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N8YX

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« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2016, 09:50:36 AM »

Wouldn't it be better for Fred if this new forum were pay to read also?
It would be better if the focus was solely amateur radio, but that's JMHO.

Plenty of places 'round the Internet to discuss politics if one cares to.
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K6CPO

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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2016, 11:24:18 AM »

I don't think this move is about trying to rein in some of the worst abusers, but rather a ploy to drive more people to paid subscriptions.  Personally, I can see no advantage to subscribing.  Everything I could get there is available elsewhere for free.
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KJ3N

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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2016, 11:36:59 AM »

What gets me is why a pay to post when the  previous RCC and RCCII were looked at as hate sites.
 Wouldn't it be better for Fred if this new forum were pay to read also?

Based on the history over there, what would be better would be to not have that type of forum in the first place. As someone else has already mentioned, stick to the technical stuff and leave out BS.

Either that, or send the 6-12 troublemakers packing. Fred is apparently unwilling to give up that revenue stream. What I think he fails to recognize is that if this current incarnation goes (as I suspect) the way of the previous two, his advertisers may think twice about QRZ and he'll lose that revenue stream.

Wouldn't it be better for Fred if this new forum were pay to read also?
It would be better if the focus was solely amateur radio, but that's JMHO.

Plenty of places 'round the Internet to discuss politics if one cares to.

Exactly. I hear enough political, homophobic, and racist hate speech on the airwaves as it is. A lot of it on 75m. Quite a bit of it online as well. There's no need to poison another well.
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NO2A

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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2016, 11:45:46 AM »

I left that site a few years ago because of the hate. It was impossible to post a question or comment about anything without being lambasted in return.
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AC4BB

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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2016, 01:55:15 PM »

Wouldn't it be better for Fred if this new forum were pay to read also?
It would be better if the focus was solely amateur radio, but that's JMHO.

Plenty of places 'round the Internet to discuss politics if one cares to.

  It's not necessarily politics In fact:   After the warnings and banning and removal of threads most of it wasn't political.  Have you looked since it became a subscriber only forum. gross stuff. political, anything goes there.  So, how is it better than it had been?   It's a zoo now.
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K7MEM

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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2016, 02:07:45 PM »

IMHO, the forum that is going away, "Rag Chew Central II", was always a big waste.

When I see the QRZ forums, each one only shows the most recent posting. If it isn't something that sounds interesting, I move on. Seldom is there any reason to look into that forum. Just like the original "Rag Chew Central", It will not be missed.

The Technical Forums are much more interesting. But even with those forums, if the most recent posting doesn't sound interesting, I don't bother looking for anything else. And it is not different on eHam, or any of the other discussion groups. In less than 10 minutes I can scan the forums, on several sites, for something interesting. If I don't find anything, I move on to more interesting endeavors.

As for the new forum, "Just Talking", it would be nicer if they made it Read/Write Members Only. Or make it so that it doesn't even show up on a non subscribers screen.
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AC4BB

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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 02:17:06 PM »

  To put it mildly the reading is the "hook"  like the HBO/Cinemax free 0n a weekend every few months. :-*
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W1JKA

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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2016, 02:50:47 PM »

Apparently Fred doesn't have enough volunteer member moderators for continuous monitoring of his site to assist in locking controversial topics or posting rules violations and warn/ban frequent violators of same. Well run Forum based sites seldom have these problems.
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AC4BB

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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2016, 04:17:23 PM »

Apparently Fred doesn't have enough volunteer member moderators for continuous monitoring of his site to assist in locking controversial topics or posting rules violations and warn/ban frequent violators of same. Well run Forum based sites seldom have these problems.

There used to be an "election" of sorts vote for the  folks you would like to be mods that sort of faded away.  One of the mods they had then got too giddy and started having people banned for really nothing.
  He made the mistake of forwarding an e-mail  to a super mod,  that had the words "Personal and private info.  For your eyes only.  This mod e-mailed me with a stern warning  about taking up matters with a mod and not going to a super moderator.

  My response  was e-mails not addressed to you are a violation of Federal privacy laws and will  subject you to prosecution by the Courts of the US  Gov't" that e-mail was marked private and confidential.
   E-mails are treated the same as an USPS letter.
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WN2C

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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2016, 04:19:04 PM »

I left that site a few years ago because of the hate. It was impossible to post a question or comment about anything without being lambasted in return.

That happens here too!
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« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2016, 04:43:25 PM »

I can not wait for this to blow up in ol' freds face
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AC4BB

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« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2016, 05:13:20 PM »

I can not wait for this to blow up in ol' freds face

   I'll say this 2 years ago I had a few very reasonable questions about a product that was being advertised there.  And, a supermod didn't like questions being asked about it and sort of ran a smoke screen of sorts.

  I asked them again and wasn't sure if, my old Dell 2.4 GHZ had what it took to use it before I made a significant purchase?   Of course,  I got threatened with Ban nation if,  I asked about the specs.  No big big deal. I asked another question and drew 6 months for it.
  Good thing they don't sell cars it would have been a lifetime ban. :o
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W6EM

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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2016, 05:32:09 PM »

I left Fred's Place a couple of years ago.  I don't wish him any harm, but historically he's clipped way too much.  Including links to FCC data for certain amateurs.  Sure, they might have been problem children, but to clip them from the information database was, well, a tad too much.

Here, at least, you can browse a lot of content more efficiently.  And, I don't miss the Avatars either.......
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AC4BB

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« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2016, 05:58:40 PM »

  I'm glad to be here. Almost all of the advertisers I've spoken with have asked me  "Which forum tends to be the most fair and open?"  e-ham or QRZ  I said the e-ham is much more open and laid back without seeing a thread removed"   The thing there was a good social threat would suddenly disappear (Poof) it was gone.
  The common answer if, you got one was  "It  was beginning to look like it was going to be a problem"  No name calling no disputes among contributors)    Having this "Mystical" power that  you can predict "Future" problems is not a good thing.
  Mod mean moderation  saying "Well, Here's doom and gloom"  I can just taste it.
  I didn't talk religion, sex, very limited politics,  said something about a gun story a few years back and was told firearms or discussions were verboten.  OK, I'm cool with that.
  Brought up the licensing of Tim Allen, and was immediately told by another "Already posted here months ago "Old news"  Fact was: I didn't get a chance to read that thread because< I was in the Hospital  having a kidney removed that had 4.5 # tumor attached to it followed by rehab.
  Got called  a "liar" that when that happened I was actively posting and starting threads."

   When  I asked this person what date I was hospitalized he did not know.
  Funny, backtracking  I could not find not one single post by me during that time.
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KJ3N

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« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2016, 06:11:26 PM »

Apparently Fred doesn't have enough volunteer member moderators for continuous monitoring of his site to assist in locking controversial topics or posting rules violations and warn/ban frequent violators of same. Well run Forum based sites seldom have these problems.

I'd be willing to bet not having enough mods is related to Fred's overruling moderator actions when those actions are leveled against paying members.

Over the years, I've noticed different levels of moderation when it comes to paying versus non-paying members. I've been routinely amazed at what paying members have been able to get away with, while non-paying members seem to be punished for lesser violations.

Why would anyone take a moderator job on QRDead when your actions of trying to keep order (and actually being fair) are constantly countermanded because you dared to take action against a paying customer?
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