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W9IQ

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2019, 01:45:10 PM »

Here are my comments as posted on the FCC site:

I oppose the request for rule making on the basis that it is an extensive duplication of GMRS services and it places non-certified transmitters in the hands of potentially technically inept individuals.


Duplication of Services

The purpose, licensing method, and privileges proposed in RM-11829 are largely a duplicate of the licensing method, frequency range, power limitations, and repeater infrastructure already permitted for GMRS licensees. Agencies such as CERT are freely able to make use of GMRS services and licensees as this type of activity is clearly permitted:

§95.1703   Definitions, GMRS.
General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS). A mobile two-way voice communication service, with limited data applications, for facilitating activities of individual licensees and their family members, including, but not limited to, voluntary provision of assistance to the public during emergencies and natural disasters.


Non-Certified Transmitters

The petitioner proposes that the licensing method for the Tyro class of license be an on-line license application with test questions about “radio etiquette and usage rules”. Yet the Amateur Radio service benefits from the use of non-certified transmitters on the basis that the licensed operator has sufficient technical knowledge so as to ensure compliance with the regulations with regard to power, bandwidth, and spectral purity. Other FCC regulated radio services that require only knowledge of “usage rules” require certified transmitters to force compliance in these matters.

With this request for rule making, we will be placing non-certified transmitters in the hands of potentially technically inept operators. Clearly this proposal runs contrary to the certification architecture set forth by the FCC to ensure clean airwaves and useful services.
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W0BKR

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2019, 05:03:32 PM »

No "ham" left behind...
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K3UIM

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2019, 10:27:52 PM »

I came to an ugly realization the other morning. At about 3:00 am, as I was waiting for the sleeping pills to take affect on my 85 year old body, I figured I would check the Novice section of 40 meters for some nice slow CW senders. (Getting back in after 25 or 30 years away.)

After several CQ tries, it dawned on me that I'm looking for ghosts past! Is the Novice license still in existence?? Who else besides another O.F. like myself would even be on at this hour? And how many of them would be sending below 25 or 30 wpm? <hidden text> Soft sound of old man sobbing all over his night shirt <end text>

Boy! Was it different 40 or 50 years ago! It was great! Any time of day, 24-7! … progress!  sigh. HI

Charlie, K3UIM
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W1VT

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2019, 11:22:04 PM »

It is 2AM and there is plenty of activity on 80M FT8 (06Z)
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F8WBD

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2019, 01:49:25 AM »

To Charlie, K3UIM
 
I recommend joining SKCC and sending your Morse CQ on their frequencies. Band and hour of choice. Slow-speed operators can be found. I remember those sleepless nights at 3AM.  Keep pounding brass.
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K3UIM

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2019, 03:44:46 PM »

WBD: I belong and now I'll check out their "Novice" freq's. Hi. TU
Charlie, K3UIM
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W1VT

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2019, 06:08:23 PM »

Details   W1VT   TI2WMP   2019-05-04 06:07:00   80M   FT8   3.57327   COSTA RICA
Details   W1VT   KF5ALL   2019-05-04 06:13:00   80M   FT8   3.57327   UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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K1VSK

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2019, 05:04:33 AM »

It is 2AM and there is plenty of activity on 80M FT8 (06Z)
hardly the same thing. You should know that.
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K3UIM

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2019, 11:37:07 PM »

Amen, VSK. And, FT8?? WTH is that? (Hi) Been away for a l-o-n-g time and haven't the foggiest idea how to climb on that particular horse yet. Just trying to get enough qso's to hopefully some day get my speed of 20 or so WPM's back. (Taint easy, McGee!!)
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KD9FRQ

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2019, 02:56:46 PM »

No "ham" left behind...
I never leave ham behind.  I always clean my plate and have the waist line to back up the statement.
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N9AOP

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2019, 06:07:28 PM »

In this area we offer the CERT folks a ham-in-a-day-class.  They all seem to pass and then go out and get their Chinese HT.  Not many use them after that but at least they are licensed.  Since the FCC is a govt. agency I guess that they have to run with every proposal, no matter how out worldly it is.  If there was a $1,000 filing fee it would stop a lot of the BS.
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W1VT

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2019, 07:04:41 AM »


After several CQ tries, it dawned on me that I'm looking for ghosts past! Is the Novice license still in existence?? Who else besides another O.F. like myself would even be on at this hour? And how many of them would be sending below 25 or 30 wpm?

Charlie, K3UIM


I typically send CW between 22 and 24 wpm.  I had a stroke so my sending isn't as good as it was 30 years ago.  
I think that happens to everyone that has ataxia.  I have been able to work 320 countries on CW since the stroke.

It helps if you can run an amplifier, as a lot of stations do have noise issues these days.
Even better if you have directional receive antennas to pick up weak signals on the low bands.

According to EQSL I've made 19082 CW contacts since signing up, more than FT8 and SSB combined!

I've considered learning to copy on a keyboard to increase my code speed, but it is very rare that someone will send too fast for me to copy in my head.
It would be nice to get my 30 and 35 wpm code proficiency endorsements.  I just have the stickers for 20 and 25 wpm.

Zak W1VT
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 07:16:07 AM by W1VT »
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K4EMF

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2019, 11:34:12 AM »


After several CQ tries, it dawned on me that I'm looking for ghosts past! Is the Novice license still in existence?? Who else besides another O.F. like myself would even be on at this hour? And how many of them would be sending below 25 or 30 wpm?

Charlie, K3UIM


I typically send CW between 22 and 24 wpm.  I had a stroke so my sending isn't as good as it was 30 years ago.  
I think that happens to everyone that has ataxia.  I have been able to work 320 countries on CW since the stroke.

It helps if you can run an amplifier, as a lot of stations do have noise issues these days.
Even better if you have directional receive antennas to pick up weak signals on the low bands.

According to EQSL I've made 19082 CW contacts since signing up, more than FT8 and SSB combined!

I've considered learning to copy on a keyboard to increase my code speed, but it is very rare that someone will send too fast for me to copy in my head.
It would be nice to get my 30 and 35 wpm code proficiency endorsements.  I just have the stickers for 20 and 25 wpm.

Zak W1VT

If and when I ever get the Extra exam behind me I plan to relearn CW.   Back in the 70's when I first got started I was just about at 20 wpm.
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LYFAN

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RE: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2019, 03:08:22 PM »

It is a kinda pointless proposal. Yes, hams can be of use in shelters and disasters. yes, CERT should be able to communicate. But CERT teams can *only* be sponsored by an emergency management organization. OEM, Fire, PD, municipal emergency agency, something similar. All of which qualify for Part90 licenses and many of which already have them. CERT teams have the ability to use Part90 radios, including repeaters. And to communicate with their sponsoring agencies--police and fire, etc--who are already using those radios and frequencies.

Putting basically untrained people on the ham bands during disasters? Just doesn't seem like a really great way to accomplish communications, especially versus the existing other means.

Might as well turn it around and say "Ham radios can be used on MURS, GMRS, and FRS in order to communicate with..." and put the (allegedly) trained operators on the equipment that the untrained ones are already allowed to use. A (horrible! dreadful! sacriledge!) cheap BaoFeng that may hams have as a spare, and many CERT members have for Part90 use, will cover all of those services, if it is programmed for them.

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AJ5AE

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Re: The New "Cereal Box" License Class
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2020, 01:29:43 AM »


While these are laudable goals, a simpler approach would be to issue "tyro" operators a no-examination license similar to the Third Class Radiotelephone Operators license.  Operators would use the call signs of stations, licensed for the purpose, as is done with aircraft communications.  These stations would operate above the Amateur Radio segment of the 70CM band.


I do not believe that there was ever an exam free Third Class Radiotelephone Operator Permit.  I had to go to the FCC office in downtown Los Angeles, California to get my Third Class Radiotelephone Operator Permit.  I renewed it twice and the second renewal gave me the same license under the new name of Marine Radio Operator Permit.  Do not confuse either of these names with the no exam required Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit.

James
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