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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2019, 03:30:02 PM »

My kids are sort of "Late Bloomers"... I'm told by others that this is "normal" nowadays for this generation.
And it's hard for me to wrap my head around the concept. I was established at 17-18 years old,
and by the end of University I was in pretty good shape. While it did take me five years to get a four year degree, I didn't owe anything when I graduated.

My money went MUCH further than it does now, relatively speaking
On $250/Month circa 1980, I wasn't exactly farting through silk, but could keep an old car going,
pay rent, and still have generic beer and pizza on the weekends....

Today, I watch every Penny.. So just annual ARRL dues, etc.
Wife says that I always DID watch every penny, nothing's changed.

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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2019, 05:42:17 PM »

Don’t move to a nazi hoa place that simple
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W8LV

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2019, 11:25:02 PM »

IF you can find one...

Meanwhile, back at Radio Ranch, the ARRL IS currently working on the HOA and CC&R Problem.

SUPPORT THE ARRL.
Please Join or Renew Today.


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K1VSK

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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2019, 07:31:52 AM »



Meanwhile, back at Radio Ranch, the ARRL IS currently working on the HOA and CC&R Problem.




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What “problem”? Please be specific.

According to the ARRL poll results listed in the October 2019 QST, less than 10% of hams indicated CC&R restrictions prevented them from having the antenna they desire. Less than 10%!

As the League only represents a fraction of the population, the actual percentage is far less. And of that small fraction, it’s likely most don’t care.
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W8LV

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« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2019, 10:59:40 AM »

K1VSK said:

"As the League only represents a fraction of the population, the actual percentage is far less"

Oh Don,

While that WAS a good attempt on your part to commit a Type II Classic Error in Logic,
The actual percentage MUST be FAR MORE, given that would be a larger population:
From the 85% of hams who DON'T belong to the ARRL.

Again, Nice Try though...
And it's far MORE LIKELY that they DO care.
Because the HOA Problem is without a doubt being UNDER REPORTED.

A LAW taking the HOA Jackboots OUT of the Loop will bring CHANGE.

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K1VSK

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« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2019, 11:19:33 AM »

K1VSK said:

"As the League only represents a fraction of the population, the actual percentage is far less"

Oh Don,

While that WAS a good attempt on your part to commit a Type II Classic Error in Logic,
The actual percentage MUST be FAR MORE, given that would be a larger population:
From the 85% of hams who DON'T belong to the ARRL.

Again, Nice Try though...
And it's far MORE LIKELY that they DO care.
Because the HOA Problem is without a doubt being UNDER REPORTED.

A LAW taking the HOA Jackboots OUT of the Loop will bring CHANGE.

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Come back when you have something other than conjecture and petulant hatred to support your delusion. I cited data. Your  judgments seem based only on unsupportable perceptions. You would be better served educating yourself. 
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W8LV

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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2019, 03:00:39 PM »

No Don, I'm not leaving. As I am sure you should recall, and many others do:
I cited source material to you several times, and you chose to take the opportunity at.that time to accuse me of making something up. You further explained that there's 50 (and later you said even more) happy happy HOA Hams living there with you. We haven't heard from them, either.

So instead, YOU Go Away, Don.

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K1VSK

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« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2019, 03:12:38 PM »

No Don, I'm not leaving. As I am sure you should recall, and many others do:
I cited source material to you several times, and you chose to take the opportunity at.that time to accuse me of making something up. You further explained that there's 50 (and later you said even more) happy happy HOA Hams living there with you. We haven't heard from them, either.

So instead, YOU Go Away, Don.

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Never suggested you "go away". Quite the opposite - I suggested you come back when you have something substantive and supportable to report.

To be clear, your basis for argument was limited solely to a subjective statement of opinion by the League written to support their position, one that has never been quantified or validated by any evidence.

So we are back to the issue of your credibility or what's left of it to support your perception.

I don't hold out much hope for you providing any substantive reply with data or facts but life is full of surprises. It shouldn't be this difficult for you (unless there is no basis).
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W8LV

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« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2019, 03:44:00 PM »

Don,

I cited source material, which you discounted.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, any Fourth Grader could see through your Type II Error in Logic.
It's a larger number and not a smaller number of hams who are having problems with HOAs,
Just by extrapolating the percentage to the 85% of hams who don't belong to the ARRL.

And this doesn't include under reporting, by hams intimidated by the Draconian HOA Jackboots,
along with the hams operating with hidden antennas in spite of the HOAs, of which I am certain there are NUMEROUS Hams doing just that.


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K1VSK

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« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2019, 04:49:12 PM »

Don,

I cited source material, which you discounted.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, any Fourth Grader could see through your Type II Error in Logic.
It's a larger number and not a smaller number of hams who are having problems with HOAs,
Just by extrapolating the percentage to the 85% of hams who don't belong to the ARRL.

And this doesn't include under reporting, by hams intimidated by the Draconian HOA Jackboots,
along with the hams operating with hidden antennas in spite of the HOAs, of which I am certain there are NUMEROUS Hams doing just that.


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Clearly, it’s not possible to have a fact-based debate with you. Or one involving elementary school mathematics. Please reconsider my earlier suggestion about learning before talking/writing.
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W8LV

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« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »

K1VSK said: "Clearly, it’s not possible to have a fact-based debate with you. Or one involving elementary school mathematics. Please reconsider my earlier suggestion about learning before talking/writing"

Don: You're clearly exhibiting two dimensional thinking here...

It's a pity.

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W9FIB

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« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2019, 07:47:35 PM »

To VSK and LV...

I see you 2 children are at it again. Why not both of you hang it up? The real losers are those who look for real knowledge here. You 2 don't bring any.
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73, Stan
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RE: Hams with CC&R's get left in the cold by ARRL!
« Reply #87 on: October 08, 2019, 06:47:26 AM »

To VSK and LV...

I see you 2 children are at it again. Why not both of you hang it up? The real losers are those who look for real knowledge here. You 2 don't bring any.

I agree. They're just pissing into the wind at each other. As I see it, until (if ever) any legislation gets passed to allow antennas in restricted communities, hams have three choices:

1. Don't buy into HOA/CC&R antenna banned communities.
2. Obey the rules, and don't erect any antennas. Find other ways to operate: mobile, or buy into one of those remote sites that have popped up recently.
3. Develop innovative ways to erect stealth antennas that aren't visible to neighbors or the HOA. This option is very real and, although compromised, can let you enjoy the hobby from home.

Otherwise, just going back and forth with statistics or other opinions and proposals won't accomplish anything other than taking up space on the forum.

73, Bob K7JQ
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K1VSK

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« Reply #88 on: October 08, 2019, 07:14:31 AM »

To VSK and LV...

I see you 2 children are at it again. Why not both of you hang it up? The real losers are those who look for real knowledge here. You 2 don't bring any.

Not sure what knowledge isn’t “real” but perpetuating bogus perceptions shouldn’t be condoned here or anywhere. Nor should the thread police...
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W8LV

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« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2019, 07:24:09 AM »

No.

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