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TMA34

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2020, 05:41:12 PM »

Most people, liberal or conservative, who think highly of democratic values, tend to believe that more freedom is preferable to the goal of enforcing "perfect" behavior among the many.

Then give people the freedom and get rid of the test all together.  What's wrong with that?  And stop enforcing rules trying to make people "perfect".  I agree.     
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2020, 05:45:16 PM »

Most people, liberal or conservative, who think highly of democratic values, tend to believe that more freedom is preferable to the goal of enforcing "perfect" behavior among the many.

Then give people the freedom and get rid of the test all together.  What's wrong with that?  And stop enforcing rules trying to make people "perfect".  I agree.   

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TMA34

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2020, 07:07:31 PM »

That would exclude the OP ,TMA34, who advocates the opposite.
One only has to take listen to CB on a few channels to hear the results of a "no license required" band.
Yes, it IS radio hell.

I know you probably mean well.  Thank you all for the feedback. 
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2020, 07:22:49 PM »

Then give people the freedom and get rid of the test all together.  What's wrong with that?   

That's the old familiar civil disobedience notion. If you don't like laws (or regulations) simply do as you please and reap the consequences.

Lots of socially-minded citizens have done this: those who don't like war; those who have been fighting Jim Crow.

You do as you want to prove a point and you hope that the point impresses the pols so that they change things a bit.

Another alternative is simply to be an outlaw. Evade the consequences. Maybe become the Robin Hood of ham radio. You can choose the most outrageous call sign you can come up with (this brings to mind the competitive outrageousness of punk rock band names--after a short time the outrageous becomes extremely boring).

On the third hand, simply because a law or regulation doesn't suit you, the likelihood of
getting that law or regulation changed just because you want it has to fly in the face of
popular opinion.

My guess is that among licensed hams and among citizens generally who have any thoughts at all about the usefulness of the electromagnetic spectrum will overwhelmingly prefer the modest current rules about licensing.

There's still a lot of drunk driving on our roads. No drunk drive is ever considered to be a hero. Sensible laws aren't likely to go away no matter how ineffective they may be. It's that simple.

And even more simple is the fact that the licensing exams are seldom a challenge for anyone.

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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2020, 05:37:52 AM »

What's the difference, you (no one in particular) ask?

The difference is the size of their advocacy groups.  ARRL vs REACT.  However, since there's a memorandum of understanding between them to embrace each other... good question... what's the difference between them?  One has more frequencies to legally operate on?  What else?

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Public%20Service/REACT%20MOU.pdf

https://reactintl.org/training/amateur_radio/

Sense of history?  That's not the modern world anymore.  The modern world's effort to erase history, rewrite history, ignore history includes the history of radio.  Radio is just another box you can buy from the local electronics store, next to the flat screens and stereos.

Enforcement?  Can't have enforcement any more these days.  Enforcement is called all kinds of "institutional" anti-freedom names these days.

Democratic values?  There's no longer any common definitions to that phrase any more.

The "cesspool" has been there from the beginning.  The "cesspool" was the blame for all the lives lost on the Titanic.  The "cesspool" was the reason for the Radio Act of 1912 which pushed the "cesspool" down into the 200 Meters and "on down" useless airwaves.

The Book of Judges shows human nature hasn't changed in 3 1/2 Thousand years.  Societies rise and fall, and then repeat.  Everybody is going to do what they think is right.

I just recently became discouraged with ham radio.  I first became a ham when you had to demonstrate you really wanted the privileges associated with it.  Today, I look at what's happening and I ask myself, "What the point these days?"  My last log entry was 9 September 2020.

It's just a matter of time before we totally do away with the facade of "testing."
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TMA34

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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2020, 07:31:58 AM »

Let's calm down now and ease up a little.  You all get wound up and I get phones calls.  It's just a discussion.  Please try and relax. 
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2020, 08:11:13 AM »

Let's calm down now and ease up a little.  You all get wound up and I get phones calls.  It's just a discussion.  Please try and relax.

Someone unmasked the masked SWLer? No death threats, I hope...
From your time span of being involved in radio, you must be an older person. ( I still think you're the "antenna guy" , 87 years old).
However, you have a real  easily offended millennial utopian snowflake viewpoint.
Maybe we should remove the words "exam" and "test" from the language because they OFFEND you so much?
I am tired of all of this absurd blather. People like you need to get over themselves!

How about learning and doing something instead of demanding a "gimme" .
CB is where you belong. You say they ,too, offend you, but you are the same as they are. Many are lazy people who just want to do what they please and the hell with everyone else.
Sorry, but I don't wish to indulge you!

TMA34

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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2020, 08:31:45 AM »

Let's calm down now and ease up a little.  You all get wound up and I get phones calls.  It's just a discussion.  Please try and relax.

Someone unmasked the masked SWLer? No death threats, I hope...
From your time span of being involved in radio, you must be an older person. ( I still think you're the "antenna guy" , 87 years old).
However, you have a real  easily offended millennial utopian snowflake viewpoint.
Maybe we should remove the words "exam" and "test" from the language because they OFFEND you so much?
I am tired of all of this absurd blather. People like you need to get over themselves!

How about learning and doing something instead of demanding a "gimme" .
CB is where you belong. You say they ,too, offend you, but you are the same as they are. Many are lazy people who just want to do what they please and the hell with everyone else.
Sorry, but I don't wish to indulge you!

I'm not sure how to respond to that.  I honestly didn't really understand it. 
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2020, 10:28:03 AM »

It's very easy to understand, and also your side stepping response is a typical trolling exercise.
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TMA34

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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2020, 11:43:54 AM »

It's very easy to understand, and also your side stepping response is a typical trolling exercise.

He says I'm the "antenna guy" and I'm 87 years old.  If it's easy for you to understand please explain it.
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AC2EU

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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2020, 12:23:57 PM »

It's very easy to understand, and also your side stepping response is a typical trolling exercise.

He says I'm the "antenna guy" and I'm 87 years old.  If it's easy for you to understand please explain it.

He was another troll who claimed he invented a "magical" antenna that defied all physics theory but refused to show any proof. He wanted others to prove it for him!!!!
Yeah, you can't make this wacky stuff up. Just like the nonsense you write!
He also claimed to be an inactive ham. It all seems to fit.

That's why I think you took on the troll moniker because you used your real name and call last time.
If I'm wrong, step out of the shadow of the bridge and reveal yourself.

Does that clear it up for you?

TMA34

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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2020, 12:51:54 PM »

It's very easy to understand, and also your side stepping response is a typical trolling exercise.

He says I'm the "antenna guy" and I'm 87 years old.  If it's easy for you to understand please explain it.

He was another troll who claimed he invented a "magical" antenna that defied all physics theory but refused to show any proof. He wanted others to prove it for him!!!!
Yeah, you can't make this wacky stuff up. Just like the nonsense you write!
He also claimed to be an inactive ham. It all seems to fit.

That's why I think you took on the troll moniker because you used your real name and call last time.
If I'm wrong, step out of the shadow of the bridge and reveal yourself.

Does that clear it up for you?

I'm sorry do disappoint you but it did not clear anything up for me.   
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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2020, 05:40:49 PM »

This clown is probably a GA boy who let his license expire....by "accident" after receiving warnings for his 40M antics....and the FCC nailed him when he tried for a new one and banned him. It is 40M's gain and now is our headache.
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N2EY

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2020, 03:28:07 PM »


Currently a 5th grader could pass all 3 exams and know nothing about radio other than memorizing questions and right answers.

So what?

Back in the 1990s a third grader passed all 5 written exams and the code tests up to 20 wpm and earned the Extra. Did that third grader "know nothing about radio"?   

The tests have been all-multiple-choice for almost 60 years. The VEC system has been in place for almost 40 years. Most US amateurs today never took an exam at an FCC office. Even back in "the old days", there were a considerable number of US amateurs with Novice, Technician (C) and Conditional licenses who never took an exam at an FCC office.

If you think that the people in 2020 taking the current exam care about being responsible on the air and really care and are serious about it. 

One way to find out.  Take away the published test questions and bring back the CW requirement. 

How are YOU going to convince FCC to do those things? They make the rules, not us.

Almost 40 years they decided that having published test Q&A was not a problem IF the question pools were big enough. The rules say that the pools must be at least 10 times the size of the test, so a 35 question test requires a 350 question pool, and a 50 question test requires a 500 question pool. In the event, the pools are considerably larger than required.

There is no upper size limit to the question pools. They could be 20, 50, 100 times the size of the test - all it takes is for someone to write the questions and answers, proofread them, check and double check, and submit to the Question Pool Committee for processing. You're more than welcome to do so.

Code test? Sure - just convince FCC that they're needed. See how far that gets.

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W9FIB

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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2020, 04:00:34 AM »

It's very easy to understand, and also your side stepping response is a typical trolling exercise.

He says I'm the "antenna guy" and I'm 87 years old.  If it's easy for you to understand please explain it.

You got plenty of threads locked, so we all know who and what you are. Spare us the idea your intelligence level is that low.
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