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K7JQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2020, 02:48:11 PM »

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Flex? Is that the company that thought the future of amateur radio was without knobs?

Hmmm... seems to me I remember a certain company later coming out with something called the Maestro.

I guess a company can be as wrong as it’s customers.
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At least they took the hint, and the Maestro *somewhat* steered them away from the "black box" mystique and their limited customer niche...ham computer geeks. Then they decided to build a bigger box and super-glued a Maestro on to it. Good specs, but (IMO) butt-ugly. But they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder ;). Eye candy is a buying factor.
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2020, 03:04:00 PM »

Sure, get personal and nasty just because someone posts their thoughts about the new radio.


Well, I could care less what brand radio I or anyone else uses, I do not have a mental hangup about some brand or any brand.

Guess what? If a radio has very few buttons or knobs, it has more things in menu's.
A computer based SDR like Flex and Anan has a lot of buttons and knobs, they are just on the screen.
On a big screen, and they are there all the time if you want.
Easy to control with the mouse.
Each band has a button, so does each mode, frequently used settings are right on the screen.

The FTdx101 seems to have more buttons and knobs on the front, the 10 not so much.
Mic gain, menu item 43?
Power output, menu item 84?

Or, push button, poke screen, poke screen again, poke screen to go back.

I can't say my current Flex 6400M is set up well, not enough knobs and buttons, too much poking at screen.
And no mouse control!

If Icom and Flex had a baby it might be a GREAT radio.





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K9IUQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2020, 03:42:05 PM »

Well, I could care less what brand radio I or anyone else uses, I do not have a mental hangup about some brand or any brand.

OMGGGGGGGGGG OMGGGGGGGGGG. Oh dear, thank you for the absolutely BEST laugh of this month.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stan K9IUQ
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K9IUQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2020, 03:59:14 PM »

If Icom and Flex had a baby it might be a GREAT radio.

Nooooooooooooooo. Japan would make Icom abort THAT radio..... Flexradio has never made a great radio. The 7300 is a great radio, actually is going to be a Legendary Radio and has sold more radios for Icom than Flexradio has in all it's models in 12 years of existence.

Knobbed SDR radios are now mainstream, sales don't lie. Very Few hams want a overpriced Flex Maestro super glued to a overpriced 6400M black box radio with NO MOUSE control. Imagine that, no mouse control on a Flexradio. It should be called a 6400NM model for NO MOUSE.  Butt Ugly too, few hams would disagree with that. NO audio output for speakers either, you gotta find an Ancient Marantz and hope it doesn't have RFI problems if you want to listen to speakers with a Flexradio. Not to worry, you can always listen to headphones with those Flexs.... ;) :D :D :D :D

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K9IUQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2020, 04:04:26 PM »


At least they took the hint, and the Maestro *somewhat*

Flexradio didn't take any hint, they were FORCED to change their computer/radio/sdr no knob philosophy. The sales of the 7300 were a HUGE wake up call for all radio Manufacturers and especially Flexradio.
Flexradio HAD to change or be just another Ten-Tec RIP.
 
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K7JQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2020, 04:30:00 PM »

Sure, get personal and nasty just because someone posts their thoughts about the new radio.


You made statements about the 7300 that just aren't true. Did you bother to read the manual? The tuner is useless? Why?...because it only tunes to a 3:1 SWR? The tuners on $4,500 radios only tune to 3:1. The audio is thin? Are you talking receive or transmit audio?

If receive, are you using an external speaker, or the built-in one that sounds crappy on any radio? Have you tried the receive bass/treble EQ or frequency response range adjustments? Set and forget menu items.

If transmit audio, what mic are you using? Have you adjusted the EQ or the fully adjustable transmit bandwidth options to your operating preference? Proper mic gain/compression settings? Set and forget menu adjustments. I always get great, clean audio reports.

Not enough buttons/knobs? One poke of a "Multi" knob and on the touchscreen you get access to mic gain and power controls. One poke on the screen to get access to band change. I could go on and on. And if you notice, the (limited) front panel knobs and buttons are really all you need for 95% of on-the-fly operating, even in a contest environment.

Then you say the 7300 is fun to operate. I really don't know what you expect in a $1,000 radio. Yes, I'm biased on the 7300. But I believe after 61 years in ham radio, what I stated makes sense, backed up by fact. If you state something, at least tell us why. Want more features?...spend more money and maybe get all the things the 7300 lacks and you want. But don't criticize it because it's small and doesn't have enough front panel controls. $1,000...many tens of thousands of hams world-wide can't be wrong.

I have spoken ::) ;D ;D.
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K9IUQ

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2020, 04:37:54 PM »

So, I think we should get back to the main topic, the FTDX10. Every eHamer knows my views on Flexradios and everyone on this forum knows of N2Flexlovers misguided views on ALL radios except his beloved Flex 6400M.

I wonder what market Yaesu is trying to gain? At around $1500 it is more $$ than a 7300, but is it more radio than a 7300? The Kenwood TS-590 will die from this competition, it is already on life support. (Full Disclosure; I owned a TS590 and it was a very good radio). In this price range the FTDX10 seems to have little competition. No Elecraft or Flexradio in that price range. The 7610 is quite a bit more $$ and anyway the FTDX101D already competes with the 7610.

Maybe Yaesu has made a very smart move with this new model??? Good performance and between a 7300 or 7610/FTDX101D cost wise. Smart hams not only want good radios they want VALUE too. Will the FTDX10 satisfy these hams?

Stan K9IUQ
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2020, 06:23:10 PM »

What is not true?
I think you are mixed up, I said the 7300 was fun and easy to use.
Again, the 7300 was fun and easy to use.
Nice display, nice tuning, well thought out controls.

So was the 756 pro radios I had, Icom has the ergonomics down pat.
The 756 pro series is really my benchmark for a well thought out radio layout.

The audio both ways is not as good as some other rigs.
The two I had did not pass audio below 200 Hz on RX and while the TX was fine for me, many want it to go as wide as the Kenwood radios can.

Why bother with a 3-1 antenna tuner?
It never managed to tune my fan dipole over any useful range.
Why do I have to go into menu's and enter emergency mode at 50 watts to have the tuner work a little better when many radios do MUCH better at full power?
Elecraft will tune anything, so will the cheap G90 from China, Flex does much better and so does Yaesu (a bit).
So, why bother, I would rather have another antenna port and no tuner then a tuner that does not really tune much.

Great radio overall, but boy do people get protective of their radio choice...




Sure, get personal and nasty just because someone posts their thoughts about the new radio.


You made statements about the 7300 that just aren't true. Did you bother to read the manual? The tuner is useless? Why?...because it only tunes to a 3:1 SWR? The tuners on $4,500 radios only tune to 3:1. The audio is thin? Are you talking receive or transmit audio?

If receive, are you using an external speaker, or the built-in one that sounds crappy on any radio? Have you tried the receive bass/treble EQ or frequency response range adjustments? Set and forget menu items.

If transmit audio, what mic are you using? Have you adjusted the EQ or the fully adjustable transmit bandwidth options to your operating preference? Proper mic gain/compression settings? Set and forget menu adjustments. I always get great, clean audio reports.

Not enough buttons/knobs? One poke of a "Multi" knob and on the touchscreen you get access to mic gain and power controls. One poke on the screen to get access to band change. I could go on and on. And if you notice, the (limited) front panel knobs and buttons are really all you need for 95% of on-the-fly operating, even in a contest environment.

Then you say the 7300 is fun to operate. I really don't know what you expect in a $1,000 radio. Yes, I'm biased on the 7300. But I believe after 61 years in ham radio, what I stated makes sense, backed up by fact. If you state something, at least tell us why. Want more features?...spend more money and maybe get all the things the 7300 lacks and you want. But don't criticize it because it's small and doesn't have enough front panel controls. $1,000...many tens of thousands of hams world-wide can't be wrong.

I have spoken ::) ;D ;D.
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2020, 07:17:43 PM »

I think Flex make a nice radio but every ham I know who either has a Flex or an Anan rig when I have had a long rag chew seems to have glitches at times almost nightly and have to reset and bot there computer and radio back up, sorry I have no patients with a radio I have to reset almost nightly to it a real PITA.
I regards to the 7300 I don't think any company can really knock what Icom did with that radio. I've own two of them, one an early production and a second which was 2019, bot very good radio's but they are in no way a 7610, there good but not that good. It's not like between the two radio's that it would make or break a contact but the quality on receive and transmit is in a different league. Basically the 7300 is very good and the 7610 is better.
But her comes Yaesu with a different floor plan with the 101D which has created some great reviews in the technical department and no they have a baby brother to the 101D called the DX10 which has most of the basic features of the 101D at half the cost, a more compact radio which for some is just good enough and I think Yaesu is getting back in the game after there Motorola abortion time.
I just have to try one and if it spanks the 7610 then I might get the 101D but I think not cause I can easily remote the 7610 far easier than the Yaesu plus the display on  the Icom is just that much better but this Superhet/SDR radio intrigues me so gotta get one and see.
I like the small size of the 10, clean layout and like the 7300 menu driven which seen fine, also like that you can pop the display up on an external monitor but they did drop the ball with no external antenna jacks for RX but that's a work around. Will see should have mine by the weekend maybe.
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K0UA

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2020, 07:40:17 PM »

I think Flex make a nice radio but every ham I know who either has a Flex or an Anan rig when I have had a long rag chew seems to have glitches at times almost nightly and have to reset and bot there computer and radio back up, sorry I have no patients with a radio I have to reset almost nightly to it a real PITA.
I regards to the 7300 I don't think any company can really knock what Icom did with that radio. I've own two of them, one an early production and a second which was 2019, bot very good radio's but they are in no way a 7610, there good but not that good. It's not like between the two radio's that it would make or break a contact but the quality on receive and transmit is in a different league. Basically the 7300 is very good and the 7610 is better.
But her comes Yaesu with a different floor plan with the 101D which has created some great reviews in the technical department and no they have a baby brother to the 101D called the DX10 which has most of the basic features of the 101D at half the cost, a more compact radio which for some is just good enough and I think Yaesu is getting back in the game after there Motorola abortion time.
I just have to try one and if it spanks the 7610 then I might get the 101D but I think not cause I can easily remote the 7610 far easier than the Yaesu plus the display on  the Icom is just that much better but this Superhet/SDR radio intrigues me so gotta get one and see.
I like the small size of the 10, clean layout and like the 7300 menu driven which seen fine, also like that you can pop the display up on an external monitor but they did drop the ball with no external antenna jacks for RX but that's a work around. Will see should have mine by the weekend maybe.

As the owner of two 7300's and a 7610, I would be happy to hear what you have to say about it too.
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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2020, 08:15:46 PM »

I would NOT say the 7300 is menu driven, its more like screen driven, a big difference.
Menu driven is when you want to change something basic like mic gain, rf gain, etc and have to push a button, then find the menu selection for that, enter it, make a change, then back out.
Some radios have over 200 menu choices...I think my 991a was close to that.
Same with the FTDX 3000, even though it has a good amount of buttons... 196 menu items...
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N6YFM

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2020, 09:49:17 PM »

In most of their new radios, the menu system is very bad.
I have had two of their newer radios and got rid of them both quickly.

N2DTS is being polite :-)   I own an Icom and a Flex.  Both are easy to understand and use.
I used to own a Yaesu FT-DX3000.   Great electronics, but the user interface/menu system
was clearly designed by someone who HATES customers.  Perhaps the department of prisons?
Like N2DTS, I no longer own or complain about the Yaesu.  Yaesu REALLY should consider hiring
an engineer from ICOM or Flex or Elecraft, to learn a little something about ease of use.
The FT-DX3000 had over a hundred sub-menus in the control system, some of which, honestly,
did absolutely nothing.   {rolls eyes}

Nuff said.
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2020, 06:07:30 AM »

I owned a 3000 and before that in the Yaesu line the 1000MP talk about a confusing menu system but like everything else once owned you get used to it but nothing is as bad as the K3 I owned, that radio was a cluster crap shoot as far as its system plus the RX audio sucked big time, even threw either headphones or external speaker I could never warm up to it so at that time when I sold the K3 and bought the 3000 it was a relief.
Icom and Kenwood are the two that are most intuitive to use Yaesu is still out on this one but they are getting better so we will see but its clear that some here have a mental block towards Yaesu, its like Stan has that with Flex. What I find interesting is with Flex if we are looking at the M models or there Maestro its a tablet form display, if you walk around all say using and playing with a tablet those will be the folks that will gravitate towards that type of radio, I myself really do not care for tablets, I tolerate touch displays but when I played with a 6600M I was not really impresses as far as use so this is a subjective area. What is fine for one ham doesn't always fit another op's use.
In regards to the 7300 its kind of like a touch screen to bring up the menu to change the parameters then your done but there is a sectioned menu area that is fairly well grouped, Kenwood does this on the 590 but no touch screen, all buttons and knobs but the 890S is more advanced so they need to re invent the 590 and bring it up to date cause its kind of old tech these days.   
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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2020, 06:36:56 AM »

To at least partly please users who like buttons and knobs, Yaesu has added a personally-programmable button called CS ("Custom Select") that can have your favourite menu item assigned to it.  Then the VFO dial outer ring can be used to adjust it or select that menu's choices.

Even though the compact FTDX10 panel is very full, they found room for that button.  Good!

73, Ed

ps. I hope that Yaesu will find it in their heart to make a VHF/UHF/Satellite companion version of this radio to carry on with their legacy line that started long ago with the FT-726 and 736...    kind of like Icom has done.
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N2DTS

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Re: Yaesu FTDX10 Announced
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2020, 06:48:40 AM »

Looking at the manual for the 10, it seems like a lot of menu items come up on the screen in groups, like display:level, peak, marker,color,contrast, dimmer.
Below that another group, TX audio settings,
below that power, cw settings, etc.

Maybe not so bad as its a touch screen and you can quickly pick what you want and adjust it.
There are about 300 separate settings though, you seem to be able to set every single setting differently for each mode. Eight audio tone settings just for ssb...

One antenna port, no RX antenna port, yet $600.00 more then the 7300?
For the $600.00 you get the 3d bandscope?
Win 7300!



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