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W9IQ

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Re: ARRL Proposed 80-10 Meter Band Plan Adopted by Board
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2020, 04:49:13 AM »

Since their fee calculation is based on burdened staff cost, it would seem that a reasonable response to the NPR is that all of the new licensee process and renewal process is handled on-line by amateurs with no staff intervention. Charge a fee if someone wants to send in a paper form.

I think a fee for a vanity license application, but not on-line renewal, is appropriate.

We used to have FCC fees that we had to pay for applications and renewals but those went away many years ago much to our surprise at the time.

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2020, 02:41:07 PM »

One assumes that the purpose is to recruit more entry-level hams (techs).



If the new fee structure goes into effect, this will be rendered a moot point.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2020, 09:55:09 AM »

I can see it now when Techs invade the top 100 kHz of 75 which is already a cesspool; 40 and 20 arent much better and an invasion wont be tolerated. On 40 the top 100 kHz also allows foreign broadcasting and that takes out a good chunk from dusk to daylight.  Also ham AM is popular up there...I run 1200W to decent antennas and wont be run off  ;D

Limit data to the top end of the CW range and not from .025 and up as it is now.

Id suggest a serious petition to the ARRL to table this idiocy and let the upcoming Cycle 25 open up 10 AND allow Techs on 12M before we lose that due to inactivity. That should satisfy them until the next sunspot minimum.

Ive said it before, the goal of the ARRL is strictly dues money and they are on life support with only ~ 15% of US hams as members resulting in less and less pages in QST.
Id say they are vulnerable to a coordinated campaign to kill their attempt.

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KILGORE34

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2020, 10:07:22 AM »

I tried to look this up but couldn't find a answer.  Is this going to be in place officially at some point?  I'm mainly interested in computer and morse code not talking but maybe someday talking.  If I take the Tech test now will I be grandfathered in if it changes?  Thank you.   
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2020, 03:22:46 PM »

I can see it now when Techs invade the top 100 kHz of 75 which is already a cesspool; 40 and 20 arent much better and an invasion wont be tolerated. On 40 the top 100 kHz also allows foreign broadcasting and that takes out a good chunk from dusk to daylight.  Also ham AM is popular up there...I run 1200W to decent antennas and wont be run off  ;D

Limit data to the top end of the CW range and not from .025 and up as it is now.

Id suggest a serious petition to the ARRL to table this idiocy and let the upcoming Cycle 25 open up 10 AND allow Techs on 12M before we lose that due to inactivity. That should satisfy them until the next sunspot minimum.

Ive said it before, the goal of the ARRL is strictly dues money and they are on life support with only ~ 15% of US hams as members resulting in less and less pages in QST.
Id say they are vulnerable to a coordinated campaign to kill their attempt.

Carl
Ham since 1955
ARRL member since 1956


I tried to quote what Carl said but I didn't want to mess it up so I did this.  I'm not sure what he's even talking about.  Techs invading or him not being run off and a invasion won't be tolerated?  I hopefully will be a Tech soon is this what I can expect on the air?  I thought it was a friendly hobby and a brotherhood from what I was told.  Am I missing something?     
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W9IQ

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2020, 03:50:20 PM »

Start with the reality that there is no "CW" range as suggested. That is a data/RTTY allocation. CW doesn't get a special allocation - it can be used on nearly every allocated frequency.

Get used to the crotchety old men. They tend to brag about being real extras, never use FT8, talk about awards they haven't earned, only own radios from the prior century and start most discussions with "when I...". You need to treat them like your grandpa that has dimentia - don't argue, just nod and smile. Thankfully the majority of hams are welcoming and understanding. Enjoy the hobby - ignore the noise.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2020, 04:22:54 PM »

You kinda didn't sell it good when you said get used to the crochety old men.  You have to pass a test pay a fee and then spend money on gear that is pretty darn expensive to talk to crochety old men?  Yeah I think I may have been misinformed about this hobby.  Doesn't quite add up to me. 
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W9IQ

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2020, 04:28:21 PM »

Don't worry - they are scarce and they die off. Just avoid becoming one of them in your later years. As a senior myself, I just shake my head when I see them or hear them in this hobby - why be here if that is the way you feel?

May I ask what state or country you are in?

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2020, 04:42:25 PM »

They are scarce and they die off?  That's like selling a country club membership that's infested with rats but charge a fee to be there.  Sorry doesn't make sense.  I'm not a bitter old man and hope to never be one.  It looks like this hobby is where you go when are one.  I'm sorry I'm going to hang back and maybe regroup on this.  Thanks.
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W9IQ

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2020, 05:00:31 PM »

Don't let the small minority scare you off. It is a great hobby with lots of diversity and interests. I have had my license for +45 years and have enjoyed every contact. I give back by teaching, mentoring and volunteering with ARRL.

When you get your license, email me. I have "such a deal" for you for your HF rig.

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2020, 07:25:19 PM »

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I can see it now when Techs invade the top 100 kHz of 75 which is already a cesspool; 40 and 20 arent much better and an invasion wont be tolerated.

What part of that dont you understand?

Or this which had a Smiley included?

Also ham AM is popular up there...I run 1200W to decent antennas and wont be run off  ;D

Translations: Dont expect to be welcomed there with open arms as a hoard of Techs descends on well established activity without earning it with at least a General license which is as easy as a Tech to pass.

Also dont mind the cranky Glenn who plays the ageist card often and likes to think that he is the savior to EHam and must be always bowed to...plus makes up stories about others that dont kiss his ....  What a poor example to the new guy!

Many others on here do a lot to encourage and help others including myself who has personally mentored several to General and Extra in this area with hands on work. I was also a well qualified instructor in the USN and later in the high tech electronics industry and also managed often temperamental engineers with poor social skills.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2020, 07:15:33 AM »

Now the the FCC is proposing a $50.00 licensing fee, what will ARRL due to counter that?

Crickets....Crickets.... ::) >:(....

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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2020, 09:44:31 AM »


What part of that dont you understand?

Or this which had a Smiley included?

Also ham AM is popular up there...I run 1200W to decent antennas and wont be run off  ;D

Translations: Dont expect to be welcomed there with open arms as a hoard of Techs descends on well established activity without earning it with at least a General license which is as easy as a Tech to pass.

Also dont mind the cranky Glenn who plays the ageist card often and likes to think that he is the savior to EHam and must be always bowed to...plus makes up stories about others that dont kiss his ....  What a poor example to the new guy!

Many others on here do a lot to encourage and help others including myself who has personally mentored several to General and Extra in this area with hands on work. I was also a well qualified instructor in the USN and later in the high tech electronics industry and also managed often temperamental engineers with poor social skills.

Carl

Carl I respect your level of experience and when I have a chance to take my test I will earn it.  If I decide to upgrade I will but that is my decision.  The FCC makes the rules not you or me.  When you say don't expect to be welcomed or you didn't earn it because your not at least a General turns people away. Do you not understand that?  You said in your post you encourage people if this is how you do it it's not working.  For me at least.  I wasn't going to reply but your attitude toward new people seems toxic to me.  Thanks for understanding. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2020, 10:17:53 AM »

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Carl I respect your level of experience and when I have a chance to take my test I will earn it.  If I decide to upgrade I will but that is my decision.  The FCC makes the rules not you or me.
 

Has anybody suggested otherwise? Why even bring it up?

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When you say don't expect to be welcomed or you didn't earn it because your not at least a General turns people away. Do you not understand that?  You said in your post you encourage people if this is how you do it it's not working.

I apologize if you couldnt comprehend that as it was meant to be. Try rereading in the context I meant.

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  For me at least.  I wasn't going to reply but your attitude toward new people seems toxic to me.  Thanks for understanding.

Your attitude with not understanding my comments before flaming is toxic to me. I work many Techs on 10 thru UHF so have nothing against new people as they have wide open spaces to learn how to operate. It is all about the problems Techs will cause on well established band portions if they are allowed to invade en masse. Generals may be more welcome but it all depends upon how they act. Thankfully the only band I will feel that disruption is on 40M as I dont operate on the high end of the other proposed bands.

Study the following and contemplate the disruption of half the ham population allowed to invade just a few tiny segments of 4 HF bands all at once. CB style bedlam Im afraid.

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the number of current unexpired FCC issued amateur licenses held by individuals on August 31, 2020 was:

Novice:                    7,504       (1.0%)
Technician            388,785     (50.8%)
Technician Plus                0      (0.0%)
General                180,357     (23.5%)
Advanced               37,614       (4.9%)
Extra                    151,629     (19.8%)

Total                    765,889
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KILGORE34

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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2020, 10:35:07 AM »

I was extremely respectful Carl I didn't flame you.  I simply expressed your opinion in your words and made a few comments.  If you are that sensitive I did not realize it and I'm sorry.  Maybe you should petition to make the tests harder take away the question pools bring back code testing and you have to build a radio from scratch.  Until that happens you have to accept how ham radio is in 2020.  You don't seem too accepting of the new way though.  From what I can discern.   
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