By Don Keith, N4KC
www.donkeith.com www.n4kc.com
| N3KBS | 2016-09-20 | |
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| 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| I would like to see Hams stop using that ridiculous "ham laugh" at every opportunity. Heh Heh Heh... So many times when I turn the radio on to show a friend what ham radio is - somebody Heh Heh Heh is doing that Heh Heh Heh fake laugh. It is embarrassing. Just stop talking when you finish your sentence... Heh Heh Heh. Annoying, isn't it? | ||
| W2CQ | 2016-09-19 | |
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| There was a small book written in 1958 called the "HAM's Interpreter By OH2SQ ". It contained all the known phrases at that time. Even foreign phrases and words to help new hams and also foreign ones. | ||
| W2CQ | 2016-09-19 | |
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| COPY THAT...! | ||
| KG4RRN | 2016-09-19 | |
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| I know a former ARRL official who cusses on the 2 meter band (occasionally). Should I file a report? The new hams who are PS officials are also guilty of ham-isms. (copy, 10-4, giving the time in 24 hr time) just to name a few....good buddy. Some hams don't share their lives on the bands-- some share everything like Facebook posts. I'm definately tired of the old men giving their current medical status on air though that has to go ! 73, BOB | ||
| K0IMJ | 2016-09-18 | |
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| actually handle was used by hams long before cb was even a thought Reply to a comment by : KZ5AJ on 2016-07-22 Overuse of "roger" is one of my peeves. I recently heard a ham saying 'roger, roger' about every 10 words. I kept expecting to hear '4 rogers, good buddy'. I also wince at the use of CW terms on phone, 'hi hi' right at the top. What is wrong with plain English? | ||
| W8YV | 2016-09-17 | |
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| Another overused and nonsensical expression is "By Golly". What does that even mean? For further -isms I refer you to the February 1965 QST article "The By Golly Filter" by Eckberg, P.E., WA6VSC. Humorous but so applicable to what we still hear on the bands. | ||
| K5MF | 2016-09-16 | |
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| Ok, so if you are going nuts over this stuff. Whey do we have to say CQ CQ CQ. Why don't we just say "K5MF calling anyone" Why do we use Q signals at all on voice? Why the heck do we even play radio? Get over it guys, this is a hobby where little is done, less is said, and very little knowledge is really gained anymore. If I have to listen to one more 30 minute conversation about someones freakin prostate, I'm going to jump in my mic and go strangle the SOB. I'll take the we, the 73's, the Q??, anyday. | ||
| N8CMQ | 2016-09-11 | |
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| the lossy rf soil is what corrects their antenna 10:1 swerz to 50 ohm 0 phase perfect 1:1 swerz! Reply to a comment by : ZENKI on 2016-08-19 "My Antenna is 300ft high above RF ground, and my tower 30ft high. The water table is 270 ft below me I have a good ground" " My effective antenna height above RF ground is huge, 300ft" The new water table antenna height is the new standard for antenna height that I hear so frequently on the air its spreading like wildfire. I guess these stations transmit special RF signals that magical connect through lousy earth and boost their antenna height. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-08-18 "Posted By WB3X But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM." Burnnnnnnnn..... Well said. Reply to a comment by : WB3X on 2016-08-18 Hmm. I take it you've never worked a Brit or an Aussie on HF. Aside from the fact that 'zed' is a standard part of English for them, it was also quite functional when most phone contacts occurred on HF. With just a little static crash or interference from people who never listen before transmitting, "Zee" might as well be B, D, G, E, P or T. Like most things in Ham Radio it orignally had a perfectly valuable function - phonetics enabled you to communicate (effectively) when conditions were less than ideal. But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM. Reply to a comment by : KG7FIU on 2016-08-04 As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| WB3X | 2016-09-09 | |
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| re: W3CKL "...out doesn't mean leaving the net"... That's true. After the first thousand AIREPS on HF you got used to it. Just like "Roger' means received. Nothing more. Not "yes..." "I concur..." "I agree" . Just "I received your transmission". It's just another thing that came from CW. It only requires one character. R. It's the same reason the expression is 73... not "73's". Aside from its distinctive rhythm, the idea is to shorten things up. No reason to send three characters if you can say what you want with two. When conditions were bad enough we were sometimes directed "words twice". I think a lot (note that "a lot" is two words) of people miss the point. They complain that Hams sometimes sound dorky by using redundant jargon that adds nothing to the communication, and then insist on their freedom to sound like their preferred variety of dork. Hey, go crazy. It's got nothing to do with "word police". It has everything to do with communicating clearly- isn't that what radio was about? Off topic: Most people seem not to realize that the CB lingo was pilfered from the Ham bands back when CB'ers were all trying to treat it as a hobby without the requirement to pass a test. I'd imagine few realize that back then "hobby type communications" were actually legally prohibited on CB. Eventually the band got so completely out of control and unusable that FCC just threw up their hands and said "do whatever you want" and stopped even trying to drain the swamp. Back on topic: One of the things I think is silly (That was the point of this article, wasn't it?) is the operator signing clear of a contact and saying "I'll be listening out". As opposed to what? "Listening IN?" Like many things it's a corruption of something - in this case, net procedure (my old MARS days coming back). The station leaving, with no additional traffic to offer, signed his call, as in "nothing further. AFB2YGZ listening. Out." IF you're done, but remaining on frequency and you want others to know that, why not just say "I'll be clear and listening." Out. Reply to a comment by : W3CKL on 2016-07-31 Just to clarify: In military comms, OUT doesn't mean you're no longer listening or have left the net. It's just saying I have nothing more to follow and the other radios don't need to acknowledge. You could immediately receive an interrogatory or orders that require acknowledgement, and be right back transmitting again. From what I've heard so far, Hams seem to use OUT as meaning "I'm leaving" which, when you think about it, is more literal and intuitive than the military usage. But then, in military comms, you always listen on your nets and you don't stop or shut down until you're instructed to do so. At least that's how it worked in the USN/USMC 20 years ago. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| W3ATT | 2016-09-05 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| If you think you're going to "change" ham radio.. well, I just had a nice laugh over that one. IT IS WHAT IT IS, and you don't have enough years left in your life to change it. Especially with a FORUM POST (still laughing...) And IF you're going to compare ham radio to the 60's that's even funnier! HA! Yeah, ham radio is considered a "service," big deal.. it is still just a hobby. No wonder young people have a hard time finding interest in ham radio... it's full of whiners. If you guys really cared, you would have petitioned your asses of to keep cw a requirement for getting licensed. Now you're trying to keep the CB'ers out.. How's that one working out for ya! Reply to a comment by : N4ZX on 2016-09-05 Oh,please... "It is what it is"...that phrase gives me the hives... So we should all just throw up our hands and accept things without attempting change or at least the possibility of change? No wonder our country is in the shape it is in... Study the '60's... | ||
| N4ZX | 2016-09-05 | |
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| Oh,please... "It is what it is"...that phrase gives me the hives... So we should all just throw up our hands and accept things without attempting change or at least the possibility of change? No wonder our country is in the shape it is in... Study the '60's... | ||
| AD5TD | 2016-09-04 | |
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| It is what it is. My wife has been a 1st grade teacher for 40 years, she has a tee shirt that has that very phrase on it in BIG LETTERS. As for it being "just a hobby", I'm sure you will get those that will quote from Part 97 saying it's a "public SERVICE", but, well, you know.... Bill Reply to a comment by : W3ATT on 2016-09-04 Just as annoying as the cb-isms, are the people who complain about it. It is what it is. Oh, and by the way, this is just a hobby, right? Or am I missing something here. Maybe you could purchase a frequency and start a club of all anti cb-ism-ers... And give all members a ham-only dictionary with pre-approved lingo, jargon, and technical terms. And anyone who deviates from the language choices therein is immediately black listed and banned from the frequency. C'mon guys! It's just radio for crying out loud! Oh yeah, by the way, I have a vanity call. Hi hi Reply to a comment by : KR2C on 2016-09-02 My favorite is when some stuffed up ham is so bent on new guys having a vanity call they have to look it up on QRZ to confirm. Reply to a comment by : KB1GMX on 2016-07-22 Love the "off frequency" one. I bump into that regularly on HF as I like running old gear with VFOs and no digital display. I have those things for when I need them. So... Hey, this is W... Your off frequency. Me: Sorry no i'm not. Him: your not on .260. Me: correct. Him: you have to be on .260 Me: No, my partner I'm talking to is on xx.259953 (nearest cycle!) Him: you both should be on .260. Me: sorry, seems your dial is wrong too your on .260123, come down 170 HZ and we can hear you better. Him: you need to be on my frequency as I'm on .260. Me: I'd like to but then I'd be 123hz off rather that 47. Him: Listen I have a mumble98000 radio and my dial is correct. Me: Ok, that's nice but it must have been jarred in shipping. Him: its always been right. Me: go check against WWV. Him: W... qsy 10.000000 (yes, he said that!) I went back to the conversation never heard him again. I was happy where I was and suspected he was a HT carrying newbie with a vanity call (QRZ confirmed!). Other, tell me "I have a TCXO in the rig", to that its that's nice did you dial in it to correct for drift? Or what channel are you on? I hear crickets. Few understand that all the digits are nice but can still be wrong as it all depends on a crystal time base that can be and often is somewhat wrong. Unless its a sched or a net there is no "off frequency". To some of the other wacky speech that is vaguely cbism, my response is the universal 10-4 good buddy. That seems to correct the problem. ;) Allison Reply to a comment by : KE6SLS on 2016-07-22 Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| W3ATT | 2016-09-04 | |
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| Just as annoying as the cb-isms, are the people who complain about it. It is what it is. Oh, and by the way, this is just a hobby, right? Or am I missing something here. Maybe you could purchase a frequency and start a club of all anti cb-ism-ers... And give all members a ham-only dictionary with pre-approved lingo, jargon, and technical terms. And anyone who deviates from the language choices therein is immediately black listed and banned from the frequency. C'mon guys! It's just radio for crying out loud! Oh yeah, by the way, I have a vanity call. Hi hi Reply to a comment by : KR2C on 2016-09-02 My favorite is when some stuffed up ham is so bent on new guys having a vanity call they have to look it up on QRZ to confirm. Reply to a comment by : KB1GMX on 2016-07-22 Love the "off frequency" one. I bump into that regularly on HF as I like running old gear with VFOs and no digital display. I have those things for when I need them. So... Hey, this is W... Your off frequency. Me: Sorry no i'm not. Him: your not on .260. Me: correct. Him: you have to be on .260 Me: No, my partner I'm talking to is on xx.259953 (nearest cycle!) Him: you both should be on .260. Me: sorry, seems your dial is wrong too your on .260123, come down 170 HZ and we can hear you better. Him: you need to be on my frequency as I'm on .260. Me: I'd like to but then I'd be 123hz off rather that 47. Him: Listen I have a mumble98000 radio and my dial is correct. Me: Ok, that's nice but it must have been jarred in shipping. Him: its always been right. Me: go check against WWV. Him: W... qsy 10.000000 (yes, he said that!) I went back to the conversation never heard him again. I was happy where I was and suspected he was a HT carrying newbie with a vanity call (QRZ confirmed!). Other, tell me "I have a TCXO in the rig", to that its that's nice did you dial in it to correct for drift? Or what channel are you on? I hear crickets. Few understand that all the digits are nice but can still be wrong as it all depends on a crystal time base that can be and often is somewhat wrong. Unless its a sched or a net there is no "off frequency". To some of the other wacky speech that is vaguely cbism, my response is the universal 10-4 good buddy. That seems to correct the problem. ;) Allison Reply to a comment by : KE6SLS on 2016-07-22 Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| KR2C | 2016-09-02 | |
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| My favorite is when some stuffed up ham is so bent on new guys having a vanity call they have to look it up on QRZ to confirm. Reply to a comment by : KB1GMX on 2016-07-22 Love the "off frequency" one. I bump into that regularly on HF as I like running old gear with VFOs and no digital display. I have those things for when I need them. So... Hey, this is W... Your off frequency. Me: Sorry no i'm not. Him: your not on .260. Me: correct. Him: you have to be on .260 Me: No, my partner I'm talking to is on xx.259953 (nearest cycle!) Him: you both should be on .260. Me: sorry, seems your dial is wrong too your on .260123, come down 170 HZ and we can hear you better. Him: you need to be on my frequency as I'm on .260. Me: I'd like to but then I'd be 123hz off rather that 47. Him: Listen I have a mumble98000 radio and my dial is correct. Me: Ok, that's nice but it must have been jarred in shipping. Him: its always been right. Me: go check against WWV. Him: W... qsy 10.000000 (yes, he said that!) I went back to the conversation never heard him again. I was happy where I was and suspected he was a HT carrying newbie with a vanity call (QRZ confirmed!). Other, tell me "I have a TCXO in the rig", to that its that's nice did you dial in it to correct for drift? Or what channel are you on? I hear crickets. Few understand that all the digits are nice but can still be wrong as it all depends on a crystal time base that can be and often is somewhat wrong. Unless its a sched or a net there is no "off frequency". To some of the other wacky speech that is vaguely cbism, my response is the universal 10-4 good buddy. That seems to correct the problem. ;) Allison Reply to a comment by : KE6SLS on 2016-07-22 Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| KB3WGE | 2016-09-02 | |
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| 10-4 Good Buddy Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!! 73's ALL "SPARKS" a.k.a. KB3WGE Reply to a comment by : KH6AQ on 2016-07-24 It's odd that on phone hams will say "hi hi." On CW no one sends that, they send "hee hee." Reply to a comment by : AA4PB on 2016-07-24 Hi hi came about because in Morse it is "dit dit dit dit - dit dit". It kind of sounds like laughter. Like many other things it got carried over into phone when that mode developed. As far as I know, the FCC never outlawed laughter on the air, only broadcasting and music. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 Sorry for the triple post, computer fubar... Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| KW5KW | 2016-08-31 | |
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| I worked for years as a Police Communications Operator for the Texas Department of Public Safety (State Police, Highway Patrol and Texas Rangers) where I used 10 codes for 8 hours a day. Then when I would work a net or public service event, and yes, I must admit that a few 10 codes would sneak in. It's not that I wanted to make a fool out of my self on the Amateur bands but my training and what I used every hour that I was at work would just come out. It also worked in reverse; while on the Public Service I allowed a few QTH's, QSO and QSL's come out and a few ham alpha's squirted out between these lips. You haven't lived until the phone bank lights up after a QSL or QTH comes out... the Captain, a couple of Lieutenants, at least three sergeants and as many troopers who were on duty all call wanting to know what I just said. Not to mention my supervisor and the Regional Communications Manager calling also and chewing me out for not using the correct codes. One night after all the supervisors were long in bed dreaming about how they could write me up about the above infractions I blurted out a "Yankee" instead of using the "Young" that was their standard during a 10-28 (license plate) return. The trooper that I was giving the return to quickly picked up his mike and asked: "Which direction was that Yankee headed?" To which I quickly quipped: "South." We were friends from that moment on! Now since I've retired I've had to work, yes work, at getting away from the Public Service Codes and totally embracing the Ham codes. It hasn't been easy for me as you do as you practice. That's how muscle memory works when they have to handle a weapon or your mouth. Russ PCOIII retired Texas Department of Public Safety KW5KW Ft. Worth Reply to a comment by : K4EQ on 2016-07-22 "My personal is . . ." and "I'm destinated" irk me the most. Then recently I heard the net control on a local ARES net use 10-4 several times. I about fell out of my chair. | ||
| KC9HQV | 2016-08-29 | |
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| I can't stand when someone calls their license a ticket. "I got my ticket in 196?." Tickets are for movies or planes. | ||
| W4AUE | 2016-08-28 | |
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| And then there is "over Over" - QSL? | ||
| W4AUE | 2016-08-28 | |
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| And then there is "over Over" - QSL? | ||
| PLANKEYE | 2016-08-28 | |
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| I read the article and I have read all of the replies. Reply to a comment by : K5KNM on 2016-08-28 Funny how I read posts about peoples disdain for using Ham-isms on the air and I agree. Yet I see some of these posts are using Ham-isms themselves like YL and 73. Do you use YL and 73 in your everyday language when talking to non-hams? Even though these seem to be acceptable it is also a double standard when you are criticizing others using Ham-isms. Why not just say my Wife or whatever the case may be and just sign off saying your best regards in your own non-ham-ism way then your call sign then clear? If we are to encourage operators to refrain from using Ham-isms, then YL and 73 must be included as Ham-isms as well. Ooh, but I'm sure that will be a sore spot with many of you. | ||
| K5KNM | 2016-08-28 | |
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| Funny how I read posts about peoples disdain for using Ham-isms on the air and I agree. Yet I see some of these posts are using Ham-isms themselves like YL and 73. Do you use YL and 73 in your everyday language when talking to non-hams? Even though these seem to be acceptable it is also a double standard when you are criticizing others using Ham-isms. Why not just say my Wife or whatever the case may be and just sign off saying your best regards in your own non-ham-ism way then your call sign then clear? If we are to encourage operators to refrain from using Ham-isms, then YL and 73 must be included as Ham-isms as well. Ooh, but I'm sure that will be a sore spot with many of you. | ||
| KS4AA | 2016-08-27 | |
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| BIGGEST: "OVER..OVER" 'nuff said!! BIG: Trying to chat with DXpeditions without being asked..."Name here is blah blah...Rig...QTH...WX...ESPECIALLY ON DIGITAL MODES!! I don't care what their GRIDSQUARE or country or rig or QTH or NAME is (frown) The DXpeditioneer (like me) is JUST NOT INTERESTED in anything except working as many stations as possible on as many bands as possible in the time available!! And, it seems, the worst offenders are on 10m SSB. | ||
| KI7AQJ | 2016-08-21 | |
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| You are off frequency is just idiocy. WHAT? Are we the bureau of standards now? Am I out of the band or not? NO? Okay, so what? I just found an early 1940s transceiver, made by GE, and it drifts. The ONLY references I have regarding this old radio are all in French, where someone in France found one in a barn that was left over from the D Day Invasion. Yeah, if I am within the band, I really don't care, with a transmitter like that one. The transceiver I am using has tubes with date codes from 1941 inside it. Someone did drop it and broke an RCA VT4-C, which was replaced with a GE, because I did not feel like paying $3000 for an RCA 211 tube. I also like to cook the dust off some 6146A,/6146Bs, in Hethkit, or Kenwood/Yeasu, or the old sweep tubes in late 1960s Yeasu equipment from time to time. Let's see whomever it is with the latest greatest new equipment even tune that 1939 GE transmitter, so he/she can begin to transmit with it. Same with that Heathkit stuff. That old stuff drifts, sorry. If I am still in the band, and I am not drifting down into CW/data only portion, it's all good. I have new(er) equipment too, but I do enjoy my vacuum my tubes. "Hi Hi" gets pretty old pretty fast too! Some guy out of Detroit used it every time he began to transmit. Hi hi, this, hi hi that, and everything began with "hi hi". I was limited to 100 watts mobile, on 40 meters with a Yeasu 120D screwdriver, so I did not have a Chinaman's chance in you know where, of making any contact, especially when everyone else was running 600 watts or better. I picked up a spare tire rack for a Z2 Blazer, bought a Tarheel, and put a battery box with 4 deep cycles, and an inverter down where the old spare went, so now I can run any of my 1500 watt linear amps mobile, now. I have a generator too, but it is almost as noisy as the inverter charger unit, when charging. Oh, and I had my laptop's hard-drive tank during my first contest, so I do keep a pencil & paper backup log. This laptop also likes to overheat, so I keep a paper log, just in case. I am usually too busy to dedicate 2 or 3 days to working the radios. I do like screwing around with the old boat anchors, and keeping them on the air. Collins, E.F. Johnson, THE Japanese hybrids, Heathkit, Nye, Henry, etc. I even bought a 1980s Heath (no kit) SS9000 synth transceiver. No way, would I have ever paid 2700 1982 US dollars for it, but $300 now? Why not? Heath probably only sold 400 of those. 73s KI7AQJ Reply to a comment by : KB1GMX on 2016-07-22 Love the "off frequency" one. I bump into that regularly on HF as I like running old gear with VFOs and no digital display. I have those things for when I need them. So... Hey, this is W... Your off frequency. Me: Sorry no i'm not. Him: your not on .260. Me: correct. Him: you have to be on .260 Me: No, my partner I'm talking to is on xx.259953 (nearest cycle!) Him: you both should be on .260. Me: sorry, seems your dial is wrong too your on .260123, come down 170 HZ and we can hear you better. Him: you need to be on my frequency as I'm on .260. Me: I'd like to but then I'd be 123hz off rather that 47. Him: Listen I have a mumble98000 radio and my dial is correct. Me: Ok, that's nice but it must have been jarred in shipping. Him: its always been right. Me: go check against WWV. Him: W... qsy 10.000000 (yes, he said that!) I went back to the conversation never heard him again. I was happy where I was and suspected he was a HT carrying newbie with a vanity call (QRZ confirmed!). Other, tell me "I have a TCXO in the rig", to that its that's nice did you dial in it to correct for drift? Or what channel are you on? I hear crickets. Few understand that all the digits are nice but can still be wrong as it all depends on a crystal time base that can be and often is somewhat wrong. Unless its a sched or a net there is no "off frequency". To some of the other wacky speech that is vaguely cbism, my response is the universal 10-4 good buddy. That seems to correct the problem. ;) Allison Reply to a comment by : KE6SLS on 2016-07-22 Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| K4JF | 2016-08-21 | |
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| After over 40 years in the hobby/avocation, my personal pet peeve is people calling "QRZ" when nobody is calling them. (I have occasionally reminded them of that.) Next is "73's", no explanation necessary. Another is very prevalent: people announcing that they are here, and expecting someone to call them, when they HAVE NOT called "CQ". If I hear someone say "K2XXX listening", I may or may not call them, because they haven't requested a call. | ||
| N1OIE | 2016-08-20 | |
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RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All Reply by AD5TD on August 18, 2016 Mail this to a friend! "Posted By WB3X But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM." Burnnnnnnnn..... Well said. Actually, follow the logic: the reason they never experience anything beyond 2m is because they get grief, when they go down to HF freqs, for not having learned an antiquated technology like you had to do, when we had to walk up-hill to school both ways and black folk weren't allowed to vote. Frankly, we MUST ENFORCE the most rigorous standards on communication protocols, and there must be no exception. The proper way to write about "code-free license" is just that, not "code free license." The proper use of a hyphen is paramount to proper English; before you post anything more on eham, I think we should make you take a test to certify you know the difference in the uses of the colon and semicolon. Dr Johnson said the proper use of the latter was the true test of literacy. We certainly need to follow what he said, and we most certainly all must have to know how to use some 1910s-era technology if we want to communicate with machines that do everything but make us a cup of coffee when we're chasing DX. It all makes perfect sense! Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-08-18 "Posted By WB3X But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM." Burnnnnnnnn..... Well said. Reply to a comment by : WB3X on 2016-08-18 Hmm. I take it you've never worked a Brit or an Aussie on HF. Aside from the fact that 'zed' is a standard part of English for them, it was also quite functional when most phone contacts occurred on HF. With just a little static crash or interference from people who never listen before transmitting, "Zee" might as well be B, D, G, E, P or T. Like most things in Ham Radio it orignally had a perfectly valuable function - phonetics enabled you to communicate (effectively) when conditions were less than ideal. But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM. Reply to a comment by : KG7FIU on 2016-08-04 As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| ZENKI | 2016-08-19 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| "My Antenna is 300ft high above RF ground, and my tower 30ft high. The water table is 270 ft below me I have a good ground" " My effective antenna height above RF ground is huge, 300ft" The new water table antenna height is the new standard for antenna height that I hear so frequently on the air its spreading like wildfire. I guess these stations transmit special RF signals that magical connect through lousy earth and boost their antenna height. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-08-18 "Posted By WB3X But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM." Burnnnnnnnn..... Well said. Reply to a comment by : WB3X on 2016-08-18 Hmm. I take it you've never worked a Brit or an Aussie on HF. Aside from the fact that 'zed' is a standard part of English for them, it was also quite functional when most phone contacts occurred on HF. With just a little static crash or interference from people who never listen before transmitting, "Zee" might as well be B, D, G, E, P or T. Like most things in Ham Radio it orignally had a perfectly valuable function - phonetics enabled you to communicate (effectively) when conditions were less than ideal. But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM. Reply to a comment by : KG7FIU on 2016-08-04 As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| AD5TD | 2016-08-18 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| "Posted By WB3X But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM." Burnnnnnnnn..... Well said. Reply to a comment by : WB3X on 2016-08-18 Hmm. I take it you've never worked a Brit or an Aussie on HF. Aside from the fact that 'zed' is a standard part of English for them, it was also quite functional when most phone contacts occurred on HF. With just a little static crash or interference from people who never listen before transmitting, "Zee" might as well be B, D, G, E, P or T. Like most things in Ham Radio it orignally had a perfectly valuable function - phonetics enabled you to communicate (effectively) when conditions were less than ideal. But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM. Reply to a comment by : KG7FIU on 2016-08-04 As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| WB3X | 2016-08-18 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| Hmm. I take it you've never worked a Brit or an Aussie on HF. Aside from the fact that 'zed' is a standard part of English for them, it was also quite functional when most phone contacts occurred on HF. With just a little static crash or interference from people who never listen before transmitting, "Zee" might as well be B, D, G, E, P or T. Like most things in Ham Radio it orignally had a perfectly valuable function - phonetics enabled you to communicate (effectively) when conditions were less than ideal. But I wouldn't expect much perspective from folks who memorize enough questions for a code free license, have found the on/off switch on their handhelds and never experience anything in amateur radio beyond 2m FM. Reply to a comment by : KG7FIU on 2016-08-04 As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| WG9U | 2016-08-17 | |
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| Frankly, I understand what you are getting at here. Some of the other posts bring up some interesting points also. That being said, there are couple of things I don't see a problem with actually. For example: I don't see the issue with "Roger" as an end of transmission designation. I may be slightly biased here, but with respect to me, it is an old military habit. As a long time Ham operator, I use it extensively on HF, VHF, and UHF as a courtesy to whoever I am in a QSO with so they are aware I have completed my transmission for that segment of our conversation. It's that simple. Anyone that has been on a repeater should appreciate that since some individuals make it impossible to ascertain when they have finished their train of thought. By that I mean, some people hold the mic key down while they apparently think! I believe most of us know what I mean. On HF it is a hit and miss proposition as to who uses what protocol, with respect to this. Again, I do it as courtesy in conversation, especially if I do not know the individual's mannerisms. As for the "Q" codes... It's probably just a habit with me, but I find it simpler in poor propagation conditions to get my point across. A "Q" code can convey something very quickly when you are dealing with poor band condition. A drawn out statement tends to become more problematic with QRM and such. "Q" code pun intended. Basically, I must be pretty "thick skinned" as I've found that I can deal with most any jargon, or as some have intimated, "transgressions", regardless if it's an "ism" or not. Personally, I find most of my fellow Ham operators to be very fine and interesting individuals on the whole. Of course there are always the select few that tend try your patience, either intentionally, or inadvertently. It's pretty obvious to me that most comments are just good fun or a "back handed" slight. However, for those that are completely serious about said perceived transgressions, all I can suggest is smile, take a deep breath, and lighten up a little ladies and gentlemen. Most of us are in this for the fun and to expand our knowledge base, so as my grandfather always told me when I was perturbed about whatever, "take it with a grain of salt young man, the day will get brighter." Oh, and 73's to ALL :) Yes, pun intended. | ||
| N1OIE | 2016-08-15 | |
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| "Not totally true. Yes, initially developed for CW, but Q codes absolutely DID migrate into the phone world, amateur and commercial alike. I remember Q codes being used while on Giant Talk SSB in the Air Force. Even today, different altimeter settings in aircraft are identified with Q codes, as they're transmitted so there is no ambiguity as to which is being sent to the pilot..... QNH, QFE, QNE, etc. " True statement. Used Q codes on UHF, VHF, and HF in the military. Standardization is key! You know, us poor Yankees have a hard time understanding Cracker English, so Q codes were (and are) golden ... No accents or dialects there. Again, I'm probably guilty of a lot of Q code use, but old habits die hard. I ceased having a name for many years and instead was a brevity code. The q codes help with contesting, even tho they may be more syllabus, because the guy on the other end is primed to listen for them. Just the other day, I had a QSO (con-tact ... 2 syllabus each) with a guy in Martinique. I thought it was cool that we were able to communicate in English, French, and Q codes all at the same time. And if you're concerned that you sound like a nerd by using Q codes, don't forget that you ARE a ham! Reply to a comment by : K9MHZ on 2016-07-22 "So, my two cents: Why are we all using the CW Q-Codes on SSB? We do not need to save dots and dashes to ask a question. "Where do you live?" is just as easy to say as "What's your QTH" and actually has fewer syllables. Further examples are unnecessary." Not totally true. Yes, initially developed for CW, but Q codes absolutely DID migrate into the phone world, amateur and commercial alike. I remember Q codes being used while on Giant Talk SSB in the Air Force. Even today, different altimeter settings in aircraft are identified with Q codes, as they're transmitted so there is no ambiguity as to which is being sent to the pilot..... QNH, QFE, QNE, etc. To your point, are they valued added to amateur phone communications? Eh, maybe you do have a point. Reply to a comment by : AC7CW on 2016-07-22 The language police are out in force... Reply to a comment by : W3RSW on 2016-07-22 "... And there ya go," In completing just about every topic or after ever third sentence or so. Once or twice in a conversation is nice, but there's a limit. Reply to a comment by : WA7SGS on 2016-07-22 Hi-Hi is the radio equivalent of LOL. Given how some folks lack a sense of humor, irony and such, it helps to qualify some statements with an indicator. Rick | ||
| N1OIE | 2016-08-15 | |
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| Btw, y'all should check what "to roger" meant originally Reply to a comment by : KZ5AJ on 2016-07-22 Overuse of "roger" is one of my peeves. I recently heard a ham saying 'roger, roger' about every 10 words. I kept expecting to hear '4 rogers, good buddy'. I also wince at the use of CW terms on phone, 'hi hi' right at the top. What is wrong with plain English? | ||
| W5TTW | 2016-08-14 | |
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| Meanwhile, the speech nazis complain that most contacts don't go beyond exchanging signal reports! Reply to a comment by : N9TA on 2016-08-13 It's amazing what people will find to bitch about. Reply to a comment by : NK2U on 2016-08-12 Who cares about the hamisms? So long as the person has something intelligent to say, fine, I don't mind hamisms. And, for that matter, I have no trouble saying destinated, good word, specific and to the point. I say it twice a day, when I get to work and when I return home. If it doesn't work for you, then spin the dial... I'm destinated! de NK2U | ||
| N9TA | 2016-08-13 | |
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| It's amazing what people will find to bitch about. Reply to a comment by : NK2U on 2016-08-12 Who cares about the hamisms? So long as the person has something intelligent to say, fine, I don't mind hamisms. And, for that matter, I have no trouble saying destinated, good word, specific and to the point. I say it twice a day, when I get to work and when I return home. If it doesn't work for you, then spin the dial... I'm destinated! de NK2U | ||
| NK2U | 2016-08-12 | |
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| Who cares about the hamisms? So long as the person has something intelligent to say, fine, I don't mind hamisms. And, for that matter, I have no trouble saying destinated, good word, specific and to the point. I say it twice a day, when I get to work and when I return home. If it doesn't work for you, then spin the dial... I'm destinated! de NK2U | ||
| N4KC | 2016-08-11 | |
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| Well, I have to admit that is a new one on me, too. But that may be because KAXP2179 (me!) hasn't modulated on the 11-meter band in over 25 years. That does sound like it might be a CB term that migrated over, but as noted in my article, I think we should welcome those who first scratch their radio itch on 27 megahertz...and eventually, in a nice way, help them lose some of the jargon without creating even more over here with us. 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : K9CTB on 2016-08-11 I'm not sure this qualifies, Don ... Yesterday, I heard the term "10-roger" (Ten-Roger) on 75 meter phone - used twice during the same QSO! The two guys were talking antennas and it was a pretty detailed discussion. I'm not sure if "Ten-Roger" is a new ism we have to ditch ... or is it an old one I've never heard before? :D 73, K9CTB | ||
| K9CTB | 2016-08-11 | |
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| I'm not sure this qualifies, Don ... Yesterday, I heard the term "10-roger" (Ten-Roger) on 75 meter phone - used twice during the same QSO! The two guys were talking antennas and it was a pretty detailed discussion. I'm not sure if "Ten-Roger" is a new ism we have to ditch ... or is it an old one I've never heard before? :D 73, K9CTB | ||
| KK4TBJ | 2016-08-07 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| Bad typing this morning...must have brought my laptop methods to my iPad keyboard. Reply to a comment by : KK4TBJ on 2016-08-07 Locally on the 2 meter and 70cm there I are quite a few operators whom have bright their CB language along with them. "Roger that" and variations thereof, along with other CB-isms. Makes me want to move into HF. Okay, good buddy, Rogert that? | ||
| KK4TBJ | 2016-08-07 | |
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| Locally on the 2 meter and 70cm there I are quite a few operators whom have bright their CB language along with them. "Roger that" and variations thereof, along with other CB-isms. Makes me want to move into HF. Okay, good buddy, Rogert that? | ||
| K9MHZ | 2016-08-06 | |
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| NRX.... They're just trying to be courteous. Believe it or not, many people in other countries haven't become like nasty, loud, obese Americans. Reply to a comment by : N4LP on 2016-08-04 Negatory is the one that raises my hackles. I'm thankful, though, that I haven't yet heard "Pository" which might make me think "suppository" and what one does with it! ;-) Reply to a comment by : WB6MMJ on 2016-07-22 A lot of this stuff, that I`m hearing now, is new and coming from CB. What`s your personal, Thanks for the flowers, What am I hitting you with, Waving a hand at you, ect. belong on the CB band. My suggestion is to use plain English. Just say things like, What`s your name? Thanks for the signal report. Can you give me a signal report? I just wanted to say hi to you. Amateur Radio isn`t CB, yet. It will be someday. I can and have seen it coming, through the years. The F.C.C. is doing, to Amateur Radio, what they did to CB, years ago. Deregulation and lack of enforcement are what`s going to turn Amateur Radio into another CB. It`s just a matter of time. | ||
| N4LP | 2016-08-04 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| Negatory is the one that raises my hackles. I'm thankful, though, that I haven't yet heard "Pository" which might make me think "suppository" and what one does with it! ;-) Reply to a comment by : WB6MMJ on 2016-07-22 A lot of this stuff, that I`m hearing now, is new and coming from CB. What`s your personal, Thanks for the flowers, What am I hitting you with, Waving a hand at you, ect. belong on the CB band. My suggestion is to use plain English. Just say things like, What`s your name? Thanks for the signal report. Can you give me a signal report? I just wanted to say hi to you. Amateur Radio isn`t CB, yet. It will be someday. I can and have seen it coming, through the years. The F.C.C. is doing, to Amateur Radio, what they did to CB, years ago. Deregulation and lack of enforcement are what`s going to turn Amateur Radio into another CB. It`s just a matter of time. | ||
| KG7FIU | 2016-08-04 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| As some others have mentioned, I also get a little amused by hams that use "Zed" for the last letter of the alphabet... If someone has a "Z" in their callsign, let's pronounce it as "Zee" not "Zed". As any 5 year-old kid knows, the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced as "zee" here in the US! When one wants to go to a ham radio website, it should be QR "Zee" .com -- not QR "Zed" .com. When one is going to a rock'n'roll concert by that little 'ol band from Texas -- he/she is going to see ZZ Topp -- not Zed Zed Topp -- right?! <grin> Well, this whole exercise has me getting a little tired. Think I'll go catch some "Zeds" -- oh, I mean "Zs"! Reply to a comment by : K3NRX on 2016-08-03 "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| K3NRX | 2016-08-03 | |
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| "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " Ah yes...throw THAT into the mix to get rid of too...First of all, I am not your "dear friend"...Secondly, Many Many Stations Calling....NO friggen $#1+, SHERLOCK...it's a pile up.....but then again, could it be that there are those who feel the need to state this as if to say "Many calling, and I BEAT THEM ALL...HA HA!!!???".....Could Be!....;-).... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : W5PJW on 2016-08-03 After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| W5PJW | 2016-08-03 | |
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| After reading this I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. | ||
| VE7NGR | 2016-08-02 | |
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| KD7AWG: No problem, and thanks for the clarification. I thought you were complaining about the phonetics, and frequently encounter American hams who think that "zed" is a phonetic. An easy enough mistake to make, I suppose. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| K9MHZ | 2016-08-02 | |
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| Yep. "Roger" means "received" and nothing else. In military/aviation speak, "affirmative," NOT "roger," means "yes." The idiot CBers have brought "roger"/"roger?" into their ham vernacular, and it's imbecilic. Reply to a comment by : KG4YMC on 2016-08-01 rodger that, and over , over. gee how many times are you gonna be over ? Reply to a comment by : W3CKL on 2016-07-31 I wonder if, for some people, the repetition like "roger, roger" or "hi, hi" is a military holdover (although we would never say Hi). There were plenty of times we operated using "words twice" when comms were difficult. Maybe that's where it came from and others just picked it up and are parroting it without understanding when it should be used. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KG4YMC | 2016-08-01 | |
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| rodger that, and over , over. gee how many times are you gonna be over ? Reply to a comment by : W3CKL on 2016-07-31 I wonder if, for some people, the repetition like "roger, roger" or "hi, hi" is a military holdover (although we would never say Hi). There were plenty of times we operated using "words twice" when comms were difficult. Maybe that's where it came from and others just picked it up and are parroting it without understanding when it should be used. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| W3CKL | 2016-07-31 | |
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| Just to clarify: In military comms, OUT doesn't mean you're no longer listening or have left the net. It's just saying I have nothing more to follow and the other radios don't need to acknowledge. You could immediately receive an interrogatory or orders that require acknowledgement, and be right back transmitting again. From what I've heard so far, Hams seem to use OUT as meaning "I'm leaving" which, when you think about it, is more literal and intuitive than the military usage. But then, in military comms, you always listen on your nets and you don't stop or shut down until you're instructed to do so. At least that's how it worked in the USN/USMC 20 years ago. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| W3CKL | 2016-07-31 | |
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| I wonder if, for some people, the repetition like "roger, roger" or "hi, hi" is a military holdover (although we would never say Hi). There were plenty of times we operated using "words twice" when comms were difficult. Maybe that's where it came from and others just picked it up and are parroting it without understanding when it should be used. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-31 VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KD7AWG | 2016-07-31 | |
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| VE7NGR: I am fully aware of this. What I meant to say was: QR zed, who is calling me? Which means the same thing, said twice. Sorry, my faux pas! Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| AA4PB | 2016-07-30 | |
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| or it could mean I'm turning it over to you for your final transmission. I'm done with the contact as soon as you finish. Reply to a comment by : KO4MI on 2016-07-29 I try not to get wound up about vocabulary but "over and out" always makes me laugh. Over = "I'm done talking, it is your turn, and I'm listening." Out = "Closing my station" or "Done with this contact" So "over and out" means "I'm done talking so you can talk but I won't listen." .... .. .... .. .... .. | ||
| KO4MI | 2016-07-29 | |
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| I try not to get wound up about vocabulary but "over and out" always makes me laugh. Over = "I'm done talking, it is your turn, and I'm listening." Out = "Closing my station" or "Done with this contact" So "over and out" means "I'm done talking so you can talk but I won't listen." .... .. .... .. .... .. | ||
| K3NRX | 2016-07-29 | |
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| Swers???....I'd never heard that before....now "quer-em" or you are being "quer-emed"....for QRM, I've heard....both of these, I agree do sound silly....but I am all in on bagging "HI" during voice transmissions....I mean, in normal face to face or telephone conversation, do we all say "LOL" when we intend laughter?.....again, silly.... V K3NRX Reply to a comment by : N6BIZ on 2016-07-28 OVER OVER!!! OR E GON OVER OVER!!! | ||
| N6BIZ | 2016-07-28 | |
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| OVER OVER!!! OR E GON OVER OVER!!! | ||
| KC2QYM | 2016-07-28 | |
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| Of course I understand your point. I am not denying anyone's access to use ham radio within the part 97 parameters. It is a hobby and one mustn't take ham radio that seriously anyway. My post contains a mixture of critism, satire, and humor, albeit subtle. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-28 @KC2QYM: Usually guys like you have their own snooty bunch to talk to. There are a lot of lonely people out there who are disabled or otherwise home bound. This might be the only way they have of communicating with the outside world. Not everybody is a "man of letters" or an "orator of the first order", the are just people. They say "hi, how you doin'" just like 90% of the rest of us. I like technical books, magazines, and websites. I talk about what I have learned with others as they pass on what works for them. Don't be such a "Chauncy Upper Crust" and just say hi to your fellow man. Reply to a comment by : W0PV on 2016-07-28 After successfully breaking the big pileup, always always take your time, assume a haughty deep voice, and exclaim to the DX, "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " | ||
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| @KC2QYM: Usually guys like you have their own snooty bunch to talk to. There are a lot of lonely people out there who are disabled or otherwise home bound. This might be the only way they have of communicating with the outside world. Not everybody is a "man of letters" or an "orator of the first order", the are just people. They say "hi, how you doin'" just like 90% of the rest of us. I like technical books, magazines, and websites. I talk about what I have learned with others as they pass on what works for them. Don't be such a "Chauncy Upper Crust" and just say hi to your fellow man. Reply to a comment by : W0PV on 2016-07-28 After successfully breaking the big pileup, always always take your time, assume a haughty deep voice, and exclaim to the DX, "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " | ||
| W0PV | 2016-07-28 | |
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| After successfully breaking the big pileup, always always take your time, assume a haughty deep voice, and exclaim to the DX, "Many many stations calling my dear friend! ... " | ||
| KC2QYM | 2016-07-28 | |
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| Wow!! This one got a lot of attention. Now solely regarding phone communication, most hams are simply boring and never have much to say or are so scared to engage in discussions of any value that they constantly revert to a form of word fillers and call it a conversation (QSO). You know like, QSL, Roger Roger, you're 59, etc. This type of contact is fine for DX contacts with non English speaking hams whose English skills are limited to Hamlish; a form of radio English without having a full English vocabulary. For hams who really have nothing to say and are chronically boring there are the endless, repetitive nets. These nets specialize in a net control operator who often doesn't give a hoot what each participant is saying; for the NETOP it's all about controlling the traffic and filling his log; he doesn't really have much to say in reality as well. The boring participants babble out their weather report (as if anyone really cares), their local gas prices (as if anyone really cares), and tops it off with the statement "Well that's about it from here, I don't have anything else going on and back to NET". It's absolutely incredible how much mindless babble goes on in ham radio phone. This is not to say that there aren't intelligent conversations taking place or guys engaged in special interest discussions, etc., but I must say that hams don't have any meaningful things to say most of the time. As far as the other things that irk me is how hams talk so I agree with many on this thread. Hams say we instead of I, Roger and QSL instead of OK or acknowledged, and the 'There' filler word which signifies a low educational level. OK, so it's only a hobby but guys it's just a dessert out there when it comes to catching a good conversation with an intelligent person. I think there's room for improvement so I am going to recommend that hams expand their reading beyond QST and technical manuals. How about more discussions on the air about Shakespeare's classics or the writings of Marcus Aurelius? Woops, I think that's expecting to much from our challenged population. | ||
| KQ6XA | 2016-07-27 | |
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| Ham jargon should never be retired or removed from ham radio. It is part of the culture. It is one of the fun things about being a ham. | ||
| WB8VLC | 2016-07-27 | |
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| No more of the following words 'CONTACT' and 'PLEASE COPY' No more saying the stupid word 'CONTACT' when trying to break into an ongoing conversation or break into one of those useless dx nets with the same stations night after night. And after the other hams let you into their useless dx nets when you say 'CONTACT' then please no more 'PLEASE COPY' blah blah blah BS. When talking to ROBERTO, I2VRN, on 7.192 MHZ please don't say ROBERTO more than once in any 1 minute period, 10 Roberto's repeated after every other word is simply too many times. Buttering up the dx by saying 'YOU HAVE A GLORIOUS SIGNAL' isn't required either because no matter how many times you have to repeat the dx stations report, he or she will still give you a 59. | ||
| KB6QXM | 2016-07-27 | |
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| The reason why there are so many "cb" terms is that many of the new hams are from the 11 meter band. Once the bar was lowered with less technical written exams, multiple choice, the elimination of the code, the lack of requirement to send and receive CW in front of an FCC examiner, then you get what you get. Granted, we have more hams, but if you lower the standards of anything, then you get more numbers, but then you get people that did not have the discipline to learn CW entering the hobby from the 11 meter ranks. I have seen licensed hams that cannot solder a connector onto a piece of coax, ask people on the repeater " how am I hitting you?" and 73s instead of the proper term of 73. You get people on 14.313 and portions of 80 meter that act as if they were still on 11 meters. Granted, because of the CC&Rs, HOAs and and younger people not wanting to take the time to even take a ham exam even though the standards have been lowered, I believe that in 20-30 years from now when many of the baby boomers are gone, the hobby will be a shadow of what it is today. Don't want to spell doom and gloom for the hobby, but it is what it is. Many ham phrases have history in amateur radio and should not be eliminated. It gives ham radio (especially on HF, it's charm) 73 Reply to a comment by : K1PJR on 2016-07-27 I agree and disagree. It's a hobby and everyone has their own way of communicating. It is humorous at times but that just keeps it interesting. BTW Don, I love your books. I've read four. Thanks! Phil Reply to a comment by : K4IA on 2016-07-27 No, HI HI is the Morse Code equivalent of LOL. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. AD5TD Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
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| I agree and disagree. It's a hobby and everyone has their own way of communicating. It is humorous at times but that just keeps it interesting. BTW Don, I love your books. I've read four. Thanks! Phil Reply to a comment by : K4IA on 2016-07-27 No, HI HI is the Morse Code equivalent of LOL. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. AD5TD Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| K4IA | 2016-07-27 | |
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| No, HI HI is the Morse Code equivalent of LOL. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. AD5TD Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| EA4GLI | 2016-07-27 | |
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| The use of CW terms on HF phone is very useful for operators whose native tongue is NOT English. Many operators from outside N. America, UK, VK/ZL use cheat sheets with common phone exchanges so they can jump in to make a contact... and outside of that list of expressions they have very limited understanding. If you tell someone from a non english speaking country that "59 with QRM and QSB" there is a big chance he/she will understand you. If by contrast you say "Your signal is eight with the s-meter needle peaking at nine at times... there is some localize noise that makes the communication less than perfect, with fading that makes your words not very legible, I turn it over to you for my report." ... chances are the operator on the other end just got the number 8, maybe the nine, fading and report" at which point he will answer "59 73" hoping that the contact has been completed successfully. While I personally agree with some of the things mentioned in this thread I am concern on a very large number of operators that do not even once stop to think how difficult it would be for them if the language normally used on amateur radio were German or Japanese.... Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-27 You are correct, your post is redundant.... Reply to a comment by : W0WUG on 2016-07-27 I read most of the replies, maybe I missed my annoyance but.............. (From the Department of Redundancy Department ;) ), "this is W0XXX for I.D." Yes, that's why give our call signs. 73's on ya', I'm over, off, and in the clear. :D Reply to a comment by : W8QZ on 2016-07-27 As to the QRZ address - based on the FCC database - I've known a number of people who didn't bother to update the FCC data. A no-no, but as with much of the FCC's attitude toward amateur radio, not frequently enforced. So, there's a lot of stale data out there. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 I love ham radio, cw anyway, but as my professional psychic wife says; A lot of those people are very different, just like I am different and looked at like a dog twisting it's head. This thread and it's author is nothing but a book promotion. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| AD5TD | 2016-07-27 | |
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| You are correct, your post is redundant.... Reply to a comment by : W0WUG on 2016-07-27 I read most of the replies, maybe I missed my annoyance but.............. (From the Department of Redundancy Department ;) ), "this is W0XXX for I.D." Yes, that's why give our call signs. 73's on ya', I'm over, off, and in the clear. :D Reply to a comment by : W8QZ on 2016-07-27 As to the QRZ address - based on the FCC database - I've known a number of people who didn't bother to update the FCC data. A no-no, but as with much of the FCC's attitude toward amateur radio, not frequently enforced. So, there's a lot of stale data out there. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 I love ham radio, cw anyway, but as my professional psychic wife says; A lot of those people are very different, just like I am different and looked at like a dog twisting it's head. This thread and it's author is nothing but a book promotion. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| W0WUG | 2016-07-27 | |
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| I read most of the replies, maybe I missed my annoyance but.............. (From the Department of Redundancy Department ;) ), "this is W0XXX for I.D." Yes, that's why give our call signs. 73's on ya', I'm over, off, and in the clear. :D Reply to a comment by : W8QZ on 2016-07-27 As to the QRZ address - based on the FCC database - I've known a number of people who didn't bother to update the FCC data. A no-no, but as with much of the FCC's attitude toward amateur radio, not frequently enforced. So, there's a lot of stale data out there. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 I love ham radio, cw anyway, but as my professional psychic wife says; A lot of those people are very different, just like I am different and looked at like a dog twisting it's head. This thread and it's author is nothing but a book promotion. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| W8QZ | 2016-07-27 | |
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| As to the QRZ address - based on the FCC database - I've known a number of people who didn't bother to update the FCC data. A no-no, but as with much of the FCC's attitude toward amateur radio, not frequently enforced. So, there's a lot of stale data out there. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 I love ham radio, cw anyway, but as my professional psychic wife says; A lot of those people are very different, just like I am different and looked at like a dog twisting it's head. This thread and it's author is nothing but a book promotion. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| W3QE | 2016-07-27 | |
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| I love ham radio, cw anyway, but as my professional psychic wife says; A lot of those people are very different, just like I am different and looked at like a dog twisting it's head. This thread and it's author is nothing but a book promotion. Reply to a comment by : W3QE on 2016-07-27 N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| W3QE | 2016-07-27 | |
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| N4KC Wrote: Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. People saying HI HI in your face doesn't make me cranky at all but it does keeps the psychologists busy---HI HI Reply to a comment by : N4KC on 2016-07-26 Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| WD8T | 2016-07-26 | |
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| HOnestly I haven't heard most of those since my CB radio days in the 70's living in WV. Maybe it's "down south" thing. We northerners don't use those phrases. | ||
| N4KC | 2016-07-26 | |
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| Thanks for all the feedback and new "ham-isms." Some of you, though, are a tad cranky. Maybe try a bit more roughage in your diet. Or at least develop a sense of humor. If we can't laugh at ourselves... By the way, SHORTWIRE, thanks for mentioning my books. My promotion is not really never-ending. A man has to sleep and ham sometime! 73, Don N4KC www.n4kc.com www.donkeith.com Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| KE4ZHN | 2016-07-26 | |
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| I love it when people bitch about others bitching. LoL Reply to a comment by : K2LGO on 2016-07-26 How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| K2LGO | 2016-07-26 | |
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| How about we just RETIRE this article...We have all heard this crap...Ignore it, or get another hobby..Just like in everyday life you hear and read many things that you might not like, and just keep going on !!! Reply to a comment by : KE4ZHN on 2016-07-26 The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| KE4ZHN | 2016-07-26 | |
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| The one that I hate is the guys who end every transmission with "QSL"??? The over use of Q signals on phone is stupid and makes you sound like a newbie. The other one that grates on my nerves are the guys who have to give every call sign in a round table before they pass it over. You're only responsible for IDing your own station...not everyone's on the planet. | ||
| KJ4DGE | 2016-07-26 | |
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| In the 50's SciFI movie "Them" a Father/daughter entomologists are flying over the desert. One in a old Helo the daughter in a Piper cub. So she says "Have you seen any sign of the giant ants Dad?, Over" to which he replies "No but their mound has to be around here somewhere".... The Army major looks at him and says" Say "Over". What the older scientist questions. "You have to say OVER". Why? well that's just how its done :) Great classic Monster movie btw, OVER :) Reply to a comment by : W4HM on 2016-07-25 I hear S10 more and more and also 10-4. And KT4WO stop denigrating southern men. I'm hearing that more and more and more everywhere. | ||
| W4HM | 2016-07-25 | |
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| I hear S10 more and more and also 10-4. And KT4WO stop denigrating southern men. I'm hearing that more and more and more everywhere. | ||
| W4KYR | 2016-07-25 | |
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| Why does it seem that during a contest, stations give everyone a 599? I heard this on the air, the calls have been changed to protect the offender. "CQ, CQ CQ WQ4ABC contest" "Hello station you are 599 " "Again?" "Sorry no copy" "CQ, CQ, CQ, WQ4ABC contest" _______________________________________________________ The worst? "Breaker Breaker Simplex 535 Come on" OK...no , I did not hear this happen. But I'll bet someone said it somewhere. Funny as hell..." Reply to a comment by : KO6FU on 2016-07-25 "Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2." I totally agree Dave KO6FU Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-22 "You are off frequency". I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. I didn't even know that people thought this, and would wonder sometimes why people would call me slightly off my frequency. Thanks to a discussion on eham.net a few years ago I learned about this way of thinking. Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2. Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| K1AZG | 2016-07-25 | |
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| I may have missed this one but one of my pet peeves is "over over". | ||
| KO6FU | 2016-07-25 | |
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| "Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2." I totally agree Dave KO6FU Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-22 "You are off frequency". I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. I didn't even know that people thought this, and would wonder sometimes why people would call me slightly off my frequency. Thanks to a discussion on eham.net a few years ago I learned about this way of thinking. Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2. Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| WD4AOG | 2016-07-25 | |
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| I was created in early November,1953. I was born in August, 1954. Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-23 "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx"...." That is a dead giveaway of a HRD user, it's one of their stock macros. Also, the other HRD specialty, "Thank you for this PSK31 QSO on 20 meters at 0100Z." I guess the other ham must not have realized he was on 20 meters and was using PSK31. Good thing HRD reminds them. I guess those examples aren't really "ham-isms" but amusing to see nonetheless. Reply to a comment by : K9MHZ on 2016-07-22 "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx"...." Yeah, that's very weird. Reply to a comment by : W6ZKH on 2016-07-22 The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KB3WGE | 2016-07-25 | |
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| Well a lot of 'ol radio jargon...I think makes the hobby interesting & colorful "73's" goes back to the days of Western Union & if not by wire telegraphy on paper delivered by the Pony Express !!! As for as the use of the term over when ending a transmission,on HF with difficult & or weak signals I think it comes in handy.On vhf & uhf fm except as before mentioned on HF it is usually not needed.I got yelled at for NOT using OVER on 1 particular HF net ! Well are as operators r as indvidual as their personalities & sometimes it shows in the vocabulary they use on the air...KEEP IT CLEAN GIRLS & BOYS & Be NICE,Respectfully submitted KB3WGE a.k.a. Jimi p.s.PEACE !!!& ROCK ON !!! Reply to a comment by : N6BIZ on 2016-07-25 AGAIN !!! AGAIN !!! IN A HIGH PITCH SQEAKING VOICE LIKE AN OLD WOMAN AGAIN !!! AGAIN !!! AND HI HI OLD MAN LAUGH PLEASE 73 SAID A HALF A DOZEN TIMES | ||
| N6BIZ | 2016-07-25 | |
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| AGAIN !!! AGAIN !!! IN A HIGH PITCH SQEAKING VOICE LIKE AN OLD WOMAN AGAIN !!! AGAIN !!! AND HI HI OLD MAN LAUGH PLEASE 73 SAID A HALF A DOZEN TIMES | ||
| W3QE | 2016-07-25 | |
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| FQN WROTE: The ones who complain about what "jargon" we use are a pain. Use what works and if it bothers you, go to another frequency or turn the radio off. I wouldn't want you to be "offended" and possibly get so upset as to throw up. On the other hand, yes I would. ---------------------------------------------- Like DL0OV who I agree with 100 percent, especially the asinine HI HI on phone and even (IN PERSON); I DO turn off the radio when all I hear are "freaks" acting like they are off planet and why CW is ALL I use these days. W3QE Reply to a comment by : N0FQN on 2016-07-25 The ones who complain about what "jargon" we use are a pain. Use what works and if it bothers you, go to another frequency or turn the radio off. I wouldn't want you to be "offended" and possibly get so upset as to throw up. On the other hand, yes I would. | ||
| KF9MP | 2016-07-25 | |
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| Just use plain English! I totally agree. Greg KF9MP Reply to a comment by : WB6MMJ on 2016-07-22 A lot of this stuff, that I`m hearing now, is new and coming from CB. What`s your personal, Thanks for the flowers, What am I hitting you with, Waving a hand at you, ect. belong on the CB band. My suggestion is to use plain English. Just say things like, What`s your name? Thanks for the signal report. Can you give me a signal report? I just wanted to say hi to you. Amateur Radio isn`t CB, yet. It will be someday. I can and have seen it coming, through the years. The F.C.C. is doing, to Amateur Radio, what they did to CB, years ago. Deregulation and lack of enforcement are what`s going to turn Amateur Radio into another CB. It`s just a matter of time. | ||
| KF9MP | 2016-07-25 | |
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| I agree with what you posted about the hamism about referring to yourself as We. I think some of that useage comes from what is known as The Royal We. I put a link below. It is a common usage some people pick-up as normal speech, but you are correct, it is wrong. Just for the sake of trivia, I think this is where some of it comes from, how it originated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we and... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosism thanks for your post! greg Reply to a comment by : K9COX on 2016-07-22 Referring to ones self as "WE" | ||
| KF9MP | 2016-07-25 | |
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| 'Hi Hi' the morse abbreviation for laughter, but in any voice mode we actually talk with human speech and can tell if you are laughing by simply laughing or saying something like 'I'm kidding but...' but the morse way of communicating laughter is inappropriate in voice modes. Makes you sound like you're trying way too hard to sound hammish. And I agree, saying 'KF9MP For ID' is redundant and poor grammar. It just sounds bad. The only reason your callsign is given is for ID, it is your ID. It is like saying "My name is Dave, which is my name." | ||
| HR2510 | 2016-07-25 | |
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| Here all this time I thought the movie "Convoy" was a training film for ham radio. 10-4 there Rubber Duck catch ya on the flip-flop! Reply to a comment by : N0FQN on 2016-07-25 The ones who complain about what "jargon" we use are a pain. Use what works and if it bothers you, go to another frequency or turn the radio off. I wouldn't want you to be "offended" and possibly get so upset as to throw up. On the other hand, yes I would. | ||
| N0FQN | 2016-07-25 | |
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| The ones who complain about what "jargon" we use are a pain. Use what works and if it bothers you, go to another frequency or turn the radio off. I wouldn't want you to be "offended" and possibly get so upset as to throw up. On the other hand, yes I would. | ||
| ZS6RJ | 2016-07-25 | |
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| Pity the amateurs (like me) who are named Roger. If I had a dollar for each time I get "Roger Roger, Roger, hi hi".... 73, Roger ZS6RJ | ||
| KJ4DGE | 2016-07-25 | |
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| In the final analysis, its a hobby! Reply to a comment by : K6UJ on 2016-07-24 In addition to repeated QSL, and 10-4, another one that bugs me is "roger that" Bob K6UJ Reply to a comment by : ZL3NB on 2016-07-24 And lets not forget those who go "Over Over" and "QSL QSL" on the local 2 meter repeater after each transmission. Argggh! ;-) | ||
| K6UJ | 2016-07-24 | |
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| In addition to repeated QSL, and 10-4, another one that bugs me is "roger that" Bob K6UJ Reply to a comment by : ZL3NB on 2016-07-24 And lets not forget those who go "Over Over" and "QSL QSL" on the local 2 meter repeater after each transmission. Argggh! ;-) | ||
| W7EE | 2016-07-24 | |
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| I have several old qsl cards from the 1920's and all but one ham used "73's. Go to the bottom of my qrz page and take a look. Gary N7DXT and 73's OM Cheers Reply to a comment by : KA0HCP on 2016-07-24 HPM, used "73's" on his personal QSL cards! The very first letter to the editor in QST 1915 ends "73's". HPM didn't see any problem with that and did not edit it out or change it. Let's worry about more important things. 73's bill Reply to a comment by : AD7DB on 2016-07-22 Saying "73's." 73 means Best Regards. So are you saying "Best Regardses"?? Saying "we" when you mean "I" or "me" singular. "Our rig here is a Kenwood and we've been in ham radio since 1939." Saying HAM Radio. "Ham" isn't an acronym. You can say "Ham Radio" or "ham radio" but if you say "HAM radio" it's just foolish. You might as well say, "There will be a N.E.T. tonight. Be careful driving in your C.A.R. to the C.L.U.B. meeting." Related to it, saying "I've been in HAM since 2014." In my experience, phrases like that come from people who got licensed just to be able to carry an HT with their "badge & vest" group. They aren't in it for the hobby at all and usually have no interest in learning anything or going beyond the Tech license. Now, I don't wish or intend to put down anyone who's "only a Tech." That's an accomplishment and a lot of you are satisfied with the privileges. But, I personally guarantee you'll have ten times the fun by upgrading to General and getting on all the HF bands. | ||
| K4EQ | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Another thing that I think is silly, although not actually a Ham-ism, is writing one's own QRZ.com bio in the third person. | ||
| ZL3NB | 2016-07-24 | |
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| And lets not forget those who go "Over Over" and "QSL QSL" on the local 2 meter repeater after each transmission. Argggh! ;-) | ||
| KB2DHG | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Honestly I have no problem with any of them... GEEZE, let it be... If you don't like the lingo, then choose not to talk that way... I have been in this hobby a very long time, it is part of my life, If I were to make any sayings or remarks eurk me then I would just not acknowledge them... Actually it has been so quiet on the HF bands I am just happy to QSO with anyone these days... | ||
| AA4PB | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Even with an old tube rig if you tune in the other station properly then you should be on his frequency. I think part of the problem is that many people think that because their digital dial reads out to 1Hz, they expect their frequency to be accurate to 1Hz. Reply to a comment by : KD0UN on 2016-07-24 This article appears to be reaching a bit for a problem in order to offer a solution. Find any endeavor that doesn't have a certain number of cliches, jargon, and hackneyed expressions associated with it. | ||
| KD0UN | 2016-07-24 | |
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| This article appears to be reaching a bit for a problem in order to offer a solution. Find any endeavor that doesn't have a certain number of cliches, jargon, and hackneyed expressions associated with it. | ||
| AF5CC | 2016-07-24 | |
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| "IMO it's one of those double standards of Ham Radio, we preach about so many different things needing to be precise and done properly but because of older tube radios we give a pass on a rigs being 100hz off. IMHO If your going to use an old rig then invest $40 in a cheap frequency counter." I don't think it is the old tube rigs with analog dials that is the source of this. It seems that especially amongst newer hams, the idea is that you must be exactly on a KHZ, like 14.025.00. If you are 14.025.34 you are off frequency. No, I can be on that frequency if I want, because that is the one I dialed in, not 14.025.00. Reply to a comment by : KD8MJR on 2016-07-24 If a Ham is off frequency and it's a one on one conversation it is kind of dumb to even mention it. Just swing your VFO to match his freq. The problem is when 4 or 5 people are in a round table QSO and one guy comes in and he's off Freq. I had a run in with this once and said your off freq and the guy said well spin your VFO. I replied but then every one else is off Freq. This went on until I just gave up and left. IMO it's one of those double standards of Ham Radio, we preach about so many different things needing to be precise and done properly but because of older tube radios we give a pass on a rigs being 100hz off. IMHO If your going to use an old rig then invest $40 in a cheap frequency counter. Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-24 SM0AOM-the voice of reason! One of the best posts I have seen in a long time! Reply to a comment by : AA4PB on 2016-07-24 I was around on day-1 of 11M CB. Most of the people who first got on CB were either hams or people who had been around ham radio for a while but never got a license because of the code requirement. They naturally did things the same way they had heard it done on ham radio. They used CQ, CQ DX, Q-signals, handle, and ID'd with their FCC assigned call signs. You couldn't go into a store and purchase a CB rig back then so people either used an old 11M ham rig or built their own from scratch. Many of the CBers that I knew at that time were actually pretty good electronics techs (TV repair, 2-way radio repair, etc). Most of the issues resulted from the FCC's bad choice of frequencies. They wanted CB to be used for local (short range) communications by average citizens BUT at a sunspot cycle maximum (one of the largest in history) they picked 11M, a band that supported world wide communications at the time. Then they tried to use regulation to limit how far away you could talk. Reply to a comment by : N9AVY on 2016-07-24 There are many hams out there who use 10 codes daily in their line of work (cops, 911 dispatchers, etc.) and once in a while they slip. Give them a break ! ---- One of the worst which wasn't mentioned was the use of "73's". This is poor English and definitely cringe worthy ... "good nights and best regardses " . Ugh ! I operate a lot of digital stuff and now am seeing it from European and other hams on an almost daily basis. --- "Handle" was stolen by CBers back in the 60's because they undoubtedly wanted to sound like hams. Naturally hams dropped "handle" after that. But 'handle' goes back to our CW roots when "HDL" meant "handle" or "name". Many of our jargon goes back to CW like the Q codes and such . ---- The use of "WE" really bothers me. Back in high school English class I had a teacher who said the only people who could use "WE" were those who had a tapeworm or multiple personalities ! ---- Once heard a conversation (bet y'all thought I was going to say QSO !) between an obvious newbie and an old timer where the newbie used the phrase " the personal here is ____" to which the other guy said he had a personal but it was between his legs. | ||
| K8QV | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Roger dodger. Roger D. Roger dodger you old codger. Over and out. We be destinated. Reply to a comment by : AE5HO on 2016-07-24 Don -- thanks for the interesting write up -- my biggest take away though was to check out your book on Amazon -- I'll be reading it tonight... | ||
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| Don -- thanks for the interesting write up -- my biggest take away though was to check out your book on Amazon -- I'll be reading it tonight... | ||
| KA0HCP | 2016-07-24 | |
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| HPM, used "73's" on his personal QSL cards! The very first letter to the editor in QST 1915 ends "73's". HPM didn't see any problem with that and did not edit it out or change it. Let's worry about more important things. 73's bill Reply to a comment by : AD7DB on 2016-07-22 Saying "73's." 73 means Best Regards. So are you saying "Best Regardses"?? Saying "we" when you mean "I" or "me" singular. "Our rig here is a Kenwood and we've been in ham radio since 1939." Saying HAM Radio. "Ham" isn't an acronym. You can say "Ham Radio" or "ham radio" but if you say "HAM radio" it's just foolish. You might as well say, "There will be a N.E.T. tonight. Be careful driving in your C.A.R. to the C.L.U.B. meeting." Related to it, saying "I've been in HAM since 2014." In my experience, phrases like that come from people who got licensed just to be able to carry an HT with their "badge & vest" group. They aren't in it for the hobby at all and usually have no interest in learning anything or going beyond the Tech license. Now, I don't wish or intend to put down anyone who's "only a Tech." That's an accomplishment and a lot of you are satisfied with the privileges. But, I personally guarantee you'll have ten times the fun by upgrading to General and getting on all the HF bands. | ||
| KD8MJR | 2016-07-24 | |
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| If a Ham is off frequency and it's a one on one conversation it is kind of dumb to even mention it. Just swing your VFO to match his freq. The problem is when 4 or 5 people are in a round table QSO and one guy comes in and he's off Freq. I had a run in with this once and said your off freq and the guy said well spin your VFO. I replied but then every one else is off Freq. This went on until I just gave up and left. IMO it's one of those double standards of Ham Radio, we preach about so many different things needing to be precise and done properly but because of older tube radios we give a pass on a rigs being 100hz off. IMHO If your going to use an old rig then invest $40 in a cheap frequency counter. Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-24 SM0AOM-the voice of reason! One of the best posts I have seen in a long time! Reply to a comment by : AA4PB on 2016-07-24 I was around on day-1 of 11M CB. Most of the people who first got on CB were either hams or people who had been around ham radio for a while but never got a license because of the code requirement. They naturally did things the same way they had heard it done on ham radio. They used CQ, CQ DX, Q-signals, handle, and ID'd with their FCC assigned call signs. You couldn't go into a store and purchase a CB rig back then so people either used an old 11M ham rig or built their own from scratch. Many of the CBers that I knew at that time were actually pretty good electronics techs (TV repair, 2-way radio repair, etc). Most of the issues resulted from the FCC's bad choice of frequencies. They wanted CB to be used for local (short range) communications by average citizens BUT at a sunspot cycle maximum (one of the largest in history) they picked 11M, a band that supported world wide communications at the time. Then they tried to use regulation to limit how far away you could talk. Reply to a comment by : N9AVY on 2016-07-24 There are many hams out there who use 10 codes daily in their line of work (cops, 911 dispatchers, etc.) and once in a while they slip. Give them a break ! ---- One of the worst which wasn't mentioned was the use of "73's". This is poor English and definitely cringe worthy ... "good nights and best regardses " . Ugh ! I operate a lot of digital stuff and now am seeing it from European and other hams on an almost daily basis. --- "Handle" was stolen by CBers back in the 60's because they undoubtedly wanted to sound like hams. Naturally hams dropped "handle" after that. But 'handle' goes back to our CW roots when "HDL" meant "handle" or "name". Many of our jargon goes back to CW like the Q codes and such . ---- The use of "WE" really bothers me. Back in high school English class I had a teacher who said the only people who could use "WE" were those who had a tapeworm or multiple personalities ! ---- Once heard a conversation (bet y'all thought I was going to say QSO !) between an obvious newbie and an old timer where the newbie used the phrase " the personal here is ____" to which the other guy said he had a personal but it was between his legs. | ||
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| SM0AOM-the voice of reason! One of the best posts I have seen in a long time! Reply to a comment by : AA4PB on 2016-07-24 I was around on day-1 of 11M CB. Most of the people who first got on CB were either hams or people who had been around ham radio for a while but never got a license because of the code requirement. They naturally did things the same way they had heard it done on ham radio. They used CQ, CQ DX, Q-signals, handle, and ID'd with their FCC assigned call signs. You couldn't go into a store and purchase a CB rig back then so people either used an old 11M ham rig or built their own from scratch. Many of the CBers that I knew at that time were actually pretty good electronics techs (TV repair, 2-way radio repair, etc). Most of the issues resulted from the FCC's bad choice of frequencies. They wanted CB to be used for local (short range) communications by average citizens BUT at a sunspot cycle maximum (one of the largest in history) they picked 11M, a band that supported world wide communications at the time. Then they tried to use regulation to limit how far away you could talk. Reply to a comment by : N9AVY on 2016-07-24 There are many hams out there who use 10 codes daily in their line of work (cops, 911 dispatchers, etc.) and once in a while they slip. Give them a break ! ---- One of the worst which wasn't mentioned was the use of "73's". This is poor English and definitely cringe worthy ... "good nights and best regardses " . Ugh ! I operate a lot of digital stuff and now am seeing it from European and other hams on an almost daily basis. --- "Handle" was stolen by CBers back in the 60's because they undoubtedly wanted to sound like hams. Naturally hams dropped "handle" after that. But 'handle' goes back to our CW roots when "HDL" meant "handle" or "name". Many of our jargon goes back to CW like the Q codes and such . ---- The use of "WE" really bothers me. Back in high school English class I had a teacher who said the only people who could use "WE" were those who had a tapeworm or multiple personalities ! ---- Once heard a conversation (bet y'all thought I was going to say QSO !) between an obvious newbie and an old timer where the newbie used the phrase " the personal here is ____" to which the other guy said he had a personal but it was between his legs. | ||
| AA4PB | 2016-07-24 | |
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| I was around on day-1 of 11M CB. Most of the people who first got on CB were either hams or people who had been around ham radio for a while but never got a license because of the code requirement. They naturally did things the same way they had heard it done on ham radio. They used CQ, CQ DX, Q-signals, handle, and ID'd with their FCC assigned call signs. You couldn't go into a store and purchase a CB rig back then so people either used an old 11M ham rig or built their own from scratch. Many of the CBers that I knew at that time were actually pretty good electronics techs (TV repair, 2-way radio repair, etc). Most of the issues resulted from the FCC's bad choice of frequencies. They wanted CB to be used for local (short range) communications by average citizens BUT at a sunspot cycle maximum (one of the largest in history) they picked 11M, a band that supported world wide communications at the time. Then they tried to use regulation to limit how far away you could talk. Reply to a comment by : N9AVY on 2016-07-24 There are many hams out there who use 10 codes daily in their line of work (cops, 911 dispatchers, etc.) and once in a while they slip. Give them a break ! ---- One of the worst which wasn't mentioned was the use of "73's". This is poor English and definitely cringe worthy ... "good nights and best regardses " . Ugh ! I operate a lot of digital stuff and now am seeing it from European and other hams on an almost daily basis. --- "Handle" was stolen by CBers back in the 60's because they undoubtedly wanted to sound like hams. Naturally hams dropped "handle" after that. But 'handle' goes back to our CW roots when "HDL" meant "handle" or "name". Many of our jargon goes back to CW like the Q codes and such . ---- The use of "WE" really bothers me. Back in high school English class I had a teacher who said the only people who could use "WE" were those who had a tapeworm or multiple personalities ! ---- Once heard a conversation (bet y'all thought I was going to say QSO !) between an obvious newbie and an old timer where the newbie used the phrase " the personal here is ____" to which the other guy said he had a personal but it was between his legs. | ||
| N9AVY | 2016-07-24 | |
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| There are many hams out there who use 10 codes daily in their line of work (cops, 911 dispatchers, etc.) and once in a while they slip. Give them a break ! ---- One of the worst which wasn't mentioned was the use of "73's". This is poor English and definitely cringe worthy ... "good nights and best regardses " . Ugh ! I operate a lot of digital stuff and now am seeing it from European and other hams on an almost daily basis. --- "Handle" was stolen by CBers back in the 60's because they undoubtedly wanted to sound like hams. Naturally hams dropped "handle" after that. But 'handle' goes back to our CW roots when "HDL" meant "handle" or "name". Many of our jargon goes back to CW like the Q codes and such . ---- The use of "WE" really bothers me. Back in high school English class I had a teacher who said the only people who could use "WE" were those who had a tapeworm or multiple personalities ! ---- Once heard a conversation (bet y'all thought I was going to say QSO !) between an obvious newbie and an old timer where the newbie used the phrase " the personal here is ____" to which the other guy said he had a personal but it was between his legs. | ||
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| Thanks, Don. You have said it well. Let's add "73's" oh, that's been done already above... | ||
| KH6AQ | 2016-07-24 | |
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| It's odd that on phone hams will say "hi hi." On CW no one sends that, they send "hee hee." Reply to a comment by : AA4PB on 2016-07-24 Hi hi came about because in Morse it is "dit dit dit dit - dit dit". It kind of sounds like laughter. Like many other things it got carried over into phone when that mode developed. As far as I know, the FCC never outlawed laughter on the air, only broadcasting and music. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 Sorry for the triple post, computer fubar... Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AA4PB | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Hi hi came about because in Morse it is "dit dit dit dit - dit dit". It kind of sounds like laughter. Like many other things it got carried over into phone when that mode developed. As far as I know, the FCC never outlawed laughter on the air, only broadcasting and music. Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 Sorry for the triple post, computer fubar... Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
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| Sorry for the triple post, computer fubar... Reply to a comment by : AD5TD on 2016-07-24 I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
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| I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AD5TD | 2016-07-24 | |
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| I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. AD5TD Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AD5TD | 2016-07-24 | |
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| I could be wrong on this, but didn't "Hi, Hi" come about as a result of the FCC prohibiting music, laughter, noises etc. on the airwaves in the early days of phone? That is what several of the "Elders" of Ham radio have told me. AD5TD Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| SM0AOM | 2016-07-24 | |
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| Several of the "ham-isms" are really "CB-isms" and show how much amateur radio has been influenced by CB. Since at least the late 60's(as long as I can remember, got my call as a 14 year old in 1970) AR has been using an appeasement strategy towards CB, which has "backfired". Believing that "quantity goes before quality" the standards have been lowered to make it easier for the CB:ers to enter amateur radio. If you listen to 80m SSB or to the repeaters, the jargon,at least here in Sweden, has become indistinguishable from CB. It is for these reasons no coincidence that I, and many others, nowadays have become refugees to the Morse code portions of the bands. There, we usually are quite safe, but when some of the "reformed CB:ers" also become contesters, they operate phone even in these band segments. To sum up,the CB influence has more or less destroyed amateur radio, and the only way out,as I see it,would be to reinstate the Morse requirement for all licence levels. I honestly see no reasons for the ITU and the national Administrations to continue providing spectrum for AR when many "amateurs" see the amateur radio spectrum as just "extended CB" 73/Karl-Arne SM0AOM Reply to a comment by : K4IA on 2016-07-23 I talk about this in my book "How to Chase, Work and Confirm DX - The Easy Way" (available on Amazon). Let's dump: "Please copy." "When last heard." "Roger the 59 Virginia" Partial calls. Improper tailending. | ||
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| I talk about this in my book "How to Chase, Work and Confirm DX - The Easy Way" (available on Amazon). Let's dump: "Please copy." "When last heard." "Roger the 59 Virginia" Partial calls. Improper tailending. | ||
| KA7EKW | 2016-07-23 | |
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| K7LA and W2LJ : Not being as clairvoyant as you Extras, I would just as soon have someone explain that they're giving their call sign for ID, rather than wondering if I had been getting it wrong all this time. It also reminds me that it's about time for me to ID as well, either for legal purposes or simple courtesy. KV4BL : The use of that "dorky" word "over" still makes a lot of sense on HF, V/UHF simplex, and other times (such as HFPACK) when you can't be sure that the other operator will hear that you have unkeyed. With the increasing number of radios which suppress squelch tails, I would just as soon not spend 10 seconds wondering if you're waiting for a response or you're just catching your breath. And I prefer not to listen to the doubles when other operators who guess wrong start talking over you. WB6MMJ : Unless yours is a vanity call, you have been around long enough to remember such operators as "Just Another Clown," who plagued SoCal repeaters in the early 1980s, and the Mexican fishermen using simplex on the repeater inputs (before everyone had PL). What makes you think that it's any worse now, or will be any worse in the future? Reply to a comment by : KV4BL on 2016-07-22 My un-favorite thing to hear is hams saying "over" at the end of each transmission, especially on VHF/UHF FM where a courtesy tone or squelch tail usually suffices to let you know they have stopped transmitting. I don't know where this dorky-sounding habit comes from, whether watching too many old B&W war movies, use in military (Do they really still use that?), or some other source, but it is unnecessary and annoying. What's worse, some newby usually starts using it and the other newbys start saying it, too. It just makes them sound ignorant. | ||
| KA7EKW | 2016-07-23 | |
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| For someone who has been a ham so long, you certainly seem unfamiliar with the fact that the vast majority of ham stations can pick up a signal without being able to reach out to the station which originated it. To be CRITICAL of someone for being proud to be able to do so is kind of stupid. "I have destinated" goes back to the first days of public safety radio, before the adoption of standardized activity codes. It was brief, and (for instance) "Mike Seventeen, destinated" could not be mistaken for "Mike Seven, at the scene," even on the scratchy, static-laden AM systems in use at the time. It also CONTINUES to work well between agencies with different codes. I would much rather hear you say that you've destinated than get several minutes of "The Long Farewell, Ham Version." "I'm good on QRZ" is something that many hams are NOT, for one reason or another. I have one friend who has lived at six different addresses in the four years since she got her license. She's not even in the same ZONE where QRZ says you should send mail to her. "73 and see you down the log book." How petty did you have to become before THIS offended you? | ||
| KB3ZIM | 2016-07-23 | |
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| FYI: On an episode of his television show which I saw recently, Chef Anthony Bordain visited a primitive African village (in Namibia, I believe). While there, he did, indeed, "have an eyeball." Or maybe it was on that other guy's show, "Bizarre Foods" with Andrew Zimmerman. Anyway...it's been done...literally! | ||
| K7FF | 2016-07-23 | |
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| This article reads like a typical 75M QSO sounds. | ||
| K6AER | 2016-07-23 | |
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| If you let people get away with the ridicules jargon then it will continue. Some one ask for my handle is ask them what they are asking? Then they say your name and I say just ask for my name. Talk like you are in a restaurant talking to a stranger. Reply to a comment by : AC7CW on 2016-07-23 Many of us, myself included, won't talk at all if we feel that some jerks are going to jump down our throats about the details... Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| AC7CW | 2016-07-23 | |
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| Many of us, myself included, won't talk at all if we feel that some jerks are going to jump down our throats about the details... Reply to a comment by : VE7NGR on 2016-07-23 From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| VE7NGR | 2016-07-23 | |
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| From K7BAB: "QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed" Nothing wrong with that last one. "Zed" is simply how the last letter of the alphabet is pronounced in the entire world except for the USA. It is not a phonetic. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| W1RKW | 2016-07-23 | |
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| who cares. I'm really, why would anyone care about hamisms. Here's a hamism, how about a splatter proof signal or some audio quality and operating within the confines of the rules and regs. Reply to a comment by : KO5V on 2016-07-23 "You're off frequency" drives me nuts, and very few of the frequency police understand why I'm not, so I've given up trying to explain, and politely just end the conversation. "Destinated" and CB lingo in general are irritating as well. I did have one really nice fellow, a new ham who used some CB lingo, complain that he was having a hard time getting anyone to talk to him. I politely explained that hams didn't use CB terminology, and that he would probably have better luck if he just used plain language. He actually thanked me for the constructive and not hostile criticism, and we had a nice chat. BTW, my dad was licensed in the early 50's, and he always used "handle" for name. I am guilty of using Q codes for certain things, (mainly QSO, QRZ, QSL, QRM, QRN, QSB, QSY), and will probably continue to do so. I have also been know to exclaim "Roger, roger!" after a completing a particularly difficult exchange with a new or rare one! 73 to all, Jim KO5V | ||
| KO5V | 2016-07-23 | |
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| "You're off frequency" drives me nuts, and very few of the frequency police understand why I'm not, so I've given up trying to explain, and politely just end the conversation. "Destinated" and CB lingo in general are irritating as well. I did have one really nice fellow, a new ham who used some CB lingo, complain that he was having a hard time getting anyone to talk to him. I politely explained that hams didn't use CB terminology, and that he would probably have better luck if he just used plain language. He actually thanked me for the constructive and not hostile criticism, and we had a nice chat. BTW, my dad was licensed in the early 50's, and he always used "handle" for name. I am guilty of using Q codes for certain things, (mainly QSO, QRZ, QSL, QRM, QRN, QSB, QSY), and will probably continue to do so. I have also been know to exclaim "Roger, roger!" after a completing a particularly difficult exchange with a new or rare one! 73 to all, Jim KO5V | ||
| KC5JPZ | 2016-07-23 | |
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| Calling telegraph "CW" should become a thing of the past. I intend to never use "CW", but I do intend to transmit and receive telegraph signals. Calling ARS operators "Hams" should be seen as the insult that it is. I will not insult you by calling you a "ham" because you are an ARS operator. "Hams" are very much like CB operators because they use stupid jargon that should not be used. | ||
| WA2ISE | 2016-07-23 | |
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| “If I can hear ‘em, I can work ‘em.” Not me, think my station is more like a rabbit than an alligator. I hear lots of stuff I can't work, with my 100W into an old vertical. | ||
| K9CTB | 2016-07-23 | |
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| Very humorous article. A bit of overreacting on some things, spot on for others. 1) "Good on QRZ" - is a throwback to "I'm good in the callbook". Some of us actually remember callbooks. They were published annually with supplements. People do move in the span of a calendar year. Some hams (horrors!) don't use the internet and don't necessarily update QRZ. Many addresses on QRZ are patently false because people don't want to be tracked. So yeah, "I'm good on ..." is valid. You might not otherwise know, and your full-color $2.00 QSL card and IRC wind up in the dust bin you were talking about in your title!! 2) "We don't have propagation today..." Ah, you're pushing the grammar Nazi thing here doncha think? Sure, the better statement might be, "Gee, Bill, band conditions aren't the best today .... maybe tomorrow will be a little better?" 3) "OM, you're about 200 Hz high" ... that's probably only heard on nets, where it is a valid concern. Many nets meet on a specific frequency, "plus-or-minus QRM" and if one station is off frequency, even though his audio is still intelligible, if he tries to pass a message in a data mode, he's gonna gum up the net. You'd probably care more about this if you were interested in emergency communications, especially if you might be operating with actual emergency professionals ... but for the standard rag-chewer ... yeah .... "I'm not off frequency ... just dial me in, Bill!" - and that oughtta do it. :) Now I gotta go out and buy a couple of books. Thanks! Hehe -- again, great article. 73, K9CTB PS - Peter, DL8OV - Hehehehe!!!! "Short wire or short fuse? For starters it's Aspergers and not Asbergers and if you've ever seen a meth user you'll know how inaccurate your second comment is. As for the books, they're good reading. Ask your Mom to read one at bedtime for you." | ||
| DL8OV | 2016-07-23 | |
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| Short wire or short fuse? For starters it's Aspergers and not Asbergers and if you've ever seen a meth user you'll know how inaccurate your second comment is. As for the books, they're good reading. Ask your Mom to read one at bedtime for you. Peter DL8OV Reply to a comment by : SHORTWIRE on 2016-07-23 That is the worst article I have read in quite a while. It sounds like it was written by an Asberger on Meth! Right apart from the never ending self promotion of his books. When talking about things whose absence would promote AR, this author is right at the top of the list! | ||
| SHORTWIRE | 2016-07-23 | |
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| That is the worst article I have read in quite a while. It sounds like it was written by an Asberger on Meth! Right apart from the never ending self promotion of his books. When talking about things whose absence would promote AR, this author is right at the top of the list! | ||
| AF7EC | 2016-07-23 | |
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| On July 22, 2016 Don Keith, N4KC said: "I am aware that it is possible that someone’s contact info can be outdated on the QRZ.com web site. Maybe he has to move frequently, trying to stay a step ahead of the law. Or bill collectors. Or the Immigration and Naturalization Service. But if he is on the lam, I doubt he has sufficient time to do any serious hamming." Hahahahahaha -- I love it! :) | ||
| LONESTRANGER | 2016-07-23 | |
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| How about "kinda"? Well, we KINDA like the FT-450.. we kinda like living here.. I'm kinda pregnant.. | ||
| WB4M | 2016-07-23 | |
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| "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx"...." That is a dead giveaway of a HRD user, it's one of their stock macros. Also, the other HRD specialty, "Thank you for this PSK31 QSO on 20 meters at 0100Z." I guess the other ham must not have realized he was on 20 meters and was using PSK31. Good thing HRD reminds them. I guess those examples aren't really "ham-isms" but amusing to see nonetheless. Reply to a comment by : K9MHZ on 2016-07-22 "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx"...." Yeah, that's very weird. Reply to a comment by : W6ZKH on 2016-07-22 The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KA4KOE | 2016-07-23 | |
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| When someone wants to break-in to an on-going QSO, occasionally I'll reply "Gourd Head". I guess this makes me Eeee-viiiiilllllllll. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AF5CC | 2016-07-23 | |
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| " I know; maybe we can just give everyone a ham license with their birth certificate..." Even if we did that, some, including CQ magazine, would claim that the test is too hard. Reply to a comment by : KA2PBO on 2016-07-23 So new hams no longer have to learn the code. They no longer have to know electronics or how their "rigs" work. They memorize a few question pool answers and get instant callsigns. Now we are worried about offending them with our lingo? I know some folks are offended by English being the language in the U.S. so I guess this isn't too far fetched. I know; maybe we can just give everyone a ham license with their birth certificate... printed in the language they find least offensive , as part of their birth rights and citizenship. | ||
| K0JEG | 2016-07-23 | |
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| "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? " Back when I ran DigiPan I modified my brag file to make fun of the canned macros, including an "incept" date that no one understood (Bladerunner reference) and such useful information such as "radio: Yes, Antenna: one." Reply to a comment by : W6ZKH on 2016-07-22 The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KB1GMX | 2016-07-23 | |
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| In the end of it all.... Hams, us amateurs are people and as such we bring a multitude of language and personality to the hobby. Its great when its natural and funny when forced. Those oddities and characters can be great fun to pick on. In spite of that or just maybe because of it the hobby is still great and growing. You can complain and pick but then its always been that way. And to just raise some hair... Short trees ya'all Allison Reply to a comment by : KA2PBO on 2016-07-23 So new hams no longer have to learn the code. They no longer have to know electronics or how their "rigs" work. They memorize a few question pool answers and get instant callsigns. Now we are worried about offending them with our lingo? I know some folks are offended by English being the language in the U.S. so I guess this isn't too far fetched. I know; maybe we can just give everyone a ham license with their birth certificate... printed in the language they find least offensive , as part of their birth rights and citizenship. | ||
| KA2PBO | 2016-07-23 | |
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| So new hams no longer have to learn the code. They no longer have to know electronics or how their "rigs" work. They memorize a few question pool answers and get instant callsigns. Now we are worried about offending them with our lingo? I know some folks are offended by English being the language in the U.S. so I guess this isn't too far fetched. I know; maybe we can just give everyone a ham license with their birth certificate... printed in the language they find least offensive , as part of their birth rights and citizenship. | ||
| NU1O | 2016-07-23 | |
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| As you stated all groups develop specialized language. Doctors, lawyers, and athletes all have their own words and phrases and amateurs radio ops are no different. These terms bring cohesion and a sense of belonging to the group. We've done as much as we can to make it easy for non-hams to enter the hobby by eliminating code and making the tests a memory exercise. Some of the examples you cited were probably heard once and some are overused, however, the least we can expect of newcomers is that they learn our argot or lingo. | ||
| KF4HR | 2016-07-23 | |
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| 73 vs 73's? Too many Hi's? etc... Best not to take this stuff too seriously. Next thing ya know one might start wondering why 99% of the conversations on ham radio are even necessary. Reply to a comment by : KJ4DGE on 2016-07-23 Great article Don! Another not used that I have yet to here (God bless our truckers) is "Down and gone" or "See you on the flip side" If you really want "My personal", you better be female and have fresh breath! Over and out! KJ4DGE Reply to a comment by : ONAIR on 2016-07-22 What really got me recently was the ham on 75 meters who actually called someone a "mud duck"!!! :) Reply to a comment by : KM6CQ on 2016-07-22 You did not mention this self fulfilling prophecy. "This is KM6CQ for ID" | ||
| KJ4DGE | 2016-07-23 | |
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| Great article Don! Another not used that I have yet to here (God bless our truckers) is "Down and gone" or "See you on the flip side" If you really want "My personal", you better be female and have fresh breath! Over and out! KJ4DGE Reply to a comment by : ONAIR on 2016-07-22 What really got me recently was the ham on 75 meters who actually called someone a "mud duck"!!! :) Reply to a comment by : KM6CQ on 2016-07-22 You did not mention this self fulfilling prophecy. "This is KM6CQ for ID" | ||
| ONAIR | 2016-07-22 | |
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| What really got me recently was the ham on 75 meters who actually called someone a "mud duck"!!! :) Reply to a comment by : KM6CQ on 2016-07-22 You did not mention this self fulfilling prophecy. "This is KM6CQ for ID" | ||
| KM6CQ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| You did not mention this self fulfilling prophecy. "This is KM6CQ for ID" | ||
| WB4TJH | 2016-07-22 | |
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| KT4WO.....Before you criticize someone else's educational level, I would advise you to first learn the difference between "strait" and "straight". Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| K9MHZ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "Saying "73's." 73 means Best Regards. So are you saying "Best Regardses"??" Ha, yep. Or: "Very best 73s" which translates to "Very best best regardses." Now, that's a sincere signoff! Reply to a comment by : AD7DB on 2016-07-22 Saying "73's." 73 means Best Regards. So are you saying "Best Regardses"?? Saying "we" when you mean "I" or "me" singular. "Our rig here is a Kenwood and we've been in ham radio since 1939." Saying HAM Radio. "Ham" isn't an acronym. You can say "Ham Radio" or "ham radio" but if you say "HAM radio" it's just foolish. You might as well say, "There will be a N.E.T. tonight. Be careful driving in your C.A.R. to the C.L.U.B. meeting." Related to it, saying "I've been in HAM since 2014." In my experience, phrases like that come from people who got licensed just to be able to carry an HT with their "badge & vest" group. They aren't in it for the hobby at all and usually have no interest in learning anything or going beyond the Tech license. Now, I don't wish or intend to put down anyone who's "only a Tech." That's an accomplishment and a lot of you are satisfied with the privileges. But, I personally guarantee you'll have ten times the fun by upgrading to General and getting on all the HF bands. | ||
| K9MHZ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx"...." Yeah, that's very weird. Reply to a comment by : W6ZKH on 2016-07-22 The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| W6ZKH | 2016-07-22 | |
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| The one that gets me is what you see on the Digital mode, where they were "created in 19xx".... Are you sure they werent hatched, or some other means of creation? Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| AF5CC | 2016-07-22 | |
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| I got my new issue of QST the other day, whoops we are not on CW. I got my new issue of "Calling all hams" recently, and it got me thinking about a topic I saw on "whoiscallingme.com" concerning LOTW vs paper "I acknowledge receipt" cards for awards. Reply to a comment by : KD7AWG on 2016-07-22 Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| KD7AWG | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Let’s see some of these from my father’s day: Barefoot, No Linear amplifier (CF: CB lingo “shoes”); Fine Business O(ld) M(an), That’s swell; Full gallon, 1 KW amplifier; All the Q-codes that would be better said in plain language; the rig here is a_____= makes me think of a semi; QR Mary, QR Nancy and QR zed; double L, phone call; using mixed phonetics (from WWII to NATO) or “words twice” with common names when the signals are 20db over S9 (another phrase that needs to go); fried eggs, weak signal (I still use this one from FM broadcast days). | ||
| K9MHZ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "So, my two cents: Why are we all using the CW Q-Codes on SSB? We do not need to save dots and dashes to ask a question. "Where do you live?" is just as easy to say as "What's your QTH" and actually has fewer syllables. Further examples are unnecessary." Not totally true. Yes, initially developed for CW, but Q codes absolutely DID migrate into the phone world, amateur and commercial alike. I remember Q codes being used while on Giant Talk SSB in the Air Force. Even today, different altimeter settings in aircraft are identified with Q codes, as they're transmitted so there is no ambiguity as to which is being sent to the pilot..... QNH, QFE, QNE, etc. To your point, are they valued added to amateur phone communications? Eh, maybe you do have a point. Reply to a comment by : AC7CW on 2016-07-22 The language police are out in force... Reply to a comment by : W3RSW on 2016-07-22 "... And there ya go," In completing just about every topic or after ever third sentence or so. Once or twice in a conversation is nice, but there's a limit. Reply to a comment by : WA7SGS on 2016-07-22 Hi-Hi is the radio equivalent of LOL. Given how some folks lack a sense of humor, irony and such, it helps to qualify some statements with an indicator. Rick | ||
| AC7CW | 2016-07-22 | |
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| The language police are out in force... Reply to a comment by : W3RSW on 2016-07-22 "... And there ya go," In completing just about every topic or after ever third sentence or so. Once or twice in a conversation is nice, but there's a limit. Reply to a comment by : WA7SGS on 2016-07-22 Hi-Hi is the radio equivalent of LOL. Given how some folks lack a sense of humor, irony and such, it helps to qualify some statements with an indicator. Rick | ||
| W3RSW | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "... And there ya go," In completing just about every topic or after ever third sentence or so. Once or twice in a conversation is nice, but there's a limit. Reply to a comment by : WA7SGS on 2016-07-22 Hi-Hi is the radio equivalent of LOL. Given how some folks lack a sense of humor, irony and such, it helps to qualify some statements with an indicator. Rick | ||
| WA2DTW | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "My handle is..." was ham lingo long before CB existed. Reply to a comment by : KJ3P on 2016-07-22 On September 11, 1958, the FCC created the 11-meter Citizens Band. Eight days later, I received my very first ham license, a Novice ticket, so I have an historical perspective on the subject. Ham radios then had the 10/11 meter band clearly marked on their front panels, and there was, to put it lightly, much resentment in the ham ranks for anything that even hinted "CB" because "we was robbed!" This resentment certainly included any words, phrases and practices that were used on CB. I remember those youthful days vividly, although I remember thinking that 11 meters wasn't much of a loss. So, with this as my history, I still get a bit if a twinge when I hear "my personal is..." or "my handle is...". "My personal..." is relatively recent, but back in the day, actually saying "my handle" on the air got you an instant cold shoulder, although I'll admit that, with the passage of time, "handle" has become semi-accepted on the ham bands. "I'm destinated" reared its ugly head very early in repeater-dom. I remember mildly challenging someone when I first heard the word in the early 70's, and he couldn't see anything wrong with it. Go figure. Thanks for an enjoyable read, good luck with your books, and thanks for caring about ham radio! --Jim KJ3P | ||
| K9COX | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Referring to ones self as "WE" | ||
| KI5IO | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Don, I thoroughly enjoy your books and this post to further amplify that book (PUN INTENDED) is excellent. Comments from readers are great and more data for a new book for you. Excellent and most appreciated. | ||
| KQ4YA | 2016-07-22 | |
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| When it comes to SSB the truth is that almost all of the jargon isn't needed and sort of stupid. Hams of my generation (including me) will continue to use a lot of it. I can't imagine, for instance, not using 73 or QSO or QRN and QRM. But that only means I'm old and grew up doing things that way - all that will pop out of my mouth automatically. But it would be great - again I'm talking SSB - if people just talked the way they would if meeting at a coffee shop. | ||
| W7KB | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Another phrase that needs to be dropped from the Amateur Radio vernacular is "working conditions" I never thought we would be giving worksite assessment of terrain,hazards,or weather forecasts to describe the transceivers and antennas used to make our qso's. | ||
| KI7DG | 2016-07-22 | |
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| How about the person who finishes each sentence with "QSL". My reply is yes I will QSL just send me a SASE. After about the third time he does that and I keep making the same reply the QSLing stops. Some times the more dense ones never get it. And then their is the old ham expression taken over by the CBers what is your handle? My reply is tea pots have handles my name is Chuck. | ||
| W2LJ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Sorry K7LA - I didn't see your post - didn't mean to steal your thunder - obviously, I agree! Reply to a comment by : W2LJ on 2016-07-22 "For ID" - as in a Ham on a VHF/UHF repeater, who throws out his call sign followed by the words "For ID". Yes, I think we all pretty much figured out why you announced your call. | ||
| W2LJ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "For ID" - as in a Ham on a VHF/UHF repeater, who throws out his call sign followed by the words "For ID". Yes, I think we all pretty much figured out why you announced your call. | ||
| WB6MMJ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| A lot of this stuff, that I`m hearing now, is new and coming from CB. What`s your personal, Thanks for the flowers, What am I hitting you with, Waving a hand at you, ect. belong on the CB band. My suggestion is to use plain English. Just say things like, What`s your name? Thanks for the signal report. Can you give me a signal report? I just wanted to say hi to you. Amateur Radio isn`t CB, yet. It will be someday. I can and have seen it coming, through the years. The F.C.C. is doing, to Amateur Radio, what they did to CB, years ago. Deregulation and lack of enforcement are what`s going to turn Amateur Radio into another CB. It`s just a matter of time. | ||
| KD7YVV | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Since my YL and I are both licensed, and I'm usually with her, I use "we". Now, a friend of mine, KD7WGN gave me the on-air designation of "The Borg" in reference to my love of Star Trek, so... We are the Borg. Resistance is futile unless it's 50 ohms. Language is always evolving, and while the original meaning of words may fall into obscurity, it can be fun to throw a monkey wrench into the works once in a while. I was "rail-mobile" and was talking to a ham on a repeater. When he asked what I meant, I told him I was doing 110 MPH on the Acela Express. It was a nice conversation before the train was out of range of the repeater. I have another friend, if you ask him where he's from, he'll say "Grover's Mill NJ, born there in 1938." One phrase I'd like to see fade into the past is "catch you later". I don't know about anyone else but no one has thrown any hams at me lately. Thanks for the smile, well written article. 73' Goin' that-a-way.... ;) Reply to a comment by : KB1GMX on 2016-07-22 IT just gets worse. Str8t.... whn u r txt on cell, that's how the 3l1t3 (elite) do it. (text internetisms, bah). I hate the roger thing too. But for repeater conversations over to xyz (name or call) works to keep the rotation sane, especially when mobile. The CQ "you want to be a lid" that takes me back some and I remember it well. It was seriously funny. Allison Reply to a comment by : KV4BL on 2016-07-22 My un-favorite thing to hear is hams saying "over" at the end of each transmission, especially on VHF/UHF FM where a courtesy tone or squelch tail usually suffices to let you know they have stopped transmitting. I don't know where this dorky-sounding habit comes from, whether watching too many old B&W war movies, use in military (Do they really still use that?), or some other source, but it is unnecessary and annoying. What's worse, some newby usually starts using it and the other newbys start saying it, too. It just makes them sound ignorant. | ||
| KB1GMX | 2016-07-22 | |
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| IT just gets worse. Str8t.... whn u r txt on cell, that's how the 3l1t3 (elite) do it. (text internetisms, bah). I hate the roger thing too. But for repeater conversations over to xyz (name or call) works to keep the rotation sane, especially when mobile. The CQ "you want to be a lid" that takes me back some and I remember it well. It was seriously funny. Allison Reply to a comment by : KV4BL on 2016-07-22 My un-favorite thing to hear is hams saying "over" at the end of each transmission, especially on VHF/UHF FM where a courtesy tone or squelch tail usually suffices to let you know they have stopped transmitting. I don't know where this dorky-sounding habit comes from, whether watching too many old B&W war movies, use in military (Do they really still use that?), or some other source, but it is unnecessary and annoying. What's worse, some newby usually starts using it and the other newbys start saying it, too. It just makes them sound ignorant. | ||
| KV4BL | 2016-07-22 | |
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| My un-favorite thing to hear is hams saying "over" at the end of each transmission, especially on VHF/UHF FM where a courtesy tone or squelch tail usually suffices to let you know they have stopped transmitting. I don't know where this dorky-sounding habit comes from, whether watching too many old B&W war movies, use in military (Do they really still use that?), or some other source, but it is unnecessary and annoying. What's worse, some newby usually starts using it and the other newbys start saying it, too. It just makes them sound ignorant. | ||
| W4KVW | 2016-07-22 | |
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RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All Reply by KT4WO on July 22, 2016 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. LOL.It's really funny when you put them down about their spelling Thomas when you should check your own.I'm guessing that STRAIT is STRAIGHT to most of the world that can spell? LOL Bet you feel really Extra Class smart now right? hehe haha {:>) Clayton W4KVW Reply to a comment by : WS4E on 2016-07-22 >I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. That one is obvious. Digital dials. Now we have "numbers" on a display so they have to be neat and tidy and even. When you have an analog dial you just sorta estimate what frequency you are on and don't worry about it. Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-22 "You are off frequency". I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. I didn't even know that people thought this, and would wonder sometimes why people would call me slightly off my frequency. Thanks to a discussion on eham.net a few years ago I learned about this way of thinking. Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2. Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| K7LA | 2016-07-22 | |
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| I'd like to see the phrase "(callsign) for I.D." disappear on phone. Why else would you give your call? | ||
| WS4E | 2016-07-22 | |
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| >I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. That one is obvious. Digital dials. Now we have "numbers" on a display so they have to be neat and tidy and even. When you have an analog dial you just sorta estimate what frequency you are on and don't worry about it. Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-22 "You are off frequency". I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. I didn't even know that people thought this, and would wonder sometimes why people would call me slightly off my frequency. Thanks to a discussion on eham.net a few years ago I learned about this way of thinking. Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2. Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| KB3WGE | 2016-07-22 | |
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| I had a lot of fun with the hobby,just got a new award QRZ.Even if I get rid of my Yaesu FT450D HF 6MTR transciever,I'd still be representing with my Icom IC-V80 & Yaesu VX-3R HT's. Long Live Amateur Radio,Respectfully submitted KB3WGE a.k.a. Jimi p.s. 73's ALL. Reply to a comment by : AF5CC on 2016-07-22 Allison, Good example. That was a great way to get him to QSY and leave you alone! As long as I am in the ham bands, I am on frequency. There is no magic frequency you need to be on, like one ending in a exact KHZ. If you call me on a different frequency, then you are off frequency. Also, the net control is always on frequency, and other stations need to zero beat to her/him, regardless of whether they are on the exact net frequency or not. Reply to a comment by : WB9ZQR on 2016-07-22 IMHO ( how would you pronounce this on phone? aymhoe?), Ham-isms=Lid-isms in many cases. When this subject is mentioned, and unfortunately not often enough, it prompts me to reply with an article written by an old on the air friend and mentor W5VSR(sk). Buddy captured this sentiment in an article written for a short lived 73 mag spin off called Ham Radio Horizons back in 1978 titled "So You Want To Be A Lid?" https://www.scribd.com/document/318136634/So-You-Want-to-Be-a-Lid. Many folks have re-posted the article but I prefer the original as the art dept at HRH did such a great job with the illustrations, Buddy really liked them too. He also had a follow up titled "So You STILL Want To Be A Lid ?" but I don't recall if it was ever published. I have a copy somewhere and will post it if I can locate it. I do recall his peeve (mine as well) for being asked "QSL?". Without missing a beat his reply was always "S.A.S.E". I wish there was another way to say affirmative, acknowledged, received or even simply "roger"(only once). So there's my $.02. Thanks Don for bringing this up. and by the way, your reference to a cold 807 is something I heard many years ago at Dayton by a WW2 vet. As we now know it was their insider's code so my question to him was "What's the code for a bottle of liquor? He replied, " An 813 ! " 73, Matt | ||
| AF5CC | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Allison, Good example. That was a great way to get him to QSY and leave you alone! As long as I am in the ham bands, I am on frequency. There is no magic frequency you need to be on, like one ending in a exact KHZ. If you call me on a different frequency, then you are off frequency. Also, the net control is always on frequency, and other stations need to zero beat to her/him, regardless of whether they are on the exact net frequency or not. Reply to a comment by : WB9ZQR on 2016-07-22 IMHO ( how would you pronounce this on phone? aymhoe?), Ham-isms=Lid-isms in many cases. When this subject is mentioned, and unfortunately not often enough, it prompts me to reply with an article written by an old on the air friend and mentor W5VSR(sk). Buddy captured this sentiment in an article written for a short lived 73 mag spin off called Ham Radio Horizons back in 1978 titled "So You Want To Be A Lid?" https://www.scribd.com/document/318136634/So-You-Want-to-Be-a-Lid. Many folks have re-posted the article but I prefer the original as the art dept at HRH did such a great job with the illustrations, Buddy really liked them too. He also had a follow up titled "So You STILL Want To Be A Lid ?" but I don't recall if it was ever published. I have a copy somewhere and will post it if I can locate it. I do recall his peeve (mine as well) for being asked "QSL?". Without missing a beat his reply was always "S.A.S.E". I wish there was another way to say affirmative, acknowledged, received or even simply "roger"(only once). So there's my $.02. Thanks Don for bringing this up. and by the way, your reference to a cold 807 is something I heard many years ago at Dayton by a WW2 vet. As we now know it was their insider's code so my question to him was "What's the code for a bottle of liquor? He replied, " An 813 ! " 73, Matt | ||
| WB9ZQR | 2016-07-22 | |
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| IMHO ( how would you pronounce this on phone? aymhoe?), Ham-isms=Lid-isms in many cases. When this subject is mentioned, and unfortunately not often enough, it prompts me to reply with an article written by an old on the air friend and mentor W5VSR(sk). Buddy captured this sentiment in an article written for a short lived 73 mag spin off called Ham Radio Horizons back in 1978 titled "So You Want To Be A Lid?" https://www.scribd.com/document/318136634/So-You-Want-to-Be-a-Lid. Many folks have re-posted the article but I prefer the original as the art dept at HRH did such a great job with the illustrations, Buddy really liked them too. He also had a follow up titled "So You STILL Want To Be A Lid ?" but I don't recall if it was ever published. I have a copy somewhere and will post it if I can locate it. I do recall his peeve (mine as well) for being asked "QSL?". Without missing a beat his reply was always "S.A.S.E". I wish there was another way to say affirmative, acknowledged, received or even simply "roger"(only once). So there's my $.02. Thanks Don for bringing this up. and by the way, your reference to a cold 807 is something I heard many years ago at Dayton by a WW2 vet. As we now know it was their insider's code so my question to him was "What's the code for a bottle of liquor? He replied, " An 813 ! " 73, Matt | ||
| KB1GMX | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Love the "off frequency" one. I bump into that regularly on HF as I like running old gear with VFOs and no digital display. I have those things for when I need them. So... Hey, this is W... Your off frequency. Me: Sorry no i'm not. Him: your not on .260. Me: correct. Him: you have to be on .260 Me: No, my partner I'm talking to is on xx.259953 (nearest cycle!) Him: you both should be on .260. Me: sorry, seems your dial is wrong too your on .260123, come down 170 HZ and we can hear you better. Him: you need to be on my frequency as I'm on .260. Me: I'd like to but then I'd be 123hz off rather that 47. Him: Listen I have a mumble98000 radio and my dial is correct. Me: Ok, that's nice but it must have been jarred in shipping. Him: its always been right. Me: go check against WWV. Him: W... qsy 10.000000 (yes, he said that!) I went back to the conversation never heard him again. I was happy where I was and suspected he was a HT carrying newbie with a vanity call (QRZ confirmed!). Other, tell me "I have a TCXO in the rig", to that its that's nice did you dial in it to correct for drift? Or what channel are you on? I hear crickets. Few understand that all the digits are nice but can still be wrong as it all depends on a crystal time base that can be and often is somewhat wrong. Unless its a sched or a net there is no "off frequency". To some of the other wacky speech that is vaguely cbism, my response is the universal 10-4 good buddy. That seems to correct the problem. ;) Allison Reply to a comment by : KE6SLS on 2016-07-22 Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| KE6SLS | 2016-07-22 | |
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Guess my sand paper term is "what's ur handle there?" Get this about once a month, often by older hams new to the hobby on vhf, but also hear it way too much on hf ssb. Never EVER heard it on cw though :) Enjoyed the read this AM. TU 73 j | ||
| W6CAW | 2016-07-22 | |
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| BOO! Every hobby / profession has it's language. Get over it! My wife doesn't know which end of a battery is + or - and is un-willing to learn. She studied, passed her Technician test and forgot everything. I program and install her radios. The radio in her car is usually turned off and country western is blaring from the CD. HOWEVER None of this keeps her from being an effective communicator on the Ham Radio. It did not keep her from being able to run a community center for 5 weeks after one of the biggest wild fires in California history. A time when it took 8 weeks to get the communications infrastructure restored, all else failed, except Ham Radio. Get over it. There is room for all kinds of Hams. Ones like me with 60 years in the electronics industry and ones like my wife, a very effective communicator. | ||
| WA7SGS | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Hi-Hi is the radio equivalent of LOL. Given how some folks lack a sense of humor, irony and such, it helps to qualify some statements with an indicator. Rick | ||
| AD7DB | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Saying "73's." 73 means Best Regards. So are you saying "Best Regardses"?? Saying "we" when you mean "I" or "me" singular. "Our rig here is a Kenwood and we've been in ham radio since 1939." Saying HAM Radio. "Ham" isn't an acronym. You can say "Ham Radio" or "ham radio" but if you say "HAM radio" it's just foolish. You might as well say, "There will be a N.E.T. tonight. Be careful driving in your C.A.R. to the C.L.U.B. meeting." Related to it, saying "I've been in HAM since 2014." In my experience, phrases like that come from people who got licensed just to be able to carry an HT with their "badge & vest" group. They aren't in it for the hobby at all and usually have no interest in learning anything or going beyond the Tech license. Now, I don't wish or intend to put down anyone who's "only a Tech." That's an accomplishment and a lot of you are satisfied with the privileges. But, I personally guarantee you'll have ten times the fun by upgrading to General and getting on all the HF bands. | ||
| WA2DTW | 2016-07-22 | |
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| If we retire the language, the bands may become permanently quiet. | ||
| AF5CC | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "You are off frequency". I don't know where we got the idea that you must be on even KHZ frequencies. I didn't even know that people thought this, and would wonder sometimes why people would call me slightly off my frequency. Thanks to a discussion on eham.net a few years ago I learned about this way of thinking. Another thing that bothers me is when people call with their "last 2" also. Not sure why you would want to do this. I guess their is some sort of propagation advantage that only shows up for the last 2 letters of someone's call. Heaven forbid if you have a 2 x 1 extra class call. Then you might not have a last 2. Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| N4CQR | 2016-07-22 | |
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| These should have never began! Get'em On - Interstate Ramp ____ QTH.i.e, Work, Home Fire on the Wire - QRO I have an S-20 on you, come on What's you 20? Destinated (arrived somewhere - Destinated at the home QTH) Hi-Hi Reply to a comment by : AI4WC on 2016-07-22 Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AI4WC | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Don: You speak for me; we all need think about our messages on the air! Reply to a comment by : WB4M on 2016-07-22 N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| WB4M | 2016-07-22 | |
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| N4UM mentioned 2 of my peeeves! The use of WE or other plurals instead of "I". Would you say WE have a headache? WE hurt my foot. I really hate hearing 10-codes and good buddy and other CB terms. One guy on the local repeater laughs at the end of every sentence. I almost hit a dog, hahah. My wife went to the store, hahaha. WTF? Reply to a comment by : N4UM on 2016-07-22 Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| AA4PB | 2016-07-22 | |
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| “If I can hear ‘em, I can work ‘em.” This is essentially saying that my transmitter is as good as my receiver. This is opposed to someone who can hear a station but can't work them because that station can't hear them. It has nothing to do with working stations that you can't hear. Nobody can claim this 100% of the time because there are always times when the QRM or noise level at the other end limits the station's ability to hear you. Reply to a comment by : WA4MLD on 2016-07-22 How about this? Ham #1 (on the local repeater): "Will we see you for coffee tomorrow morning?" Ham #2: "QSL." Ham #2 didn't even answer the question. He said "message received." Except for CW traffic nets, I agree it's time to move on to plain English. Or, at least read the definitions! | ||
| WA4MLD | 2016-07-22 | |
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| How about this? Ham #1 (on the local repeater): "Will we see you for coffee tomorrow morning?" Ham #2: "QSL." Ham #2 didn't even answer the question. He said "message received." Except for CW traffic nets, I agree it's time to move on to plain English. Or, at least read the definitions! | ||
| KZ5AJ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Overuse of "roger" is one of my peeves. I recently heard a ham saying 'roger, roger' about every 10 words. I kept expecting to hear '4 rogers, good buddy'. I also wince at the use of CW terms on phone, 'hi hi' right at the top. What is wrong with plain English? | ||
| KJ3P | 2016-07-22 | |
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| On September 11, 1958, the FCC created the 11-meter Citizens Band. Eight days later, I received my very first ham license, a Novice ticket, so I have an historical perspective on the subject. Ham radios then had the 10/11 meter band clearly marked on their front panels, and there was, to put it lightly, much resentment in the ham ranks for anything that even hinted "CB" because "we was robbed!" This resentment certainly included any words, phrases and practices that were used on CB. I remember those youthful days vividly, although I remember thinking that 11 meters wasn't much of a loss. So, with this as my history, I still get a bit if a twinge when I hear "my personal is..." or "my handle is...". "My personal..." is relatively recent, but back in the day, actually saying "my handle" on the air got you an instant cold shoulder, although I'll admit that, with the passage of time, "handle" has become semi-accepted on the ham bands. "I'm destinated" reared its ugly head very early in repeater-dom. I remember mildly challenging someone when I first heard the word in the early 70's, and he couldn't see anything wrong with it. Go figure. Thanks for an enjoyable read, good luck with your books, and thanks for caring about ham radio! --Jim KJ3P | ||
| DJ9AO | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "...thanks for $acompletelyobviouscontestreport, _please copy_ $mycompletelyobviouscontestreport..." | ||
| W1GOV | 2016-07-22 | |
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| I am a new ham (licensed for just over a year) but I am 73 and say what I want. So, my two cents: Why are we all using the CW Q-Codes on SSB? We do not need to save dots and dashes to ask a question. "Where do you live?" is just as easy to say as "What's your QTH" and actually has fewer syllables. Further examples are unnecessary. | ||
| K4EQ | 2016-07-22 | |
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| "My personal is . . ." and "I'm destinated" irk me the most. Then recently I heard the net control on a local ARES net use 10-4 several times. I about fell out of my chair. | ||
| N4UM | 2016-07-22 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
| Several of my pet peeves... Excessive and needless overuse of the word "here." As in - The name "here" is... The rig "here" is... The weather "here" is ... The QTH "here" is... Excessive and needless use of the editorial "We." "We" were on 20 meters earlier. "We" repaired "our" amplifier. "We" watched TV last night. Reply to a comment by : KT4WO on 2016-07-22 Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| KT4WO | 2016-07-22 | |
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| RE: 'Ham-isms' We Should Retire Once and for All | ||
Or better yet....the rednecks with a 8th grade education in my area.... strait from CB. "Hay boyz ya'lln here my hounddogg in the back of the truckz?" (A dog barking clearly in the background) The spelling is the way they spell. This was really heard on the 147.045 Robbinsville rptr...with the guy holding the mic out the window. Reply to a comment by : DL8OV on 2016-07-22 I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||
| K8SOR | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Some of the so called ham-isms came from the "CHILDRENS BAND" Those should be omitted. | ||
| VK3YE | 2016-07-22 | |
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| Great read, Don! You have more perseverence than me - I went through a similar exercise and only got about 30 or 40 terms. http://home.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/gateway/nooct00.htm I could only find one very minor quibble and that is about 'armchair copy'. It does include 'absolutely perfect copy' but I reckon it's a little more than that. I would define it as a signal is so good that it's perfect copy without struggle. Hence you can rest back in your armchair and not hunch towards the speaker or press the cans against your ears. A slightly inferior signal could be fully copiable (or 'Q 5') but not necessarily 'armchair copiable'. | ||
| DL8OV | 2016-07-22 | |
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| I would really like to get rid of 'Hi Hi' when speech is being transmitted. More times than I can remember I have been demonstrating ham radio to someone not skilled in the art and they have to ask 'why does he keep on saying HI all the time'? It's silly, please stop it. There are also the people who say 'break' after every sentence when using phone, makes me want to break something. Come to think of it, why not get rid of ALL the jargon when using phone? It's just as easy to say to a fellow English speaking ham 'I live in Washington DC' as 'my QTH is Washington DC'. OK, if there is a language barrier then the Q Codes have a purpose, but not in conversational English. Peter DL8OV | ||