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K7JQ

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2018, 06:05:54 AM »

Do people who chose to live in restricted covenant developments deserve to be visually assaulted with antennas; and another aspect which no one seems to mention is excessive RF exposure to residents?  The ARRL constantly pushes awareness of the environmental aspect of RF exposure in license testing questions  but not a peep when it comes to the parity act.  At least I never see this aspect discussed.  Why?  Because the ARRL and sycophant hams want to continue the myth that every ham radio operator/station is a potential emergency station. That the nation needs these radio communications resources as a foundation for emergency communications.  When it comes down to it the only exemption for a ham living in an HOA to be allowed to erect some antenna system is proof that said individual is indeed an ACTIVE member of ARES, RACES, etc.  If they can't prove their active status then no antenna.  Why should every ham who chooses to abide in an HOA have the ability to put up antennas for idle weather report chit chat nets, etc.? So much noise on this subject has been generated at the instigation of the ARRL.  Ham radio is a hobby where only a small percentage of the hobbyists are actively engaged in emergency volunteerism.  Most of the emergency radio communications occur on the VHF/UHF portions so antennas can conceivably be low profile. However, if I were a parent of a small infant or child living in an HOA using an upstairs bedroom and sharing a common roof with a ham running a 50 watt UHF signal..I too would not want that ham running his radio.  Again, the ARRL's hypocrisy on this subject is incredible. They'll do anything possible to promote ham radio even if they have to obfuscate the truth.

Sorry...I gotta jump in on this guy.

"Visually assaulted" with antennas?? A dipole, vertical, or even a little screwdriver antenna is visually assaulting? Remember, we're not asking for towers and beams. With restrictive covenants, you just have to be creative not to impact the aesthetics of the community. It can be done. But OK..."legally", according to the CC&R's, you shouldn't do it. I'll give you that one.

But the greatest fallacy of your post...RF exposure to residents in restricted covenant developments. So, you're saying that RF exposure to residents in UN-restricted developments is OK...a safer, kinder RF :D. Especially when unrestricted hams can run gobs of power up to legal limit (and sadly more) to their close-in antennas. Let me know how I can bottle-up some of that "safer" RF ::).
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KN6SD

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2018, 08:17:42 AM »

Do people who chose to live in restricted covenant developments deserve to be visually assaulted with antennas; and another aspect which no one seems to mention is excessive RF exposure to residents?  The ARRL constantly pushes awareness of the environmental aspect of RF exposure in license testing questions  but not a peep when it comes to the parity act.  At least I never see this aspect discussed.  Why?  Because the ARRL and sycophant hams want to continue the myth that every ham radio operator/station is a potential emergency station. That the nation needs these radio communications resources as a foundation for emergency communications.  When it comes down to it the only exemption for a ham living in an HOA to be allowed to erect some antenna system is proof that said individual is indeed an ACTIVE member of ARES, RACES, etc.  If they can't prove their active status then no antenna.  Why should every ham who chooses to abide in an HOA have the ability to put up antennas for idle weather report chit chat nets, etc.? So much noise on this subject has been generated at the instigation of the ARRL.  Ham radio is a hobby where only a small percentage of the hobbyists are actively engaged in emergency volunteerism.  Most of the emergency radio communications occur on the VHF/UHF portions so antennas can conceivably be low profile. However, if I were a parent of a small infant or child living in an HOA using an upstairs bedroom and sharing a common roof with a ham running a 50 watt UHF signal..I too would not want that ham running his radio.  Again, the ARRL's hypocrisy on this subject is incredible. They'll do anything possible to promote ham radio even if they have to obfuscate the truth.

Let me answer this post for the SECOND Time...….

OMG: Why do you (KC2QYM) hold an amateur license??? According to your version of science, every time you use your transmitter you're killing yourself!!!

Fortunately for ham radio, there are roughly 800,000 licensees and only about a dozen or so Pro CAI/Developer type hams that are against antennas and radios...…...

FYI: CAI made all of the same arguments against residential solar panel installations. You know, They're Ugly, they will lower property values, etc. etc. etc..

73,
Russ
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K7JQ

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2018, 08:35:22 AM »

Perhaps QYM doesn't transmit enough to glow in the dark yet ::). One advantage to exposure...you don't need a night light to navigate to the bathroom at 2AM ;).
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K1VSK

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2018, 04:54:03 PM »


Fortunately for ham radio, there are roughly 800,000 licensees and only about a dozen or so Pro CAI/Developer type hams that are against antennas and radios...…...



73,
Russ
Lamp post statistics just make your argument weaker.

The truth is that virtually no hams living in an HOA complain here. Rather, a bunch of people who don't,  can't mind their own business because of all things - they don't like it when someone interferes with their choices. The monumental irony seems to escape you.

Meanwhile, the few ARPA proponents here lost, again. Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
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WA7PRC

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2018, 05:40:01 PM »

Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
Parodying the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade (link):

          "Ours is not to ask which.
          Ours is to whine and bîtch."


My apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.  ;)
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KN6SD

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2018, 08:38:28 PM »

Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
Parodying the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade (link):

          "Ours is not to ask which.
          Ours is to whine and bîtch."


My apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.  ;)

Uh, gee Bryan aren't the one that constantly whines and cries about Contracts and how others should be stuck with a bad deal for life..... You might want to look in the mirror.....
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KN6SD

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2018, 08:40:33 PM »


Fortunately for ham radio, there are roughly 800,000 licensees and only about a dozen or so Pro CAI/Developer type hams that are against antennas and radios...…...



73,
Russ
Lamp post statistics just make your argument weaker.

The truth is that virtually no hams living in an HOA complain here. Rather, a bunch of people who don't,  can't mind their own business because of all things - they don't like it when someone interferes with their choices. The monumental irony seems to escape you.

Meanwhile, the few ARPA proponents here lost, again. Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.

Yeah, we all believe you, now mind your own business at the CAI Headquarters :^)
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WA7PRC

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2018, 08:46:09 PM »

Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
Parodying the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade (link):

          "Ours is not to ask which.
          Ours is to whine and bîtch."


My apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.  ;)

Uh, gee Bryan aren't the one that constantly whines and cries about Contracts and how others should be stuck with a bad deal for life..... You might want to look in the mirror.....
No. I have offered alternatives for those who whine about their contracts (and want government to abrogate them).
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KN6SD

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2018, 08:50:42 PM »

Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
Parodying the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade (link):

          "Ours is not to ask which.
          Ours is to whine and bîtch."


My apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.  ;)

Uh, gee Bryan aren't the one that constantly whines and cries about Contracts and how others should be stuck with a bad deal for life..... You might want to look in the mirror.....
No. I have offered alternatives for those who whine about their contracts (and want government to abrogate them).

Most hams don't go to people like you for advice, they contact the organization that represents amateur radio.. You know, the ARRL...…..
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WA7PRC

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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2018, 08:58:13 PM »

Hopefully, the whining will eventually cease and they/you will mind your own business.
Parodying the poem The Charge of the Light Brigade (link):

          "Ours is not to ask which.
          Ours is to whine and bîtch."


My apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson.  ;)

Uh, gee Bryan aren't the one that constantly whines and cries about Contracts and how others should be stuck with a bad deal for life..... You might want to look in the mirror.....
No. I have offered alternatives for those who whine about their contracts (and want government to abrogate them).

Most hams don't go to people like you for advice, they contact the organization that represents amateur radio.. You know, the ARRL...…..
So, they intentionally limit their choices.

In this case, they want to NOT consider mobile, portable, and remote operation. They must operate ONLY at home using an outdoor antenna. Too bad. I've had a gas ragchewing/DXing/contesting using mobile and portable stations, and found a remote demonstration quite interesting.
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RE: Ham Antennas - A profit Threat???
« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2019, 10:34:08 PM »

Source: Amateur Radio Parity Act: Setting the Record Straight

"... 90 percent of new housing starts in the United States are subject to private land-use restrictions. Virtually all of these have provisions that either prohibit outdoor Amateur Radio antennas outright, or else subject amateurs to the unlimited discretion of Homeowners’ Associations (HOAs) which can, and almost always do, reject requests for outdoor antennas (except over the air video delivery antennas, which they can’t prohibit any longer due to Congressional action in 1996) ..."

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