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KA4DPO

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Re: TenTec
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2020, 08:32:34 PM »

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I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time.

Time is a funny  thing.
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the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

Maybe find a company that manufactures long pieces of strings so you can complain they are too sort....
Maybe just admit that over 4 years is more than enough time to reproduce the Ten Tec Eagle that already existed.
So when you can't come up with the logical excuse, your resort to some nonsense about a string manufacturer? Oh you are so brilliant....
But then again,Ten Tec may release next year to the Amateur Market a ball of string and two paper cups.

I keep seeing new radios coming out of the big three.  Yaesu just threw out a teaser for the FTdx-10, pretty cool looking rig, dynamite specs.  So I have to wonder, what does the Eagle have?  Assuming you could get one?
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« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2020, 04:41:38 AM »

I keep seeing new radios coming out of the big three.  Yaesu just threw out a teaser for the FTdx-10, pretty cool looking rig, dynamite specs.  So I have to wonder, what does the Eagle have?  Assuming you could get one?

i know patience is in short supply in these threads populated by necrophiliacs, but hold that thought until if/when an updated Eagle ever comes out.
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Re: TenTec
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2020, 05:26:11 AM »

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I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time.

Time is a funny  thing.
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the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

Maybe find a company that manufactures long pieces of strings so you can complain they are too sort....
Maybe just admit that over 4 years is more than enough time to reproduce the Ten Tec Eagle that already existed.
So when you can't come up with the logical excuse, your resort to some nonsense about a string manufacturer? Oh you are so brilliant....
But then again,Ten Tec may release next year to the Amateur Market a ball of string and two paper cups.

I keep seeing new radios coming out of the big three.  Yaesu just threw out a teaser for the FTdx-10, pretty cool looking rig, dynamite specs.  So I have to wonder, what does the Eagle have?  Assuming you could get one?
The old Eagle had a beautifully quiet receiver, especially for a compact rig. It needed a software update. You shouldn't have to set your rig up again every time you change bands.
The transmit audio also needed to be a bit wider. I was told by someone that out of all the rigs he's heard me on, that this had the worst audio he'd every heard. He said even my IC-718 with the SM-6 blew it away. Even the TT desk mic didn't help.

Still, I used to leave it on almost constantly. It was a pleasure to listen too and never grated on my nerves.
The display was also easy on the eyes.

Like I said, release the Eagle+ and I'll buy the first one. I'll even prepay. Just get it done already or tell us it's never happening...
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2020, 08:11:17 AM »

Did the Eagle also have the typical smooth QSK on CW that Ten Tec was always known for?

I tend to like smaller rigs that I can take anywhere with me.
Should the updated Eagle ever happen, it might be a candidate for purchase.
I always liked Ten Tec rigs before.
I had an Argonaut 509 many years ago, and a Century 21 Digital.
They were both very nice radios.

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K1FBI

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2020, 08:53:14 AM »

Did the Eagle also have the typical smooth QSK on CW that Ten Tec was always known for?

I tend to like smaller rigs that I can take anywhere with me.
Should the updated Eagle ever happen, it might be a candidate for purchase.
I always liked Ten Tec rigs before.
I had an Argonaut 509 many years ago, and a Century 21 Digital.
They were both very nice radios.

73 de N8AUC
Eric

Yes, if you look the Eagle up on the website they call it the Legendary QSK.

I had a TT Jupiter (black & blue).

 My very first rig, before I even got my ticket was a Triton IV with the combination Speaker/Power supply.

At one point the dial string started slipping. I contacted Ten Tec but didn't get a response. Next thing I know I have a package in the mail with a rebuild kit. NO CHARGE!!

Miss those days...
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2020, 08:57:24 AM »

Did the Eagle also have the typical smooth QSK on CW that Ten Tec was always known for?

I tend to like smaller rigs that I can take anywhere with me.
Should the updated Eagle ever happen, it might be a candidate for purchase.
I always liked Ten Tec rigs before.
I had an Argonaut 509 many years ago, and a Century 21 Digital.
They were both very nice radios.

73 de N8AUC
Eric
Eric,

Yes, it did.  One of the best rigs of the last few years I ever used.  Unfortunately, the friend who owned it decided one day that he wanted a new toy to play with, and sold it before I got wind that it was up for sale.  (That new toy?  A Flex that he also no longer has)

I know Mike has plans to bring the Eagle back, once the new factory in the Dayton area is finished (construction delayed, as with so many other things, by COVID).  I'm hoping that he will still be able to.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2020, 09:12:52 AM »

Okay so for 2020 the excuse is Covid-19. What then was the excuse for the previous three years that kept the new TenTec from returning to the amateur market?
I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time. At the current rate most of the loyal customers from the old Ten Tec will be transmitting from that big tower in the sky.
We've been over this ground before.

But for the benefit of those who don't know or have short memories... and apologies if this is a TL:dr type post...

When Tec Tec was sold to RF Concepts, the sale did NOT include the physical factory building.  So RFC had to find a new location.  (The old TT site is now a Wally World)

The site that RFC found, allegedly inside an industrial park, was allegedly inadequate and expensive. 

By the time RKR had taken over RFC (including Alpha Amplifiers, BTW), they were allegedly bleeding money.  (Which the original TT never was).  The full story as to what happened between RKR and RFC, and why the "K" in RKR, the only one who was actually an Amateur Radio Operator, left the company and abandoned his investment, has not been made public, and at this point, probably never will be.

Regardless... RKR began liquidating both Ten Tec and Alpha, piece by piece.  THAT is why TT no longer has the NOS parts inventory, injection molds for front panels, and everything else that one would have expected in a working company.

So what Mike N8WFF bought from RKR was NOT a working, operational company.  It was NOT a "turn key" acquisition, where new management simply sat down in the chairs just vacated by old management.  No, it was the pieces of a company about to be dissolved.  (And the same thing also happened when Mike and some silent partners bought what was left of Alpha. now Alpha RF Systems.)

So, why has it taken years?  A new location had to be found.  Staff had to be hired or rehired.  Parts had to be acquired.  A new source for cabinets had to be found (the cabinet part of the business got sold off).  All this takes time.

Most importantly, Mike chose to do all of this with out-of-pocket funds.  No investors, no loans, no financing. 

Some people criticize him for not immediately jumping back into the Amateur marketplace.  Thing is, he first went back to commercial/government markets, and the profits that are being made on those sales are what are financing the slow rebuilding of the Ten Tec amateur side of the shop.

You may think it's taking too long... and I sure wish it had happened sooner, but I understand why, so that is regrettable and unfortunate but necessary... but that's the way it is.

But Ten Tec is a working company again.
They are in the process of building new equipment, albeit not in the Amateur market yet.
They are repairing equipment, and have a 12 week backlog at last report... and are trying to hire more staff to help catch up.
A new factory is under construction in the Dayton area.

Will they ever return to the Amateur market?  I don't know.  I sure hope so.  We shall see.  But it will happen when the owner decides it's time.  Not before.

The important thing is...

They're back from the brink.  They're not dead.  Not yet, at least.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2020, 09:33:06 AM »

Okay so for 2020 the excuse is Covid-19. What then was the excuse for the previous three years that kept the new TenTec from returning to the amateur market?
I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time. At the current rate most of the loyal customers from the old Ten Tec will be transmitting from that big tower in the sky.

Will they ever return to the Amateur market?

 I don't know. 

I sure hope so. 

We shall see. 

But it will happen when the owner decides it's time.  Not before.

The important thing is...

They're back from the brink.  They're not dead.  Not yet, at least.

That is a lot of uncertainty on your part for a company that is " back from the brink".  The brink of what? 

This post will still be here a year from now.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2020, 10:09:02 AM »

Okay so for 2020 the excuse is Covid-19. What then was the excuse for the previous three years that kept the new TenTec from returning to the amateur market?
I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time. At the current rate most of the loyal customers from the old Ten Tec will be transmitting from that big tower in the sky.

Will they ever return to the Amateur market?

 I don't know. 

I sure hope so. 

We shall see. 

But it will happen when the owner decides it's time.  Not before.

The important thing is...

They're back from the brink.  They're not dead.  Not yet, at least.

That is a lot of uncertainty on your part for a company that is " back from the brink".  The brink of what? 

This post will still be here a year from now.
Agree..maybe He should have let someone else purchase the company. Anyways, I sure hope He is decided he's good and ready to return to the Amateur Market in my lifetime.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2020, 12:39:05 PM »

Okay so for 2020 the excuse is Covid-19. What then was the excuse for the previous three years that kept the new TenTec from returning to the amateur market?
I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time. At the current rate most of the loyal customers from the old Ten Tec will be transmitting from that big tower in the sky.

Will they ever return to the Amateur market?

 I don't know. 

I sure hope so. 

We shall see. 

But it will happen when the owner decides it's time.  Not before.

The important thing is...

They're back from the brink.  They're not dead.  Not yet, at least.

That is a lot of uncertainty on your part for a company that is " back from the brink".  The brink of what? 

This post will still be here a year from now.
Nice cut & paste job.  Clip out the substance, then ask a question that was already answered in the text you clipped out.  Nice.

“The brink of what?” you ask?  Which part of RKR liquidating the company did you miss? 
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2020, 08:50:53 AM »

Okay so for 2020 the excuse is Covid-19. What then was the excuse for the previous three years that kept the new TenTec from returning to the amateur market?
I keep hearing it takes time, it takes time. At the current rate most of the loyal customers from the old Ten Tec will be transmitting from that big tower in the sky.

Will they ever return to the Amateur market?

 I don't know. 

I sure hope so. 

We shall see. 

But it will happen when the owner decides it's time.  Not before.

The important thing is...

They're back from the brink.  They're not dead.  Not yet, at least.

That is a lot of uncertainty on your part for a company that is " back from the brink".  The brink of what? 

This post will still be here a year from now.
Nice cut & paste job.  Clip out the substance, then ask a question that was already answered in the text you clipped out.  Nice.

“The brink of what?” you ask?  Which part of RKR liquidating the company did you miss?

We all know about RKR, particularly the July 2015 super sale where they sold everything, even the desks and chairs I suspect.  Trouble is, that was then and this is now.  The way I see it, if you want a turn key company, you buy a turnkey company.

I doubt the new owners signed the papers without knowing exactly what they were going to get. 

You threw in a back door out, just in case.  "Will they ever"?  "I don't know, we shall see". 

And then say, oh, it's going to happen. 

I have read similar posts from you going back almost five years, and I keep wondering how you know so much about it?
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2020, 10:59:14 AM »

I found a TT News Letter on the Internet.
We can have the Eagle.
HOW MUCH ARE WE WILLING TO PAY????
Maybe we could take a poll?

"Some of you know we are developing new products. Those are still off on the horizon. What I need to know is how many of you would purchase Model 599
Eagles, if they were available? I'd like to do a run of 100 of them next. It is a great radio. I like mine every bit as well as my Orion II. The DSP function is superb.
We have to talk a little bit about price. When the Eagle was launched it was a $2100 radio with no accessories. You all know the story of the blow-out sales and
the liquidation as the previous owners sold everything that wasn't nailed down on their way out. Some of you got fully loaded radios for $1299 or whatever. You
know they didn't even cover their assembly cost on that, right? Some of you got real bargains. Of course only the last 35 radios or something were sold at that
price but you get the point. You will never see a price like that again. A strip model needs to sell at 1699 at least. The more you are willing to pay for a radio the
faster the new radios can come out. We want to build radios and sell them so we can keep the production team in place so we can meet the demand when the
new radios come out. Everything we do tomorrow depends on how much you support us today."
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« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2020, 11:31:16 AM »

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I found a TT News Letter on the Internet.
Out of context internet quotes.  Real Classy on your part !
Can't wait to see how you are going to top that. 



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Re: TenTec
« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2020, 11:42:13 AM »

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I found a TT News Letter on the Internet.
Out of context internet quotes.  Real Classy on your part !
Can't wait to see how you are going to top that.

Comedy isn't your strong suit. Stick to playing with your nano...
You don't like what the owner of the company said?  I can quote the whole newsletter but it wouldn't change the context one iota.
Maybe you just feel like being a rude jerk today? I don't know.... Hope you feel better tomorrow.

If you kept up with the thread and didn't take my post out of context, you would know I'm willing to buy an Eagle.
Are you???
Or is a personal attack your way of making up for your own inadequacies??
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2020, 12:06:33 PM »

Gentlemen, please take this offline. Thank you.
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