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K1VSK

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2020, 03:30:40 PM »

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I can only describe what is available here and can assure you anyone who claims there are no new residential areas with no CC&Rs here is full of nonsense. Interestingly, HOAs remain more popular here.

Let's qualify what a "new residential area" means. To me out here, it's a national or local builder that develops a single subdivision, or master-planned community comprised of several builders. They can be "cookie-cutter" or custom home developments. They *ALL* have CC&R's. Even purchasing a single parcel of land to have your own private contractor build a custom home might have CC&R's attached to it by the previous owner. Now, I'm strictly referring to CC&R's, whether or not they contain antenna restrictions or are enforced by an HOA. Any ham better check on it before buying, or they'll be SOL.

No "nonsense" on what I stated above. I guess you have different circumstances in Florida.

73, Bob K7JQ
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Only a portion of new construction here is in so-called master planned communities - I’d estimate about half of all new homes here have CC&Rs. And I’m referring to the Tampa Bay to Ft Meyers area which encompasses roughly 4 million people. 

Bottom line to this - availability varies widely, making generalities about not being able to find a suitable home here is ridiculous and we still can’t get the League to admit they have no clue how many hams are affected by HOA antenna limitations. Nor do they apparently care to find out.
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K7JQ

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2020, 04:22:48 PM »

Wow...half of all new home communities don't have CC&R's out there! I never would have thought that. I guess that's why you have so many hams in Florida. Then again, most people from the densely populated northeast flock to Florida when they retire, get close to it, or just plain get fed up with the cold weather. My entire extended family from Philly moved to south Florida, and I was the lone renegade that moved to Arizona :). Despite antenna restrictions, I'm very happy with my decision.

In the last 28 years in AZ, I'm now in my third new-built house, all in CC&R/HOA's. Believe me when I say that I searched new communities far and wide in the Phoenix metropolitan area over the years, and they all had/have CC&R's with antenna restrictions. We always wanted new, never lived-in homes, so I had to consider my priorities and make compromises.

73,  Bob K7JQ
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K1VSK

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2020, 04:46:20 PM »

Wow...half of all new home communities don't have CC&R's out there! I never would have thought that. I guess that's why you have so many hams in Florida. Then again, most people from the densely populated northeast flock to Florida when they retire, get close to it, or just plain get fed up with the cold weather. My entire extended family from Philly moved to south Florida, and I was the lone renegade that moved to Arizona :). Despite antenna restrictions, I'm very happy with my decision.

In the last 28 years in AZ, I'm now in my third new-built house, all in CC&R/HOA's. Believe me when I say that I searched new communities far and wide in the Phoenix metropolitan area over the years, and they all had/have CC&R's with antenna restrictions. We always wanted new, never lived-in homes, so I had to consider my priorities and make compromises.

73,  Bob K7JQ
Been to Phoenix a few times and really liked it. Have family there too. Great place to live but I know nothing about this subject as it applies there.

Here, I can walk down the street and see a nice 82 ft crank-up behind a house that isn’t more than 10 years old; probably newer. Not much further away, I recently saw a 50 ft tower adjacent to a brand new home in a new development. As the cliché goes, home is what you make it.

The only reason I participate in these discussions is to add a tiny bit of clarity to some wildly uninformed and misleading generalities.
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W9FIB

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2020, 04:05:09 AM »

The only reason I participate in these discussions is to add a tiny bit of clarity to some wildly uninformed and misleading generalities.

Your clarity is then based on your area. Not based on everywhere as you try to make it seem. So for some your clarity is incorrect.
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73, Stan
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K1VSK

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2020, 05:03:13 AM »

The only reason I participate in these discussions is to add a tiny bit of clarity to some wildly uninformed and misleading generalities.

Your clarity is then based on your area. Not based on everywhere as you try to make it seem. So for some your clarity is incorrect.
That’s what I said!
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N8AUC

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2020, 06:25:30 AM »

Even purchasing a single parcel of land to have your own private contractor build a custom home might have CC&R's attached to it by the previous owner.
73, Bob K7JQ

That statement makes me curious.
Let's say you buy a single parcel of land to build on, and there are CC&R's attached by the previous owner.
Now that you're the owner, is it possible to remove the previous CC&R's? And if so, how would you go about doing that?

I assume it would be different if that parcel were in an undeveloped area as opposed to a developed one?

I looked at the deed for my house. And found that there is a CC&R on it. This CC&R says basically I can't build a bar
or tavern serving liquor to the public, and that's it. Nothing about antennas or anything else. We don't have an HOA,
so this isn't an HOA thing. Note that I am located in what Ohio calls an "incorporated municipality", so we have the
usual city government with a mayor, elected city council, etc. I have no desire to build a bar or tavern, but if for
some reason I wanted to get the CC&R removed from a piece of property I own, could I do it?

73 de N8AUC
Eric
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K7JQ

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2020, 07:56:00 AM »

Even purchasing a single parcel of land to have your own private contractor build a custom home might have CC&R's attached to it by the previous owner.
73, Bob K7JQ

That statement makes me curious.
Let's say you buy a single parcel of land to build on, and there are CC&R's attached by the previous owner.
Now that you're the owner, is it possible to remove the previous CC&R's? And if so, how would you go about doing that?

I assume it would be different if that parcel were in an undeveloped area as opposed to a developed one?

I looked at the deed for my house. And found that there is a CC&R on it. This CC&R says basically I can't build a bar
or tavern serving liquor to the public, and that's it. Nothing about antennas or anything else. We don't have an HOA,
so this isn't an HOA thing. Note that I am located in what Ohio calls an "incorporated municipality", so we have the
usual city government with a mayor, elected city council, etc. I have no desire to build a bar or tavern, but if for
some reason I wanted to get the CC&R removed from a piece of property I own, could I do it?

73 de N8AUC
Eric

Eric, I honestly don't know. I'm not an attorney, but it sounds logical to me that if you're the only new owner of a total single parcel of land conveyed by a previous owner, applying to the municipality to remove the CC&R's could be a possibility. The issue would be different if for instance the previous owner had a parcel of land divided into two lots, one you purchased and the other to someone else. Then both you and the other new owner would have to agree to modify/delete the CC&R's. Otherwise, if you erected a tower and the other guy doesn't like it, he can sue you to remove it, even without an "HOA" to enforce the CC&R antenna restriction.

When/if you decide to build a bar or tavern, check it out with your municipality ;).

73, Bob K7JQ
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K1VSK

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2020, 11:51:56 AM »

Even purchasing a single parcel of land to have your own private contractor build a custom home might have CC&R's attached to it by the previous owner.
73, Bob K7JQ

That statement makes me curious.
Let's say you buy a single parcel of land to build on, and there are CC&R's attached by the previous owner.
Now that you're the owner, is it possible to remove the previous CC&R's? And if so, how would you go about doing that?

I assume it would be different if that parcel were in an undeveloped area as opposed to a developed one?

I looked at the deed for my house. And found that there is a CC&R on it. This CC&R says basically I can't build a bar
or tavern serving liquor to the public, and that's it. Nothing about antennas or anything else. We don't have an HOA,
so this isn't an HOA thing. Note that I am located in what Ohio calls an "incorporated municipality", so we have the
usual city government with a mayor, elected city council, etc. I have no desire to build a bar or tavern, but if for
some reason I wanted to get the CC&R removed from a piece of property I own, could I do it?

73 de N8AUC
Eric
Is this a hypothetical? Sellers of residential property may apply future use stipulations as a condition of sale in some states and not others. More important, it may be a contractual condition to sale which may be nullified usually upon payment of an agreed to sum. You essentially buy back that right.
In other words, it depends... so, is this a “what if” or a real issue?
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N8AUC

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2020, 03:27:26 PM »

Even purchasing a single parcel of land to have your own private contractor build a custom home might have CC&R's attached to it by the previous owner.
73, Bob K7JQ

That statement makes me curious.
Let's say you buy a single parcel of land to build on, and there are CC&R's attached by the previous owner.
Now that you're the owner, is it possible to remove the previous CC&R's? And if so, how would you go about doing that?

I assume it would be different if that parcel were in an undeveloped area as opposed to a developed one?

I looked at the deed for my house. And found that there is a CC&R on it. This CC&R says basically I can't build a bar
or tavern serving liquor to the public, and that's it. Nothing about antennas or anything else. We don't have an HOA,
so this isn't an HOA thing. Note that I am located in what Ohio calls an "incorporated municipality", so we have the
usual city government with a mayor, elected city council, etc. I have no desire to build a bar or tavern, but if for
some reason I wanted to get the CC&R removed from a piece of property I own, could I do it?

73 de N8AUC
Eric
Is this a hypothetical? Sellers of residential property may apply future use stipulations as a condition of sale in some states and not others. More important, it may be a contractual condition to sale which may be nullified usually upon payment of an agreed to sum. You essentially buy back that right.
In other words, it depends... so, is this a “what if” or a real issue?

No, the situation is quite real. I suppose it's more of a "what if".
Because I have no desire now or ever to build a tavern where my house
currently stands. And I do not have any restrictions on antennas, except
for what I consider to be common sense.

But what if I wanted to get that CC&R removed? Is it possible to do that?
Maybe after I pay off the mortgage and own it free and clear maybe?
I honestly don't know, which is why I asked.

I guess I was hoping someone here might have some idea about that.
And if perhaps there IS a way to do it, might it not be applicable to getting
a "no antennas" CC&R removed?

Just pondering, that's all.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
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W5OT

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2020, 06:14:14 PM »

Dear Cynthia,
A)Those "not board approved" bushes are mature plants that existed when the property was purchased.  If you have a problem with them, contact the previous owner of the property.  I didn't plant them and I'm not getting "approval" for something that existed when the property was purchased.
B)If I only "need" to breakdown my cardboard, it's none of your business whether I actually do it or not.  The recycle company is the only entity that has any say about whether they want to pick up my "non broken down cardboard" or not.
C)I have you on video vandalizing my property when you cut down my hanging plants.  I'll be providing this video to the local police department and demanding your arrest on charges of vandalism and trespassing.
D)I also have you on video vandalizing and destroying postal property.  I'll be providing this evidence to the postal inspectors office and demanding your arrest on federal charges.
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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2020, 07:26:55 AM »

Dear Cynthia,
A)Those "not board approved" bushes are mature plants that existed when the property was purchased.  If you have a problem with them, contact the previous owner of the property.  I didn't plant them and I'm not getting "approval" for something that existed when the property was purchased.
B)If I only "need" to breakdown my cardboard, it's none of your business whether I actually do it or not.  The recycle company is the only entity that has any say about whether they want to pick up my "non broken down cardboard" or not.
C)I have you on video vandalizing my property when you cut down my hanging plants.  I'll be providing this video to the local police department and demanding your arrest on charges of vandalism and trespassing.
D)I also have you on video vandalizing and destroying postal property.  I'll be providing this evidence to the postal inspectors office and demanding your arrest on federal charges.


Jeez,................. It's a silly commercial, deigned to get certain peoples attention.

It seems to have accomplished that goal. ;)
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K7JQ

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2020, 08:11:15 AM »

What's more perplexing is that someone actually took the time to A, B, C, and D legal remedies to HOA Cynthia's actions ;). Too much COVID-19 time on someone's hands. And, regrettably, too much time on my hands for writing this reply ;D.

73 and stay safe,  Bob K7JQ
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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2020, 09:03:14 PM »

With all of this talk,  I am thinking about building a Show Bar/Club with a full log periodic up on a 199 Foot Tower...

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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2020, 01:42:24 AM »

With all of this talk,  I am thinking about building a Show Bar/Club with a full log periodic up on a 199 Foot Tower...

73 DE W8LV BILL

Now that could be interesting... :)
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73, Stan
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Re: Speaking of nosy neighbors and HOA's.
« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2020, 05:02:35 AM »


Hey did you look up my QTH? You described it pretty well:

Nice deep well (no water bill)
Septic system (no poop pay)
LP tank (I heat with wood)
I have to take my own garbage out
Got me some chickens
Wire in the trees

No restrictions, 8 acres, 900+ elevation, modern house. Cost less than the average HOA tract house.

OZ!


 Do we really have a choice...

Yes, you do.



Anyone claiming they can’t find what they want, where they want and how they want it isn’t looking very hard. Or long, e.g., one day.
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