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Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« on: June 12, 2019, 01:23:58 PM »

I'm considering a Hustler 5 band 80m - 10m trap 25 foot vertical; but I would have to install it and remove it partially assembled every time I plan to turn on my HF rig... I would love to just tilt it, but my backyard is tiny, with houses right next door on both sides and we are currently renting this house.  We are considering buying this home, but we would not be doing so until next summer.  Has anyone come across the issue of a temp install of a vertical that can be easily installed and partially removed fairly fast to comply with HOA? 

I just put up a Chameleon Antennas EMCOMM II EFHW, but I'm wanting something that allows me to turn on my 500w amp.

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. 

73, Mark / WU6R

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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2019, 01:36:38 PM »

I’m not sure I understand why you think the speed with which it can be removed has any bearing on compliance with your CA’s rules. Perhaps you could share the relevant portion of your CC&Rs regarding antennas.

Having said that, there are a few ham retailers, e.g., DXEngineering, which advertise antennas which can be broken down easily for transport, tripod based, lightweight, etc... you might consider if you aren’t wedded to the Hustler antenna.
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 02:42:08 PM »

The idea is that it would be fast and easy to setup and take down so that I could setup and take down every day I plan to use it and never leave it up overnight so as not to violate HOA with a permanent antenna.
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2019, 04:15:38 PM »

500 watt amp with people living in your hip pocket?  Wonder how well that will work out? Good luck..
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2019, 06:10:06 PM »

The idea is that it would be fast and easy to setup and take down so that I could setup and take down every day I plan to use it and never leave it up overnight so as not to violate HOA with a permanent antenna.
i get that, however, unless your rules specifically state “permanent antenna” differentiating that from any temporary one is irrelevant. Most HOAs with which I am familiar make no such distinction regarding rules about permanence of antennas nor do they exempt nighttime from antenna limitations.

What do your rules state?
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2019, 06:21:46 PM »

VSK Said: "Most HOAs with which I am familiar make no such distinction regarding rules about permanence of antennas nor do they exempt nighttime from antenna limitations."

Yet another reason to remove the HOA shackles and shenanigans with a PRB-1 Law that applies to them as well.

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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2019, 07:43:39 PM »

You can insert the Hustler vertical into a (thin wall) PVC pipe and build a remote tilt-up base fixture using a linear actuator motor.  This will allow you to tilt it up from your shack when needed and promptly lower it when finished.  You can further camouflage the arrangement by some tasteful paint plus adding a US flag at the top.

I lived in HOA communities for 30 years and used this arrangement without any harassment's in several locations.

Email me directly to discuss the design.

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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 03:20:59 AM »

I have a 5BTV ground mounted. It is pretty easy to remove and carry over to the patio for work.

I just undo the hose clamp around the base of the lower tube, lift the antenna straight up off the mount, then swing the base end to the right and while sliding my left hand along its length to catch it so it does not hit the ground, so it is transported horizontally. It has enough momentum that you don't have to be extremely fast in doing this.

I throw a small dark blue tarp over the mount where the radials attach. It's done more to keep bugs and dirt off the NoAlox anti-seize which makes taking it apart very easy. Planted some low evergreen bushes near the base so no one can see the base with the antenna removed.

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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2019, 06:24:45 AM »

VSK Said: "Most HOAs with which I am familiar make no such distinction regarding rules about permanence of antennas nor do they exempt nighttime from antenna limitations."

Yet another reason to remove the HOA shackles and shenanigans with a PRB-1 Law that applies to them as well.

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Such comments are neither helpful or relevant to his question. Why waste your time with nonsense which is unhelpful?
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 07:18:16 AM »

The idea is that it would be fast and easy to setup and take down so that I could setup and take down every day I plan to use it and never leave it up overnight so as not to violate HOA with a permanent antenna.
i get that, however, unless your rules specifically state “permanent antenna” differentiating that from any temporary one is irrelevant. Most HOAs with which I am familiar make no such distinction regarding rules about permanence of antennas nor do they exempt nighttime from antenna limitations.

What do your rules state?

I agree with VSK. I've never seen any CC&R differentiation between permanent and temporary antennas. It's usually total prohibition or possible approval by the Architectural Committee. If the HOA happens to see your antenna when it's up, then you're at their interpretation of how to handle it.

If you're not going to ask for permission (if that's a spelled out option), then I'd recommend going stealth, such as attic installation. Or if you have privacy walls around your property like we do in AZ (6 feet), keep the antenna primarily below that. A 25 foot vertical would stick out like a sore thumb. A ground-mounted screwdriver would be less obtrusive, and effective under the right conditions. So would a tripod-mounted loop. As someone else mentioned, enclosing the Hustler in a PVC pipe disguising it as a flagpole is a good idea.

On another note, you mentioned a tiny backyard. Do you have room for radials, and sufficient room away from your house for a vertical? Lack of either one will severely impact the efficiency of a vertical. And with a 500W amp, you're inviting various RFI problems with any antenna.

Just my two cents. Good luck.

73, Bob K7JQ
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2019, 07:40:10 PM »

I'm considering a Hustler 5 band 80m - 10m trap 25 foot vertical; but I would have to install it and remove it partially assembled every time I plan to turn on my HF rig... I would love to just tilt it, but my backyard is tiny, with houses right next door on both sides and we are currently renting this house.  We are considering buying this home, but we would not be doing so until next summer.  Has anyone come across the issue of a temp install of a vertical that can be easily installed and partially removed fairly fast to comply with HOA? 

I just put up a Chameleon Antennas EMCOMM II EFHW, but I'm wanting something that allows me to turn on my 500w amp.

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. 

73, Mark / WU6R

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The only real solution for you is installing telescoping pole/tower that can be raised and lowered on demand. There are towers like thus made for industrial and military use. They use pressurized air to operate. Though the cost is very high - starts close to $10K and goes up from there.

You can also consider vertical that can be hidden between trees and not much visible from outside of your property.


 
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2019, 10:27:13 PM »

VSK Said: "Such comments are neither helpful or relevant to his question. Why waste your time with nonsense which is unhelpful?"

VSK... The answer should be Obvious: His efforts to get around the HOA are not the problem.
The HOA is the problem. Eliminate the HOA from the process, and you have eliminated the problem.
PRB-1, as currently instituted for municipalities needs to applied to HOAs, and then this is all solved.
Permanently, once and for all.

Not that stealthig an antenna is a bad idea or anything.
Gets it out of the wind and the weather. ;-)


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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2019, 05:43:01 AM »

VSK Said: "Such comments are neither helpful or relevant to his question. Why waste your time with nonsense which is unhelpful?"

VSK... The answer should be Obvious: His efforts to get around the HOA are not the problem.
The HOA is the problem. Eliminate the HOA from the process, and you have eliminated the problem.
PRB-1, as currently instituted for municipalities needs to applied to HOAs, and then this is all solved.
Permanently, once and for all.

Not that stealthig an antenna is a bad idea or anything.
Gets it out of the wind and the weather. ;-)


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He lives in an HOA. You offer no solution; just an alternate reality based on how you think the world should be which helps no one. Kind of like background noise.
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WU6R

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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2019, 01:40:19 PM »

Thanks for all the comments from everyone.  It gives me more to think about.  I don't have a copy of the HOA bylaws yet.  Still need to review those. 
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RE: Considering Hustler 5-BTV Vertical for HOA Community
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2019, 02:26:28 PM »

VSK Said: "Most HOAs with which I am familiar make no such distinction regarding rules about permanence of antennas nor do they exempt nighttime from antenna limitations."

Yet another reason to remove the HOA shackles and shenanigans with a PRB-1 Law that applies to them as well.

73 DE W8LV BILL

Such comments are neither helpful or relevant to his question. Why waste your time with nonsense which is unhelpful?
IMO, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (he can't resist the urge). It's similar to what happens when you vigorously scratch a dog's rump -- the dog's hind leg automatically starts scratching. I've seen him do that in many Antenna Restriction threads on eHam and elsewhere. Sad, actually.

I’m not sure I understand why you think the speed with which it can be removed has any bearing on compliance with your CA’s rules. Perhaps you could share the relevant portion of your CC&Rs regarding antennas.

Having said that, there are a few ham retailers, e.g., DXEngineering, which advertise antennas which can be broken down easily for transport, tripod based, lightweight, etc... you might consider if you aren’t wedded to the Hustler antenna.
^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^
DX Engineering shows two tilt-base accessories available that work with the Hustler / New-Tronics BTV-series verticals (link).
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