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W8JX

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2015, 11:29:03 AM »

Wow, a lot guys here sure have reading comprehension problems.  How do you get that he said that "Elecraft never used contract engineers" from JX's statement above?

I would like to know that too!!
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2015, 11:47:43 AM »

Wow, a lot guys here sure have reading comprehension problems.  How do you get that he said that "Elecraft never used contract engineers" from JX's statement above?

I would like to know that too!!

Exactly... if TenTec lets an engineer go, or if that engineer finds better employment, than the company is in dire straits.

Yet, any other normal ham company that hires contractors when needed isn't an issue.

Double standard???

Pete
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W8JX

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2015, 11:58:23 AM »

Exactly... if TenTec lets an engineer go, or if that engineer finds better employment, than the company is in dire straits.

Yet, any other normal ham company that hires contractors when needed isn't an issue.

Double standard???

Pete

Not at all. To replace engineers with working knowledge of products when trying to save a few buck and turn things around is dumb. Do you see Kenwood or Yaesu or Icom firing their engineers and hiring new ones to design new gear? Last year at Hamvention I talked to engineer at kenwood booth that designed 570 years ago. He worked some on 590 too. You keep talent because lack of it makes or breaks your company more "wasting" a few bucks more on salaries.
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2015, 12:09:03 PM »

Exactly... if TenTec lets an engineer go, or if that engineer finds better employment, than the company is in dire straits.

Yet, any other normal ham company that hires contractors when needed isn't an issue.

Double standard???

Pete

Not at all. To replace engineers with working knowledge of products when trying to save a few buck and turn things around is dumb. Do you see Kenwood or Yaesu or Icom firing their engineers and hiring new ones to design new gear? Last year at Hamvention I talked to engineer at kenwood booth that designed 570 years ago. He worked some on 590 too. You keep talent because lack of it makes or breaks your company more "wasting" a few bucks more on salaries.

Going back to my statement, and since you are obviously such an astute insider, I again have to ask a simple question:

Did Elecraft ever use contract engineers to write software or to assist with hardware designs??  Simple question, really. And, it is on topic. Otherwise, you might stop your vendetta against RKR and TenTec, unless you can post some solid facts.  If an engineer leaves one company, it is doom and gloom? But another competitor that uses contractors isn't comparable?  You don't see that it might make good business sense to cut expenses, at least until it is time hire back contractors? 

Quit making yourself look like a fool, and that goes for the JX cheerleaders who have little substance to offer.
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« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2015, 12:28:09 PM »

SWL2002 is pretty much an anonymous post and it references two other anonymous people as in "I know a couple of guys that worked there until recently." Information from anonymous sources posted by an anonymous individual just is not believable. It might be true, it just has no credibility.

Make yourself know, disclose the sources, then we might be able to seriously evaluate the information.

Yes, but first please post your social security number here on this forum so we can verify that you are indeed WB8NUT and not someone who has stolen his identity.  How do we know that you are who you say you are?  

Simple, if your a real Ham operator then just log into QRZ and you can get his email address and then shoot him an email asking the "Real" WB8NUT if he made posts to this thread.  If he replies "Yes" then you know it's the real person.  I do that kind of verification all the time when people are selling stuff on eHam or QTH.

Of course if your not a real ham operator you won't be able to log into QRZ so he won't get an email from you.  WB8NUT please let us know what happens.

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2015, 12:41:16 PM »

Do you see Kenwood or Yaesu or Icom firing their engineers and hiring new ones to design new gear?

wow, more hyperbole from JX...  ::)

Ten-Tec did not fire JH.  He found a position with another company that he found interesting, challenging, and desirable.
When talent changes employers are you really suggesting that defacto means the company being left is a goner ... ???
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W8JX

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2015, 12:47:48 PM »


Did Elecraft ever use contract engineers to write software or to assist with hardware designs??  Simple question, really. And, it is on topic. Otherwise, you might stop your vendetta against RKR and TenTec, unless you can post some solid facts. 


I never commented on electrocraft and tell me how did it get in this thread when it did not have a fire sale or liquidate assets or recently change hands too???  I have no vendetta but you have rose colored glasses on. I have seen this before many times. You do not liquidate products if you want to stay in business and when talent jumps ship it it not a good sign either. I have little doubt RKR has heard of this thread by now and if they were not going away they would chime in.  Many times I have seen companies quietly close doors and say nothing till doors are closed. If I am wrong great but it has the smell of death and if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck and it is leaving the ham radio pond. Said part is this countries business model is that buying and liquidating companies and eliminating jobs for the sake of quick profit is quite acceptable and a way of life here.  
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2015, 01:59:07 PM »

SWL2002 is pretty much an anonymous post and it references two other anonymous people as in "I know a couple of guys that worked there until recently." Information from anonymous sources posted by an anonymous individual just is not believable. It might be true, it just has no credibility.

Make yourself know, disclose the sources, then we might be able to seriously evaluate the information.

Yes, but first please post your social security number here on this forum so we can verify that you are indeed WB8NUT and not someone who has stolen his identity.  How do we know that you are who you say you are?  

Simple, if your a real Ham operator then just log into QRZ and you can get his email address and then shoot him an email asking the "Real" WB8NUT if he made posts to this thread.  If he replies "Yes" then you know it's the real person.  I do that kind of verification all the time when people are selling stuff on eHam or QTH.

Of course if your not a real ham operator you won't be able to log into QRZ so he won't get an email from you.  WB8NUT please let us know what happens.



Don't lose any sleep over this guy.  Even if someone took him up on his offer by posting their SS number, he'd still refuse to post his call sign, if he even has one.  People suffering from paranoia can't help it as it's a form of mental illness, and since they are paranoid, they'd never trust someone to help them or even admit they need help.
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2015, 03:01:03 PM »

Do you see Kenwood or Yaesu or Icom firing their engineers and hiring new ones to design new gear?

wow, more hyperbole from JX...  ::)

Ten-Tec did not fire JH.  He found a position with another company that he found interesting, challenging, and desirable.
When talent changes employers are you really suggesting that defacto means the company being left is a goner ... ???

The only way that is true is if it is a one person operation. When that persons quits, then things are doomed as there is no one left. Last I heard, TT is not a 1 person operation. But then again this is like the third time around for this same silly old rumor (if not more).

Also others are right about contractors. I see more and more permanent engineering jobs becoming contract positions. I have been doing contract work since 2006. And I see many others doing the same thing, as well as companies using them when needed. Why would TT or anyone else not take the same advantage as many other companies?
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W8JX

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2015, 03:46:59 PM »

Also others are right about contractors. I see more and more permanent engineering jobs becoming contract positions. I have been doing contract work since 2006. And I see many others doing the same thing, as well as companies using them when needed. Why would TT or anyone else not take the same advantage as many other companies?

Not really. They employ contractors because of less liability and easy to terminate, not because you get a superior pool for engineers to choose from. Today workers are not considered a asset for those wanting to make a quick profit and they want no strings and little liability to be able to loose person and hence contract work is on rise. Not because it makes a better product but rather a cheaper one (cheaper to make not sell) What I have seen is usually C or B rated contractors are in pool and the really good ones, A's, want more than quick contract and smart businesses hang on to them when they get them.
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2015, 04:41:18 PM »

Also others are right about contractors. I see more and more permanent engineering jobs becoming contract positions. I have been doing contract work since 2006. And I see many others doing the same thing, as well as companies using them when needed. Why would TT or anyone else not take the same advantage as many other companies?

Not really. They employ contractors because of less liability and easy to terminate, not because you get a superior pool for engineers to choose from. Today workers are not considered a asset for those wanting to make a quick profit and they want no strings and little liability to be able to loose person and hence contract work is on rise. Not because it makes a better product but rather a cheaper one (cheaper to make not sell) What I have seen is usually C or B rated contractors are in pool and the really good ones, A's, want more than quick contract and smart businesses hang on to them when they get them.

Well if you spent a day in my shoes, you would know I am right. I live it every day. Do you? I field calls from recruiters almost every day. Almost never is it for permanent employment. So I can base what is happening by just being there and observing. I don't need to read some techie blog and regurgitate what some writer thinks.

But you are correct as to some of the reasons. And the use of them for a quick profit is quite true. Funny you don't apply the same thinking to TT and RKR. As far as I know they are a for profit company just like others. Why can't they use that same advantage?

As to your grading of contractors, that is more opinion then fact. You put the wrong contractor on a job, they are going to look bad. That said, there are lousy contractors out there. But I sure don't think you can lump them all together as to talent and ability. Otherwise companies would no longer use them. Using bad contractors would cost to much compared to the benefit they receive. And that effects profits.

Ah well, you have your opinion, I have my reality based on almost 10 years in the contract business, and even more where I was in a permanent position.
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2015, 06:33:54 PM »

SWL2002 is pretty much an anonymous post and it references two other anonymous people as in "I know a couple of guys that worked there until recently." Information from anonymous sources posted by an anonymous individual just is not believable. It might be true, it just has no credibility.

Make yourself know, disclose the sources, then we might be able to seriously evaluate the information.

Yes, but first please post your social security number here on this forum so we can verify that you are indeed WB8NUT and not someone who has stolen his identity.  How do we know that you are who you say you are?  

Simple, if your a real Ham operator then just log into QRZ and you can get his email address and then shoot him an email asking the "Real" WB8NUT if he made posts to this thread.  If he replies "Yes" then you know it's the real person.  I do that kind of verification all the time when people are selling stuff on eHam or QTH.

Of course if your not a real ham operator you won't be able to log into QRZ so he won't get an email from you.  WB8NUT please let us know what happens.



Don't lose any sleep over this guy.  Even if someone took him up on his offer by posting their SS number, he'd still refuse to post his call sign, if he even has one.  People suffering from paranoia can't help it as it's a form of mental illness, and since they are paranoid, they'd never trust someone to help them or even admit they need help.

Save the stupid psychobabble... it makes you look like an idiot.
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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2015, 06:38:10 PM »

Wow, a lot guys here sure have reading comprehension problems.  How do you get that he said that "Elecraft never used contract engineers" from JX's statement above?

I would like to know that too!!

Exactly... if TenTec lets an engineer go, or if that engineer finds better employment, than the company is in dire straits.

Yet, any other normal ham company that hires contractors when needed isn't an issue.

Double standard???

Pete


Notice how fast K1ZJH sidesteps and dances like a side show clown to draw attention away when someone points out his stupid attempt at creating a straw man.  JX never said anything about Elecrap, not to mention anything about contract engineers.  

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RE: RKR Designs LLC / Ten-Tec / Alpha Amplifiers
« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2015, 08:13:36 PM »

Quote from: SWL2002
 JX never said anything about Elecrap, not to mention anything about contract engineers.  

so why is it that you call Elecraft crap and want to give RKR a eulogy even though they are alive & kicking?
are you just a hater or are there amateur radio companies that you like?

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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2015, 03:40:12 AM »

The only thing that was keeping TEN TEC afloat when Jack owned it was their non-amateur work.  If they had relied on their Ham radio products, TEN TEC would have been belly up years ago.  Jack retired and then shortly unloaded the business.  The stuff that was keeping them afloat has dried up with several key people leaving.  They only have the Ham radio products now and most future products are on hold or canceled.  I know a couple of guys that worked there until recently and the news is not good.

SWL2002 is pretty much an anonymous post and it references two other anonymous people as in "I know a couple of guys that worked there until recently." Information from anonymous sources posted by an anonymous individual just is not believable. It might be true, it just has no credibility.

Make yourself know, disclose the sources, then we might be able to seriously evaluate the information.

Yes, but first please post your social security number here on this forum so we can verify that you are indeed WB8NUT and not someone who has stolen his identity.  How do we know that you are who you say you are? 

Nice sidestep to avoid addressing the issue. Still no credibility.
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