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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #180 on: December 30, 2020, 04:17:16 PM »

Too bad you paid a LOT more and got a radio only 2 spots up on the list.
Real hams are smart and don't rush to buy the top radio on the list!
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K9IUQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #181 on: December 30, 2020, 04:39:22 PM »

Too bad you paid a LOT more and got a radio only 2 spots up on the list.
Real hams are smart and don't rush to buy the top radio on the list!

Real Hams like myself have $$$ and do not have to consider price when buying anything. It is an advantage of being Smart in Hamradio and Smart in the Stock Market.  :) :) :)

Stop attacking me and please stick to the FTDX10 subject, I realize the FTDX10 Sherwood Ranking will displease you and many of your Flex Bros.

Attack Yaesu Radio and defend your Beloved Flexradio but stop trying to hijack threads by attacking me personally....

Stan K9IUQ
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #182 on: December 30, 2020, 08:10:36 PM »

You have some sort of complex, no one is attacking you.
I was just pointing out many hams are likely kicking themselves for spending a large amount of money just to get #1 on the list when they could have got just about the same for much less if they had waited a bit.
Real hams are smarter then that.
So much more for so little...
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #183 on: December 30, 2020, 09:58:00 PM »

Yaesu has been stagnate for a few years cause the only radio they had out that did competition grade was the FTDX5000 but with the intro of the 101 series and now this FTDX10 they are making a solid comeback which speak volume that they are reading up on some of these forums. If your love is AM then the Flex is your best call cause you can make that radio Go Wide but in down and dirty DXing or contesting these numbers on Rob's chart don't lie. The ten is not too bad and a hell of allot nicer than the K3 I owned back in 2010!
 
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #184 on: December 31, 2020, 05:36:37 AM »

How wide can the 10 go on RX and TX?
Kenwood goes out to 4 which is more then enough, Icom is 2900 which is a bit thin for some.

The K3 had a lot of complaints about the audio quality early on and they patched things up a bit but still far from great...
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #185 on: December 31, 2020, 06:47:42 AM »

3Khz total for now but I am sure Yaesu will bring it out to 4Kz like the software/firmware upgrade they had on the FTDX3000...
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #186 on: December 31, 2020, 08:23:23 AM »

That works for me, but some like a wider RX for broadcast listening.

4 KHz is fine on empty bands, some like natural sounding full range audio.
These days, half the band is open with no one on it yet people still worry about bandwidth.
Its not like you cant change/control it!

Real hams who are smart know how...
 

3Khz total for now but I am sure Yaesu will bring it out to 4Kz like the software/firmware upgrade they had on the FTDX3000...
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #187 on: December 31, 2020, 08:53:48 AM »

Well that is why some like the Flex and some like the other radio's like Yaesu,  Icom and Kenwood, I for one want most of my power going into communications audio not some overdone bass driven or squeaky hi end crap that waste amplifier power but is NOT any more intelligible but each to there own. My take on the ESSB movement has been its great for all the CBers that have come into the hobby, more like a very elaborate power mic but for most of use the real intelligibility comes between  100Hz to about 3Khz and most of the signals that are wider on the bands think they need bass to communicate, if I want Hi Fi I will go and turn on my Stereo and listen to some music not my rig.
I have lost count on how many times the buddies who own either a Flex or Anan that have to re boot there radio and computer in the middle of a QSO, sorry that is not for me but some live with that day in day out and there computers are not some simple POS there are very fast jobs chock full of hardware that more than compete with doing the right job yet the radio's themselves freeze up always when you need it most!
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #188 on: December 31, 2020, 09:15:16 AM »

True, I can not hear anything over 3000 Hz so it does nothing for me, but I enjoy natural sounding audio.
For normal use, I like audio to go down to at least 100 Hz, but not be excessive in boost.
Some want the audio to sound as you would if standing in the same room with someone.
That makes no sense for DX, or QRP, or contests, but the ability to get the radio to do what you want is a plus.
If one REALLY needs to communicate, using a cell phone is a much better idea.
Its a HOBBY, no one NEEDS to communicate except in an emergency and most times a cell phone would be better.

I support every mode and every use that someone wants to use the ham bands for, as long as its legal and they don't be rude or stupid about it.

The FTDX10 looks quite good so far, the menu system is better by using the screen they way they do.
Still, I would rather have more knobs, or no knobs like the Flex/Anan radios, and no way I would buy the 10 unless they add averaging to the spectrum display.

The price is good and likely to come down.
 
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #189 on: January 10, 2021, 02:25:44 PM »

It is not the 4K that makes the audio sound better but how you prosses the bandwidth that you have, for me I have heard better radio SSB transmit audio that is set for 3Khz properly than excessive bandwidth out to 4Khz which wastes frequency space regardless of how active the band is or not. Its the whole story of what you do with what you have then always wanting more wasted space. The new Yaesu's widest bandwidth is 50Hz to 3050 hz. that is more than enough bandwidth to create excellent audio characteristics and if you listen with a wider bandwidth on your RX side the guys who run there audio out to 3.5 to 5K always sound like they have a fat fake bass sound to them cause they think that will make there signal sound like some 1960ies radio celerity with a fat bottom voice but in reality it sounds fake.
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #190 on: January 10, 2021, 04:31:17 PM »

I do not listen to ssb much so can not say, but I have no problem if someone wants to run a wide mode on an empty band it that makes them happy.

There is often very little activity on most bands and it would be nice if anyone was using the ham bands in some way, so I see no need to restrict bandwidth.
What is the point of getting upset about someone running 4 KHz wide when there is 100 KHz of empty band?

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K1FBI

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #191 on: January 10, 2021, 06:12:02 PM »

I do not listen to ssb much so can not say, but I have no problem if someone wants to run a wide mode on an empty band it that makes them happy.

There is often very little activity on most bands and it would be nice if anyone was using the ham bands in some way, so I see no need to restrict bandwidth.
What is the point of getting upset about someone running 4 KHz wide when there is 100 KHz of empty band?
At a solar minimum I would tend to agree with you. What baffles me is that we have AM and FM allocations to sound "broadcast quality" on, yet few want to use them.
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #192 on: January 14, 2021, 07:30:55 AM »

Hey if there is enough unused space go wide but for me I use my radio for communications not HiFi, most of my time is spent not using an external speaker but headphones and headsets. I use a Heil ICM boom set on the Icom which works real well with what you call limited bandwidth of the Icom radio's which is 2900Hz. I have heard what my signal sounds like over the pond and on LP VK on 20 plus 75 meters and there is very good fidelity without boomy bottom or screeching highs like you hear during contest time which related to my past comment its not the bandwidth its how you use what you got. On the Ten I use a Heil 781 with a small modification which increases the unidirectional characteristics cause when I get noise from outside the shack I prefer the vox doesn't get tripped, that radio is set for 50Hz to 3050Hz but on the RX side its mostly at 3Khz and only out to anything wider when I might listen on six meters but anything past 3Khz to me sounds like extra noise I really don't care to listen to plus when someone come close in at 4Khz it just irritates your ears. I use a pair of Sony  MDR 7506 headphones and both the Heil Boom set plus the Sony headphones I replaced the earpads with better earpads which are far more comfortable plus they have breathable cushions.

BTW on the ten there is no dsp adjustments the 12Khz roofing filter is in place and final bandwidth is on AM which is 9Khz and an AM narrow position which is 6 Khz, fidelity is very nice at 9Khz and yes I have listened around the SW broadcast bands with pleasing results.
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