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KN6SD

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Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« on: July 28, 2018, 11:34:56 AM »

Let me ask a question of all the regulars on the Forum. How many of you think the average homeowner is aware of OTARD ( http://www.hindmansanchez.com/resources/article/fcc-otard-rule-concerning-satellite-dishes-and-antennas-questions-and-answers/ ) ???

When I had my business several years ago I dealt with homeowners all the time, and when the subject of cable tv prices and outdoor antenna options came up, most did not know that OTA TV was still an option. The folks that knew OTA TV was still available, thought they had to use an indoor antenna because of the HOA rules against outdoor installations.

So to answer my own question, I would say NOT Many, in fact I would say very few at best...

So what organization is threatened by antennas becoming the "Norm" in residential areas again??? The HOA's? CABLE TV Companies???

Let's see, HOA's are mostly non-profits with dues going into a general fund for the upkeep of the common areas/buildings that homeowners use. CAI represents HOA's and the industries that provide services to HOA controlled communities. CAI asked for some compromise language in the Amateur Radio Parity Act, but they didn't lobby for it to be Killed..

Now, suspect number 2: The Cable Companies... Do they care about ham radio? I would normally say, "NO".. But, I believe they do not want antennas becoming a "Normal" thing seen in the neighborhood again. AND!!! Sen. Bill Nelson has stated several times he is not a supporter of the OTARD rule.

So what do ya all think??? Is Sen. Nelson protecting the non-profit HOA folks, or is he a CABLE TV puppet???
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W1BR

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2018, 01:39:29 PM »

I've seen a lot of ads that promote OTA TV antennas as being some sort of semi legal means to "beat the cable companies."  Most folks don't realize that OTA free TV is available.  One odd fact is that cable TV franchises are required by law (must carry rules) for local stations... on the other hand, they must pay the TV stations for the privilege to carry the copyrighted material!  That always seemed rather odd to me.  But, if everyone who could would switch to OTA for local channels, then cable revenues might suffer.  I'm not sure if there are websites that show who contributed how much and to what congress critters, but I am sure the information would be interesting reading. Unfortunately the average millennial has been programmed to spend hundreds of dollars for phone and internet service to keep up with their buddies or browsing or entertainment. 
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N4UM

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2018, 02:00:47 PM »

On the other hand cable TV has been a great in terms of dramatically reducing TVI complaints.
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W6EM

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2018, 02:32:44 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......

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WB2KSP

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2018, 02:40:36 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



Excellent idea. I'd love to get an answer to that question.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2018, 03:07:16 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



Excellent idea. I'd love to get an answer to that question.

I'd also love to get an answer from you why you faded away when challenged to show how easy it is to buy a home without restrictions in Sarasota. Didn't see it? I'm sure you did as you responded to others immediately after. Another myth debunked.
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KN6SD

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2018, 03:53:16 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



I believe he stated at one of the hearings that the bill represented to much Government overreach on private agreements, and it may result in litigation.. And of course he supports the Affordable Care Act, which until recently Mandated that all U.S. citizens purchase a service from a PRIVATE VENDOR.... Sounds reasonable to me...……..
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K1VSK

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2018, 04:24:08 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



I believe he stated at one of the hearings that the bill represented to much Government overreach on private agreements, and it may result in litigation.. And of course he supports the Affordable Care Act, which until recently Mandated that all U.S. citizens purchase a service from a PRIVATE VENDOR.... Sounds reasonable to me...……..
The biggest criticism of Nelson in Florida is that he is a strict party line guy from the party of government overreach. And he is the poster child career politician. Even a blind squirrel finds the nut sometimes.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2018, 04:21:20 AM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



Excellent idea. I'd love to get an answer to that question.

I'd also love to get an answer from you why you faded away when challenged to show how easy it is to buy a home without restrictions in Sarasota. Didn't see it? I'm sure you did as you responded to others immediately after. Another myth debunked.



As for me, I have a life outside of ham radio and these forums. My answer to you Sarasota question would be that it all depends on what you are looking for in a house. The realtors & I were unable to find the kind of home I was looking for outside of an HOA. The Non HOA homes I was looking for (around $500,000)  were in down, less than desirable neighborhoods. A house may have been acceptable (what we saw would need much landscaping and rehabilitation) but the neighborhood was below par. As I said, I do have a life outside of ham radio.
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W6EM

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2018, 06:36:25 AM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......



I believe he stated at one of the hearings that the bill represented to much Government overreach on private agreements, and it may result in litigation.. And of course he supports the Affordable Care Act, which until recently Mandated that all U.S. citizens purchase a service from a PRIVATE VENDOR.... Sounds reasonable to me...……..
I, personally believe that he is incorrect on the former, and absolutely correct on the latter.  I am very concerned that a "PRB-1-like" 3-ring lawyer circus will be created since "reasonable" has never been defined and easily could have been: a 1/2 wave wire antenna.

I think that Nelson's other stances have supported what's best for his constituents, including the ACA.  As someone who tried to move from one state to another with a pre-existing medical condition that required new insurance, I can speak from experience about the disaster of what things were like before ACA.  Pay the federal tax, or pay for insurance from an available carrier.

OTARD wasn't just about protecting satellite companies' interests in selling subscription service.  It also mandated that outside, "over the air" TV antennas must be allowed in HOAs if banned by covenants.  Not many homes today that are built without a solid aluminum foil sheet glued to the wood under shingles (for heat radiation reduction).  Attic antennas don't work well inside Faraday cages.  Or, when the shingles or tiles are soaking wet from rain.

All in all, it is a rather strange position for a former astronaut to essentially oppose a technical hobby that has produced many scientists and engineers.  One that is in danger of extinction as fewer children have the permission to put up a simple outside wire to begin listening and eventually, if encouraged, get a license.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2018, 06:44:07 AM »





As for me, I have a life outside of ham radio and these forums. My answer to you Sarasota question would be that it all depends on what you are looking for in a house. The realtors & I were unable to find the kind of home I was looking for outside of an HOA. The Non HOA homes I was looking for (around $500,000)  were in down, less than desirable neighborhoods. A house may have been acceptable (what we saw would need much landscaping and rehabilitation) but the neighborhood was below par. As I said, I do have a life outside of ham radio.
Nonsense!

Homes exist of every size, type, price, quality, age, aesthetic, neighborhood and color in non-HOA neighborhoods in Sarasota. You claimed they do not and I offered to prove otherwise but clearly you wrote the above to hide the fact you'd rather make believe that excuse is true rather than see the truth.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2018, 07:30:37 AM »





As for me, I have a life outside of ham radio and these forums. My answer to you Sarasota question would be that it all depends on what you are looking for in a house. The realtors & I were unable to find the kind of home I was looking for outside of an HOA. The Non HOA homes I was looking for (around $500,000)  were in down, less than desirable neighborhoods. A house may have been acceptable (what we saw would need much landscaping and rehabilitation) but the neighborhood was below par. As I said, I do have a life outside of ham radio.
Nonsense!

Homes exist of every size, type, price, quality, age, aesthetic, neighborhood and color in non-HOA neighborhoods in Sarasota. You claimed they do not and I offered to prove otherwise but clearly you wrote the above to hide the fact you'd rather make believe that excuse is true rather than see the truth.
I was in Sarasota and when I inquired about housing in that area the only homes I was shown did not meet my requirements for a retirement home. I can only tell you what I saw and was shown. I probably did miss your examples. If you could repost them I'd be happy to respond.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2018, 08:02:17 AM »


I was in Sarasota and when I inquired about housing in that area the only homes I was shown did not meet my requirements for a retirement home. I can only tell you what I saw and was shown. I probably did miss your examples. If you could repost them I'd be happy to respond.

You claimed as a generality and repeatedly that there are no homes in Sarasota which allow antennas and which fit your requirements. What you should have claimed is that in your limited search, you didn't find any.

Rather than declare hams can't find non-HOA homes in Sarasota, it  appears you didn't try very hard. There are 3,084 homes currently for sale there.
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W1BR

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2018, 08:09:20 AM »

You offered to show him some examples of desirable non HOA encumbered homes in Sarasota.  He has graciously accepted your offer.  I'd like to see examples myself==perhaps a few Zillow listings could be shared with us?
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W6EM

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2018, 08:13:55 AM »

If only Zillow had an option to show "non-deed-restricted" homes and parcels to avoid such nonsensical responses as for how many homes are for sale.

I have a vacant lot (about 1/4 acre) in Ocala, 100 miles to the north, with no restrictions.  Make me an offer.  Not too far from John Travolta's place either....  Mycall at Newington's mailbox.

73.

Lee

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