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W3WN

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #75 on: November 08, 2020, 03:06:45 PM »

We all know about RKR, particularly the July 2015 super sale where they sold everything, even the desks and chairs I suspect.  Trouble is, that was then and this is now.  The way I see it, if you want a turn key company, you buy a turnkey company.

I doubt the new owners signed the papers without knowing exactly what they were going to get. 

You threw in a back door out, just in case.  "Will they ever"?  "I don't know, we shall see". 

And then say, oh, it's going to happen. 

I have read similar posts from you going back almost five years, and I keep wondering how you know so much about it?
"The way you see it"?  All righty then.

What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.  Yet the demands constantly being made are on the presumption that he did.

He bought the remnants of the company... I should say "companies" because this applies to Alpha RFS as well... and has spent 5 years putting them back together.  Without loans, investors (outside of his silent partners in Alpha RFS), venture capitalists,  or outside financing of any sort.  From his own pockets, as he has made money from other entities.

And yes, he made many promises about what he intended to do.  He has yet, to my knowledge, to break a promise.  Granted, some things took longer than others, and some promises remain unfulfilled (such as the return of the Eagle) to date... but outright broken?  None that I know of.  At worst, you can fault him for being overly optimistic.  But really, that's all.

He also hasn't gotten a break from the Premature Funeral Committee.  But I guess that would spoil all the fun.

But we've been over this ground before.  And I've explained myself to you before.  At this point, I invoke the customary definition of insanity.

The poor dead horse has been beaten so much that what's left doesn't resemble anything close to equine.  Transmission ends.  --30--
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2020, 06:28:38 AM »

We all know about RKR, particularly the July 2015 super sale where they sold everything, even the desks and chairs I suspect.  Trouble is, that was then and this is now.  The way I see it, if you want a turn key company, you buy a turnkey company.

I doubt the new owners signed the papers without knowing exactly what they were going to get. 

You threw in a back door out, just in case.  "Will they ever"?  "I don't know, we shall see". 

And then say, oh, it's going to happen. 

I have read similar posts from you going back almost five years, and I keep wondering how you know so much about it?
"The way you see it"?  All righty then.

What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.  Yet the demands constantly being made are on the presumption that he did.

He bought the remnants of the company... I should say "companies" because this applies to Alpha RFS as well... and has spent 5 years putting them back together.  Without loans, investors (outside of his silent partners in Alpha RFS), venture capitalists,  or outside financing of any sort.  From his own pockets, as he has made money from other entities.

And yes, he made many promises about what he intended to do.  He has yet, to my knowledge, to break a promise.  Granted, some things took longer than others, and some promises remain unfulfilled (such as the return of the Eagle) to date... but outright broken?  None that I know of.  At worst, you can fault him for being overly optimistic.  But really, that's all.

He also hasn't gotten a break from the Premature Funeral Committee.  But I guess that would spoil all the fun.

But we've been over this ground before.  And I've explained myself to you before.  At this point, I invoke the customary definition of insanity.

The poor dead horse has been beaten so much that what's left doesn't resemble anything close to equine.  Transmission ends.  --30--

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What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.


Thanks captain obvious, what would we do without you to clarify these terribly difficult concepts.

 I think I can simplify things a bit by saying that if all they bought was a neon sign and a desk,  five years is still a long time to still be saying, wait, be patient, just wait, hang in there.  I feel like I'll be seeing 100 watt Direct Sampling rigs the size of a cell phone, and priced below a grand before then.   

Dead horse?  Hardly, there is no horse.  You need to see that.

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2020, 07:03:52 AM »

Apple computer was founded as a garage operation in 1976. It had sales of $117 million by 1978.
-just sayin'

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2020, 07:30:48 AM »

I'll keep beating a particular Ten-Tec horse:

I wish they'd make a TX-340 as a companion to the RX. Needn't be much in the way of front-panel controls...just tuning, mode selection, mic/carrier level, compressor level, VOX adjustments, meter function and a transceive control to allow separate or synced operation with the receiver. Perhaps along the lines of the Harris RF-1310A but with 100w output.

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2020, 07:58:05 AM »

Apple computer was founded as a garage operation in 1976. It had sales of $117 million by 1978.
-just sayin'

The Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star was the first jet fighter used operationally by the United States Army Air Forces.
 Designed and built by Lockheed in 1943 and delivered just 143 days from the start of the design process, production models were flying, and two pre-production models did see very limited service in Italy just before the end of World War II.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2020, 08:05:05 AM »

The Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star was the first jet fighter used operationally by the United States Army Air Forces.
 Designed and built by Lockheed in 1943 and delivered just 143 days from the start of the design process, production models were flying, and two pre-production models did see very limited service in Italy just before the end of World War II.
Try getting that through today's government procurement and assurance processes.

Dare ya,
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KA4DPO

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2020, 08:11:14 AM »

Apple computer was founded as a garage operation in 1976. It had sales of $117 million by 1978.
-just sayin'

Those two guys hit the ground running and never looked back.  Like many others, Apple is an interesting American success story.  It is a poor example in this case however. 

You have never seen, nor will you ever see, capitalization of any amateur radio company on earth that would even come close to Apples stationary and ink budget, let alone products. 
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2020, 08:24:01 AM »

When you read Mike's writings/rants, the theme that clearly comes through over and over is that he does not have enough money to bring new Ten Tec products to the marketplace. The existing Ten Tec product order procedures are described by him to be on a build-to-order basis. Until he solves his cash flow issue, I wouldn't look for anything to get much more upbeat than that.

He once signed his title as "Head Capitalist In Charge" - apparently to underscore his focus. Clearly he will need a good marketing person when there is a new product in the offing.

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K1FBI

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2020, 08:26:27 AM »

The Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star was the first jet fighter used operationally by the United States Army Air Forces.
 Designed and built by Lockheed in 1943 and delivered just 143 days from the start of the design process, production models were flying, and two pre-production models did see very limited service in Italy just before the end of World War II.
Try getting that through today's government procurement and assurance processes.

Dare ya,
We are talking a fighter jet and the level of work to build it(in 1943 no less). Are you trying to say the Red Tape has held back TT from making a run of the already approved Eagle?
Are there Eagles sitting on the shelves for 5 years awaiting FCC approval?
I'm having trouble figuring out what you are trying to get across here...
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K1FBI

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2020, 08:37:51 AM »

Apple computer was founded as a garage operation in 1976. It had sales of $117 million by 1978.
-just sayin'

Those two guys hit the ground running and never looked back.  Like many others, Apple is an interesting American success story.  It is a poor example in this case however. 

You have never seen, nor will you ever see, capitalization of any amateur radio company on earth that would even come close to Apples stationary and ink budget, let alone products.

They started with roughly $250,000 which is the equivalent of 1.1 million today.
There are roughly three-quarters of a million licensed amateurs in the US. If we all send him $2 he will have more than Apple started with.
I've given my two cents here and I'm willing to donate the first two dollars if that will get us a TT radio.
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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »

They started with roughly $250,000 which is the equivalent of 1.1 million today.
There are roughly three-quarters of a million licensed amateurs in the US. If we all send him $2 he will have more than Apple started with.
I've given my two cents here and I'm willing to donate the first two dollars if that will get us a TT radio.

I would donate $2 as well.
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KA4DPO

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2020, 10:08:45 AM »

Apple computer was founded as a garage operation in 1976. It had sales of $117 million by 1978.
-just sayin'

Those two guys hit the ground running and never looked back.  Like many others, Apple is an interesting American success story.  It is a poor example in this case however. 

You have never seen, nor will you ever see, capitalization of any amateur radio company on earth that would even come close to Apples stationary and ink budget, let alone products.

They started with roughly $250,000 which is the equivalent of 1.1 million today.
There are roughly three-quarters of a million licensed amateurs in the US. If we all send him $2 he will have more than Apple started with.
I've given my two cents here and I'm willing to donate the first two dollars if that will get us a TT radio.

Yeah sure, whatever.  Please do send them $2.00, I'm sure they will appreciate it. :-[
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AC2EU

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2020, 03:18:08 PM »

Better yet, do  a GoFundMe campaign for him if you think he needs it.

It looks more like he doesn't have the will and/or vision to move TenTec forward.
Perhaps he's just too busy with other endeavors to deal with it.?
Whatever the case may be, his rants come off as bit angry and crazed for my taste.   :o

Obviously PR and customer service  are not high on his list of important things.
I'm keeping my $2...  ::)

W3WN

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2020, 06:41:16 PM »

We all know about RKR, particularly the July 2015 super sale where they sold everything, even the desks and chairs I suspect.  Trouble is, that was then and this is now.  The way I see it, if you want a turn key company, you buy a turnkey company.

I doubt the new owners signed the papers without knowing exactly what they were going to get. 

You threw in a back door out, just in case.  "Will they ever"?  "I don't know, we shall see". 

And then say, oh, it's going to happen. 

I have read similar posts from you going back almost five years, and I keep wondering how you know so much about it?
"The way you see it"?  All righty then.

What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.  Yet the demands constantly being made are on the presumption that he did.

He bought the remnants of the company... I should say "companies" because this applies to Alpha RFS as well... and has spent 5 years putting them back together.  Without loans, investors (outside of his silent partners in Alpha RFS), venture capitalists,  or outside financing of any sort.  From his own pockets, as he has made money from other entities.

And yes, he made many promises about what he intended to do.  He has yet, to my knowledge, to break a promise.  Granted, some things took longer than others, and some promises remain unfulfilled (such as the return of the Eagle) to date... but outright broken?  None that I know of.  At worst, you can fault him for being overly optimistic.  But really, that's all.

He also hasn't gotten a break from the Premature Funeral Committee.  But I guess that would spoil all the fun.

But we've been over this ground before.  And I've explained myself to you before.  At this point, I invoke the customary definition of insanity.

The poor dead horse has been beaten so much that what's left doesn't resemble anything close to equine.  Transmission ends.  --30--

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What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.


Thanks captain obvious, what would we do without you to clarify these terribly difficult concepts.

 I think I can simplify things a bit by saying that if all they bought was a neon sign and a desk,  five years is still a long time to still be saying, wait, be patient, just wait, hang in there.  I feel like I'll be seeing 100 watt Direct Sampling rigs the size of a cell phone, and priced below a grand before then.   

Dead horse?  Hardly, there is no horse.  You need to see that.
If it’s so obvious, why do you keep repeating the same questions, over and over again?

The answer is also obvious.  You love dishing dirt, and hate being called out on it.
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KA4DPO

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Re: TenTec isn't even trying
« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2020, 08:16:28 PM »

We all know about RKR, particularly the July 2015 super sale where they sold everything, even the desks and chairs I suspect.  Trouble is, that was then and this is now.  The way I see it, if you want a turn key company, you buy a turnkey company.

I doubt the new owners signed the papers without knowing exactly what they were going to get. 

You threw in a back door out, just in case.  "Will they ever"?  "I don't know, we shall see". 

And then say, oh, it's going to happen. 

I have read similar posts from you going back almost five years, and I keep wondering how you know so much about it?
"The way you see it"?  All righty then.

What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.  Yet the demands constantly being made are on the presumption that he did.

He bought the remnants of the company... I should say "companies" because this applies to Alpha RFS as well... and has spent 5 years putting them back together.  Without loans, investors (outside of his silent partners in Alpha RFS), venture capitalists,  or outside financing of any sort.  From his own pockets, as he has made money from other entities.

And yes, he made many promises about what he intended to do.  He has yet, to my knowledge, to break a promise.  Granted, some things took longer than others, and some promises remain unfulfilled (such as the return of the Eagle) to date... but outright broken?  None that I know of.  At worst, you can fault him for being overly optimistic.  But really, that's all.

He also hasn't gotten a break from the Premature Funeral Committee.  But I guess that would spoil all the fun.

But we've been over this ground before.  And I've explained myself to you before.  At this point, I invoke the customary definition of insanity.

The poor dead horse has been beaten so much that what's left doesn't resemble anything close to equine.  Transmission ends.  --30--

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What so many fail, then, to see is that Mike did NOT buy a turn-key company.


Thanks captain obvious, what would we do without you to clarify these terribly difficult concepts.

 I think I can simplify things a bit by saying that if all they bought was a neon sign and a desk,  five years is still a long time to still be saying, wait, be patient, just wait, hang in there.  I feel like I'll be seeing 100 watt Direct Sampling rigs the size of a cell phone, and priced below a grand before then.   

Dead horse?  Hardly, there is no horse.  You need to see that.
If it’s so obvious, why do you keep repeating the same questions, over and over again?

The answer is also obvious.  You love dishing dirt, and hate being called out on it.

I haven't asked any questions Ron.  And when did the truth become dirt?
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