go again - and also at myself. My principal work has been with people with disabilities for many years in England and the USA and my main research interest is in adaptive hardware and software, which I think ARRL and RSGB should prioritize for aging radio hams like me. I was a Senior Research Fellow designing and fabricating cochlear ear implant signal processors. Anyway many apologies Bill you can clout me on the head if you like - I deserve it. I shall certainly be using Echolink and CQ100 in the future and will be proud to continue the folklore of ham radio and its history when using those media. W8JN 2009-05-29 RE: It's just not ham radio. Hey Bill WA8MEA , Nothing worse than a person with a disability, using it as a way to con people out of their$$$$. You should have recognized Tipplezz scam. Your anger should be aimed at Tippezz for giving hams with disabilities a bad rap! His premise is lies based on "pitty me" and more bogus claims..... Do the numbers... they claim 300,000 users. at 32 per year, now lets see..... tipper and his pals split$$9 million per year... wow... tippknee sure is doing a public service for hams of the world! Does any of this bogus nonsense sound right to you? Are we to feel his pain as a burned out old disabled contester who got his flame back and wanted to share his good fortune with us??? Don't tell me about the good fortune, just send me a chunk of the$9 mill that tippner is splitting with his bff's ! Bill... do the numbers!!! Plenty of free programs out there better than this one and tillie is recommending the pay service? Who would have guessed. I think all of these programs are pretty slick...... I downloaded Hamsphere and am getting a kick out of it.
AMERICA, LAND of EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Where white men, black men abled, disabled, christian, muslim, immigrants, native born can all rise unimpeded to that lofty goal of, con man, sleeze bag, misanthrope, miscreant and then, like Bernie Maddoff, present themselves as pillars of the community, fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyy.
73 Paul w8jn
W7ETA 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
"Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio..."

NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio.

No! I'm RIGHT! Its not radio.

Your WRONG! Its not radio, and he shouldn't have FUN using it.

NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not RADIO! And he wants the ARRL and contest sponsors to accept it as radio.

Your WRONG! Its not Radio! CW was only used to haze Novice ops.

NO! I'm RIGHT! Its not Radio! The author shouldn't do want I don't like him to do.

WRONG! Its not radio! ITU regulations specified morse code testing.

NO! NO! NO! Its not radio! AND the software he uses is the WRONG software to use for NOT RADIO!

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Its NOT RADIO! NOT RADIO! AND, even after you pry my key or mic from my dead hands, I won't use it.

Jeeze! Can't you get it straight! ITs NOT RADIO! AND REAL hams only use BUGS!

NO! NO! NO! Its NOT RADIO! AND I won't learn morse code!

NO WAY! Its NOT RADIO! AND, REAL HAMS solder PL 259s.

HELL NO! Its not RADIO! NO WAY! NO HOW!

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K9FON 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
This CQ 100 things is not really ham radio much like cyber sex isnt really sex. Makes me glad I have a hot wife!!! Plus she' a HAM!!!!
K5END 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
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I didn't realize the author was disabled or handicapped.

I admire his spirit and ambition, but I don't agree with the content of the article.
WA8MEA 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
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Your right. I re-placed my anger by re-upping with CQ100 for another year.

;-)

73, Bill
K8QV 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
"Is this another troll article?
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No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams??

I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man.

I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now...."

The premise of the "article" is so asinine (that the Internet is just another ham band and a valid way to contest and win radio awards) that without further investigation it could appear to be just another troll rather than a serious assertion. CQ100 is simply a way for hams to talk to each other without using ham radio to do it. A fine alternative for those who can no longer operate a radio station for whatever reason.

I treat the handicapped the same as I do anyone else. They don't get a pass just because of the handicap.

No one is attacking the author because he is blind, but because he is dead wrong.

WA8MEA 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Is this another troll article?
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No! It was first published in the Handi-Ham weekly newsletter. Tippy is a proud member of Handi-Hams and does a lot for the organization. Maybe he was encouraged to pass the news around for other disabled/nursing home bound hams??

I remember beating the living snot out of SEVERAL students who were poking fun and hitting a handicapped kid on our school playground one day. After recess, the teacher called me out in the hall where I thought I was going to get into trouble. Instead....she said she was proud of me and that there are just certain circumstances where it's OK to fight for your fellow man.

I'm feeling that same school yard anger once again....right now....

Bill - WA8MEA
Proud Handi-Ham member
NZ4O 2009-05-29
RE: It's just not ham radio.
My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is.

KB6YH now that made me laugh!!! A good one.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
Lakeland, FL, USA
NZ4O 2009-05-29
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Is this another troll article? How about calling it amateur computering?!

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
Lakeland, FL, USA
KW4JX 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Hello OM you are 59 again you don't change much. For the contest I have fitted a pink faceplate to my virtual transceiver hope you like it. The XYL has left me now but I have a virtual elmer now it is an attractive avatar.
K8QV 2009-05-29
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"As a contester, I can contest all I want"

You really need a reality check. You're not really in the contest at all, you're just pretending to be. You can't be in a bicycle race if you're flying a plane. It's a frigging BICYCLE RACE. Get on a bicycle, it's the ONLY way you can participate.

Of course radio contests and awards will never recognize the Internet as just another ham band, but it's disheartening to see so many people who can't see the distinction.
KG4TKC 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
K5END-

Now cut that out!
:>))))))))))))
KW4JX 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
and the XYL leaving
KW4JX 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
If you use remote viewing on CQ100 you can see the operator
K5END 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
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I worked a station on the planet Xantar today, and, NO, I did not CQ000.

Nope.

I used transcendental meditation (and the help of some mushroom tea.)

It counts as a real QSO in Amateur radio because I used both my call sign and whatever brain waves were still working after drinking the tea...or was it electric Kool-Aid? <having trouble remembering>
K5END 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
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yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The Soapbox Derby has more in common with the Indy 500 than Internet QSOs have in common with Amateur radio.

Use of terms like Luddites and xenophobia: hip crowd!
KG4TKC 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
K8QV-

BINGO!!!!

I see you have done a some research as well! Interesting what one can find when you delve a little deeper into this CQ100 virtual world and the author of this piece,the creator of the software,and its fans and promoters.
K8QV 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer."

Still missing the point. There is a huge difference.

The problem is not that some people like computers and Internet while some Luddites don't. The issue is that the OP is attempting to get contests and awards to recognize Internet communication on equal footing with radio propagation. That is the agenda, and you can find it elsewhere apart from this thread. Why is this so hard to grasp? Is Working All States the same accomplishment if done in a chat room as opposed to putting up an antenna and using the ionosphere to propagate radio waves?
KW4JX 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Hello old man you are 5 and 9 today as usual like everybody else. The bands are the same as usual. My signal is better than yours because if you look on eHam Spotlight on the eHam homepage today you will see my station is completely dominated by a 64 inch monitor and to my credit there is not a single piece of that old RF junk in sight. You remember that I used to have a 60 foot tower which the neighbors didn't like? Well now to protect myself from elecromagnetic pulses I now have a 60 foot hole. I did feel a tremor from a North Korean station but no matter I ignored it like the government.
I am now an Extra Extra class licensee on CR100 so again I am better than you. All hams are not equal.
I must close now because I can feel another attack of xenophobia coming on old boy. If you like I could text or sext you and as I see we are the same gender perhaps you would like to marry me and share our resources we could go for a bigger monitor. 88.
K5END 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

Yeah, from trippy to psychedelic.
K1CJS 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Well then, if you're not happy with using the internet, all those people who do just that to remotely control a ham station aren't using radio either, they're using an internet connection. There is no difference--they don't have their hands on a real ham radio, but on their computer.

If you want to separate ham radio and the internet, do it entirely--or not at all.
W0CBF 2009-05-29
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
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cool, thanks.

I've been reading this topic in as much detail as I can find...I dug out the old textbooks a couple of months ago...This topic would make a good article, especially with the Solar activity on the increase. It can be written qualitatively.

It's pretty fascinating stuff, really. I came across a term I'd missed along the way: Snell's window--known well by all trout, bass and SCUBA divers. Would make a good conceptual example of refraction coolness.
N3OX 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency.""

You might want to look at the X and O dispersion relations here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waves_in_plasmas

and maybe this:

http://www.ukssdc.ac.uk/ionosondes/ionogram_interpretation.html

and this this:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html

which says about the critical frequencies as calculated from the time of flight of a HF pulse:

"the pulse must travel a finite distance at effectively zero speed. The frequencies at which this occurs are called the critical frequencies. "

The "effectively zero speed" comes near \omega = \omega_{plasma}, for the O mode.

So it seems like the critical frequency for the O mode and the *maximum* plasma frequency encountered in the layer have the same value. For the X mode, the critical frequency will be a different from the max. plasma frequency.

Here's some online EM-waves-through-plasma lectures that I'm reading through a bit at the moment that goes all the way through how you might calculate the refraction of an radio pulse in the ionosphere:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node41.html

I actually know very little about this given my interest in amateur radio and the fact I technically work in magnetohydrodynamics but I assure you that electromagnetic wave propagation in Sodium is a non-issue and it's a pretty simple radio mirror :-)

73
Dan
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
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"have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion."

Well, from where I sit "this discussion" doesn't have much to do with Amateur radio.
N2EY 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?"

1) The ITU-R treaty required it. At first it was required for all hams, then only for amateurs whose operating privileges were below a certain frequency. That frequency went from 1000 MHz to 146 MHz to 30 MHz over time. Now it's 0 MHz

2) The purpose of license testing for any license is to insure that the licensee has the basic knowledge and skills to do what that license allows - even if the licensee never intends to do certain things. Since radio amateurs have always used Morse Code extensively, and still do, for a long time it was considered to be an important part of the basic knowledge required for a license.

3) There was never a concerted effort to remove the requirement. Look at the comments to the various RMs and NPRMs, and you'll see that the majority of those who bothered to submit an opinion supported the requirement. But the FCC finally overruled them and went with the minority opinion.

All ancient history now, at least in the USA.

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By definition, a "hazing ritual" is something required for entry into a group which has nothing to do with the activities of the group. Since Morse Code has always been a big part of Amateur Radio, a test for it cannot reasonably be considered a "hazing ritual".

73 de Jim, N2EY
W3TTT 2009-05-28
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"...victor united 3 victor quebec united..."

You probably heard:
"Wicktor oonited tree wictor kipec oonited"

India is where developers are "devil-opers" and a query is a "curry".
KASSY 2009-05-28
What???
Without SWR, without the need to understand how to build an antenna to survive the weather, without the risk of equipment failures - it's not ham radio. Part and parcel of ham radio is all about understanding enough about the gear and antennas to overcome those problems to become a "trained and skilled practitioner of the radio art".

If all you do is use a computer and the internet, then you're as fragile and weak as the teenagers texting on their cell phones.

- k
KC8VWM 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Religion and code requirement hazing rituals have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

In addition this has nothing to do with hams embracing or resisting such technology. It has to do with defining what amateur "radio" is, and what it isn't.

...I did say amateur "radio" and not amateur computer hobby didn't I?

I have nothing against people who enjoy using computers as a hobby.

Similarly, I have nothing against people who enjoy using flight simulators.

..or virtual fishing tournaments or playing virtual golf for that matter...
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Oh, c'mon Dan.

Some of the same physics that keeps that light inside the optical fiber for all those miles (km) also applies to the dielectric property of the ionosphere and HF refraction, critical angle and internal reflection for frequencies *above* the plasma frequency.

True in many ways, but you know I'm kidding.

By the way I hope you see this because I have a sincere question that has bugged me ever since I got licensed.

What is the relationship between the so-called "critical frequency" in radio (not asking about maximum useful frequency) and the "plasma frequency" for low density ionized gases. Are they the same? I have not seen a quantitative definition for "critical frequency."
N3OX 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?"

There seemed to be and still seems to be a pretty substantial subset of ham radio ops who thought of it as a hazing ritual and seemed to support it for that reason.

I'm not one of those. I was fine with the Morse requirement being dropped.

Apparently, though, I end up in a very similar category of "real ham radio is thing X" zealotry because I would maintain that radio-free amateur radio communications simulators aren't the same thing as ham radio, and spanning 9000 miles using 8600 miles of fiber optics and 400 miles of radio isn't quite as pileup-worthy as spanning the 9000 miles with ionospheric communications.

I don't think that's the same thing.

If saying that real ham radio is mostly about the *radio* portion makes me a zealot, though, then I have to accept that mantle.

73
Brother Dan, RFPF, OGP*

*Radio Frequency Poynting Fluxor, Order of the Great Propagator
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
..to clarify, I cannot know whether someone is discontent or how they view things.

I should emphasize it "seems" that way to me, based on observable behavior.
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long?"

I did not say it was a hazing ritual.

I said the malcontents viewed it as a hazing ritual.

The difference is not subtle, but perhaps I could have worded it with better elucidation.

To answer the other part of the question, that was before my time, and I don't see much value in speculating about things that no longer matter.
K5END 2009-05-28
RE: hamsphere
W8JN,

I loved that post!

I can see the chatroom members joining virtual hands in a circle and saying the "Ham-enity prayer:"

"grant me the serenity to realized the internet is not Amateur radio,
and the wisdom to know the difference."
W8JN 2009-05-28
hamsphere
since the original post from trippeley is nothing more than an infomercial, i ventured over to hamsphere. it duplicated just about all of the conditions you will experience on the bands, as a matter of fact, if the disclaimer didnt clearly state that the entire experience is computer generated you would think you were on the air. now here is the BEST part of hamsphere as compared to tipplers blatent plug for his "$32 per year product" is that hamsphere is free. unlike the chatroom atmosphere of tippies product, hamsphere sounds real! neither one is ham radio, however hamsphere is fun, free and entertaining. give it a try. no harm, no foul... is tippie burned out on contesting? i recommend he call 1 800 contest. they have a big support group for recovering addicts. their 12 step program is outstanding. they put you right back in the saddle (in a chatroom) and let you practice until you get your nerve back and get it back in your blood. pray for tippie! maybe he will get a shot on the Oprah show to prove that we can all recover and get back to that nasty contesting... always looking out for your wallet! 73 paul w8jn KB1SF 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Larry, K5END wrote: "The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy." ------------------------- So, then for what OTHER operational purpose (other than as a "hazing ritual") was that requirement retained for so long? Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF K5END 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "…and I rest my case. " Good. Let it rest in peace. 73 K5END 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: . . Regarding the mention of discontent from some OM on dropping the code requirement, none of the hardcore CW Amateurs I know seem to care one way or the other about that licensing requirement, or lack of it. They do CW because they enjoy it. The gripes about dropping the code requirement APPEAR to be coming from some who saw learning Morse code as an obstacle, a fraternity hazing ritual or a boot camp paradigm that they had to endure in order to become licensed. Clearly, some of the discussion threads exhibit ignorance of fundamental radio technology or even a junior high school level of understanding of radio physics among the licensee population. The Morse code requirement never did ensure that licensees would be technically savvy. KB1SF 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Dan (N3OX) wrote: "CQ100 is not a digital mode. It's an internet communications link with an interface that works like tuning around the ham bands. 73 Dan ---------------------------- All true. But, SO WHAT? Your response begs the obvious question as to why you and many others posting here are seemingly STILL so hard over on CQ100's tie-in with Amateur Radio and that some people are now choosing to (gasp!) label it as a part of the hobby. And why are so many folks STILL in such a tizzy that someone happens to get pleasure out of using it? Obviously, to you and others, such talk IS blasphemous. …and I rest my case. Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF N3OX 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. " KB1SF, CQ100 is not a digital mode. It's an internet communications link with an interface that works like tuning around the ham bands. 73 Dan K5END 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Morse code chat rooms are no more Amateur Radio than dynamite is sport fishing tackle. It's not a dogmatic religion. It's a matter of physics. Either it's licensed use of electromagnetic radiation within the Amateur bands for telecommunications, or it's not. It's binary, and routable protocols for a virtual QSO over the www = 0. K8QV 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: So many are missing the point. The author is seriously trying to persuade contest organizers to accept CQ100 as another ham band. He thinks it IS just another ham band. Is it a cool technology that can be fun to use? Can you talk to other hams with it? Sure, but do you want all the awards and contests to go to people using Internet rather than radio? Would it be fair for people using the skills of radio communication and vagaries of the ionosphere to compete on even footing with an Internet chat room? That is the agenda. See the propaganda at qsl.net. It's like having a fishing contest where some people use rods and reels and others just buy some fish at the market and have it weighed in. "Real" fishing involves catching fish, not buying the ones already caught - or should the first guy to the fish market win the trophy? Hams - We Don't Need No Stinkin' Radios! How anyone can support the idiocy is beyond me. KB1SF 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Unfortunately, for many people, Ham Radio has now become their "religion". And those who are interested in only the analog modes of communication (or are proficient in Morse and want to retain it indefinitely as a hard and fast entrance requirement in order to gain access to the "kingdom") constitute an evangelical fundamentalist denomination WITHIN that religion. For, very much like their fundamentalist brethren in a religious context, such persons passionately believe that the only way to be "saved" as a Ham Operator is to go "back to the Bible" and become operationally proficient (a.k.a. "come forward") and fully embrace those ancient communications modes (AM, SSB and Morse) that formed the "old time religion" of Ham Radio. According to such folk, unless and until you do, you can NEVER enter into the "kingdom" and become a "real Ham". For, in their narrow world, ALL of those other, more modern modes that people might want to use are simply perversions (some would say "sins") that have since crept into the hobby and "polluted" it. What’s more, according to the fundamentalists, the people who promulgate these new ways of communicating need to now be either "converted" back to a fundamentalist way of thinking or else be shunned (or even "excommunicated"!) from our ranks so as to insure that the "liturgy" of Ham Radio (and the congregations who assemble within it) will remain absolutely and forever "pure". Clearly, the FCC's decision to drop all forms of Morse testing a few years back was absolute blasphemy to the fundamentalists among us. Maybe this is why so many in our ranks who STILL haven't accepted the fact that Morse testing is history firmly believe that it is their bounden duty to "go into all the world" to "save" others from the temptations (the "sins" if you will) of enjoying other, MORE modern modes of communication that are now associated with our hobby. This may also be why such persons now passionately persist in trying to "resurrect" the Morse exams in forums like these and then display nothing but contempt for the newer digital modes (not to mention the people who might want to use and enjoy them). Unfortunately, hobbies, like religion, tend to be singularly, passionate affairs. All too often, BOTH of these activities attract horrifically narrow thinking zealots who view their own particular religious denomination (or their own particular interests or beliefs in the hobby) as the ONLY way to do things. The sad result is often a demonstrated intolerance towards others who may not hold the EXACT same, often horrifically narrow, "right/wrong - good/bad" fundamentalist viewpoints and interests as they do. All of which makes such dogmatists about as popular as ants at a picnic. They are the so-called ""witnesses" and "evangelists" who all too frequently show up on your doorstep (or in forums like these) trying to "convert" you (and the rest of the world) to their particularly intolerant and narrow beliefs. Unfortunately, just like the "Morse-testing-forever" crowd, even after you slam the door in their faces they KEEP showing up in ever more frantic attempts to prothelasize to you about the glories of "real radio" and to shame you into "coming forward" to think about things in their own, horrifically narrow way. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF N3OX 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? I would say, like someone else did, that it's actually a totally different and distinct hobby to use 100% internet connection to talk around the world, contest, and "DX." As such, I'd prefer not to see very many articles on the subject of fully internet-based communications by people who also happen to be hams, even if that communication has the same format as ham QSOs. N3OX 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "I am not buying the idea it's intended for people who claim they can't have antennas at their QTH etc. Basically, if you can own something as simple as a fishing rod, then you can certainly have an antenna as far as I am concerned. There's always one way or another to put up an antenna in any situation. " It's for people who like *talking to other hams* more than they like using the HF radio waves to communicate. And that's OK for some people, and apparently quite popular. There are some people who are only very peripherally interested in the radio part of the radio hobby. I heard VK4FEDS on 40m SSB last night running a pileup of NA and EU stations using N8AD's remote base in Pennsylvania. Sometimes he would say "using a remote base in PA" and less frequently he would ID that it was N8AD's remote base, but sometimes he'd just say his callsign. So there he was, a 59+10dB "VK4" station on a 40m band (that was probably actually open to Australia) using the internet to make most of the miles. Honestly, I'd much prefer that people who like that sort of "DXing" move to CQ100 and free up the 40m spectrum for actual DX stations. I suspect the sunspots are going to take the shine off of internet DXing though. 10m and 15m at the peak is almost as easy as using the internet. You don't have to build much of a station. A low dipole with low power gets you all the way around the world. Noise is low, signals are high. Skip tends to be long, so local QRM is nil. To be honest, throwing a random wire out a low window and using 5 watts at the sunspot minimum is NOT likely to result in high signal-to-noise ragchew QSO's, so people despair. And people make the mistake that commercial apartment antenna and restricted antenna manufacturers actually are, on average in the business of supplying you with an effective antenna. You can try all the cheaper tier of "apartment antennas" in the world and still have never installed a really good antenna, especially if you are talking about 40m and down. Those problems dissolve when 10m and 15m are rolling in. Really small antennas are so much more effective, because they're actually a reasonable length and height when measured in wavelengths. We'll see how many people are taking the time to write eHam articles about "QRM-free internet ham bands" open "worldwide" when 10m and 15m come back. It's a lot of work to install an effective station to provide good signal-to-noise SSB DX ragchews right now. When it's almost no work at all, I wonder if there will be less appeal :-) 73 Dan G0RIF 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I'll keep it short & simple. If there's no radio, no antenna and no RF then it's not, repeat NOT, amateur radio. Regards, Dean - G0RIF K1CJS 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: NI0C replied to my post: You're being illogical here. Nobody said that CQ100 (or reading QST or yapping on eHam) doesn't have anything to do with ham radio. It ought to be obvious to anyone who passed a ham license exam that internet simulations of ham radio are not ham radio, period. I don't think it's illogical. With the restrictions and regulations in place these days, some hams just can't put up the antennas needed for some communications. Why not take advantage of the internet to do it. After all, some hams are running thier stations remotely through the internet. Sure, it isn't 'radio', but it is in the same format, you still need the license, and it gives people who otherwise couldn't participate in such communications a means to participate. What is wrong with that? KW4JX 2009-05-28 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: If you want to kill CQ100 or anything why not introduce incentive licensing to it - that should fix it. Buffalo Gil W6IP 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Nice Ad for the website. It doesn't take getting a ham license to use the internet. This is obviously a chat room -- even tho it's not called that. How can you get credit for contacting countries when you are only making a phone call? When I no longer want to use ham radio, I can sit down and play with my computer. When my mind goes blank and I can't remember anything about electronics, radio, antennas, and the good times had -- maybe I'll turn to my computer and play games -- but, not yet... KC8VWM 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I suppose I could understand using this alternative "chat service" if it were 1972 and you were bedridden in a nursing home and you couldn't setup 300 lbs of boatachor radio equipment there. However, in 2009 there's absolutely no reason "any person" - "anywhere" can't buy an FT817 and throw a wire outside the window. Heck, an FT 817 is smaller to setup and far less complicated to drag around and setup than most laptop computers. A person can take a portable station outside on a picnic table and be setup in under a minute. I have a laptop computer that takes at least 2 minutes before it boots up in comparison. :) I guess I am somehow not grasping or understanding this virtual QSO stuff. I am not buying the idea it's intended for people who claim they can't have antennas at their QTH etc. Basically, if you can own something as simple as a fishing rod, then you can certainly have an antenna as far as I am concerned. There's always one way or another to put up an antenna in any situation. If you are limited to communicating inside some virtual QSO internet network, then I suppose you are going to have a real tough time reaching the rest of us who are living out here in the real world who are operating on the real amateur radio bands. I mean, do whatever floats your boat but don't start calling whatever it is your doing with a LAN connected to a computer "amateur radio." Clearly it isn't amateur radio any differently than the notion of using a flight simulator on a computer and somehow suggesting this is "flying." My Best. 73 de Charles - KC8VWM W0LTL 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: This is not radio, it is yet another version of internet. W0LTL N3OX 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: The day I can't use actual radio waves and equipment and antennas I've installed to make my DX contacts is the day I decide to walk away. When I lived in an apartment, I strung up some magnet wire and could work all kinds of DX with 20 to 100W output, even on the downslope of the cycle. Usually it was Europe or South America or Africa from my W3 QTH, but sometimes I'd pick up something like Malaysia on 17m. I've had better antennas in the really low-spots years, and focused on 160m, but still made quite a few contacts on 30m and 20m CW, even with low power, and tonight I'm hearing dozens of UA9 stations on 20m, and yes, even a VU2. To each his own, of course, but ham radio without the radio? Not for me. I'd rather listen to an absolutely empty 40m CW subband in the dead of winter when it's got that "far off" sound of Pacific thunderstorms; yeah, it's just plain static smacking of the hope of some DX, but that's why I'm here. The CQ100 system is clever, and as ham chatrooms go, it's a cool idea. But you'll never find me there... I've got other pastimes to retreat to if wiggling electrons in distant antennas with RF winging more or less directly out from my station location ever becomes impossible (I will, of course, go for the internet remote base that I build myself before I quit if I find myself stuck in a hopeless apartment). 73 Dan W7ETA 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components "Where did I do this wonderful qso at? On something that many hams say is not radio......" SO far, he was right--many hams say it ain't radio. BUT, So what? If you don't like what he did, or does, donna do it. I didn't see anything in his article asking for anyone's approval for how he is having FUN. I didn't see anything in his article preaching that anyone should turn their rigs OFF and go on the internet. Come to think of it, don't remember him asking if anyone approved of the software either. But take heart "Oughta Boys". I heard a rumor that he uses proper phonetics! AND, he doesn't DX using nets! AND, just think of it. If you turn your rig on, and hear CQ contest, and you are too dumb, or too stubborn to got to a new band, you can always turn your computer on to get away from the evil hams that take over your rag-chew bands. Best from hot Tucson Bob AB0WR 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Now I've heard it all. Internet messaging being called ham radio because amateur callsigns are used as the identifying "handle". Will wonders never cease? If those "handles" were Fist numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If those "handles" were social security numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If those "handles" were drivers license numbers would it still be considered to be ham radio? If the answer to any of these questions is *NO, it wouldn't be ham radio* then why is it ham radio when callsigns are used for the handle? If the answer to all of the questions is *YES* then is *all* IM on the internet ham radio? tim ab0wr K3LUE 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Just received this in the contesting bulletin board email: In the ARRL Contest Update for May 27, N0AX ends his "Pushing the Envelope" section with the words "Welcome to the second century of radio!" where, presumably, it will be the norm for us to be actively using the internet while contesting. He says, "I don't think we're at the threshold of radio-less radiosport by any means, but we do have to keep the deeper principles of radio contesting firmly in our sights." We have already passed the threshold of radio-less radiosport. There are plans for a CQ100 contest in January 2010, which will be 100% internet-based. Now that will level the playing field - no antennas, no QSB, reliable propagation independent of distance, everyone running the same power. It will be what we all want, a test of operating ability - pure and simple. www.qsonet.com/programs.html. There will be another contest that will combine amateur band RF and CQ100. If you can't get that mult on 20m, no problem - get it on CQ100 20m. Regarding the deeper principles of radio contesting, I am of the view that there are but two of them - use amateur-band RF throughout the signal path between the operators concerned, and don't use other communications systems to arrange, facilitate or complete contest QSOs. If our shared interest, amateur radio contesting, becomes (or already is) something else, then I suggest it needs a new name to reflect the changes. 73, Paul EI5DI K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Hey, I don't know about you guys, but I'm home now from work at QTH and I've got a brand new Begali that's about to hit 80* meters ...after supper. First things first! I think there is a TSN in an hour or so that is slow enough for Lids like me still around 15 wpm on code. Heck, I'd rather do 5 WPM on 80 meters with an upside down "V" I made from plain wire and installed in a pine tree with a slingshot than 60 WPM on the internet. Different strokes, to each his own, whatever. That's what trips my trigger. (or 40 if 80 is too noisy from the regional thunderstorms.) NI0C 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: K1CJS wrote: "so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't." You're being illogical here. Nobody said that CQ100 (or reading QST or yapping on eHam) doesn't have anything to do with ham radio. It ought to be obvious to anyone who passed a ham license exam that internet simulations of ham radio are not ham radio, period. K1CJS 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I've been away from here for a while, hoping things would change, and now that I came back I find things are NOT the same--they're worse! Trippy--you need a ham license to participate on the 'ham radio' internet site, so it does have to do with ham radio. Don't pay any attention to the people (I wanted to use a different, less complementary term here) who say it isn't. If you enjoy it and the fellow on the other end enjoys it, the heck with naysayers here. Enjoy yourself and stay away from e-ham until they clean up this site--that is the only way to really enjoy ham radio. W8JN 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: This article has to be a joke... he hates contesters and he was one? He is getting it back in his blood? Now here is the biggest lie...300,000 users? hawgwash, bullsh.... nonsense. The lies are non stop in this article. We are in la la land... fairytale.... 73 paul w8jn cq cq cq 802.11.... NI0C 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: K5END wrote: "No offense, but if that fits your definition of Amateur radio, you have my deepest sympathy." And mine as well. 73, Chuck NI0C KG4TKC 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: K5END- There is something about that shaking hand and the first cw contact. When I told my cousin,a long-time ham I had worked my first cw contact,but something was wrong,that my hand shook the whole time and shook for a few minutes afterward he had a good laugh. Said his did too years ago and he still had the QSL card from that hand shaking QSO,,:) He asked me if I knew what that meant,and I said 'yeah,it makes me nervous',and he said 'no,it means you are hooked',,:) He was right about me,and sounds like he was correct about you,,:) K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "but alas, I'm eating..." no problem...after I eat the same, which happens quite OFTEN, I always follow it with a coconut creme banana strawberry apple cinnamon nutmeg snickerdoodle bundt cake cobbler pie. It works for me. hihi. K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: TKC, I know you were quoting. The first weekend I had the guts to set a goal, sink or swim, to do my first CW QSO it was my luck to be some kinda world wide all humanity all mode everyone and his dog and all her puppies contest. So I took two whips and some wire to make an "emergency" 17 m dipole and set it at around 15 feet above ground. Had no problem right off the bat for my first CW QSO. It was from Houston to Oxnard, no problem except for my shaking hand---sort of a "CW stage fright" I guess...so then I was hooked. And I hated contests, until I tried one. Contesting is a lot of fun. It's like "dodgeball" except it doesn't hurt, haha. KC2RGU 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: so did I, but alas, I'm eating the crow. :) K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Darn, and I thought we had the start of a good flame argument going <g> Just kidding!!! Have a good day. 73 W3HR 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >>CQ CQ CQ DE 192.168.1.254 K << HAAAAHAHAHAAAaaaa!! ROFL! Now THAT'S the best reply of them all. :D KC2RGU 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Sorry. You're right in that context. KG4TKC 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. ---------------------------------------- Thanks K5END,been there,done that,,:) I love 30 meters! I was just quoting W5GNB,I have no problem with contests. I enjoy hearing a few contests and handing out points on a Saturday afternoon,along with working some of the special event stations. Gives me a chance to check out propagation,check how the antenna is doing in certain directions,and just generally play radio,,:) Playing radio is where it is at for me,from building,repairing,using hollow state,solid state,plugging the transceiver into a sound card and watching digital,using a set of paddles and a Hallicrafters TO keyer,to just plugging a SpeedX straight key into the back of the TS-530 and calling CQ! Ham Radio in the world of virtual reality holds no interest for me,,:) K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Not in his case. He said he was using the "wireless" 2.4 GHz to his ISP, the first 6 channels of which happen to be shared in the Amateur band to get to a website to do "virtual CW." That ain't Ham. If it were, anyone using that web-site-Morse-code-chat-room could claim to be using the Ham bands, licensed or not. No offense, but if that fits your definition of Amateur radio, you have my deepest sympathy. KC2RGU 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Fresher than an hour ago? Did the band plan change in the last hour? That part of the 2.4 GHz band is SHARED. You don't need an Amateur license to use it. " Many of our bands are shared. Is the 70cm band not Amateur Radio either? How about 30 meter or 60 meter? While the 2.4Ghz band may be shared with unlicensed services you will need an Amateur license to take advantage of many benefits the band has to offer. This by definition makes it Amateur Radio. K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: . . "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters ...have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" Pssst. Two words: WARC Bands. KG4TKC 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks" W5GNB- I believe the author clearly stated that he was an avid contester,that he now had his contesting fever again,that he was subscribing to WA7BN's contest calendar,and that if you were a contester he hoped to work you real soon. Where did you see where he said that the contesters had all but ruined ham radio? I must have missed it. K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "I think you need to take a fresh look at what frequencies and bands are allocated to us." Fresher than an hour ago? Did the band plan change in the last hour? That part of the 2.4 GHz band is SHARED. You don't need an Amateur license to use it. KC2RGU 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: k5end says: That is the 802.11 spectrum, in use in more homes than not for "wireless routers." You, or anyone who has a credit card and a nearby Best Buy, can do the same thing "without a license." Therefore by definition it is not Amateur Radio. ----------------------------------------------- I think you need to take a fresh look at what frequencies and bands are allocated to us. KPP0478 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: well if this fellow enjoys it let him. as far as echolink goes you are using a repeater to talk with other hams. i know because every night i go to a local net and talk through their repeater and with them either they are connected through ecolink or they are mobile. those who think echolink is not really radio better check it out again K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!!" Ya think? That is the 802.11 spectrum, in use in more homes than not for "wireless routers." You, or anyone who has a credit card and a nearby Best Buy, can do the same thing "without a license." Therefore by definition it is not Amateur Radio. W8JN 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Gone With The Wind", National Velvet" "A Christmas Story", "Lassie Comes Home" and "A Masked Man Stranger Saves Tippy's Ham Ticket" Hiooooo Silverrrr Awayyyyyy.... I have never had any issue with ham chat rooms. Actually the software radio is pretty slick! I have a problem with Trippy trying to sell up a product that is available free and better on other websites. What kind of humanatarian service is Tippy doing for the ham community by endorsing and advertising in a thinly veiled(pretend) news article. This lengthy Kum Baya nonsense "Michael Anthony" arrives to save the day infomercial that Tripply presents as public service is the biggest krok of nonsense I have seen in all my ham years. Who cares if Thippy quits ham radio??? Ham radio is as strong as ever. The myth that it is dying has been around for the past 60 years. The internet just passes the lie around quicker. I for one am thinking of nominating Tilly for the Nobel peace Humanitarian award or maybe the Mother Theresa award for his selfless contribution to Amateur Radio Worldwide. Tippeyy, In Cahoots with the boys who are selling and marketing this chatroom? Absolutely!!!!! If you think otherwise, I know a fellow who will invest your money... nice guy and just wants to see you make a buck... Charles Ponzi and his brother Bernie Maddoff... har bar har Paul w8jn W5GNB 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I have to agree with the author that the Contesters and JERKS have all but ruined Ham radio for LOTS of folks. It is kind of nice to tune to 14.275 and other frequencies on CQ100 and NOT hear a bunch of CB'ers, LIDS, FOUL language,Etc.... Now here is one thought to ponder...... I have a wireless internet system on 2.4-GHZ ISM band that has about a Ten mile path from the house to the source. If I operate this system on ISM Channels 1 through 6, I will be within the Ham band of 2.4 to 2.450 Ghz. This is Wireless, over the air and IN THE HAM BANDS. If I am running CQ100 on this system and operating within the 2.4 - 2.450 Ghz spectrum, then I would say it IS ham radio Over the AIR!! See ya on 2.4-GHZ !!!! 73's Gary - W5GNB W5DQ 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: As many have mentioned, VoIP apps like Echolink and CQ100 simulate and emulate ham radio but aren't amateur radio proper. One of my main reasons to avoid them is you can't use any 'QSOs' made with VoIP methods for any opearting awards so why bother if you are into paper chasing (as I am right now). By simulating something, it gives the feel but not the real experience. For example, I have many hours in flight simulators, both PC based and full up military/commerical motion-based flight simulators (worked on these for years). I know my way around a cockpit and can perform most flight procedures. Just don't take my feet off the ground as it probably would not be a pretty sight at the scene of the crash!!!! Feels like your flying right up to the point of impact, then it would feel like your crashing! I find it hard to swallow that any amateur would give up actually communicating over the airwaves to do so over the internet. There is always a way to do antennas and such, be it portable in the park, mobile, etc. It just takes the desire to do it and the backbone to tell the powers-to-be that command you can't to "take a long walk off a short pier (in shark infested waters)" If you're not generating RF in the amateur spectrum, then it isn't amateur radio - plain and simple. If one enjoys talking over the internet acting like a ham, so be it. I'll stick with using my station and antennas on my HOA/CC&R unincumbered real estate!!! WA8MEA 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: To Paul, W8JN: Let me get this straight: Are you saying that Tippy (the author of this article....) is an employee of CorMac Technologies Inc.?? Are you saying it is partly Tippy's company/business? Does ANYONE ELSE have info as to whether Tippy has a hand in this company??? Do you have an Internet source for this info? I'd be interested in seeing it if this were true. 73, Bill K5END 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Please America tell me that you do not have more people like Mr. Trippy Brown! Please tell me that this is just one individual opinion and that there are still a lot of radio operators in the US. Other wise I fear we can close amateur radio. Hans-Georg (DL3ZM) " Hans, Genau. Das tut mir leid. Aber, ist alles gut und ausgezeichnet. Es gibt hier viel wirklich "AmiHams", aber vielleicht sind ein Wenig nicht recht gescheit. hihi. Tschuss; drei und siebzig. K5END KD6NIG 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Epic troll, OP. You win one internets :) Look at all the screaming :) AJ4DW 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: There's nothing wrong w/CQ100... but it's not amateur radio. The problem I find with this article is that this computer communications program is compared to actual ham radio, and it's apples and oranges. It also denigrates those of us who use real RF in their communications. This is not called for and begs folks to point out the inadequacies of the CQ100 program as "ham radio". Was this meant to be troll bait? At best, CQ100 is a simulation (I like the comparison to the flight simulators), and not a very good one at that (HamSphere is a much better simulation with "Skip, fading, QRM, QRN, multipath phase effects", and it's free). If one were to object to the claim that it's a simulation then I'd have to point out that you're not communicating on 160 or 80 meters, but in a different chat room. It's as easy to make a contact on "160" as it is on "20"... and it's exactly the same. I used it a few years ago, and there was no challenge. I'll admit that there were no "CQ100 contests" then but, again, I really can't see any challenge to a CQ100 contest. Ragchewing... yes... the same as standing on a streetcorner and talking to the guys (that was fun a long time ago too). Yes, enjoy it, I can where it can be fun... but "no QRM, no QRN, no fading"... well, yeah, but it's also "no ham radio". W8JN 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components Bill, I love this country! Only in America can a Cuban arrive on a raft and become a millionaire 10 years later. Only in America can a Nigerian arrive with the tattered shirt on his back and become a college educated physician. As Don King said "Only in America". I have a problem with two bit hustlers, liars, scam artists, cheats , Bernie Maddoff types, presenting "healthy little Sally as a dying cancer patient "to steal a buck" from hard working honest people. Had the author of this article simply said, "my buddy and I have put together this chat room and its only$32 a year, I would have respected that (instead of the pathetic "saved ham radio story". I remember passing a "street person" carrying a sign that said "need money, I want a beer and women" I gave the guy $$because he was honest. I love the entrepreneurial spirit!!! I hate crooks, con artists, scams, flimflam men, Ponzi cons, lowlifes, miscreants, misanthropes, liars, antisocial derelicts and the liberals in the government who think its a good idea to change the name of General Motors (GM)to Government Motors (GM)... har har har WA8MEA 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components The point that is getting lost in all of the above posts is the$$$$scam put together by the author and his pal who designed the software. Who cares if it's real ham radio or not. If people enjoy it, it's not my business. What is my business is the attempt in this article to "shave the little girls head, present her as a chemo patient" and then stick a hand in my pocket and take my money. These two guys have to be dumb as a box of rocks to fool this ham community.... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= WHAT THE HELL??? 2.67 a month is a friggin' scam? Paul, I bet there are several thousand hams out here that spend fifty to one hundred times this amount on cigarettes, lottery tickets and booze per month! There are FAR too many of these anti-business types (like Paul) in our country today. This scares the living hell out of me because I firmly believe they will be our nation's downfall.... Oh...and no more "convenience" stores for you, Paul! Those are also a scam! They charge you HIGHER PRICES than a grocery store and just for "convenience" sake. How TERRIBLE!!!! So I'd better not catch you getting a Big Gulp or coffee in any Seven-Eleven!!!! Bill WA8MEA 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components Oh dear I've just read QST - I am so sorry that was not ham radio. Then you have educated me that I should cancel my intention to go to the Rochester hamfest next Sunday because that is not ham radio. I must find some RF so I can do ham radio. W2/G3LBS ------------------------------------------------- More sarcasm.... I love it!!! Bill WA8MEA 2009-05-27 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: That's the whole point of contention. 73 de Jim, N2EY ----------------------------------------------------- No...there is no contention. In the infamous words of one Charlie Brown.... "Don't you know sarcasm when you hear it?" ;-) 73, Bill K8ALM 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: As a software developer I think CQ100 is a slick piece of software. However, it is NOT Ham Radio. It is a license/fee required chat room. If you're having fun enjoy it but please don't call it Ham Radio. DL3ZM 2009-05-27 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Please America tell me that you do not have more people like Mr. Trippy Brown! Please tell me that this is just one individual opinion and that there are still a lot of radio operators in the US. Other wise I fear we can close amateur radio. Hans-Georg (DL3ZM) W8JN 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components The point that is getting lost in all of the above posts is the$$$$scam put together by the author and his pal who designed the software. Who cares if it's real ham radio or not. If people enjoy it, it's not my business. What is my business is the attempt in this article to "shave the little girls head, present her as a chemo patient" and then stick a hand in my pocket and take my money. These two guys have to be dumb as a box of rocks to fool this ham community. Partially blind???? the computer program I saw was smaller than the display on a 775dsp. antenna restrictions? lots and lots of fantastic reports of attic wires working like a champ. Ham radio dying? I have been hearing that same bogus story for the past 40 years..... do I feel sorry for the author? This is the sorriest excuse for a human interest story I have ever read in all my years of ham radio. We should all be offended when Cheech and Chnog try to pull a fast one on us. 73 Paul w8jn ps... please pass a tissue... i feel a tear coming on. Bernie Madoff would be proud of this scam..... KW4JX 2009-05-27 RE: Essential Components Oh dear I've just read QST - I am so sorry that was not ham radio. Then you have educated me that I should cancel my intention to go to the Rochester hamfest next Sunday because that is not ham radio. I must find some RF so I can do ham radio. W2/G3LBS N2EY 2009-05-26 Essential Components "The people in gardening forums are calling the gardeners who use rototillers instead of spades....NON-gardeners...." Nope. But they're putting real plants in real soil, and growing real vegetables, right? But a person who buys vegetables at a store already grown isn't a gardener. "Are people in the sewing-as-a-hobby discussion groups defining those who are using computer aided Singers as "not real sewers" since they're not using an old fashion foot peddle???" Nope. But they're sewing real fabrics together with real thread, right? A person who buys clothes already made isn't a tailor. "Are the woodcrafters calling other woodcrafters names if they are using power tools instead of hand saws and tools???" Not if they're actually making things from real wood. But a person who buys a kit from Ikea and puts it together isn't a woodworker. "Are you really a "back yard mechanic" because you can diagnose your car's problems with one of those new portable computer diagnostic plug-in devices, but are not familiar with a dwell/tach???" Diagnosis is one thing, fixing quite another. A person who figures out that the car needs work because the check engine light went on isn't a mechanic. "Are you really a fisherman if you are using sonar and "smelly" artificial baits???" Not if you go after real fish in real water. But the person who shoots fish in a barrel isn't a fisherman. "Are you an amateur meteorologist if you are using these new-fangled computerized weather instruments instead of putting a wet finger in the air and using a cloud chart???" Of course you are. But not if you go to weather.com to get the forecast. "And are you a a real amateur astronomer if you're using a Celestron CPC 1100 XLT GoTo Schmidt Cass Telescope....a futuristic new 11" Schmidt-Cassegrain catadioptric telescope with computerized GoTo pointing technology?????????????" If you point it at the sky and look at the stars, moon and planets, why not? But going to a planetarium doesn't make someone an astronomer. In all of the above activities, there's are fundamental/essential components that makes someone a gardener, tailor, woodworker, mechanic, fisherman, meteorologist or astronomer. Those components vary with the activity, but it's obvious what they are. In Amateur Radio, the fundamental/essential component is radio communication between licensed amateurs using the amateur radio bands. The technology of the transmitter, receiver, antenna and control system are secondary issues; you could have a ham with a remote-controlled SDR working a ham with a 1929 regenerative receiver and TNT transmitter, and it's real ham radio all the way. But CQ100 isn't ham radio. Those using it are not participating in amateur radio communication. That's the whole point of contention. 73 de Jim, N2EY WA8MEA 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Think of it this way: Four decades ago, everyone laughed at the prospect of buying bottled water. Two decades ago, everyone frowned at the internet. Now we have "Internet Ham Radio!" ------------------------------------------------- You forgot to add that we also have.... Software Defined Radios for Amateur Radio Use. (Better known as "FlexRadios") You also have an entire forum system dedicated to this "rig".... http://forums.flex-radio.com/ I was also wondering if.... The people in gardening forums are calling the gardeners who use rototillers instead of spades....NON-gardeners.... Are people in the sewing-as-a-hobby discussion groups defining those who are using computer aided Singers as "not real sewers" since they're not using an old fashion foot peddle??? Are the woodcrafters calling other woodcrafters names if they are using power tools instead of hand saws and tools??? Are you really a "back yard mechanic" because you can diagnose your car's problems with one of those new portable computer diagnostic plug-in devices, but are not familiar with a dwell/tach??? Are you really a fisherman if you are using sonar and "smelly" artificial baits??? Are you an amateur meteorologist if you are using these new-fangled computerized weather instruments instead of putting a wet finger in the air and using a cloud chart??? And are you a a real amateur astronomer if you're using a Celestron CPC 1100 XLT GoTo Schmidt Cass Telescope....a futuristic new 11" Schmidt-Cassegrain catadioptric telescope with computerized GoTo pointing technology????????????? 73, Bill OBSERVER11 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: CQ CQ CQ DE 192.168.1.254 K KB1SF 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Richard (KA1DNO) wrote: "As a "mode of communication," QSOnet is internet-based, like email, VOIP, chatrooms, and posting videos to YouTube. These technologies have never been confused with radio." ------------------------ "Never" is a rather absolute term, Richard. I suppose the fact that a lot of the protocols used on the Internet were carbon copies of those used in early Packet Radio would tend to refute your statement (Al Gore's claim that he "invented the Internet" notwithstanding!) And I suppose the fact that the widespread use of WiFi has now caused most of our 2.4 GHz Ham Band to be all but unusable in urban areas doesn't have anything to do with "radio" either. The band was hijacked because WE simply weren't doing anything of substance with it. And therein lies the crux of the issue. We have been so busy "eating our young" over the years by making our potential newcomers all genuflect and rigidly conform to what Ham Radio USED to be that we have now driven them (along with their wide-eyed creativity and experimentation) away from our Service in droves. And these folks aren't coming back. You are quite correct, Richard. These days, most youth would MUCH prefer having a cell phone in their hands so that they can send text back and forth to their friends. But, I suppose the "mode purists" posting here will now argue that cell phones don't use "real radio" either. What a bunch of hogwash! I find it absolutely appalling that while our Service is slowly (and quite literally) dying, all the Luddites among us can now find to argue about is whether (or not) some obscure Internet mode of communication constitutes "real Ham radio". It would all be comic if it wasn't so sad. Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF N7KFD 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I once rode a motorcycle from Little Rock, AR to Salt Lake City, UT. It took three days and was the best ride I've ever taken. KG4CLD 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Looking back over my previous comment and the comments of others. I think some of us are being a little one-sided. Think of it this way: Four decades ago, everyone laughed at the prospect of buying bottled water. Two decades ago, everyone frowned at the internet. Now we have "Internet Ham Radio!" Just think of what's to come in 10 more years. For some, its a permanent residency at their local cemetery, but for others, it could be the advent of "Trunking Amateur HT's!" OR "Scratch-N-Sniff" microphones. All in all, its going to be interesting, so don't complain... KA1DNO 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: quote: "I had worked my first dx qso from India! Never worked India since I got my ticket in 1977!" That's nothin'... check this out; I worked India using 3 different "modes". Nowadays, I just call these all "QSOs" for short: 1. Last week, I got AN EMAIL from India. I wrote "CQ CQ" in the subject line of the email. So that counts, right? 2. That same week, I talked to an Indian fellow when I CALLED TECHNICAL SUPPORT. Before he answered, I said "CQ CQ DX DX." That counts, too, right? 3. After that, I READ A COMMENT ON YOUTUBE, AND REPLIED WITH A COMMENT OF MY OWN. I wrote "CQ CQ" at the end of my msg. That counts, too, right? They were hard "QSOs" too; but not as hard as the Sunday evening phone "QSO" I have with my Mom each week. She always wants to know when I'm getting married, and I keep asking her when she's going to send me a QSL card. But, this way, ham radio will never die! KA5JRX 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Face it folks. If you do not know how to copy code and operate a morse code key, you are not really a Ham, you are just another CBer with a counterfeit license. 'GO AHEAD THERE BIG RED' 'BOY YOUR RADIO IS REALLY BLOWING THE DOORS OFF THE HINGES' OVER AND OUT THERE GOOD BUDDY' So just suck it up and quit crying about not being able to apply yourself and learn the code. I'm all for leaving the guy alone and let him enjoy his hobby, whatever it is called. KC5NWS 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I had worked my first dx qso from India! Never worked India since I got my ticket in 1977! All you did was talk to him on the internet, not very impressive k5jyd KA1DNO 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: WB1SF de KA1DNO: "Sadly, burying our (their) heads in the sand with arrogant assertions" I think this is rather judgmental, and off-point. Ok, ok, here are my arrogant assertions: 1. You cannot "save" ham radio. 2. This product doesn't "do" ham radio. 3. This product will not "replace" ham radio after it's gone. As a "mode of communication," QSOnet is internet-based, like email, VOIP, chatrooms, and posting videos to YouTube. These technologies have never been confused with radio. QSOnet has no bearing on whether Amateur Radio will survive. If Amateur Radio dies, it dies. And it looks like it might. Anyone who thinks QSOnet will replace traditional radio in the long run is fooling themselves. QSOnet does not extend the life of ham radio. As many "pro" commentors have said, this product only helps older hams with access issues use something that reminds them of the good ole days. So, are lots of kids really downloading QSOnet and smiling gleefully, saying "Look! I'm doing ham radio." ?? I doubt it. They are more likely asking Mom and Dad to buy them the latest cell phone. This product is a chat-room product, with a ham radio simulated interface. Is this so hard to see? Maybe it is, but only to the marketers who are trying to blur the lines in order to increase sales. WA8MEA 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: In the words of that great philosopher....Homer Simpson: "All hobbies suck. But if you keep at it, you might find that in the end, you've managed to kill some precious time." KB1SF 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Jim (N2EY) wrote: "KB1SF writes: "In fact, there is strong anecdotal evidence to suggest that our Service in the United States actually STOPPED growing in 2003 and has been in a slow but steady decline ever since." What evidence, Keith?" What do YOU say, Keith? Should we consider using the virtual "bands" of CQ100 to be the same thing as using the real HF amateur bands? If so, where is the line drawn? At what point does something stop being Amateur Radio? ----------------------- Well, well…. if it isn't the same old Jim using his same old (lame) tactics…. nit-picking peoples' words and demanding that they supply yet more "proof" to justify facts and opinions he doesn't happen agree with. Jim, I've made my points and I've MORE than supported them both here and elsewhere. And I certainly don't need to further justify ANY of my ideas to you or anyone else. What's more, and as I've told you TWICE before, I absolutely REFUSE to waste any more of my time stroking your ego by engaging in your stupid little online mind games. I have FAR better things to do with my precious moments. Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF KA1DNO 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: quote, "Crusty old guys posting comments on a internet site bashing guys who use an internet program to make "QSO"s. Priceless." Who are you callin' old?! :-) (I'm 40-ish) W4HIJ 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: So it's a ham radio simulator , so what? I fly flight sim all the time, doesn't mean I think I'm flying for real but I have fun. It's allowing the author to get some enjoyment that he otherwise wouldn't have. I certainly don't agree that it's "real" radio but why does it rub so many of you guys the wrong way? And if you're so against the internet, then what are you doing here in the first place? 73, Michael, W4HIJ AK2B 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: KG4ZVA wrote: "a handicapped ham has found a way to enjoy something and talk with other hams around the world, and all you people can do is put him down, insult him and talk about how its not radio. absolutely pathetic." That pretty much sums it up for me. How can someone gauge another mans fun? Tom, ak2b KB2DHG 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I am sorry but I have to comment again... Your article was posted with passion that you found a way to help you enjoy YOUR hobby. This debate wether it is radio or not should have NO bearing... It is a hobby no matter how or what you use to enjoy it... It fills a void or makes you happy then so be it... Life is way too stressful or demanding as it is... The question here is not wether you are making radio waves or not, it is, ARE YOU HAVING FUN AND HAPPY! I understand how hard it is having an HF station in an apartment. I live in a restricted condo. Yea, I was able to get an antenna up. It is NOT what I would like to have BUT I am on the air and making contacts. And YES I also do get on ECHO LINK from time to time. I find it very useful when band conditions are down and I need to talk to a HAM for information or just to see whats going on around the world... I say good article and you do what ever it takes to enjoy the hobby of communications. W9JAB 2009-05-26 RE: Modern Technology designed to make life easy Now don't get me wrong I'm a solid "RADIO" guy. But A few years ago I got hook on the Echo-link Bug, it was fun and interesting and not radio! I did like the fact that there was a lot of older hams, that were in antenna restricted places old folk homes and retirement communities that could not have a radio, but still want to stay within the ham world. I used to talk to a guy In Germany on my way home from work, He was telling me how he was hooked on echo-link, and how his H.F. stuff was gathering dust, also how the German government would not allow him to set up a node. Anyway ya! it's fun and depending who you take to it's not "Radio", but you would not QSL an Echo-link contact anymore that a repeater contact. W9JAB WI7B 2009-05-26 RE: Modern Technology designed to make life easy Glad you enjoyed Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP)! It sounds like CQ100 is social networking like LinkIn and Facebook with a ham radio facia. Except that it costs 32/year and is not free. I know many older hams who cannot use a real radio or antenna system because of living restrictions. Maybe these restricted amateurs might enjoy some internet-based social networking that mimics ham radio? 73, ---* Ken K1DA 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: cq100 "affirmative action" for amateur radio. I am "entitled" to make contacts, antenna or not. G3SEA 2009-05-26 Modern Technology designed to make life easy The irony of these discussions is that ALL modern technology has one goal in mind ie To make life easier and simpler. In our hobby older hams may see it as ' dumbing down ' while young 'techies' see it as ' cool ' ;) It depends on your perspective. Obviously Echolink and IRLP are not pure Ham Radio but they are a fun and reliable way ( especially for out of State and out of Country expats ) to natter on RF Repeaters & Links back home and worldwide. They do not replace the ' magic' of HF but for many are a useful addition to a Ham's communications arsenal. KG4CLD 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: With all the comments being thrusted about, I couldn't help but notice the almost imperceptible notion that some corporate desk-jockey has come up with a way to make "Ham Radio" a subscription service. They've created a pretty picture of a radio, so you can feel like your actually using a radio, and did nothing more than created a "members only" chat room for hams. Add this to the fact that you're PAYING money to use this service. What was it, 32.00(USD)for a years subscription? I'll bet the ARRL had a hand in this project. No, this isn't ham radio. This is an attempt to make ham radio a paid service like Sirius satellite radio. What the hell is the point if everything is easy for you to do? Ham radio is suppose to be difficult. Your suppose to have SWR problems, blown tubes, antenna trouble, breaks in your coaxial cable, and more. That's what makes it fun! It gives you something to discuss, experiment with, and drool over when you get it to work right. The bottom line, if you have deed restrictions, a handicap, or other issues which hinders you, then perhaps this is your only outlet. But for the rest of us, it's wireless or nothing... W8JN 2009-05-26 social network if you think about it, ham radio was and is social networking 99.9% of the time. occasionally we have real emergencies that only ham radio can take care of. there is facebook(free) myspace(free) twitter(free) and a host of internet "pretend" ham radio(free). lots of free ham radio stuff including "real interfacing with a real rig" echolink,FREE. i HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SOMEONE FULFILLING THEIR SOCIAL NETWORKING NEEDS with this new service. let them call it as they wish. the thing that is annoying is that it is being sold as "something special and new" for 32 a year when its duplicate and its superior form is out there free...... i doubt that the author is in this for the joy of "spreading the word" for a pay service, when echolink is out there FREE FREE FREE, with real rf, real radios etc. i am offended by the conjob of the author and his partner in this money generator.... 300,000 subscribers? come on. my leg doesnt stretch that far, stop pulling it..... best 73 paul w8jn KC8RWR 2009-05-26 RE: KA5ROW That's a real hamshack? I see a bunch of store-bought appliances and a computer running a bunch of closed software. Even the power distribution box is "plug and play". Ok... No, I don't really have a problem with a ham not building their own equipment. I'm just glad to see any ham however they get there rig because it means there is someone to share a contact. However, if you are going to post bad about someone else and hold up a picture of your shack as what "Real" ham radio is about you could at least show evidence of having used a soldering iron once or twice in it's assembly. As for CQ100, I'm not sure what makes it more ham like than just any old VoIP program but if it at least inspired the author to renew his license... maybe he is more likely to get on RF again at a later date than if he had let it lapse? I would suggest he check out Hamsphere "dxtuners.com" if he is looking for a more accurate radio simulation. It's free and simulates various atmospheric effects, QRM, QRN, etc... if you still want some of the challenge and experience. I'm not sure I would call that "radio" but if you are in a really really restricted situation and can't even hide an indoor antenna (nursing home perhaps?) I could see there being some value in being able to at least simulate what had been ones lifelong hobby. It didn't really sound like that is what the author is after though. N2EY 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: KB1SF writes: "In fact, there is strong anecdotal evidence to suggest that our Service in the United States actually STOPPED growing in 2003 and has been in a slow but steady decline ever since." What evidence, Keith? Looking at the total number of current FCC Amateur Radio licenses, we've been GROWING since early 2007. That's more than two years. Granted, we're not back up to the July 2003 peak, but we're getting there. KB1SF: "It is ALSO now crystal clear (by their continued absence from our Service) that the vast majority of today's eligible youth have absolutely NO burning desire to jump though such systemically discriminatory "hazing rituals" left over from a bygone era just for the exciting (?) privilege of chatting (via technologically ancient, analog HF radio no less!) with a bunch of increasingly out-of-touch (in their minds) "old geezers" still hell bent on keeping EVERYTHING in our Service exactly as it was back in the 1950s." What "hazing rituals"? Here in the USA, we have just 3 license classes, all of which can be earned by simply passing multiple choice written exams. The Q&A used on those exams are readily available for free. There are Extra Class amateurs whose biological age hasn't reached double digits. KB1SF: "Taken together, these two strong indicators (an ever-aging and increasingly out-of-touch mainstream population combined with a growing disinterest in what that mainstream says and does by large numbers of eligible youth) paint a FAR different (and far more serious) picture for our long-term survival than whether modern, Ham Radio-related Internet-based modes of communication should (or should not) be deemed part of the hobby." Sorry, I just don't buy that at all. Do you consider CQ100 to be part of Amateur Radio? It doesn't use the amateur bands at all. It doesn't have to use radio at all. No license is required. No antennas, no transceivers, none of that old-fashioned RF stuff. It's an emulation, but it's not Amateur Radio. However, it DOES require a computer and a connection to the internet. Those are its defining characteristics. Should CQ100 conversations be considered Amateur Radio QSOs? Should they count for DXCC, WAS, and other awards? I'm not saying CQ100 is "bad" or that anyone shouldn't use it. All I'm saying is that it's not Amateur Radio. A line has to be drawn somewhere, and when a contact doesn't have to use RF or the amateur bands, it stops being Amateur Radio. What do YOU say, Keith? Should we consider using the virtual "bands" of CQ100 to be the same thing as using the real HF amateur bands? If so, where is the line drawn? At what point does something stop being Amateur Radio? 73 de Jim, N2EY K5END 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: quote, "Crusty old guys posting comments on a internet site bashing guys who use an internet program to make "QSO"s. Priceless." "Priceless" is a good word. Another word is "hilarious." GREAT observation! WA8MEA 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: by WA7NCL on May 26, 2009 Crusty old guys posting comments on a internet site bashing guys who use an internet program to make "QSO"s. Priceless. ****************************************************** BINGO! I wondered if anyone else noticed the EXTREME irony here.... (BTW, thanks to the moderator and those who reported the binary nut. The forum structure looks MUCH better once again....) 73, Bill W3JK 2009-05-26 RE: I am also the King of England in the virtual world One more point .... Do these guys actually exchange QSL cards? Is ARRL going to give these guys DXCC? WZ1P 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I have stated here a number of times that my laptop has never had an intimate relationship with my HF, VHF or UHF rigs. This is nothing more than a simple internet chatroom. I'm somewhat of a high tech guy when it comes to radios BUT to have the computer or the internet do all your bidding for you is just plain stupid. Want to be a ham? Then act like a ham. Dan. W3JK 2009-05-26 I am also the King of England in the virtual world How does this article even make it into this website?? !!!! How different is cq100 from ICQ, Skype, Facebook or meetingplace etc etc. This is internet garbage. I had an installer of my invisible fence ask me a few questions about ham radio after checking out my antenna and shack. He compared himself by saying that he played internet video games and he talked to different folks in the world in his virtual reality. I explained to him and also gave him a demo about the radio and the difference, while he walked away shaking his head saying that his internet chat were much clearer. Here I said to myself, what a waste of time trying to explain what Ham radio really means compared to his virtual world and he is never going to get it. Low and behold, I see a ham of 30yrs trying to convince himself that this is ham radio. Whats next? hook up a video camera to cq100 and call it SSTV? Enjoy yourself in your glorified internet chat rooms but please dont call it ham radio. My elmer would probably roll in his grave if hears of this balony crap. WA7NCL 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Crusty old guys posting comments on a internet site bashing guys who use an internet program to make "QSO"s. Priceless. W1ITT 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: This would be as much fun for me as Bernie Madoff would have playing Monopoly in his jail cell. It isn't radio, and having experienced real ionospheric radio, it would be a letdown. But if nothing else were available, I suppose it would have a certain amount of entertainment value. I'm sorry for all those hams who are stuck in little apartments or HOA communities. It makes me value my acreage and freedom all the more. I hope that WD8EOP and all the others in radio prison can someday get out and enjoy the hobby the real way. KC2QYM 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I am sorry that the author thinks that this is Ham radio for it is not. I agree with many of the replys indicating that Radio is RF and CQ100 is only an internet simulation of Ham radio. However I do not agree with the more more militant replys. Dear author, please realize that the way you communicate via CQ100 is just not a radio experience but it is a communications experience. If that's what excites you then great...but also be prepared to experience the barbs from the die hard Amateur Radio operators. You may have a license but you are still not an active Ham if you use CQ100... K8QV 2009-05-26 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "Sadly, burying our (their) heads in the sand with arrogant assertions as to what does (or does not) constitute "real Amateur Radio" does absolutely nothing to reverse that clearly downward trend." This topic isn't about "arrogant assertions" regarding doing radio like it was done in the 1950s versus embracing new radio technologies. What constitutes "real Amateur Radio" is using radio frequencies in a variety of ways to communicate. It's simple. The Internet is not a radio technology at all. That is all the "negative" and "nay-sayers" are pointing out. It's not about some old fool's nostalgia for the old days and eschewing anything developed since Amplitude Modulation. It's about simple definitions of technologies. Why is this a problem with some people? It is about recognizing the Internet as another form of communication which can enhance the radio hobby, but not substitute for it. K3LUE 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I guess it's "to each his own" and if you're interested in talking to others, this works. Of course, so do cell phones and they're pretty much international at this point. Personally, there is nothing that replaces the station to station QSO. This is why I stay away from repeaters. I was QSOing a machine and if all you want is an intercom, repeaters are fine. I, for one, always enjoyed getting up at 3 in the morning and trying to snag some Pacific DX. Once I did, there was no greater ham radio satisfaction that going into the night, looking up at that beam, and knowing that over that ridge, was that station I just worked. Had the big antennas, the amps and the 320 plus DXCC. My station is very modest now, condo and all, and my antenna is a dipole in the attic. But, it works surprisingly well and I now have over 200 countries worked. Still fun. Respect the "options" for hams in QSO net and Echolink, but point to point over your own station is still the benchmark. K1DA 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: What you have is a hobby that simulates reality, a ham radio video game. IMHO, though, if you don't need a license, it isn't ham radio. W2LJ 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Cute - but no thanks! I'd rather have the SWR and QRM and QSB and all the other problems to worry about. They are what make it real. If you like this kind of thing, hey, that's OK too! This and Echolink have their uses. It may be communicating, without a doubt; but it's not radio. W8KQE 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: KENWOOD IS COMING OUT WITH A NEW HF/6M BASE STATION RIG SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! N8KOM 2009-05-26 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: OK - it has already been said, but I have to also add to the list - this CQ100 or internet thing might be a "ham radio like" hobby, but it is not ham radio. Sort of like playing flight simulator on the computer is "like" flying a plane, but is not really flying a plane - get it? If there is no radio, no RF - it is not ham radio. KW4JX 2009-05-26 RE: Why is there no word wrap? I tell you this if I go blind or can't use the ridiculous plethora of useless microscopic knobs I shall be on echolink or cq100 like a shot. Come to think of it I get great fun and better signals from my simulated antennas than my real ones. Maybe I should go CQ100? Your report is 5 and 9 OM the rig here is a simulated broadcast transmitter with a simulated 7 element quad. Hey I can up the simulated power how do you copy now? No my neighbors are very friendly now old boy. K4KYV 2009-05-26 Why is there no word wrap? Each paragraph in this article is stretched out in one long line. I have to scroll from L to R just to read. Got tired of fiddling with it and gave up after going through just a few of the comments. Why is there no word wrap in the text? W8JN 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: HI All, Am I missing something here/ is there an actual radio involved somewhere? Maybe I missed something somewhere..... This sounds like a chatroom? I am sure it's quite a bit of fun and terrific for antenna restricted sites but ham radio? Why keep your gear if you only need a computer? 32 a year to belong to a chatroom? I think someone has a terrific money making idea! It won't be my 32. The children I teach consider chatrooms pretty KEWL places on the computer. Nothing wrong with it and it sounds like fun. Kings Island is fun, Six Flags is fun. Golfing is fun, Parachuting is fun. None of the above are ham radio, but I sure like jumping out of perfectly good airplanes!!!!! best 73 paul w8jn or cul bff rotfl lmao imho hihihi KB9CRY 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Sri but the Internet is NOT Radio. Get on the air! AI4WN 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I took a few minutes to look at the cq100 website. I found this on the home page: "QsoNet uses the internet to receive audio signals from a ham radio transmitting station, then instantly reflects the audio back to all stations listening on that frequency. There is no RF. Everything is done over the internet. The result is a simulated ionosphere for worldwide amateur radio communication. Stations can use voice, CW (Morse code), PSK and FSK modulation." Why is an Amateur Radio License needed to use this service? --There is no RF--the result is a simulated ionosphere. There are dozens of instant messaging services available on the world wide web. This service just seems to be another one. Use your license as it is intended....generate your own rf. 73, Tedd N4GVA 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "I also worked the cqm international dx contest, the weekend of May 10, and made 24 qs in that contest!" You know, I think it's great you've got a way to chat with people. Nothing wrong with that at all. But beyond the bickering about "what is radio" I have a serious problem when I see people start talking about QSLing and contesting using VOIP contacts. Apparently the CQ-M contest (http://www.cq-m.andys.ru/rules_eng.html) didn't have any provisions for contacts made over the internet. Contacts had to be made between 1.8 and 30mhz on the ham bands excluding WARC bands. Categories including SSB, CW, or both types of transmissions. CQ100 may simulate the existence of SSB or CW, but you were using neither. If you want to make contacts on the 'net for fun, QSL for fun saying it was on the 'net, or even run net-based contests go for it. Have fun. Knock yourself out. But please, don't suggest it's radio - it isn't. N7WR 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I'm glad, particularly since the person making the post has a disability, that he finds it enjoyable and motivating. I would have to join with others however in pointing out that what he is enjoying is, essentially, an internet based chat room. It is certainly NOT amateur radio since no part of it involves RF. WA8MEA 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: AB7E: "That comment just helps prove my point that the average teenager (the ones we like to criticize for their lack of tech savvy) is more aware of current communication capabilities than many hams." AMEN!!! N2EY: All it proves is that one ham (me) didn't know about the WiFi capabilities of one model of iPod. Do you *really* think the "average teenager" knows (or cares) much about how WiFi works? Hell, yes! Plus they can build, install and operate little Wi-Fi yagi antennas.... Joshua has got this little "blue tooth" lookin' thing in his ear while he plays games against his friends and his older brothers who have moved out of town or out of state. He walks around the house/yard and chats with this thing. Sometimes I'll use it to say hello to one of my sons I haven't talked to in a while. I think ham radio will make a comeback with young people once again. Nobody wants to do what the proceeding generation did. That's not cool. However, it's cool to do what Grandpa is doing. I'm looking forward to teaching Caleb....and any other future grandchildren....all about ham radio. 73, Bill - WA8MEA KB1SF 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I really have to laugh at all the "it isn't real Ham Radio" nonsense I'm now reading in these posts. Clearly, for FAR too many of us, Ham Radio has now turned into a religion, complete with (largely unwritten) "doctrines" and "Canon Laws" that all must be blindly adhered to in order for someone to participate. To such "mode purists", unless one genuflects in EXACTLY the same way that they, themselves, do (or DID long ago), one can never be deemed a "real Ham". Gents, right now we have FAR more serious threats to the long term survival of our Service....threats that have absolutely NOTHING to do with which mode of communication one chooses to use in our hobby or whether (or not) this or that mode constitutes "real" Ham Radio! The evidence is all around us. When combined with the GOBS of dead air on our HF bands (not to mention our ever-more-empty repeaters), a simple look around at the ever-more prevalent graying (and/or balding!) heads and expanding waistlines at Ham Radio-related gatherings should leave absolutely NO doubt in anyone's mind where our Service is ultimately headed. Any way you cut it, folks, Ham Radio in the United States is, quite literally DYING a slow, but painful death. It's the result of an ever-aging (spelled "rapidly expiring") Ham population and a correspondingly horrific dearth of youthful newcomers into our hobby. The latter condition, in my humble opinion, has been largely caused by our own collectively obsessive desire to strictly maintain totally baseless, 1950's era, "exclusivity" in the licensing, regulatory and operational systems in our Service LONG after they have served any useful purpose. That is, as a result of our collectively obsessive perpetuation of such arcane modes of communication as AM, CW, SSB to the determent of new, far more digitally-based modes of communication (such as Winlink, IRLP and Echolink) Ham Radio has now largely turned into a technological backwater of our own doing. By any measure, we haven't pulled our technological "weight" in decades. And, as a direct result of THAT fact, we can certainly no longer justify our continued fee-free access to the literally BILLIONS of dollars worth of spectrum we are currently sitting on. Indeed, whether such ego-based nonsense EVER served any "useful regulatory purpose" is debatable. But, regardless, all that ego-stroking exclusivity (along with all the on and off air snobbery that it has bred) is now coming back to haunt us as the "good ol' boys" in our government-regulated "good ol' boy's club" (that is, those who wear their "earned" Morse-based advanced licenses as some sort of "I'm-better-than-you" badge of honor) are now (thankfully!) dying off in ever increasing numbers. That's the good news. The bad news is that their numbers aren't being replaced. In fact, there is strong anecdotal evidence to suggest that our Service in the United States actually STOPPED growing in 2003 and has been in a slow but steady decline ever since. It is ALSO now crystal clear (by their continued absence from our Service) that the vast majority of today's eligible youth have absolutely NO burning desire to jump though such systemically discriminatory "hazing rituals" left over from a bygone era just for the exciting (?) privilege of chatting (via technologically ancient, analog HF radio no less!) with a bunch of increasingly out-of-touch (in their minds) "old geezers" still hell bent on keeping EVERYTHING in our Service exactly as it was back in the 1950s. Taken together, these two strong indicators (an ever-aging and increasingly out-of-touch mainstream population combined with a growing disinterest in what that mainstream says and does by large numbers of eligible youth) paint a FAR different (and far more serious) picture for our long-term survival than whether modern, Ham Radio-related Internet-based modes of communication should (or should not) be deemed part of the hobby. Sadly, burying our (their) heads in the sand with arrogant assertions as to what does (or does not) constitute "real Amateur Radio" does absolutely nothing to reverse that clearly downward trend. 73, Keith KB1SF / VA3KSF KG4TKC 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: KJ4IDH's latest work of art! "WA8MEA;Thoughtless idiot;, who the frack are you to call someone an idiot? We could only get lucky enough for you to go SK before the next cycle kicks in. It is folks like you that will kill this hobby. Now, lets double the binary code to make it even harder for someone to read these idiotic replies to someone that is enjoying the hobby." AD7WN 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Enjoyed your article, Trippy. Predictably, the naysayers were out in full force, flamethrowers poised for the attack. I don't think anyone would seriously think that Echolink or eQso or CQ100 is ham radio. Personally, I prefer to work qrp 40 meter cw with a rig I built myself. But these VOIP modes serve a useful function for folks in nursing homes or in some apartment situations where they can't use RF. If CQ100 works for you, then more power to you. 73 de John/AD7WN W6TGE 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: So, if I needed a state or two for WAS, can I just post my phone number and have them call me? Now any of my phone calls are free. Perhaps a ham in a state I need can give me their phone number and I can call them back for free. I hope they QSL! I sort of think of this as like the LEO's (except LEO's are Ham radio). I built an antenna and spoke to a few hams...it was radio, and I had fun building my 2/440 handheld beam, but the whole "QSO" was W6-Tango-Golf-Echo Charlie November-8-5". After a few of these, I felt it was fun, but maybe for a few times a Month at best. KG4TKC 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Just a note on KJ4IDH, the 'thoughtless idiot' whose binary string destroyed the page formatting. This is not his first time at posting as if he was part of only a select few who posses an ARS callsign and can read an ASCII table. Last time at least he did it in decimal. Maybe he doesn't know as much about bin as he thinks he does,,:) For anyone interested his little binary ASCII code reads "but as usual the fracking whiners and bitchers show up and preach down to folks! Take away the geritol and let them go SK." What a heart of gold,,:) One should always look for the humor,,:) I am sure if Jean Shepherd-K2ORS were able to see this he would find some humor in KJ4IDH and his Little Orphan Annie secret code. He might have Ralphie send him back a message reading--DRINK YOUR OVALTINE. KW4JX 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: So I think you should now tell people you do 'Pro-radio' instead of ham radio if you have to buy a rig KB9RQZ 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I supose it make be good for practice or maybe to help with a sked WD9FUM 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: It isn't radio, but it's better than nothing. W7ETA 2009-05-25 RE: It's just not ham radio. Repeaters in Ham Radio?! Heck, transistors are just barely part of Ham Radio. 73 Bob KC0JEZ 2009-05-25 RE: It's just not ham radio. Hmm.. last I checked, my iPod was indeed using wireless, as I sat in the coffee shop surfing the web and reading email via the wifi available there. But even if there's "an app for that" it still wouldn't be ham radio. Whoa... but there's a good idea for an iphone/ipod app... simulated ham radio in your pocket! Mwahahahah. Although I do see call sign lookup, practice exams, satellite tracking, morse tutors, hamlog, and other apps available now, and of course any ham web sites are accessible from your iphone/ipod too. But nonetheless the masses are correct, if there's no actual radio, it's simply not radio. And the fact that you're using a wireless modem does not make your VoIP anything LIKE ham radio. N2EY 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: N2EY: "As for the iPod, the ones I have seen all require a wired connection to a computer to transfer music, video, pictures, software, etc. They don't use radio for that. " AB7E: "That comment just helps prove my point that the average teenager (the ones we like to criticize for their lack of tech savvy) is more aware of current communication capabilities than many hams." All it proves is that one ham (me) didn't know about the WiFi capabilities of one model of iPod. Do you *really* think the "average teenager" knows (or cares) much about how WiFi works? AB7E: "The iPod Touch has been out for a few years now" It's only been out since September 2007. Not even two years yet. There are many other iPod models available. AB7E: "In most populated areas, it beats the pants off a VHF/UHF handheld for everything except voice, and if you're willing to do some minor hacking you can even do VoIP on it. It does so in a size as small as any ham radio handheld but with a much better interface, and all for free." Of course - and so does any modern Wi-Fi enabled laptop, notebook or handheld computer. The iPod Touch is just a small one with some unique features. All of which is made possible by an enormous communications infrastructure, and modern computer electronics. Nothing wrong with any of it - but it's not amateur radio. AB7E: "Like I said ... dinosaurs." In what way? Should amateur radio simply go away? Or should it become as infrastructure-dependent as the internet, cellphones, etc.? Is there no place in the modern world for "radio for its own sake"? 73 de Jim, N2EY W0LTL 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: He should get one of the old Vic 20 Contest programs, so he could be entirely on virtual radio, oh that is right, he would have to know CW to do that! Glad people enjoy the internet, but it isn't radio by any stretch of the imagination! Mike AB7E 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Sorry for the funky sentence breaks here, but it seems to be the only way to circumvent the formatting mess made by the idiot who posted that long digital string. N2EY: "As for the iPod, the ones I have seen all require a wired connection to a computer to transfer music, video, pictures, software, etc. They don't use radio for that. " That comment just helps prove my point that the average teenager (the ones we like to criticize for their lack of tech savvy) is more aware of current communication capabilities than many hams. The iPod Touch has been out for a few years now and is wildly popular. With it's WiFi capability (RF wireless) it can access web sites, send/receive emails, join chat rooms, and even communicate directly with other nearby units without going over the internet. In most populated areas, it beats the pants off a VHF/UHF handheld for everything except voice, and if you're willing to do some minor hacking you can even do VoIP on it. It does so in a size as small as any ham radio handheld but with a much better interface, and all for free. Like I said ... dinosaurs. Dave AB7E K9FON 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: I understand he is blind and he enjoys using what he has and that's fine. Kudos to him. I have tried Echolink a few times, but i just cant get into it. There is just no magic in it. I might as well just call one of my ham buddies on my cell phone. There is nothing like using an old tube radio and an antenna, and putting RF Energy out into the ether, and not knowing who will come back to you and from were!!! ;^) KG4ZVA 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: a handicapped ham has found a way to enjoy something and talk with other hams around the world, and all you people can do is put him down, insult him and talk about how its not radio. absolutely pathetic. OE5AKM 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Amateur Radio + Amateur Radio over IP (ARoIP) = Amateur Telecom 73, Alfred, OE5AKM AJ4MJ 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "This is not radio, just another internet chat room." Yeah, but I bet people are a lot friendlier there than they are here :P WA8MEA 2009-05-25 RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: As for the iPod, the ones I have seen all require a wired connection to a computer to transfer music, video, pictures, software, etc. They don't use radio for that. 73 de Jim, N2EY ==================================================== Hi Jim: My last response because of the thoughtless idiot who decided to put the binary across the entire forum and ruin the format.... You are not up with the latest in technology. The Ipods of today can do everything the Iphone can....except make phone calls. That means if you run Wi-Fi, a wireless router or subscribe to a WIRELESS Internet service, you are connected. I talked with my son about your comment. He and I agreed that you must've been thinking about "the good old days" when Ipods only downloaded songs and "podcasts" from a 'puter. I'm amazed at what Josh can do on his new little Ipod. I've even thought of selling my TS-430S and purchasing one myself.... 73, Bill W3HR 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: >>Also, what is the$$$for? AMATEUR RADIO can not charge money for services, right? So this communications service is not even in the SPIRIT of Amateur Radio by charging money for a ham radio service. << He's charging for the "radio equipment"... like ICOM and Yaesu do. :P ;) W3HR 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: "A riot is an ugly thing... and, I think, that it is JUST ABOUT TIME WE HAD ONE!" -Kenneth Mars, in "Young Frankenstein" KC6KIM 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Cable CB, it`s not radio if there is no RF! K9NZ 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: Sorry it is not radio! I can make contacts all over with my cell phone, but it is not a portable rig. But it is closer than CQ100 will ever be. "It is a chat room" it's the real threat to ham radio if you beleive it is a real contact! WE4VB 2009-05-25 How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back: From the QSONet website... "QsoNet uses the internet to receive audio signals from a ham radio transmitting station, then instantly reflects the audio back to all stations listening on that frequency. There is no RF. Everything is done over the internet. The result is a simulated ionosphere for worldwide amateur radio communication. Stations can use voice, CW (Morse code), PSK and FSK modulation. QsoNet works with dialup, DSL and cable internet connections. There is no need to configure router ports. The network consists of an array of internet servers which provide streaming voip audio between stations. After installing transceiver software, QsoNet stations are connected to a central server by a single, outbound TCP connection." Notice the second sentence where it states "THERE IS NO RF". RF = Radio Frequency. The transmitting station is the software that you download to create an audio path to/from your computer to the internet. So this mode of communications, which does NOT use RADIO FREQUENCY, really shouldn't be called amateur RADIO, which DOES require RF to communicate. Also, what is the$ for? AMATEUR RADIO can not charge money for services, right? So this communications service is not even in the SPIRIT of Amateur Radio by charging money for a ham radio service.

It's an internet communication service that caters to licensed amateur radio participants and charges them to use a radio experience simulation program.

Hmmm... Maybe a good idea for new operators to PRACTICE ON, before they use real radio equipment and go on the air!

Just my opinion, of course!

73,
Rick
WE4VB
DJ0RD 2009-05-25
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

It's just internet chatting to a specific audience using a funny interface. You can do the same thing with Skype, Messenger, etc.
KU2US 2009-05-25
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Hey! We all know CQ100 is not real radio, neither is echolink, but give the guy a break. Lets just say it is ham radio "related". Who knows, maybe a tech will use this, like it and up-grade to the real (HF) thing! He is excited about CQ100, at one time I was excited about repeaters :) Even though it is only an internet chat room, if it brings other hams together, then great! I knew the barbie would flame up on this one...
KG8JF 2009-05-25
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
If it works for you, go for it, but it ain't radio.
KB2FCV 2009-05-25
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
This is not real radio. There is no magic, it's just a chatroom. There is nothing there that makes it even remotely fun. Sure you can "talk to others" around the globe with 599 or 59 signals 100 % of the time but where is the fun and challenge of that?

Live in a condo or apartment and "can't put up a decent antenna"? I call BS on that. I rent a townhouse right now (saving for a house) and I have an indoor antenna. I was amazed the other day when I worked a JA and got a 559 signal report. Antenna is not the greatest, but I sure do think it's working. Yes, I can't wait to get something outdoors but I do know an indoor antenna does not have to be a death sentence.

Blind? There are plenty of tools to allow blind hams to get on the air. I know a few hams who are blind who are on the radio. You just need to adapt, improvise and overcome a little! Having some helpful hams, friends or loved ones of course helps as well.

If CQ100 is doing it for the original poster, whatever rocks his boat but it will never do it for me as its fake. Sure, some may a argue that it used RF perhaps by a wireless network connection, etc... nope, not the same.. sorry.
N2EY 2009-05-25
RE: It's just not ham radio.
To WA8MEA"

No, you didn't say CQ100 was radio.

But the original author says things like this:

"unkeyed the transmitter"

"I gave a cq call on 20 meters."

"I had worked my first dx qso from India!"

"I was in ham radio nirvana!"

"was now sitting here, working the world!"

"I could have sent him a qsl card and gotten one back"

"I also participated in the Michigan qso party, and worked 7 contacts, 1 after the other, too! I also worked the cqm international dx contest, the weekend of May 10, and made 24 qs in that contest! So much for not being able to participate in contesting any more, now I could again!"

Most of all he says this:

"I’ve got my ham radio hobby back"

"I’ll see you on the air, real soon!"

I'm glad he's having fun, and there's nothing wrong with CQ100. But what he's doing just isn't ham radio, because radio isn't a necessary part of it. He's not on the air when using CQ100; no matter what station another amateur has, nor what conditions are, nor what band/mode/time they use, they cannot work him using CQ100. That takes an internet connection and a computer.

As for the iPod, the ones I have seen all require a wired connection to a computer to transfer music, video, pictures, software, etc. They don't use radio for that.

73 de Jim, N2EY

AI4ET 2009-05-25
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"There are over 200000 hams who use it, world wide, and now it’s heading toward 300000!"

Funny when I checked the programs members page they only showed 24,495 members using the program. You are overstating by a factor of 10. An unintentional error on your part I'm sure.
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Try India on 10m long-path like I did back in 2000. Or on 75m like I did back in February. Now these are achievements. I could go to many places on the internet and get a hold of somebody from India. Oh wait, I could look up a callsign of somebody from India and then get their phone number, and ask them if the frequency was in use, which I guess would be be asking them if somebody was on call-waiting!

And "QRZ, is the frequency in use," where in the heck did you learn this? QRZ is asking who is calling, if anybody. So, you are asking if anybody is calling before you know if the frequency is being used. How long have you been a HAM?

If I could not use radio at home I would probably still talk to old buddies via e-mail or use some of the other internet things. However, I would not consider it radio by any stretch! Yes, I believe in using different technologies, but I am not even going to call any of these radio. If I was in a pinch I would use my mobile, which by the way can operate from 160m-70cm. There is always a way to put out a good signal, and I am not going to stop radiating RF!

I am even setup to operate portable on any band from my truck -- including a generator and inverters to operate my home amplifiers. Yes, it is a pain in the rump. However, I will always be able to operate radio in some capacity. I even have 40' poles that can be brought in a backpack, along with batteries that I can use to operate 4-5 hours at 50W SSB, and a long time at 5W CW. I would never give this up to operate a computer to talk to people. I am here on E-HAM, but again I am not going to give up radio. I will get off from the computer here in a little bit and fire up the TS-2000, Ameritron amp, and have fun on 75m. Heck, I may get a notion to go out to mobile and work a few people from my mobile on 75m.

I have problems here DXing on 20m towards the South Pacific -- I am at 7000' asl, however, I have mountains that are 11,000' asl towards VK & ZL. I am not going to give up working 20m. I just drive 12 miles to the top of a mountain that is 9500' asl and out of the way of the other mountains and enjoy DXing on 20m. On top of that, since it is within 50 miles from my house, I still get DXCC, WAS, ect, for those contacts!

I am disabled, so it is really hard for me to do this at times, but I would crawl to the top of the mountain, with my radio and batteries strapped to back, dragging a dipole between my teeth before I would use internet radio!

I am not one to use DX clusters either. Which is not how you should use radio either. I use propagation software, but I still have to solicit the contacts on my own. Once you have been an HFer for a while you pretty much now when and how to make contacts on whatever band you want to. 160m still surprises me though! However, I am on the radio finding out all of these idiosyncrasies for myself. I guess there is just an appeal to me that I can have my signal go more than halfway around the world and talk to some body with something that I have put together myself. And yes, I still play around with QRP CW transmitters.

To even advocate this type of "radio" (yeah right) is going to be the death of those of us that enjoy operating "real radio." To say that you are making DX contacts on the radio is making a complete mockery of real radio! I did like the porn site, love life analogy.

RF and RF burns forever,

NA6M 2009-05-25
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"There are over 200000 hams who use it, world wide, and now it’s heading toward 300000!"

I won't be joining them...
K9FON 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Ugh. why is the post spread clear across the screen?

If the day comes when ham radio is relegated to using a computer i will cancel my license.
AI4HO 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I think we all and the author agree that cq100 is not Radio! Let us stop and think for a minute, the author has stated that A; he lives in an apartment, which in and of itself can be a chore to set up a workable station. Yes it can be done, and there were several posts that stated that they in fact are living in an apartment and are using HF and making contacts.

Here is the one part that I find to be the kicker. Our author is BLIND!!! I too am disabled can't go like I want, but I can still get out and help the guys when they come over to help me with my tower, antennas, etc. But I am not blind, I think we're loosing site of that fact. We are so quick to yell, and bitch that this isn't ham radio. Well no its not, but for our author it is. Let the man alone and let him enjoy the hobby in his own way. Ask yourself what would I do if I were blind and couldn't use my pride and joy (insert name of favorite rig here).

Anyway I've said enough, we're all too quick to judge others, how about judging ourselves for a change.

Mark
W3LZK
ARRLBOOSTER 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
You didn't get your hobby back...you gave up and now do something that does not even need a license...ahhh..FB signal OM are you running a pc or a mac? Excellent audio...are you using a cable modem...it sounds great! Are you going to be proud of any qsls you receive from the other "posers"? Get real..

Bill Gates-Ham of The Year
WB4TJH 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I agree...it's make-believe ham radio. It's like video fishing games...all make-believe. To me, ham radio is a radio-to-radio, low powered CW qso with another ham far, far away. That's honest-to-goodness, REAL ham radio. I have no use for make-belive.
W0CBF 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

COMPUTER RADIO = COMPUTER + OPERATOR

WHAT IS MISSING = RADIO (PRICELESS)

BUY A REAL RADIO AND ENJOY THE QRM WITH THE REST OF US!

73'S
CHUCK
WB4LFC 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I agree with my amateur radio brethern,this is not ham radio because there isn't a radio and antenna involved.Why not just call it Ham Internet?
W7ETA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Nice to see you found a ham like hobby to enjoy.

Best from hot Tucson
Bob
N4JTE 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Sorry, but you lost me at your first line with "QRZ is the frequency in use ?" Perhaps CQ 100 IS your best avenue.
Bob
K9FON 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
If it doesnt transmit over the air using an antenna its NOT radio. Talking on the computer is not radio.
WN9DDV 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
I don't thnk band conditions are so bad. I worked New Zealand a couple of months ago, and just two or three weeks ago worked several stations in Europe on 40 meters SSB. This with a OCF dipole not up very high.
K8ELR 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Are you sure you have your hobby back? I don't think so!
Have fun but don't call it ham radio.

Jim K8ELR
WA8MEA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Have all you people who replied built your own rigs and antennas then?
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I have!

And not just kits....

One of the most exciting times in my ham hobby was the day I put together a 30 meter rig from a schematic. My first DX contact with the rig was from the UK, Gil. Nothing more exciting than building a little flea powered rig and then working DX across the pond. I worked a DL a few days after that.

Right now I'm getting started on a replica of the late, great Ameco AC-1.

However, just because someone is using a Flexradio....it doesn't mean I snub my nose at them. There are so many hobbies within this hobby.

But alas....there are those that will always curse the unknown. (I still run into amateurs who claim packet and repeaters aren't ham radio.)

73, Bill
KC0VGC 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Hey, whatever ticks your clock. That's great. Really. If pretending you're using ham radio is where it's at for you that's great. Maybe that's where it's going. PC based computer simulations have been around for 20+ years. It's nothing new. When I was in high school Flight Simulator was new and cool. Now we have CQ100. A ham transceiver simulator. As far as simulators go this one only simulates the transceiver and not RF. Lots of benefits to using a simulator. It works every time and no guesswork. Maybe in the future they will enhance the simulation aspect to make it more of a challenge. That way folks could learn how to operate if they wanted to try the real thing.
KW4JX 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
If I use a professional rig am I still a ham? Have all you people who replied built your own rigs and antennas then? I am impressed. It's all right then saying it ain't radio but not all right saying it ain't professional?
N0AH 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
FB on getting out- I can read that it must be tough on some of these hard asses with real estate that you are enjoying ham radio from your apartment- Put them in an apartment and see what they can do to work VU. Have fun and continue to use technology to enhance your hobby-

73 Paul N0AH
WA8MEA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.

The iPod doesn't
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Jim:

I beg to differ with you on this. Is your phone number good in the book? If so....I'll have my sixteen year old contact you so he can explain just how this is accomplished.

Kids. They know ten times more about technology than we do. The amazing thing about my five sons is that each one learns earlier and faster than the previous. My 29 year old is probably at the same techno-level as my 14 year old presently is.

73, Bill
WA8MEA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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I'm still re-reading my post....over and over....trying to see exactly where I stated CQ100, eQSO or Echolink were "amateur radio"....

I do remember discussing radio waves and "wireless" because there were some in this group that falsely claimed the above mentioned services weren't "radio" or didn't use "RF"....

I'll let you know when I find that sentence/paragraph. However, it may take until hell freezes over, the fat lady sings and/or when pigs fly....

;-)

73, Bill
N7YA 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
....but i will say this. "QRZ, is the frequency in use" is not proper. You are asking for the next caller on a frequency that may or may not already be occupied by someone else.

Just asking if the frequency is in use will work just fine. Just thought you might want to know...you are already getting enough of a beating from the OT's here.
N7YA 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

"Glad you enjoy your new little hobby OM, but as mentioned above, more than a few times - IT AINT' RADIO. Get it?? IT AINT' RADIO. Calling your hobby Radio, is like calling a cat a dog, call it what you please, but that cat will NEVER bark! 73, de Gene AF3Y"

Ive actually heard a cat bark....it was an old cat with scars and parts of its ear missing. I think the cat was a lifelong smoker. Friendly lil' bugger, though.

Oh yeah, not real radio, internet sucks, etc...i think eHam is a hobby all its own.
N2EY 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
WA8MEA writes: "At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust."

It's an amateur radio emulator, or simulator. But it's not the real thing. It's no more amateur radio than playing Wii golf is Pebble Beach.

WA8MEA: "Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"???"

Actually, it probably went by fiber optics almost all the way.

No, it isn't. More importantly, CQ100 isn't amateur radio because it doesn't use the amateur bands at all. It simply emulates/simulates them - sort of.

The iPod doesn't. TV may, but many TV watchers are now using cable or FiOs.

WA8MEA: "When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....)"

None of which are amateur radio. More importantly, none of that "radio" is a necessary part of CQ100. You could be on dialup, DSL or other wired internet access and it would make no difference to the operation of CQ100. Same if you used a wired router instead of an 802.11whatever one.

A CQ100 QSO doesn't have to use radio at all. An amateur radio QSO, by definition, has to use radio, and radio in the amateur bands, for at least some of the path. Therefore, CQ100 is not amateur radio.

Or consider this:

Can an unlicensed person legally operate (meaning, be the sole person in control of the transmitter) an amateur radio station in a non-emergency situation?

Can an unlicensed person legally use CQ100?

See the difference?

WA8MEA: "They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again."

That's great! But if they're using CQ100, they're not using amateur radio at all.

WA8MEA: "Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services."

Nobody is saying they're a bad thing. What we're saying is that CQ100 isn't amateur radio, but rather an emulation/simulation.

There's a BIG difference between amateur radio operations that consist of an amateur station being remote controlled via the internet, phone lines, etc., and a system that does not use amateur radio at all. CQ100 is the latter.

Lighten up and consider that emulation is not the same as actually doing something.

73 de Jim, N2EY
WA8MEA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman....
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W i r e l e s s. Funny how some of those old terms come around to haunt us all once again.

Now excuse me while I send a little CW on my "wireless" while my son sends a text message over his "wireless"....

;-)

73, Bill
K5ML 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
The airplane is great for fast, long distance transportation. But it's not the automobile!

The automobile is great for daily transportation. But it's not the horse and buggy!

VOIP may not fit your particular definition of amateur radio. However that doesn't prevent it from being a nice addition to the hobby for some people. Several thoughts come to mind:

1. Amateur radio is multifaceted hobby. It offers a buffet of activities that attract different people with varying interests. We are experimenters, builders, collectors, DX chasers, rag chewers, DXpeditioners, contesters, fox hunters, etc. I don't know anyone who engages in all of them. Most of us usually focus on just a few. I have never been on CQ 100 but it sounds interesting to me. While I wouldn't want it to replace my RF rig, I can't think of a better medium than VOIP for rag chewing with other hams around the world and really getting to know them.

2. Time and technological progress move on. When I was a young ham 50 years ago, I heard a few old-timers complain about us young, plug-in appliance operators. To the old-timers, real hams had home brew rigs built from scratch. I wonder how many of them would like to tackle building today's solid state rigs if they were alive today. VOIP doesn't offer the conventional challenges of RF, which I personally enjoy. However, achieving reliable world-wide communication is no longer a technological challenge. When was the last time someone asked you to run a phone patch?

3. Just because an activity doesn't fit someone's definition of "real ham radio" doesn't make it invalid. This way is my way. Which way is your way? The way doesn't exist.
KB6YH 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
My microwave uses radio waves. I guess when I warm up a "radio" dinner in my microwave that is the same as doing ham radio. My dinner is the receiver my transmitter is the microwave. CQ CQ Swanson de Hungryman. Is CB ham radio? Family radio service? marine band? Just because radio waves are somehpow involved it doesn't make it ham radio. Go ahead enjoy what you do, but don't call it ham radio unless it really is.
WA8MEA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Strange. I look at Echolink as one big Internet chat room. At least CQ100 has the resemblance of amateur radio with the use of a "virtual transceiver" with knobs to adjust. Plus....you don't have all of the firewall issues as you do with Echolink.

Now....for those of you who think CQ100, Echolink and eQSO aren't "radio"....how the hell do you think the author was able to talk to the other side of the world??? Do you honestly believe their voices went across the entire planet via the use of the infamous "twisted pair"???

Come on! EVERYTHING is radio now! Your cell phone....I mean "wireless" (WOW! There's a term that's reared it's head once again!!!) service uses radio waves!! Your I-phone, I-pod and even TV are using radio waves.

When using CQ100 at my QTH, I connect to the Internet using a wireless router. (radio waves, part one....) Once it leaves here, it will travel via satellite. (radio waves, part two). On the return trip, it will travel via satellite and through my router again. (radio waves part three and four....)

But more then that....my XYL has worked as a geriatric nurse all of her life. I enjoy showing the "imprisoned" ham ops how they can talk to other hams from their nursing home/assisted living center apartments without antennas, tuners or amps. They are so happy to be able to make contacts with the outside world once again.

Lighten up and see the positives and the REAL technical aspects behind these services. Maybe some day you'll find yourself in a nursing home and wish to use CQ100, Echolink or eQSO just to have a little rag chew about "the good ol' days...."

73, Bill - WA8MEA
K5END 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.

"Help keep 220 Lid free!"

Uh, 220...volts. Right.

Yep. All lids should only use 110 V input power supplies for the rigs.

...for, uh, safety reasons...yeah, uh...that's it.

Safety first, Lids.

<cough>
KF4HR 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
"Remember 220?"

Shhhhhh! Help keep 220 Lid free! :^))
VE6TL 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
While I'm not about to knock something that the author enjoys doing, I agree it is not radio. The next step will be for someone to write a virtual reality program that will mimic DX QSOs without having to be online at all. We already have CW software that prepares us for contesting by simulating "real world" conditions with several stations calling at once, QRM, QRN, etc. It wouldn't take much to extend this to simulating DX pileups using split.

But we have to keep in mind that this is virtual reality - not REALITY. You don't have to string up an antenna. You don't have to solder connectors onto the coax cable and figure out how to get the wires into the shack. You don't have to worry about grounding your station properly. You don't have to worry about understanding propagation and how to operate your rig properly. In fact, you don't have to worry about anything at all - other than paying your ISP. I suppose this is fine for those who like to be handed everything on a silver platter, but it seems lacking in satisfaction to me. Reality wasn't meant to be easy. And ham radio wasn't meant to be a virtual game.

Jerry, VE6CNU
HAMILTON_EX_W8GX 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Learn CW
N2EY 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
KF4HR writes:

"I can see an occasional advantage internet hamming. Let's say you're sitting in your hotel room on a biz trip with a laptop and an internet connection and you want to check out the bands, or keep in touch with friends on the bands."

The thing is, CQ100 doesn't use "the bands" at all. All of the folks using it are on the internet ONLY. They're not controlling a remote amateur station via the internet; they simply have an interface that looks and acts somewhat like an HF amateur transceiver.

I don't see anybody here saying that CQ100 is bad, or that anyone shouldn't use it if they're interested. What they're saying is that it's not ham RADIO because there's no RADIO involved!

73 de Jim, N2EY
KC2BPP 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
The day I have to rely on the internet to do radio is the day I sell off my gear. And to pay to get on the air is beside me. But if that is what you want I'm not knocking you at all. Keep the RF alive!
AB0TA 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
If there's no RF, it ain't ham radio.

In my world, there's nothing mysterious or satisfying about making a long distance phone call to random people, even if it uses the internet.

Since hooking up randomly with people turns you on, try this great suggestion for taking your "rig" portable. Get an IP soft phone installed on your laptop and go to the nearest coffee house that has free wireless internet. Start randomly dialing toll free numbers and see if you can work the world. Gosh, at least there will be RF involved. And hey, you don't need a license.

Major Armstrong is rolling over in his grave....

K9FON 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
If it doesnt have knobs and a plate and tune knob, tubes, and an antenna hooked to it its not ham radio to me. I have echolink but i just cant get into it.
RHETTDUKE 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
No....I don't think this is pure ham radio because there is no rf under your control.

I do see it's value in certain circumstances.

I think it could be used as a presentation tool to promote ham radio to groups of interest.

This is very similar to playing video games.With some added "features" to simulate changing prorogation....QRM etc it could be a good training tool.

I'm happy the author and others are enjoying it.....I hope they also enjoy other activity's that involve a little RF at some point in their shack.

I for one LIKE having computers in my shack......I like to operate with or without them.

I believe there is a time and place for all modes of communication.
Just my 1/2 cent's worth.

73

de KI4OVO
AE6YB 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

by K8QV

"But it is NOT radio. It is no more correct to call it radio than it is to call Internet porn a love life."

I agree and great analogy.

KC2PLJ 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I also live in a restricted location that is very hard to put up an antenna.I make DX contacts almost every time I operate. I think that a bit more of experimentation is in order here before calling in quits on throwing some actual RF in the air. I like the fact that your having fun with the internet even though others deny that it is ham radio. The portable or mobile idea in my opinion is better than sitting on the internet and playing "skype" all day. (skype is like HF and SSTV rolled into one for the trolls that wish to comment!!) Good luck and do try more options before calling it quits all together with the actual radio part. Take Care. Mike KC2PLJ
KC8VWM 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
"I'll toss one in today and see if it gets published. It'll be my 4th article for eham."

Well Larry, you are much braver than I am. :)

Got hand it to you though for making a contribution so us poor undeserving saps out here have something interesting to read with our coffee...

Looking forward to your next submission.

My Best,

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
K5END 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.

"Remember 220?"

I've wondered if anyone is using that band and I just got a 220 rig about a month ago. The model and manufacturer selection is limited, I can tell you that much.

Turns out we have repeaters here I did not know about.

And I have yet to hear anyone say "destinated."

KF4HR 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
Like most every other topic of discussion on this forum, some may find internet hamming interesting and others won't. Nothing new under the sun. Here's an idea. Use it if you like it, but don't if you don't! What a concept, eh?!

As for me, I can see an occasional advantage internet hamming. Let's say you're sitting in your hotel room on a biz trip with a laptop and an internet connection and you want to check out the bands, or keep in touch with friends on the bands. (Nope, sorry the windows aren't designed to open, and the window casings are made of a non-metallic material.)

Each to their own, but personally I wouldn't be amused with internet hamming over the long term or for constant use. Sort of like Skype with callsign's.

But wait a minute here nay-sayers of internet hamming..., isn't this sort of similar to long range D-Star operations that several are so hyped up about? Perhaps Internet Propagation and amateur licensing consisting of just our knowledge of the PC might be the wave of our collective hamming futures! :^)) Or not.
KI4WCA 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.
I too am glad the author is having fun.But radio, it is not.I know many face antenna challenges, some more horrendous than others, but you work with what you have.If you can only make a few contacts a week, that is just what it is...but the excitement of making a contact off of a piece of aluminum foil, or downspout, or invisible wire or whatnot is vastly cooler than pseudo radio.And paying for it is just a bummer.I hope the author gets excited enough to actually radiate a signal again.Remember, we actually need people to radiate on our assigned bands.Remember 220?
Again, I am happy this person is happy...with his internet chat that simulates amateur radio.But I wish he would actually get on the air, because then I can possibly work him.I did not work to get my license to chat on the internet, and I will NEVER use cq 100.I am a ham, why would I pay for chat?
I worked G0KPW on Friday night on 3799.5.With 100 watts and a 90' piece of wire.He was 59 and I was 56.Over 4000 miles, in late may on 75.Radiating is where it is at, anything else obviates the need for a ticket.73 and I really hope to hear the author on the air de KI4WCA
K5END 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

"So who's writing the next crowd pleasing article?

(The crowd is waiting in anticipation with pitchforks and baseball bats in hand.)"

So funny, but so true.

I'll toss one in today and see if it gets published. It'll be my 4th article for eham.

Oooooooh, I can hardly wait for the flowery responses from the unbounded intellect residing here.

It reminds me of the Monty Python's Flying Circus sketch where the customer says "I'd like to have an argument please," but inadvertently has gone into the office for "abuse." And he gets plenty of it, verbally.

And now life imitates art (depending on whether ones definition of art is sufficiently broad to include MPFC.)
AB7E 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

I'm not sure I've seen an article or accompanying comments that better illustrate the dinosaur nature of many hams today. Not because some hams won't embrace things like CQ100, but rather because people like the author seem to think it is something unique.

I have nothing at all against CQ100 or Echolink or any other internet-based communication mechanism. They may not use radio in the classic sense, but so what? They at least are means for people with similar interests to exchange thoughts and information.

What I find silly about this article is that it portrays CQ100 as something fundamentally novel. That just makes us all look out of touch with mainstream technology. As many have said, CQ100 is simply a voice chat room with a restricted participant list. As any teenager can tell you, if you include both text and voice modes there are literally hundreds of thousands of similar communications venues out there that accomplish the same thing:

1. Internet forums like eHam
2. Email reflectors (mail lists) like TowerTalk
3. Text-based chat rooms like http://www.on4kst.com/chat
4. Voice-based chat rooms like http://www.ventrilo.com
6. RSS feeds from blogs, etc
7. VoIP-capable IRC mechanisms like Yahoo Messenger
8. I'm sure I've overlooked some others ....

CQ100 merely gives you an artificial user interface similar to on-the-air ham radio and if that delusion appeals to you that's fine by me, but most of the other communications mechanisms listed above are just as real time. You could just as easily set up a calling list in Skype and accomplish the same thing free of charge.

Personally, I've been surprised that nobody has tried to set up a ham radio capability in Second Life (www.secondlife.com) .... or maybe they have and I'm just too much of a dinosaur to know about it ;)

Dave AB7E

WA1RNE 2009-05-24
RE: It's just not ham radio.

Once the band conditions are out of the dumper, I figure all these articles about morphing ham radio via the Internet should go away.

If you have a license to operate on HF, it will be hard to justify any of the morphed forms.

Why?

Because small antennas will not be a limiter for working DX.

...WA1RNE
WA7CS 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Let's see:

If I post a comment here, and all of you folks read it, then I can exchange QSLs via Logbook of the World from each of you. That way I'll be able to get a DXCC in a couple of hours.

K5EAG 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
What happens one day when the internet world wide web goes down? How will people communicate then?
Real Radio is the transmission of RF via the airwaves.
Computers are good, but not to replace the Real Thing.
N2EY 2009-05-24
I'm glad the author of the article is having fun with CQ100.

But it's NOT ham radio. It's an ingenious online emulation, with lots of applications, but it's just not ham radio.

I've had occasion to play with a Wii, Microsoft Flight Simulator and other emulators. A lot of fun, but they are not the real thing. That's all there is to it. Doesn't mean they are bad things, or that hams shouldn't do them.

One big application I can see for CQ100 is training - getting new hams up to speed on operating skills before they go on the air. Another is mini-contests at times when there is no contest. Lots of others.

73 de Jim, N2EY

AF3Y 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Glad you enjoy your new little hobby OM, but as mentioned above, more than a few times - IT AINT' RADIO. Get it?? IT AINT' RADIO. Calling your hobby Radio, is like calling a cat a dog, call it what you please, but that cat will NEVER bark! 73, de Gene AF3Y
WB5CCO 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
WAS/WAC via ATT
OLLIEOXEN27 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I mean not a ham in spirit. It's the spirit of being a ham and doing it all without wires.
OLLIEOXEN27 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I tried CQ100. There is no difference in which band you use so having all the different bands is irrelevant. I think the author of this piece is so high on CQ100 he is trying to convince himself it is the same as ham radio.

Half the fun of ham radio is it is often difficult to make QSOs. That's why QRP was discovered - for the fun of the chase.

I don't think the author was ever a real ham.

oli
WB2WIK 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

I don't consider this to be "ham radio," either, but does allow "ham chat," just like we do right here, and it's gained popularity.

It's more "ham" without the radio.

Which reminds me, I'm hungry.

;-)

WB2WIK/6
WY3X 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
No QRM, no signal fade, no static, what's the purpose? Where's the challenge? It's just "pretend" ham radio and should not leave you with any sense of accomplishment. I can pick up my VOIP telephone and do absolutely the same thing, just give me a phone number and away I go! Does it make it radio because hams are the only people you're finding on there? NOPE! You've just discovered the "party line telephone"! I'd feel a lot better about CQ100 (and other VOIP/ham software) if they'd add birdies, static, QRM, loss of propagation, high and low signal strengths, enforcement of license privileges based on frequency, and other natural phenomena that you're likely to encounter in the "real world" of "real radio". VOIP ham software should be a teaching tool for using a "real" radio, it should not be like shooting fish in a barrel! -KR4WM
W4VR 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
There is nothing like real radio! CQ100 is for people stuck in an apartment or condo.
KI9A 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

Just get on here, make a chat room, exchange, umm, "signal reports", and get on with life.

If he likes it, more power to him..that great. Enjoy!

OE5AKM 2009-05-24
RE: Not the real thing!
Concerning the contents CQ100 is amateur radio (ARoIP) and you need a lis for it - not for Skype!
I think ARoIP is part of our future!

73, Alfred, OE5AKM
K3AN 2009-05-24
RE: Not the real thing!

I can "participate" in a "CW contest" any time I want by starting Morse Runner. However, even an idiot will tell you it's not the same. Well, most idiots anyway.

AC7KZ 2009-05-24
RE: Not the real thing!
I participate in fast scan television (atv). I went and bought a web cam, downloaded SKYPE, and now I can communicate with my grandma thousands of miles away.
AI2IA 2009-05-24
Not the real thing!

Because with my license from the FCC I can go on the air, and when I key down NOBODY IS CONTROLLING MY COMMUNICATION EXCEPT ME. This is the essence of my pleasure. I select the band, the mode, the frequency, and the message.

Now when I use the world wide web I know that I am not controlling it. Others can shut it down anytime. Others do all the operations that make it possible for my message to get from A to B. Not that I am not grateful, or don't appreciate the miracle of the web, but here I am just a "user." I am not in control, nor do I build the devices that get me there. On ham radio I make and put up my own antennas. I build my own transciever kits, power supplies, amplifiers, what have you.

No, sorry, but unless you go radio to radio, you are living in an illusion. I don't mean to put you down, but come back to the real stuff and be a real ham. If you have to struggle with small space for big antennas, improvise! The challenge is a real part of the fun. Come up out of the web millions, and be a real ham, head and shoulders over the rest!
KQ9J 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Since my first real dx contact was JH1WIX on an indoor 15 meter dipole running 75 watts, I have trouble believing he can't find anyone to work using RF.

But if this keeps him interested until the conditions improve again, more power to him.

It's a simulator..and I think he knows that.

KC8VWM 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
So who's writing the next crowd pleasing article?

(The crowd is waiting in anticipation with pitchforks and baseball bats in hand.)
KW4JX 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I think it is an excellent article. I bet the VU enjoyed the contact too! When I came to live in America I used echolink to contact some G friends back home who had disabilities, who couldn't use point to point RF, or indeed any antennas. They were hams so in my book that was ham radio. We and the RSGB and the ARRL and the manufacturers should cater first for those less fortunate than ourselves, not be bothered about Extra/Extra licensing and smaller knobs. We also need an article on adaptive technology hardware and software for hams with disabilities please and advice on compensatory facilities for aging hams. How about 'How to grow old with ham radio'?
W2/G3LBS
KT4WO 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
**"Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby"**

I think its great he found something he enjoys.
His "new hobby"... But..Its not Amateur RADIO.

I dont hate CQ100 or any other INTERNET CHAT ROOM and

I will never understand how/why someone cant see that

KT4WO - Trip
W2RI 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
“Qrz, is the frequency in use?”

We can get an idea of what sort of ham the author is from his opening line.

K4IQT 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Trippy, that's great! For those hams who are unable to work the world via radio, this would be a great substitute. When I'm someday confined to an assisted living facility I'll see you on the "air".

Terry, K4IQT
W7KO 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
It seems rather Internetish! You can talk with them and see them on skype! I guess the idea of exchanging callsigns and sending in the \$30 some bucks adds to the fun. Yet really Amateur Radio is Communications! That is what the Hobby is about. So I think it is great if you enjoy CQ 100 73
K2FOX 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Trippy, thanks for the nice article. Glad you faound a way to still enjoy the hobby. Ignore all the negative comments you are reading, can't understand why some people continuously like to rain on other peoples parades. Just consider them as a "fart" that smells real bad at first, but then fades to nothing.

-Jay
NI0C 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I suppose what you are enjoying is a simulation-- much like "flying" an airplane simulator. You get to practice your skills and maybe have some fun, but it's not the real thing.

73,
Chuck NI0C
K8QV 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

I think there is usually a misunderstanding in these kinds of topics.

CQ100, EchoLink, etc. are indeed good things to allow hams to talk to each other. Most people aren't against the existence of new ways that enable us to meet up and chat about our hobby. Nothing wrong with talking to fellow hobbyists however that conversation is accomplished.

The only problem is when someone uses the Internet and thinks it's the same thing as using a radio. It simply is not.
KB2DHG 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Well, you had to figure you were going to get some negative responces on this one... I also am a ham confined to an apartment. I was unfortunate to have to leave my home and antenna farm and move to a restricted condo.
THIS WAS NOT GOING TO STOP ME!
I finnaly got a G5RV dipole up and have been working the world. BUT I also can appreciate that there are simply some who cannot have an antenna and so better than no contacts or ham talk at all, ECHO LINK AND CQ 100 can be the only means of having some contact to Amateurs all over the world.
Yes, it certianly is NOT radio but like playing a video game is not really like plaiyng base ball it does fill the void.

I say WELCOME and enjoy... You may not be raditing the magnetic fields but you ARE talking to REAL hams and that is what it is all about!

PS: As a testament to my persistance, there is always a way to ger an HF antenna to work in an apartment. You have to be crafty!
W2BLC 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Ham radio is all about communicating with other hams for whatever reason.

CQ100 allows hams (the system is for licensed hams only) to communicate with one another.

Many users would not be able to communicate as hams, if CQ100 was not available. For various reasons: no place for antennas, spent all the money on meds, physically unable to have a complete station, etc.

WA1RNE 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

"Qsb? What qsb. No stations fade on my receiver, none at all!"

>>> Very understandable since you are not actually working the guy.

ARoI or Amateur Radio over Internet is, IMO, a figment of amateur radio itself.

Other than the verification of call sign, wires and fiber replace RF so no actual radio contact is made. At least EchoLink requires some form of radio interface to make contact.

No radio = No RF = no contact

As an interesting sidenote, the only difference between using QsoNet and "making contact" on eHam is one seems to verify your call sign and the other doesn't.

So why bother paying for QSO's? You might as well pick up the phone....

>>> WA1RNE
K8QV 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

"Just because the process comes from a different type of media does'nt mean that it's not real."

That is exactly right. It is a "different type of media" which means it is not the medium of radio.

It's "real" and it may be fun, but it is an Internet phenomenon, not a radio phenomenon.

I use and enjoy the Internet chat rooms, EchoLink, the fora, virtual tours, movies, etc. I just draw a line at calling a computer and Internet connection a radio. That's all. Can you communicate via the Internet? Of course, but one can also communicate via postcards, phone calls, and smoke signals. None of those should be called "radio" just because you tack on your call sign to them.
KC9KXT 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
I also Enjoy the cq100 program. Don't let the naysayers dampen your spirit for the hobby, if YOU consider this program as "HAM RADIO", so be it. I'm sure that most of them have watched videos on the internet, listen to the broadcast radio and checked thier mail. Does that make all these "NOT REAL" television, radio or mail? Just because the process comes from a different type of media does'nt mean that it's not real. If YOU enjoy this type of media for "HAM RADIO" then by all means keep doing it. Many have started out either listening to shortwave broadcasts or cb radio. My son and daughter enjoys using the computer, and if using a program like cq100 lights the fire for them to become ham radio operators then I will embrace it. keep doing what you enjoy and if they don't like cq100 then they don't have to use it. 73
K8QV 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

"Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!!"

I'm glad he's enjoying his new hobby, but that hobby is NOT radio. That doesn't mean it's useless, or not fun. But it is NOT radio. It is no more correct to call it radio than it is to call Internet porn a love life.
KA5ROW 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
This Internet stuff is not ham radio. And how dare you say so. Some of you have lost all reality of what real ham radio is. I have a real ham shack "see photo of it at ka5row.com" simple but very effective. I may go a month sometimes without making a contact but it is there when I get in the mood
M0TAG 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
'What is eHam.net?

eHam.net is a community site designed and operated by and run for active Amateur Radio operators (hams).

This site includes: Articles of interest to the amateur radio community can be entered and viewed here. These may be technical, operating or even humorous in nature. They are supplied by eHam.net members for all to enjoy. '

No, this is not about a chat room but about communication by hams using ham radio operating procedures via the internet; not that much different from using an HT through a repeater, requiring no technical skill, is it?

Personally I do not currently need this internet based facility - but I have stored the knowledge away in case circumstances one day might make it useful.

Good luck to Trippy, WD8OEP and the 200,000 plus ham radio operators who use the software.

Cyril.
WX1F 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Why don't you naysayers just stuff it and let the guy enjoy his new found hobby. I swear....you'd all bitch if you were hung with a new rope!!!
L1D 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:

If so, why pay checkout http://www.hamsphere.com/ and do the same thing for free.
WW3ZZ 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Where is the CHALLENGE? Where is the FUN? I will stick to a radio any day and live without sun spots for now. I hope you enjoy your CHAT ROOM.
ON4CCU 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Glad you're enjoying this "virtual radio" thing. In your situation probably a sensible way to communicate with other people, which I can only encourage!

BUT: let's please not call it "Ham Radio". This has nothing to do with Ham Radio and its principles. Remember that Ham Radio is about experimenting with with wireless communications. This is meant in the widest possible meaning, but, IMHO the internet has absolutely nothing to do with wireless (apart from the WiFi connection between your PC and the modem maybe ;-))

As well, Ham Radio will still work when everything else fails, let's keep that in mind, and let's keep our skills sharp by being creative and strive for the best possible radio solution, even under difficult circumstances. Yes, living in a restricted area can make HF a challenge. Yes, the current band conditions can be a bit more challenging. I don't agree however with your statement that they're "absolutely horrible". I personally live in a rather Ham-unfriendly area, but I'm still having a lot of fun (and DX!) without a tower, just 100w and a humble vertical antenna...even with zero sunspots, 40 and 20 can work well for very moderate set-ups.

Anyway...just my thoughts. Don't let these prevent you from enjoying your hobby whatever way you like to enjoy it!

73 from Belgium de ON4CCU

K4MC 2009-05-24
How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
This is not radio, just another internet chat room.

Wendell
K4MC
N7BUI 2009-05-24
RE: How I've Got My Ham Radio Hobby Back:
Trippy, you've opened a can of worms.

This outta be good.

While CQ100 is certainly an entertaining VOIP concept, many hate it due there being no RF transmitted.
KB6YH 2009-05-24
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