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Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen

from W3JK on July 16, 2010
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Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen

I had the pleasure of swinging by Friedrichshafen along with my family last month to visit the Hamfest in Germany. I wanted to do this to complete attending the 3 major international Hamfests in a year. So, we have been to the Tokyo Hamfair, Dayton Hamvention and the HamRadio in Friedrichshafen within a calendar year.

My experience at Friedrichshafen was absolutely fantastic and this is a big, clean and well organized Hamfest. The entire event is very people friendly, XYL friendly, pet friendly, plenty of cafeterias, air-conditioned including the flea market, clean toilets, no-electric carts running around, lots of space and meeting spaces, free shuttle bus from the city center, good food, etc etc. Yes, all in one big space and you won't be sweating or need to hold your breath while passing certain areas. I would call it the 5-star of Hamfests.

Here are some pictures and it's my pleasure to share with you, what I enjoyed. Just a simple note, is that a 2 dimensional picture really does not capture the complete essence or show the depth and magnitude of this Hamfest.

Here is the main lobby to the Hamfest which also combines as a spot for speakers and presentations …

Here is a view of the main hall with all the manufacturers and distributors …



Here is Hilberling … They are back !!!

The QSL Wall …

A nice space for YL's to meet …


I ran into some of the loudest stations on 80m and 40m …

DL8DX, myself (W3JK), PA0GMW, VE6JY, W1VO

Here is ARRL …

Here is Bavarian Contest Club …

The balloon experimenters …

The courtyard in the center for folks to hang out for lunch with nicely setup patio type furniture …

The flea market was huge and all indoors …



I think that I would be a repeat visitor to this Hamfest and what a nice environment to meet and greet the Hams from EU that we talk to everyday. I also got to enjoy the excellent hospitality of hams like DL8DX, IW3IBK etc and it's great to have good friends through this hobby in other parts of the world.

Best & 73's,
Ken

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Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K5WCF on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
It just goes to show the difference in the true importance of Amateur Radio here in the states compared to the rest of the world. This really should be the other way around but, unfortunately it is not. I kind of feel this is almost a reflection of America compared to the rest of the world on a lot of different fronts right now. "Oh how the mighty have fallen."

Just my opinion 73

K5WCF
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W7ETA on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the pixs.
73
Bob
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by G7PSF on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the pictures, looks like a great event.
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WD8DUP on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I, too, was at this Hamfest (on that Saturday) and have been every year since 2006. It's a great time for all and lots of good stuff. You're right about the food. But the part I enjoy the most is the little stand outside in the main parking lot that sells cooled, fresh pressed, apple juice. A great "picker-upper" on a hot day.

Lots to see and do, and lots of activities. And for the XYL and the "harmonics" not interested in the show, downtown Friedrichshafen is a great place to walk around or take a ferry ride on the lake. Or, you can go to the Blimp museum (Zeppelinheim) next door to the show.

Sadly, it looks like this might have been my last year I'll be able to go. Funny, I've never been to Dayton, either.

Floyd
WD8DUP/DA1VF
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K0BG on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
The nicest hamfests I've been to, were here in the USA. The biggest problem, they were all 25 or 30 years ago. The one held at the now gone Sands in Las Vegas, comes to mind.

Dayton used to be a lot nicer than it is now. It's unfortunate that the venue for the Dayton Hamvention is so deteriorated, and as you alluded to, smelling (actually a very rank reeking in the toilet areas).

Alas, my foreign travel days are behind me, so I won't be going to any of the venues you mentioned. But, I still can still pine, can't I?

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W9CPI on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Ken. Makes me want to go. I'm curious -- do you speak German? Were there enough multilingual hams there to make things comfortable for one who spoke only English? Steve, ZP9EH/W9CPI
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N4VNV on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Many thanks for the photos Ken. I was at the Friedrichshafen Hamfest in 1982. Lot of changes since then. It was THE BEST even back then. I've been to Dayton 3 times and never thought it was as good as the Friedrichshafen. However I was stationed in Frankfurt at the time, and my call was DA2SN in Germany. KD4ZD back in the USA. I wonder if the Germans still build most of their antennas? They did back in '82. Also they were much more active on 70 centimeters as opposed to 2M back in those days. Wonder if they still use the "whistle up" frequency for the 2M repeaters?
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K3GM on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"...plenty of cafeterias, air-conditioned including the flea market, clean toilets, no-electric carts running around, lots of space and meeting spaces, free shuttle bus from the city center, good food, etc etc. "

... so you're saying it's just about like the Hara then.... except for the electric scooters! ; ;
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N4DBC on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
It looks like a great hamfest!

Unfortunately, the economy in the U.S.A. is so bad, that many of us can't even make it to Dayton, much less travel internationally.

Before you think that I'm practicing 'class-envy', I appreciate anyone who has the finances to travel and see the best that the world has to offer. I pray that the "Hope & Change" doesn't take away your ability to travel in the future, like it has for many of us.

Please continue to take pictures and report on any interesting "ham-related" items that you see during your travels.

73,
Dave N4DBC
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K8QV on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for posting. Great photos.

I was planning to put some effort and savings into a trip to Dayton next year, but it's just too depressing to contemplate now. I'll also probably skip the big Hamcation here in Florida.

No electric carts blocking and bumping, good food, no stinky potty zones, room to actually walk and breathe - it boggles the mind!

 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N4KC on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Great pictures, Ken, and thanks for the recap. I suspect the venue is what really makes the difference between this and Dayton. I bet an upgrade in that department would kick-start attendance at Dayton. We hams tend to gripe and moan and complain, but the facility there is a problem. Surely there is an alternative within fifty miles!

If it is a borderline decision on whether to attend an event or not, the quality of the overall experience is often the determining factor. Same goes for smaller vendors.

Don Keith N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
www.n4kc.blogspot.com
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W5XE on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I had the privilege of attending the FunkSchau 1964
which was held in Constanz, at the park along the
shores of Lake Constanz. It was an outstanding event
and I remember it still, only regretting that I am
no longer able to attend the more recent showings
in Friedrichshafen. At that time, I and a couple of
ham buddies had driven down from Darmstadt, camped
along the shore of the lake and then drove into the
park area. There were hams from all over the world,
not only from Europe but from some African countries,
Taiwan, Japan, Australia, so many I can't remember.
Truly an international hamfest. The equipment shown
was my first sight of Yaesu, Star, KW Viceroy(Gt.
Britain) and others from Italy and Germany. One of
the events was the fox hunt. Hand Held radios with
2 and 3 element yagi antennae attached to the input.
Thanks for posting the pictures and comments.
Ray, W5XE Ex-DL4MQ, DJ0MQ
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by VK5SW on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ken, thanks for the article. It looks like a great event and worthwhile attending if you can afford to travel. There's a video of it on my website,
http://www.vk5sw.com/Ham%20Links.htm
73 for now.
Rob www.vk5sw.com
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by G0GQK on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Looks excellent and a nice place to visit and organised in a typical German way. I remember years ago seeing some "home brewed" radio equipment which had been previously shown at this exhibition and I believe had won prizes, and the workmanship was was of the very highest quality. I admire works of art produced by craftsmen and most certainly these hand built pieces were works of art

G0GQK
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W8JII on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Terrific pics!! Couldn't help noticing how much leaner the hams there are :<)
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N2UGB on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
The USA could do with this sort of facility. It's OK to dance around the cow-flop at a small local fest, but we are not number one when it comes to a major.

All the boast-and brag won't make it so.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA1RNE on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

Now that's a hamfest. It's been a loooong time since I've attended anything this organized, but as I've been reading, I seem to be in good company. Too bad.


Maybe on my next European trip the timing will be right.


...WA1RNE

 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WC3O on July 16, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the great pics! One of these fine days I’m going to make it there. It looks like big fun. I do enjoy all the comments about Dayton and how run down Hara is. How much did that venue cost the Ham Radio organization to rent for the weekend and how much was the admission? It is absolutely beautiful but when I go to Dayton (and I wouldn’t miss it for the world) I go for the people, the sites, the fleamarket, the inside vendors and even Hara Arena! I love it all, even the minor downsides. From what I can tell from the pictures Dayton is like Friedrichshafen on crack! I never get over the complainers that feel the need to rag on Hamvention. These are the very same people that moan about paying $5.00 to get into a hamfest. I’ll take a thousand old timers running over my feet with their little carts. You have NO idea how good you have it. And my MANY MANY thanks to the Hamvention volunteers that make it all possible. My reservations are set for Dayton 2011 already. Some day I would LOVE to make it to Friedrichshafen. (I hear they have good beer!) Again, thanks for the pictures. They’re great.

And to all the complainers, I really don’t see why you don’t put on a major hamfest yourself. How hard could it be?

Best 73 DE WC3O
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by TANAKASAN on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
It was a good show and I managed to get almost every item on my shopping list. The fleamarket was a lot smaller than previous years, it used to occupy two halls plus some overflow space in a third but now only one hall was full and the other had lots of empty spaces.

Excellent weather over the four days I was there, I even came back with a tan. Camping space is however becoming very VERY short and DARC need to sort out more space for next year.

Tanakasan
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W3OZ on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Do you have any idea of the daily attendance? From the photos it does not look anywhere near as crowded as the times I have been in Dayton. For all the Dayton haters, stop complaining and find and organize a better one. So far the other ones in the US are nicer in atmosphere, but lacking in all the rest. Come on guys we can do better than just sit around like a bunch of grumpy old men and complain about the old building, the carts, the smell, the food. I have experienced a lot worse. I have fun no matter where with good ham friends.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K8QV on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Regarding complainers...

We're in a Catch 22 here. There ARE some excellent, clean Hamfests going on. They stay small because Dayton has the reputation of being the biggest and best. Dayton will not leave the Hara for anything, so the decline continues, but so does the mystique of the greatest Hamfest of an earlier time. The very name "Dayton Hamfest" brings excitement and anticipation, regardless of the reality. No other Hamfest, regardless of how good it may be, can replace that legacy in the minds of American hams. We are at the mercy of the Dayton Hamfest and its marriage to Hara. We don't seem to want change.
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W3JKS on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I receive my copy of Funk Amateur every month in the mail. It is a bit of a strain on my ancient German classes, but it is always an enjoyable read. The spirit of homebrew radio is alive and well in Europe.

They have a reader's service which makes numerous kits and hard-to-find parts available for amateur usage.

I hope to make a pilgrimage to that convention one of these days.

73,
john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAA9SL
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K5LBU on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I have missed only 2 years in going in the last 10 years. The cost for all 3 days was a great big 15 Euros. My guess as to the numbers there is about 15k or more.Last year there were 20k there. It is great to visit with the guys that I have talk with from all over the world.
This year I counted about 200 QSL cards from all over the world. I flew into Milan It. and rode to Friedrichshafen with IK1MDF and it took a whole 4 hours. The drive was great and easy.

So plan your next vacation for the last week in June next year. There is so much to see and do there.

I hope to make it to the Ham Fest in Tokyo some day now that I am retired from school teaching.

73 and see U in the pileups
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA2JJH on July 17, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for your time and photo's. Everything looked so bright and clean. Yes, the overweight ham does not seem to be epidemic.

Bet, you could buy a salad from the food vendors.
At every hamfest in the USA I have been to, their is always a vendor selling expired Bratewursts on a stale role lathered in a combo of onions and peppers in a rancid oil based sauce. Price is always fixed at $5.
Bet, at the hamfest you showed us, had great Bratewurst with fresh red and white pickled cabbage.
All served on a fresh baked hoagie role. :)
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by ZENKI on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I rarely attend hamfests these days. The reason why?

Well we stand in a long queue watching all the sellers doing all the deals before the doors open. When the real buyers and supporters enter the doors all, the good stuff has already gone to all the dealers and profiteers.

There also seems to be a new ethic going around at hamfests, "its no longer made, so we can rip you off"
No longer made does not make it a priceless Van Gogh!
I would rather go and buy a new Alpha and Icom 7800 than pay extortion prices for second hand garbage thats no longer being made. I like homebrewing my own amps and other bits and pieces, however I dont like being a price hero by paying way too much.

Frankly I have done better on Ebay than most hamfests.
We wonder why new comers wont make anything, just go to the hamfest and you will have your answer!




 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by ZENKI on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Whats the story on Hilberling? I thought that this radio was dead and buried?
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K9MHZ on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Very, very nice hamfest!

 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by AD6KA on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
DE WC3O
"And to all the complainers, I really don’t see why you don’t put on a major hamfest yourself. How hard could it be?"

If you've never produced an event like this, no decent venue will even give you the time of day to talk,so you'll have to hire a credentialed event planning firm, yet another expense.

Event Deposit for venue, Security Deposit for venue, liability insurance for event, arrange security (if not provided by venue, which it usually isn't).

Advertising costs,City event permits, police permits (traffic control) arrange access for handicapped if not already in place. Probably a zillion permits you've never heard of.

You'll have to raise that in CASH and won't see it back for at least a year or more.(Have to plan at least a year or more in advance to fit schedules of major vendors.) Need a loan for that? HAH! ROFLMAO! If this is your first event, that's a non-starter, especially in this economy and with an esoteric (to the bank) hobby like ham radio. At the very least the bank or financial institution will need to see (*professionally done*) projections & analysis of expenses/attendance/sales/profits). Those aren't free, nor cheap.

Letters, phone calls, meetings with vendors (first the big ones) asking (begging?)them to come in full force to a brand new and "un tested" event? Good luck with that. It's very expensive for them to attend. They have to fly/truck in all their gear, advertising, signs, literature,& personell, arrange food & lodging for said personell, pay them.

It'll be even harder to convince the the minor vendors, who don't have big advertising budgets, and who have *already* cut back on the number of ham fests they attend each year.

"How hard could it be?" indeed......

 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WB0OEW on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I don't see an answer to the question posed by Steve, W9CPI, but I would like to know the same thing so I'll ask it again: Were there enough multilingual hams there to make things comfortable for one who spoke only English?
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K9MHZ on July 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I'll jump in with what I know....

The Germans are very educated, and everyone speaks English. I'm there quite often, and have found them to be very delightful, and dignified people. No obesity, no jeans with NASCAR T-Shirts and bright white sneakers. An American sticks out like a sore thumb.

But....not saying it's a utopia.....lots of taxes, Socialism, smoking, etc. Still....clean, beautiful cities, low crime, good people.

I'm sure someone's now ready to flame, but just some observations, that's all.

FWIW,

Brad, K9MHZ

 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by DO5TMX on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Seriously: why are all the pictures so SMALL on this site?

It's not 1998 anymore! We got better cameras, fast connections and storage is cheap as fast food.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA2JJH on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
To venture a guess.....bandwidth.
There is an EHAM official you can ask.


I have been on Eham since around 2000.
Heck back then, Eham had a few folk,
MOORES LAW is a factor as well.

Heck, 320X200 MPEG4 video would be nice too!

Perhaps a 30 gig millimeter live link would be nice.(SO WOULD CHARTERING A CESSNA GULF STREAM TO GO TO DAYTON).

Check around. Many that publish an artical in low res, may have a site for full 1080p 1920 resolution.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA2JJH on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
To venture a guess.....bandwidth.
There is an EHAM official you can ask.


I have been on Eham since around 2000.
Heck back then, Eham had a few folk,
MOORES LAW is a factor as well.

Heck, 320X200 MPEG4 video would be nice too!

Perhaps a 30 gig millimeter live link would be nice.(SO WOULD CHARTERING A CESSNA GULF STREAM TO GO TO DAYTON).

Check around. Many that publish an artical in low res, may have a site for full 1080p 1920 resolution.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA2JJH on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
To venture a guess.....bandwidth.
There is an EHAM official you can ask.


I have been on Eham since around 2000.
Heck back then, Eham had a few folk,
MOORES LAW is a factor as well.

Heck, 320X200 MPEG4 video would be nice too!

Perhaps a 30 gig millimeter live link would be nice.(SO WOULD CHARTERING A CESSNA GULF STREAM TO GO TO DAYTON).

Check around. Many that publish an artical in low res, may have a site for full 1080p 1920 resolution.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W7ETA on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"Well we stand in a long queue watching all the sellers doing all the deals before the doors open."

Uuuuum.
That has never happened to me.
If you want to get in first, be there first, enter and pay to be a seller.

Me, I don't do the get up and drive for 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to arrive at some place before sunrise any more.

73
Bob

 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by G3VGR on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Another enjoyable visit. The 3 day ticket is only 15 euros and the facilities in this modern exhibition centre are excellent. The flea market was smaller than before, but still very good, especially for QRO components. I felt sad for the guys at the ARRL stand again. They were being worked like donkeys, field-checking DXCC cards, without much time to meet and greet.
Nice to see Hilberling are still alive & kicking. Eric Schwartz of Elecraft was also there showing the new panadaptor on a K3. To answer previous questions, yes it's fine for non-German speakers.
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WZ9B on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I paid 8 euros for a one day ticket. English is no problem. Had a good time and will go back when possible.
 
some additional comments ...  
by W3JK on July 19, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
So, here is my take after seeing some of the replies. I go to Dayton and will continue going there to meet friends, DX friends and everyone. I have a good time there, whether it is at the Hara venue or at the Crowne Plaza. However this is our flagship event for the Americas and some of our feedback is only intended to see if we can up the ante at Dayton. Who knows, maybe the Hara arena will be renovated into a mordern facility one day !!
We all have fun and most of us are also interested in bringing in fresh blood into this hobby too and not let them think of us as, to paraphrase a Dayton restaurant waiter, "the weird antenna guys". This is the challenge for most Ham Radio socities locally and globally today.
Just for kickers, the next time you are at Dayton, go and sit at the gallery and have a look at the exhibits and the folks below and then take a look at the age group thats walking around there in majority. Maybe we will then realize what some of us are trying to suggest and improve.
Once again, I have fun at Dayton and will continue to go there and have fun.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by TANAKASAN on July 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"Were there enough multilingual hams there to make things comfortable for one who spoke only English? "

Yes. I managed to make myself understood at every stall I visited with about 45% of them run by Germans and 45% run by Italians (the other 10% was a real United Nations). Even the exhibition paperwork was available in English & German. Smoking is not permitted in the exhibition halls and the only place I saw cigarettes was a small area outside Hall A1.

In the camping ground many hams spoke English and even if someone didn't you would probably find that his friend did.

Tanakasan
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by W5RKL on July 20, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I lived in Germany for 5 years and went to the Friedrichshafen Hamfest twice, once in 2000 and again the following year. I bought my Drake R4C receiver the second visit. It's a great hamfest. The drive from Stuttgart was great. The Xyl and I stopped on our way to the hamfest, had cake and coffee and watched the sail boats on the Bodensee. We stopped and had dinner on our way back, terrific food! Germany is a great place to live. The people are great, food is great, and yes, the beer is also great.

73s
Mike
W5RKL
(ex DA1TNJ)
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N6GOZ on July 21, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I was unaware of this Hamfest...looks like a good one that I will plan on attending next year. I travel for work on a regular basis..Frankfurt being one of my stops so will plan on the side tour next year. Thanks so very much for the pics and bringing it to my attention. Like others here I also lament the general lack of high quality hamfests here in the US.

73's
Mike (N6goz)
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WC4R on July 21, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Absolutely beautiful. I wouldn't have expected anything less from Germany. A standard we should all use.
Thanks for sharing.
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by KG5VK on July 22, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Ken Thanks for sharing !

Been too long since I have been to Europe
loved working from LX0RL in the eighties

Dayton is fun, but yes it could be much better on several fronts
Will I continue to go, of course.

I enjoy Huntsville in many ways more than Dayton
and I imagine Huntsville's Hamfest will out grow Dayton

The facilities are imacaulant and the lodging places do not ripp our wallets, The rates on a non Dayton week-end as compared to those during Dayton are shameful !

cheers !
Steve
KG5VK
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K2JX on July 22, 2010 Mail this to a friend!

I am not surprised looking at the pictures, one see's how far the USA has fallen. The first thing a vistor from EU looks for when in the US is a clean public rest room. Not so, especially here in NYC which thousands visit yearly from everywhere. Another observation,very few folks wearing flip flops, message t-shirts, men with 3 day beards unwashed. The last Hamfest I attended a new Ham remarked that Right-Guard should be passed out at the door !

I dont believe the US economy has anything to do with the decline of the the Hamfest. It's been self destuctive for quite a few years. The folks who arrive in a $47,000 SUV moan about the $6 entrance fee our club charges for entry. "What 6 bux to get in" !
We've met the enemy and they are us !

73,cul in EU,2011 de K2JX


 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N5UD on July 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
This thread started with the decline in America. There is a decline in America. No doubt about it. I don't think it is all financial either. It is an attitude and manners phenomenon. Americans, hams included, simply are not as courteous or caring as they were a generation ago.

Then there is the infra-structure decline. Pitiful. The public works of this country are literally decaying right before our eyes.

Glad to see the pictures and the report. Friedrichshafen is a top-notch event.
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by K9MHZ on July 23, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
I almost completely agree, but remember that America is a huge country. The Autobahns in Germany are top-notch and everything is manicured to perfection. But the U.S. is so big, that if we insisted on that standard for our interstates, it would be massively expensive.

Your overall premise is spot on, in my opinion. I don't know what it's going to take, but we are really, really headed south as a society.

Parents parenting, teachers teaching, politicans....oh well. Depressing.

 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA6ITF on July 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
"K8QV: We are at the mercy of the Dayton Hamfest and its marriage to Hara. We don't seem to want change."

I was told that a few years ago there was a search made of an area of about 150 miles surrounding Dayton to see if there was another venue that was both affordable and could hold the approximate 22,000 that the Hamvention drew at that time. As I recall, there was no facility within that 150 mile circle that met the criteria. Yes, there are other venues, but none that could be had at a price level that when passed on to the attendee as the entry fee, that an average working person could afford.

For those of you who have never attended a major tade show like NAB or CES, its not uncommon for the entry fee to be into the hundreds of dollars. Some of the pro photography and motion picture industry shows cost into the thousands of dollars just to walk in and look around. So, even with its smelly bathrooms and not so pleasant infrastructure, the HARA Arena remains the singular convention facility in that region that can host a gathering the size of Hamvention.

Additionally, the core group that puts on the Dayton Hamvention reside in Dayton and its suburbs. All are volunteers. If a facility were to be found -- lets say in Akron or Cleveland or the like, how many of those in Dayton who run the Hamvention would be willing to drive week in and week out to venues so far distant to do show planning and logistics? The reality is it would be few if any. And without the massive number of unpaid volunteers, Hamvention would be non-economical to continue.


Yes: The HARA Arena has its pitfalls, but no place else exists within 150 miles that can handle the crowd and do so at a per registrant cost that most hams can afford.

By the way, its not the Hamvention that makes the Wampler family keep the HARA Arena open. Rather its become the home of one of the professional wrestling circuits and many of the matches televised nationally originate from there. Plus its the home of such other trade shows and entertainments as Disney On Ice, The Longhorn Rodeo, Sesame Street Live, Silver Sticks Hockey Tournament, Lanfest, Monster Truck Winter Nationals®, the Midwest Ceramics Show, The Miami Valley Home Improvement Show, The National Holiday Gift Show and a host of others. Hamvention is one of the bigger events, but not the only "big event."

Lastly, in the minds of the worlds ham population, the city of Dayton Ohio is associated with the worlds largest hamfest. After almost 60 years, it is a part of the hobby and its folk lore. That is: Hamvention means Dayton, Ohio and Dayton, Ohio is Hamvention. The two are inseparable and its never going to change.

de WA6ITF
 
RE: Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by WA6ITF on July 24, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
To K0BG and ham conventions in Las Vegas, Nevada.

There were two and both eventually failed. The longer running of the two was SAROC which stood for the Sahara Amateur Radio Convention which began in 1967 and concluded in 1978. It was the brainchild of and owned totally by the late Leonard Norman, W7PBV. When Norman lost interest in ham radio, SAROC folded. Its a lot more complex a story, but that's the gist.

There was an attempt to bring it back in the middle 1980's with a very classy show called "Ham-West." The young couple that put it on -- John Weaver and his wife -- ran it for two years at the Alladin -- in October of 1986 and 1987. It pulled between 2500 - 3000 attendees -- about the same as SAROC -- but never achieved the same success as SAROC. Possibly because it was a more "traditional" show with all sorts of organized after-hours activities and a full banquet. Also, by that time the "bean counters" had gained control of Las Vegas from the "good old boys" and the only interest was bringing in groups that were "high rollers" of which very few hams are.

One story I heard -- though could never confirm -- was that the hotels were not willing to host Ham/West because it pulled a non-casino crowd. True or not, by 1988, Ham/West was gone -- much to the chagrin of the overall ham radio industry that was hoping it might develop into a Western-states Hamvention. It was very well attended, so its obvious to this writer -- who attended both years -- that the reason for its failure had little to do with its ability to bring in exhibitors or attendees. But as the expression goes: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."

There is a show up in Reno, Nevada that holds some real promise. Its called Emcommwest. In 4 years has grown from a few hundred attendees to more than 2200 this year. Maybe it will be the new Western-sates answer to Hamvention one day, but for now its just growing slowly and steadily.

de WA6ITF



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Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by ON7RU on July 25, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for this great article.
This years exhibition was great. I attended 7 times the last 10 years.
Met lot's of great people, signed a 3yr arrl subscription, attended some lectures, picked up some QSLs, ....
3 days of pure adrenaline.

Check out some more pictures at following adres : http://www.flickr.com/photos/on7ru/page2/

If the organisers read this article, one remark to make it even better next year:
Please swap the room for YL meeting with the IOTA guys. We had to undertake an DXped to get/find the room and there were no seats left....

CU all next year
Frank, ON7RU
http://www.on7ru.net


 
English speaking people in Germany...  
by DL3ZM on August 9, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
regarding your Question whether there are enough English speaking people(hams) in Germany:
Yes there are. You will have no proplem traveling through Germany by only speaking English. So you are welcome.

(Like the rest of the world, we have to speak English ;-)
 
Ham Radio 2010 in Friedrichshafen  
by N7RK on August 18, 2010 Mail this to a friend!
Had the opportunity to attend this hamfest in 1996 and 2000 thanks to frequent flyer tickets from my business travels. What a great hamfest! Enjoyed meeting with many of the DXer's from Europe that I had spoken with for many years on the radio. I really enjoyed the flea market. Back in the 90's, their was a lot of interesting stuff that you would not see at American hamfests. The DX dinners were also great. Combined this with a trip to Spain and Portugal in 2000 and several eastern European countries in 1996....Dave N7RK
 
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