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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2019, 10:29:34 AM »

Anyone bothered by having to disquise a radio antenna . . . as a symbol of liberty and freedom ?
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K1VSK

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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2019, 11:23:19 AM »

Anyone bothered by having to disquise a radio antenna . . . as a symbol of liberty and freedom ?

Anyone is free to live wherever they chose. Some chose to live where rules exist. And then complain about the rules as if it usurps their freedom.
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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2019, 03:16:13 PM »

Anyone bothered by having to disquise a radio antenna . . . as a symbol of liberty and freedom ?

I do and I don't.
I would prefer that we all have the personal property rights that folks have out in the sticks.  But you need some level or control and restriction even out in the sticks.  Say you live in the country, and I move in next to you and I REALLY love rap music and I have  the means to play that crap LOUD.  Like rock concert loud with 50000 watts of bass that can be heard for miles.  And I collect junk cars, and get yearly visits from American Pickers.  You good with that?  I mean we are out in the sticks.  So if I want to pump the bass until you can see ripples in your cup of coffee in the morning as the bass goes boom, are YOU good with that right?  (don't care much for rap in reality, but I do tend to crank Pink Floyd to rock concert levels).

Point is this, we all want to be able to do what we want to do. 
Is it ironic that since we would be otherwise restricted from NO antenna, the idea of putting up an antenna that is camouflaged  from view by it looking like a flag pole flying the very symbol of our freedom, yeah, the irony there is thick enough to cut an axe.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2019, 03:33:52 PM »

.... thick enough to cut an axe.

Some metaphors here are adorable
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2019, 08:06:37 PM »

Anyone bothered by having to disquise a radio antenna . . . as a symbol of liberty and freedom ?

Does not bother me at all. It is way to have an antenna that does not offend most people. Can't say all in this forum thanks to a certain person who should probably find a different hobby because instead of helping find a reasonable solution just says the ideas are garbage. Please stop raining on my flag.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2019, 08:25:05 AM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom". Rather it's a case of contract law. If you move into a CC&R/HOA bound community, you are in effect signing a contract to obey the land use restrictions pertaining to your parcel. If you didn't read and understand the restrictions, that's on you. You didn't do your homework, simple as that. Whining about your antenna restrictions after the fact serves no purpose, and the only way to get relief is through legislation, which so far has not happened. If so provided, you might get approval from an HOA Architectural Committee. But if your plans are rejected, then you're SOL, and you've alerted them that you're a ham radio operator, which could put you under greater scrutiny in the future.

Now, if you want to "circumvent" the restrictions by attempting to install some form of stealth antenna(s) that won't visually impact the community or cause a threat to anyone's safety, health and welfare, then that's a personal choice, realizing any consequences if you're caught. It's important to understand the "consequences". This is not a high crime and misdemeanor. You won't be prosecuted, thrown in jail, initially fined, be evicted from your home, or have it repossessed. The HOA will first issue a notice of violation, telling you to remove your antenna, which you should immediately do to avoid any fines or further reprimands. Obey the violation notice and all is forgotten...you have no legal recourse. That's it...don't spend a lot of money or construction time in your antenna quest. Any further stealth attempts, pretty much concealed in an attic, is up to you.

I don't advocate breaking the rules, just relating what can happen if you do. Do so at your own risk. This has been my experience, having lived in three such communities in the last 27 years. I knew the rules, never whined about them, and made attempts to still enjoy my hobby in some fashion. In my first house, I easily put up a vertical, and was told to remove it. I did, and then used attic dipoles with a measure of success...no repercussions. In my second house, I managed to get Architectural Committee approval for a multi-band vertical. In my current home, I was flatly rejected permission for a vertical, and fortunately due to a hill behind my house, I have been operating for the last 12 years with a well camouflaged ground-mounted screwdriver antenna and dipoles in the attic. Again, at my own risk. My living priorities don't include a tower and beam. If yours do, then avoid the hassle and buy elsewhere.

73 and Happy Holidays,

Bob K7JQ
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2019, 11:31:00 AM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2019, 12:52:18 PM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.

No doubt about that ;). No argument from me if you can put an antenna inside it. 
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« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2019, 02:15:11 PM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.
Do you live in an HOA community? For extra credit, did anyoneforceyouto do so if in fact you do live in one?
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2019, 02:53:29 PM »


I don't advocate breaking the rules, just relating what can happen if you do. Do so at your own risk. This has been my experience, having lived in three such communities in the last 27 years. I knew the rules, never whined about them, and made attempts to still enjoy my hobby in some fashion. In my first house, I easily put up a vertical, and was told to remove it. I did, and then used attic dipoles with a measure of success...no repercussions. In my second house, I managed to get Architectural Committee approval for a multi-band vertical. In my current home, I was flatly rejected permission for a vertical, and fortunately due to a hill behind my house, I have been operating for the last 12 years with a well camouflaged ground-mounted screwdriver antenna and dipoles in the attic. Again, at my own risk. My living priorities don't include a tower and beam. If yours do, then avoid the hassle and buy elsewhere.

73 and Happy Holidays,

Bob K7JQ

Bob,

I've admired your antenna photos on QRZ before.

Is the hilltop antenna site visible from the housing tract? I've wondered why you didn't go to a taller whip, or maybe some capacitive top loading, or even a higher profile antenna than the Tarheel, to try and get a little more performance.

I also wonder it the hilltop property is actually part of the tract. It might not actually be covered by the HOA, and potential issues would be between you and the actual landowner, not the HOA.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2019, 07:13:46 PM »

Jim K6JH,

The screwdriver is only visible from one spot at a cul de sac up the street. Even from that very far vantage point, it just looks like a twig among the various desert shrubs and bushes. I didn't want a taller whip or capacity hat for two reasons. One, the lower profile with nothing sticking out or taller, the less possible attention it could draw. Didn't want to push my luck with something larger and more visible. Two, a longer whip or hat would compromise/delete coverage on the higher bands (10, 12, 15 meters). It now covers all frequencies from 3.5-29.7 MHz, SWR on any adjusted frequency is less than 1.5:1. No tuner needed.

Frankly, I have no idea who owns that spot on the hill...never asked, didn't want to. Could be part of the community common area, or maybe state trust land in the desert. This was a case of better to ask for forgiveness than for permission ;). All I know is that it's been up there for over 12 years without incident, and no adverse impact to anyone or anything.

I felt that if it was caught by the HOA, I'd just take it down. Again, this is not a high crime or misdemeanor. Nothing would happen if I complied with any violation. Had to give it a shot, and so far so good.

73, Bob K7JQ
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2019, 08:22:29 PM »

All Hams that buy homes in CC&R/HOA/Special District antenna restricted/prohibited communities are hereby mandated they use HamShpere or QSONet instead of developing/listening to radio frequency signals.

The end.

 :)


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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #87 on: December 13, 2019, 03:23:35 AM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.
Do you live in an HOA community? For extra credit, did anyoneforceyouto do so if in fact you do live in one?

I really don't think my support for fellow hams should be judged by where I have property. But I do own properties in both HOA and non-HOA areas. Not that it really matters. I can support the idea of good legislation to help fellow hams even if I was just a renter, or a street bum, or whatever. Why can't you do the same thing? Even if you don't support legislation, you could just treat other hams as fellow human beings. Maybe this is the wrong hobby for you since you seem to yell at everyone with a differing opinion. Not sure, but just my opinion based on your writings.

Good luck with your diatribes.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2019, 05:14:29 AM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.
Do you live in an HOA community? For extra credit, did anyoneforceyouto do so if in fact you do live in one?

I really don't think my support for fellow hams should be judged by where I have property. But I do own properties in both HOA and non-HOA areas. Not that it really matters. I can support the idea of good legislation to help fellow hams even if I was just a renter, or a street bum, or whatever. Why can't you do the same thing? Even if you don't support legislation, you could just treat other hams as fellow human beings. Maybe this is the wrong hobby for you since you seem to yell at everyone with a differing opinion. Not sure, but just my opinion based on your writings.

Good luck with your diatribes.

Your suggestion that I am disrespectful of others simply because I have a different opinion than yours is astonishing. Perhaps someday you might realize you are doing precisely what you dislike by applying your rules to others who neither want nor need your interference.

If you live in an HOA, work to change the rules. It’s done all the time. If, as you imply, you don’t live in an HOA, you have no business interfering in our lives by trying to change the rules to which we agreed.

Referring to this as “yelling at everyone” is a gross exaggeration and a disingenuous characterization which serves only to indicate you really can’t dispute my message so you attack the messenger.

Picture a bunch of kids all getting along having fun playing a game within the rules. Now add some outside child enter the picture who insists on changing the game to suit him/her. The analogy is exact.
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Re: HOA Lapdogs Beware:The ARRL is BACK!
« Reply #89 on: December 13, 2019, 09:18:51 AM »

All this is not a case of "liberty and freedom".

True but we were discussing a very narrow slice of the topic, a flag pole, which when flying the national flag is a case of celebrating our liberty and freedom.
Do you live in an HOA community? For extra credit, did anyoneforceyouto do so if in fact you do live in one?

I really don't think my support for fellow hams should be judged by where I have property. But I do own properties in both HOA and non-HOA areas. Not that it really matters. I can support the idea of good legislation to help fellow hams even if I was just a renter, or a street bum, or whatever. Why can't you do the same thing? Even if you don't support legislation, you could just treat other hams as fellow human beings. Maybe this is the wrong hobby for you since you seem to yell at everyone with a differing opinion. Not sure, but just my opinion based on your writings.

Good luck with your diatribes.

Your suggestion that I am disrespectful of others simply because I have a different opinion than yours is astonishing. Perhaps someday you might realize you are doing precisely what you dislike by applying your rules to others who neither want nor need your interference.

If you live in an HOA, work to change the rules. It’s done all the time. If, as you imply, you don’t live in an HOA, you have no business interfering in our lives by trying to change the rules to which we agreed.

Referring to this as “yelling at everyone” is a gross exaggeration and a disingenuous characterization which serves only to indicate you really can’t dispute my message so you attack the messenger.

Picture a bunch of kids all getting along having fun playing a game within the rules. Now add some outside child enter the picture who insists on changing the game to suit him/her. The analogy is exact.

LOL Sure. Will make a note of that. (Darn, no paper, oh well.) Keep attacking everyone that disagrees with you. I just call it like I read it.

Good luck with your diatribes.
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