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N8AUC

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2020, 09:31:01 PM »

I will also, I refuse to get caught up in false panic and media hype

Hamvention plans already made. The camp site is reserved and paid for.
Unless someone suffers a stupidity spasm and cancels it, I'm going, and that's all there is to it!

See y'all in Xenia!

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N9FB

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2020, 05:21:55 PM »

to be fair, it will really be up to the vendors and the potential attendees on whether they deem any concerns are warranted.  if our nation proactively tests and contains those who have it here (someone just tested positive here in Indianapolis), we can probably get ahead of this problem and keep it from becoming a big deal.  i have no expertise here, but i am thinking we should get a much clearer picture of the problem here in the next week or two.
has Hamvention released any statement(s) on the topic yet?
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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2020, 05:56:38 PM »

It is not simply up to the attendees and vendors. It is a public health concern. Those thousands of people return home to potentially infect hundreds of thousands other folks.

Many European countries have already banned large gatherings such as concerts and trade shows to prevent the spread of the contagion. If you think that is unwarranted, look how fast the situation escalated in Italy.

Yes, Hamvention has said that they are monitoring the situation and are working with county health officials.

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N9FB

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2020, 12:20:35 AM »

It is not simply up to the attendees and vendors. It is a public health concern. Those thousands of people return home to potentially infect hundreds of thousands other folks.

Many European countries have already banned large gatherings such as concerts and trade shows to prevent the spread of the contagion. If you think that is unwarranted, look how fast the situation escalated in Italy.

Yes, Hamvention has said that they are monitoring the situation and are working with county health officials.

- Glenn W9IQ

well stated Glenn.  (by "to be fair" i meant that if the Hamvention folks were to cancel it at some point on the advice of health officials -- or if the situation here escalates to the point where real health concerns caused vendors to begin pulling out and ticket sales to plummet -- it would not be what a previous post above described as a "stupidity spasm" for it to be cancelled)
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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2020, 03:56:52 PM »

By the looks of some people that attend hamfests, I would the the coronavirus would be deathly afraid of infecting any of them. Especially after eating hamfest food.
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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2020, 06:39:32 PM »

I've been doing this for many years: lung infection? Nebulize colloidal silver, problem gone. It cures pneumonia overnight. The U.S Army tested it and proved it works great. Big Pharma will not test it, ever, because they can't patent it...
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KA7RRA

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2020, 01:03:47 AM »

I'm planning  on going  I'm going to drive from the  Everett/Lake Stevens Washington area  to Zeina (SP)
unless something happens

I was at the Mike and Key Hamfest over the weekend. Attendance I heard was down to 1500 from the expected 3000

It all depends on what happens in the next few months  they might have a cure by then
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K0UA

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2020, 07:38:04 AM »

I wonder why we don't cancel things for the Flu?  Regular flu has killed over 18,000 people in just the USA so far this season.  Covid 19 has killed 3892 so far this season WORLDWIDE!.  Think about that.  About 28 deaths in the US so far.

Over 80,000 confirmed cases in mainland China and slightly over 3000 deaths.  Over 62,000 people worldwid have already recovered.

We have 566 confirmed cases in the US so far, for Covid-19, we have over 30 million confirmed cases of "regular" flu so far in the US.



Someone please explain why we are panicking? I would really like to know.
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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2020, 02:07:01 PM »

Well, there is one difference... The flu has been around for a long time and we have developed treatments for the flu and a vaccine that is more or less effective. Covad-19 is brand new and we have not developed either for it at this time. It will take some time for the medical teams to develop effective treatment and a preventive vaccine. The CDC says a usable vaccine may take a year to a year and a half. So, caution is probably a really good idea at this time. Tell people the truth and let them decide for themselves how to react. It took some time for the medical teams to develop the vaccine for infantile paralysis (poliomyelitis) and a lot of things were cancelled and folks stayed home to avoid its spread. What we don't need is for the powers-that-be to feed us baloney and call it caviar!

'nuff said!  :)

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K9ZW

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2020, 05:53:58 PM »

With today’s announcement that the Visalia DX is off due to virus concerns, will Hamvention happen?

Odds anyone?

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Steve
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NN4ZZ

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2020, 03:10:13 AM »

With today’s announcement that the Visalia DX is off due to virus concerns, will Hamvention happen?

Odds anyone?

73

Steve
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The latest (3-Mar-2020) status on the Hamvention web page is here and says it is still on:

 https://hamvention.org/hamvention-corona-virus-notice/

But perhaps they should update it daily since it states there are no cases in Ohio, which is wrong and the link they provide bears that out.   Since this is an international event they need to consider more than just the Ohio attendees anyway. 

If they expect people to rely on their status and news it needs to be kept current, maybe even daily updates.  Perhaps someone on the team should take that on so people can get their updates from the official site. 

Al / NN4ZZ  (planning to go but would like to know sooner than later if they cancel)

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N9FB

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2020, 04:45:04 AM »

i am no expert, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt and correct me if i am wrong --

it is hard to know where this will all be in mid-May, which is still 8 weeks out.  Hamvention, the vendors, and the local community all likely have concerns and we will probably have a much better picture a week from now on whether this keeps blowing up here and also how health officials and businesses are deciding to handle it.

it is important not to panic, but taking proactive measures to contain this "flu virus on steroids" makes sense.  As has been pointed out the flu kills thousands, yet we are not stocking up toilet paper and water over that.  getting in a car every day is probably far more risky to our health, but you dont see people calling for no non-essential driving, or cars with ten times the amount of air bags...   otoh conventions bring a lot of people to a locality and much of the attendees do a lot of world travel or are from distant locations.  the local community and the vendors may feel the health risks outweigh any financial boon the convention brings...

in the worst cases the severity of symptoms can be very debilitating and make a person wish they were dead or even cause them to die.  young people are least likely to die from COVID-19; the few out of 100 cases that do lead to death are usually folks who are quite elderly and / or have underlying pre-existing health conditions, but if the few out or every 100 who die are your self, your loved ones, or your friends then it is a huge problem and a community like Xenia may have warranted concerns as might attendees of a convention... still --

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For most, the virus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and a cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia.

The vast majority of people recover.

According to the World Health Organization, people with mild illness get better in about two weeks, while those with more severe illness may take three to six weeks to recover. In mainland China, where the virus first exploded, more than 80,000 people have been diagnosed and more than 58,000 have recovered.

source: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2-new-covid-19-cases-in-indiana-boost-states-total-to-6/2234480/
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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2020, 02:11:10 PM »

Will other factors force DARA's hand to cancel/postpone the 2020 Hamvention?

Will any gathering of the size of Hamvention be insurable in the short/medium term?

Thinking perhaps not so easily, if at all.

Hmm...(the pondering comes from the rash of local events of all types being canceled, and that my college age kids - who are all hams BTW - have been told ALL of their coursework will be remote netbased after this week's start of Spring Break). 

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Steve
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N9FB

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2020, 05:19:36 PM »

this seems to be a good website for world data (numbers, charts, graphs, etc) on the Coronavirus: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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WI8P

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Re: Coronavirus and Hamvention Attendance
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2020, 02:32:41 AM »

this seems to be a good website for world data (numbers, charts, graphs, etc) on the Coronavirus: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is also a good website for tracking info: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

For those comparing the Coronavirus to the flu: STOP! The flu mortality rate is .1 percent. The mortality rate for the Coronavirus is yet to be determined but is somewhere between 1 to over 3 percent, meaning it's far more severe than the flu. And those numbers are without the virus mutating, which it certainly will do, so numbers could reach 5 percent or more. So at the least, the Coronavirus is 10 times more deadly than the flu and could be thirty to fifty times more deadly. On top of those sobering numbers, Hamvention draws an older crowd which is exactly the age demographic the virus is hardest on.  IF Hamvention takes place, I suspect the attendance will be dramatically smaller with vendor participation equally affected.
 
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