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W1BR

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2018, 08:31:22 AM »

HOA is one issue... existing CC&R's may be forgotten and unknown but still enforceable.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2018, 01:31:50 PM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2018, 05:05:50 PM »

If only Zillow had an option to show "non-deed-restricted" homes and parcels to avoid such nonsensical responses as for how many homes are for sale.

I have a vacant lot (about 1/4 acre) in Ocala, 100 miles to the north, with no restrictions.  Make me an offer.  Not too far from John Travolta's place either....  Mycall at Newington's mailbox.

73.

Lee



Does that lot (which would require constructing a home to live in if it's a vacant lot) have access to public sewers, high speed internet (mine in NY is over 80 Kbps up & Down), natural gas utilities (even electric would be acceptable as I realize that natural gas service in Florida can be hard to come by) and a nearby downtown with supermarkets, shopping and good health facilities?
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2018, 05:09:21 PM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.

Didn't I say that I'd be willing to spend about $500,000 on a retirement home, if I were to move to Florida. My mother lives in Tampa and her neighborhood would meet most of my requirements but, they don't allow ham antennas.
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W1BR

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2018, 05:15:25 PM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.


I'd say the ball is in your corner... where are these homes you keep claiming to have an inside track on?  Quote:


I'd also love to get an answer from you why you faded away when challenged to show how easy it is to buy a home without restrictions in Sarasota. Didn't see it? I'm sure you did as you responded to others immediately after. Another myth debunked.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2018, 05:23:53 PM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.

Didn't I say that I'd be willing to spend about $500,000 on a retirement home, if I were to move to Florida. My mother lives in Tampa and her neighborhood would meet most of my requirements but, they don't allow ham antennas.
We need specifics for this to be objective:

Number BR/Bath
Size lot
Size house
Pool
Style - up/down, ranch, etc
Outdoor kitchen
Office
Garage size - 2/3 car or more
Water view
Dock
Laundry room
Furnished
Impact glass


Most home have sewer, water, internet/cable, gas, etc... so that's generic. Just saying $500,000 makes this too easy. I don't want to waste my time only to find something you omit.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2018, 07:14:01 PM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.


I'd say the ball is in your corner... where are these homes you keep claiming to have an inside track on?  Quote:


I'd also love to get an answer from you why you faded away when challenged to show how easy it is to buy a home without restrictions in Sarasota. Didn't see it? I'm sure you did as you responded to others immediately after. Another myth debunked.

Where did I say I have "an inside track"?

You add nothing to this debate. Further,  it doesn't involve you. It is to show that the claim he made that no unencumbered homes exist. Please don't interrupt.

I will be babysitting our grandkids tomorrow so assuming I get a response, I won't be able to prove that claim wrong for another day.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2018, 05:52:09 AM »

The point is such claims are unfounded. And using Zillow as an excuse by virtue of its vagueness is all the more silly. I could easily identify many homes where antennas are allowed but he never asked, nor did he say with any specificity what his needs/budget are.

Why people make excuses every time they are challenged to support their claims is obvious.

Didn't I say that I'd be willing to spend about $500,000 on a retirement home, if I were to move to Florida. My mother lives in Tampa and her neighborhood would meet most of my requirements but, they don't allow ham antennas.
We need specifics for this to be objective:

Number BR/Bath  - 3bd 2 bath
Size lot  1/4 to half an acre
Size house  Flexible
Pool - rather not have one
Style - up/down, ranch, etc  ranch preferable
Outdoor kitchen - Not necessary
Office  Not Necessary
Garage size - 2/3 car or more - 2car
Water view - Not Necessary
Dock - Not Necessary
Laundry room  - Yes
Furnished - Not Necessary
Impact glass - Not Necessary


Most home have sewer, water, internet/cable, gas, etc... so that's generic. Just saying $500,000 makes this too easy. I don't want to waste my time only to find something you omit.


Number BR/Bath  - 3bd 2 bath
Size lot  1/4 to half an acre
Size house  Flexible
Pool - rather not have one
Style - up/down, ranch, etc  ranch preferable
Outdoor kitchen - Not necessary
Office  Not Necessary
Garage size - 2/3 car or more - 2car
Water view - Not Necessary
Dock - Not Necessary
Laundry room  - Yes
Furnished - Not Necessary
Impact glass - Not Necessary (Assume this is hurricane proof glass. If so it would be nice but I'm flexible)
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K1VSK

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2018, 09:41:25 AM »

As i said, I have no time today but did want to show just one - more than fits your requirements. The ham selling has an 80 ft crankup in the back yard. Well under your budget:

$390,000
Price cut: -$25,000 (7/29)



2700 sq ft 4 BR/3 Bath

 "Has seclusion and privacy on an acre lot without the deed restrictions and fees. Do you need a place to park your boat or recreational/work vehicles? Are you looking for a house with a potential mother-in-law suite or a home office with separate entrance? Then this could be just what you are looking for! This home features a 1000 sq. ft. addition with separate entry, 2 ex-large bedrooms, both with huge closets plus a 1/2 bath."


More (Many more) to follow.
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K7JQ

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2018, 11:58:18 AM »

As i said, I have no time today but did want to show just one - more than fits your requirements. The ham selling has an 80 ft crankup in the back yard. Well under your budget:

$390,000
Price cut: -$25,000 (7/29)



2700 sq ft 4 BR/3 Bath

 "Has seclusion and privacy on an acre lot without the deed restrictions and fees. Do you need a place to park your boat or recreational/work vehicles? Are you looking for a house with a potential mother-in-law suite or a home office with separate entrance? Then this could be just what you are looking for! This home features a 1000 sq. ft. addition with separate entry, 2 ex-large bedrooms, both with huge closets plus a 1/2 bath."


More (Many more) to follow.

Having followed this thread for a bit, based on some of KSP's previous comments on other threads as to his retirement home requirements, there are some that haven't been addressed:

1. Is the home rural, or within reasonable distance to retail, restaurants, entertainment, health care, religious institutions, etc?
2. When was the home built? Does it have the latest building requirements/codes, construction, and energy efficiency?
3. Does it have municipal water, sewer, gas, cabled high speed internet, trash collection?
4. An acre is a lot of ground. Does he want the outdoor maintenance required for that in his retirement?
5. Maybe he can interject some that I have missed.

Being retired myself, and living in the Phoenix area of AZ (very similar to Florida housing), I completely understand KSP's frustrations. Even with a $500,000 budget, EVERY subdivision built out here in the last 25-30 years having his requirements are saddled with antenna restricted CC&R's, HOA enforced or not. And I get the impression he wants something built in the last 10 years or so. Buying a piece of land with NO CC&R's or other restrictions means "rural", and bringing utilities to that land has enormous costs before you even start building.

I'm not trying to be contrary...just relating what I've experienced living in AZ for the last 26 years. Finding a suitable ham antenna-friendly home is not as easy as it seems to some. Compromises are necessary, even at $500,000.

73,  Bob K7JQ
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 03:36:04 PM »

As i said, I have no time today but did want to show just one - more than fits your requirements. The ham selling has an 80 ft crankup in the back yard. Well under your budget:

$390,000
Price cut: -$25,000 (7/29)



2700 sq ft 4 BR/3 Bath

 "Has seclusion and privacy on an acre lot without the deed restrictions and fees. Do you need a place to park your boat or recreational/work vehicles? Are you looking for a house with a potential mother-in-law suite or a home office with separate entrance? Then this could be just what you are looking for! This home features a 1000 sq. ft. addition with separate entry, 2 ex-large bedrooms, both with huge closets plus a 1/2 bath."


More (Many more) to follow.

Having followed this thread for a bit, based on some of KSP's previous comments on other threads as to his retirement home requirements, there are some that haven't been addressed:

1. Is the home rural, or within reasonable distance to retail, restaurants, entertainment, health care, religious institutions, etc?
2. When was the home built? Does it have the latest building requirements/codes, construction, and energy efficiency?
3. Does it have municipal water, sewer, gas, cabled high speed internet, trash collection?
4. An acre is a lot of ground. Does he want the outdoor maintenance required for that in his retirement?
5. Maybe he can interject some that I have missed.

Being retired myself, and living in the Phoenix area of AZ (very similar to Florida housing), I completely understand KSP's frustrations. Even with a $500,000 budget, EVERY subdivision built out here in the last 25-30 years having his requirements are saddled with antenna restricted CC&R's, HOA enforced or not. And I get the impression he wants something built in the last 10 years or so. Buying a piece of land with NO CC&R's or other restrictions means "rural", and bringing utilities to that land has enormous costs before you even start building.

I'm not trying to be contrary...just relating what I've experienced living in AZ for the last 26 years. Finding a suitable ham antenna-friendly home is not as easy as it seems to some. Compromises are necessary, even at $500,000.

73,  Bob K7JQ


I thank you for your comment and I believe you've summed up my "wants" quite well. In my area of NY state $500,000 doesn't get you much and from what I've seen in the San Francisco bay area it gets you nothing. Florida is different though and that kind of money can get you a nice home. I've been told that I'm not flexible enough and I can't have everything I want. Funny, if I were to stay in NY (where the property taxes are among the highest in the country) I can get everything I want. I don't want to pay $15,000 and more annually in taxes alone when I live on a fixed income. That's a lot of money off the top which will only go in one direction over my lifespan. Of course where I live, no one tells me that I can't have a tower (If I so chose) or that I can only paint my home certain colors. My neighbors respect my privacy and I respect theirs (and I have no RF interference issues) My home was built in 1985. I can't imagine that my part of suburban NY state is the only area of the country where a person can purchase a home in a neighborhood (and anyone can see my neighborhood by searching Google maps and see that my neighbors haven't painted their homes in stripes and neon colors). I've lived in my county for 56 years. I was 6 when we moved here from New Jersey. I find it hard to imagine that my fellow citizens have so freely given up their individual rights when it comes to home ownership so easily. If more Americans thought about how easily they've relinquished their freedom of choice perhaps things would change.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 03:37:34 PM »

As i said, I have no time today but did want to show just one - more than fits your requirements. The ham selling has an 80 ft crankup in the back yard. Well under your budget:

$390,000
Price cut: -$25,000 (7/29)



2700 sq ft 4 BR/3 Bath

 "Has seclusion and privacy on an acre lot without the deed restrictions and fees. Do you need a place to park your boat or recreational/work vehicles? Are you looking for a house with a potential mother-in-law suite or a home office with separate entrance? Then this could be just what you are looking for! This home features a 1000 sq. ft. addition with separate entry, 2 ex-large bedrooms, both with huge closets plus a 1/2 bath."


More (Many more) to follow.

Could I have an address so that I can see what the home and neighborhood) actually looks like?
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KOP

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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2018, 10:43:39 PM »

Perhaps someone should go to one of Nelson's pre-election rallies and ask him to answer why he opposes both OTARD and now ARPA.

Listen carefully to his answer(s).  The larger the public venue, the better......




Additional Views of Senator Nelson:

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"While I appreciate the goals of S. 1685, I write to express my concerns about the approach taken by the legislation. I agree with my colleagues that amateur radio operators provide a key communications service in the nation. In fact, even the National Hurricane Center has acknowledged that amateur radio operators play an important role in collecting and disseminating information in emergency situations.

Given this role that they play, I believe it is important for homeowner's and community associations to try to work cooperatively with the amateur radio community to find ways to further the continued availability of these services.

That said, I have serious concerns about S. 1685 [the Senate identifier for H.R.555 identical to last yrs H.R.1301]. It is one thing to try to find a way to balance the interests of homeowner's associations and amateur radio operators. It is another to preempt the ability of those homeowner's associations to enforce privately-negotiated covenants and restrictions that have been entered into freely by the persons who voluntarily chose to live in those communities. In one fell swoop, this bill would effectively repeal parts of millions of private contracts and agreements relied upon by homeowners around the country.

I know that the bill's sponsors believe that their legislation continues to preserve a measure of authority for homeowners' and other community associations to protect their interests. And I respect the fact that this legislation takes a far different and more limited approach compared to the Over-the-Air Reception Device installation rules. But by requiring ``reasonable accommodations'' and the ``minimum practicable restriction,'' this bill would tie homeowner's and community associations' hands and leave them open to potentially endless litigation. And there is a fear that the broadly worded language of the bill - that it applies to ``any private land use restriction'' - could be read to preempt a landlord's ability to place limits on a renter.

It may be that another approach to this issue could gain my full support. But I will look very skeptically on any proposal that would limit the ability of homeowner's and community associations to prohibit the installation of amateur radio equipment in the communities governed by those associations.

That includes an approach that would require those associations to allow amateur radio operators to install effective antennas, as some have suggested. What is an effective antenna to one operator is very different to another - and a boundless legal standard like that again threatens these associations with endless litigation."

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/114th-congress/senate-report/400/1
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I considered a microwave oven magnetron and a 4' dish as a drone-killer. The ERP would be on the order of a hundred thousand watts or so. ~anon

November 28, 2018, 09:16:04 AM

K1VSK

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2018, 07:30:31 AM »



Could I have an address so that I can see what the home and neighborhood) actually looks like?

It's in Bradenton, about 700 feet from the Sarasota line, so it technically doesn't fit your desire to live in. Sarasota. It was intended only to demonstrate one example of available homes.

As Arnold said, "I'll be back"
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2018, 10:56:16 AM »



Could I have an address so that I can see what the home and neighborhood) actually looks like?

It's in Bradenton, about 700 feet from the Sarasota line, so it technically doesn't fit your desire to live in. Sarasota. It was intended only to demonstrate one example of available homes.

As Arnold said, "I'll be back"


Nevertheless I'd like an address so that I can see the example you presented.
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