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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2019, 09:56:33 PM »

Every Antenna erected right under the snouts of the HOA Jackboots should be celebrated.
Under shingles, inside caulking, Attic antenna installations, the Fine Wire Dipole. Each one a Victory.

Maybe just getting antennas exempted from HOA Rule doesn't go far enough...

In places like Hurricane Prone Florida, maybe it should be a law that they MUST have an antenna.

Come to think of it,
Gated Communities THEMSELVES are quite an EYESORE...
Perhaps a law limiting all of those disgusting Fences and Gates could be enacted...
Fence height, square feet, egress...
They are a hinderence to wildlife, natural drainage patterns, plant growth.

The Florida Landscape would sure look a lot better WITHOUT all of those gates and fences.
I think that say a State Law limiting fence height to 3 feet high should be the limit... And down with the Berlin Wall fences that they have now... Outright banning the "compound" perimeter fences.

This could be added to the Laws that don't allow them to regulate:
Clotheslines
Flags
Solar Panels.
 
And we need a law allowing dog houses.

Environmental Groups,Pet Groups, and others could sure get the ball rolling on stuff Ike that....



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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2019, 06:02:14 AM »

Will this stupidity ever end? Sounds like 2 kids fighting over a toy...MINE! MINE!... Gets old reading the same things over and over again.

Why not put down the keyboard and pick up a mic. That's better use of HR time.
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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2019, 10:37:06 AM »

Good point Stan.  I recently talked with some friends that are on the board of a large local HOA.  They told me that it probably wouldn't be any problem to allow someone to have a small antenna on their lot but if you do this then what do you do when someone i.e. an OTR trucker asks to park his tractor in his driveway on weekends.  No exceptions means lots of peace of mind to over 90% of the HOA occupants.
Art
BTW I do not live in a HOA.
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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2019, 02:48:26 PM »

HOA Logic: "We can't allow you to do that, because if we do, then someone will want to do something ELSE."

So: Nobody gets to do anything.

Because they said so.

So There!

Enjoy your Piece of Mind!

This is EXACTLY why we need to get the HOA out of the "decision making"
Process.

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2019, 11:17:56 AM »

HOA Logic: "We can't allow you to do that, because if we do, then someone will want to do something ELSE."

So: Nobody gets to do anything.

Because they said so.

So There!

Enjoy your Piece of Mind!

That might be, but isn't necessarily true. It is not a black and white type of thing. There's a lot of gray areas in there.
You can still play radio when living in an HOA, as others have posted in this topic.
You might not be able to do it the way you would with not living in an HOA, but you can still do it.
You just have to adapt to your surroundings a bit.

This is EXACTLY why we need to get the HOA out of the "decision making"
Process.

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Do you know what is the best part of beating your head against a brick wall? It feels so good when you stop.

There is no way you'll ever get HOAs out of the "decision making process" so to speak in areas where they exist. It just isn't going to happen. Like it or not, HOAs do have a valid purpose, and reason for existence. It is what it is. We as hams, are a fairly small and insignificant (to most people) component of the population. If there are 300M people in the US, and 700K of us, that works out to 0.2% of the overall population, more or less. Nobody is going to bend over backwards for two people out of a thousand. Expecting that to change is unrealistic at best. And although we think it should be otherwise, in the grand scheme of things we just aren't that important to 99.8% of the population.

Let the 99.8% of the people have their peace of mind. That's great! It just makes it easier for me to fly under the radar and do what I want to do anyways.
The worst thing I could possibly do, is make a big stink about it. That would really mess up my ability to stay under the radar and keep other people's noses out of my business.
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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2019, 11:02:43 PM »

"There is no way you'll ever get HOAs out of the "decision making process" so to speak in areas where they exist."

Oh?
Au Contrairé:
YES WAY!

Things the HOA Masters no longer regulate, because people are mad as hell, and they decided not to take it anymore:

Flagpoles.
Clotheslines.
Solar Panels
Satellite Dishes.

And it's time to get them OUT of Amateur Radio.


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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2019, 02:59:25 PM »

There is an ARRL board committee working on it, the Legislative Advisory Committee.

Have you heard when the committee will finish and report back to the Board?

ARRL News today:

Ad Hoc Legislative Advocacy Committee to Meet with Lawmakers.  http://www.arrl.org/news/ad-hoc-legislative-advocacy-committee-to-meet-with-lawmakers

Key points:  

- ARRL AHLAC will be meeting with Congress members this month
- New lobbying firm "The Keelen Group"
- Report to ARRL Executive Committee Oct 12
- ARRL Board will take up the issue at January 2020 meeting

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WB2KSP

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2019, 04:13:27 PM »

There is an ARRL board committee working on it, the Legislative Advisory Committee.

Have you heard when the committee will finish and report back to the Board?

ARRL News today:

Ad Hoc Legislative Advocacy Committee to Meet with Lawmakers.  http://www.arrl.org/news/ad-hoc-legislative-advocacy-committee-to-meet-with-lawmakers

Key points:  

- ARRL AHLAC will be meeting with Congress members this month
- New lobbying firm "The Keelen Group"
- Report to ARRL Executive Committee Oct 12
- ARRL Board will take up the issue at January 2020 meeting




Thanks for this. I was about to post it myself. Good to see that the  league is on the verge of introducing a new version of the parity act. There's still hope.
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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2019, 05:52:51 PM »

"There is no way you'll ever get HOAs out of the "decision making process" so to speak in areas where they exist."

Oh?
Au Contrairé:
YES WAY!

Things the HOA Masters no longer regulate, because people are mad as hell, and they decided not to take it anymore:

Flagpoles.
Clotheslines.
Solar Panels
Satellite Dishes.

And it's time to get them OUT of Amateur Radio.


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Actually, all of those things can still be regulated, but not blanketly denied.
Flagpoles - placement and size can be regulated.
Clotheslines - placement and times of hanging clothes can be regulated.
Solar Panels - placement can be regulated.
Satellite dishes - placement can be regulated.
Still - the regulatinon of the above is now orders of magnitude better than in the past.
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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2019, 08:08:18 AM »

I think the antenna restriction issue was lost long ago and the ARRL knows it.

Just take a look at QST over the years. They are pushing hard the operating concept of "get out in the field" with programs like SOTA, National Parks On The Air, etc, as opposed to having a home station. More an more articles in QST are related to that topic than building home station. Technology has evolved to the point where small portable HF radios are more feasible and the ARRL is quietly taking advantage of the changes in technology to distance themselves from antenna restriction battle.

The ARRL sat on the issue too long back when the first restrictions came out and now the beast is too big to fight. It is nearly impossible to buy a house in a newer or nice area without with an HOA or civic deed restrictions. Many governing documents have gone beyond the ugly tower or antenna and are using more specific verbiage to prohibit amateur radio operators to be creative.

I think we are seeing the ARRL slowly washing their hands of the antenna restriction issue. Disappointing as the ARRL is supposed to be an advocate just as the NRA is to firearms. They did not act when they should have year ago and now the ship has sailed.

I hope they prove me wrong going forward.
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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2019, 09:44:44 PM »

I think the antenna restriction issue was lost long ago and the ARRL knows it.

Just take a look at QST over the years. They are pushing hard the operating concept of "get out in the field" with programs like SOTA, National Parks On The Air, etc, as opposed to having a home station. More an more articles in QST are related to that topic than building home station. Technology has evolved to the point where small portable HF radios are more feasible and the ARRL is quietly taking advantage of the changes in technology to distance themselves from antenna restriction battle.

The ARRL sat on the issue too long back when the first restrictions came out and now the beast is too big to fight. It is nearly impossible to buy a house in a newer or nice area without with an HOA or civic deed restrictions. Many governing documents have gone beyond the ugly tower or antenna and are using more specific verbiage to prohibit amateur radio operators to be creative.

I think we are seeing the ARRL slowly washing their hands of the antenna restriction issue. Disappointing as the ARRL is supposed to be an advocate just as the NRA is to firearms. They did not act when they should have year ago and now the ship has sailed.

I hope they prove me wrong going forward.

I guess you didn't read the message above highlighted with: "Ad Hoc Legislative Advocacy Committee to Meet with Lawmakers"

One thing that many people may not realize is that one of the members of the legislative committee is Fred Hopengarten, K1VR. He literally wrote the book on antenna zoning, both for Amateur Radio and commercial:

https://www.antennazoning.com/main/page_amateur_radio_antenna_zoning_book.html

I think he will be a big asset to the committee and help with getting some legislation that actually has some teeth. Another thing to note is that Fred was steadfastly against the last version of ARPA that probably would have done more harm than good for the amateur radio community.
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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2019, 03:45:49 PM »

Yep! ARRL Doing the Good Work!

"Ad Hoc Legislative Advocacy Committee to Meet with Lawmakers"
Here's the Link!
http://www.arrl.org/news/ad-hoc-legislative-advocacy-committee-to-meet-with-lawmakers

SUPPORT THE ARRL.
JOIN, OR RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP TODAY.

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« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2019, 04:46:44 PM »

Yep! ARRL Doing the Good Work!

"Ad Hoc Legislative Advocacy Committee to Meet with Lawmakers"
Here's the Link!
http://www.arrl.org/news/ad-hoc-legislative-advocacy-committee-to-meet-with-lawmakers

SUPPORT THE ARRL.
JOIN, OR RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP TODAY.

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2019, 12:13:23 AM »

Just a plain member here, as I don't have the means to be a Life Member.
Give to the "Spectrum Defense Fund"/Diamond when I can.
College Kids expenses for our family are staggering at this point in time...

I hope in retirement to be able to give time to the league.
To pay it forward.

And I also look forward to a tour.



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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2019, 05:58:50 AM »

Just a plain member here, as I don't have the means to be a Life Member.
Give to the "Spectrum Defense Fund"/Diamond when I can.
College Kids expenses for our family are staggering at this point in time...

I hope in retirement to be able to give time to the league.
To pay it forward.

And I also look forward to a tour.



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My kids are already done with college and out of the house. I became a life member  just before the most recent cost increase and a year or so before I retired from work. Nothing wrong with standard membership (I became a member in the 1970's and didn't change that sttaus until last year). My point is that if you are a ham, the league is a worthwhile organization to join. I have no desire to run for any office. I just feel that with the demands made for RF spectrum made by other powerful interests, the league is our only serious way to sustain ham radio as we know it.
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