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K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2020, 04:03:34 PM »

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Of course, I've never used an HF rig with a speaker--I operate 100% with headphones and always have.

Same here.  I may "listen around" with the built in speakers of any of the rigs, but when I get serious about working a station whether CW or SSB on go the headphones for sure.

James, I do much the same here. All contesting is headphones, the CQWWCW contest really gave my ears a test last weekend. Headphones ARE hard on the ears and hard on the hearing. I listened to rock n roll/ Blues music my whole life and a lot of that was with earphones, headphones, buds. At my stage of life I like external Speakers but use headphones when necessary. Using headphones all the time, be it ham radio or music will be detrimental to your hearing health when you get older.

Also consider this, whether it is headphones or external speaker you are still getting the Icom audio which is "different" than RX audio from a Yaesu or even Kenwood.

And yes I know Flexradio has superior audio TX or RX and the best display yada yada yada best everything as Flex Lovers constantly remind us here on this forum....

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W6UV

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2020, 04:13:33 PM »

And yes I know Flexradio has superior audio TX or RX and the best display yada yada yada best everything as Flex Lovers constantly remind us here on this forum....

Oh, please leave it alone Stan. We all know you have an unholy obsession with Flex bordering on mental illness. Just let it go...
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K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2020, 04:15:21 PM »

I used to buy external speakers from Radio Shack.

 I mention this because those old speakers may still be useful today if you can obtain them cheaply enough.

Zak W1VT

Oh yeah  I still got my RS Minimus speakers. My all time favorite speaker is the AFS Kricket  speakers made in the 70's and 80's. Every cber and ham had one or many and while small they had fantastic sound quality for a small speaker. I still have 4 or 5 in various colors and several still doing duty on a scanner.

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K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2020, 04:19:27 PM »

And yes I know Flexradio has superior audio TX or RX and the best display yada yada yada best everything as Flex Lovers constantly remind us here on this forum....

Oh, please leave it alone Stan. We all know you have an unholy obsession with Flex bordering on mental illness. Just let it go...

Gerard, You and your Flex buddies stop trolling and reminding ehamers how Great Flexradios are and I will stop posting about YOUR Flexradio obsession.... Deal?

Stan K9IUQ
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W6UV

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2020, 04:30:33 PM »

And yes I know Flexradio has superior audio TX or RX and the best display yada yada yada best everything as Flex Lovers constantly remind us here on this forum....

Oh, please leave it alone Stan. We all know you have an unholy obsession with Flex bordering on mental illness. Just let it go...

Gerard, You and your Flex buddies stop trolling and reminding ehamers how Great Flexradios are and I will stop posting about YOUR Flexradio obsession.... Deal?

It's not me who's been posting on eHam bitching about Flex for a decade now. Yes, I have a Flex, and I like it, but I'm not obsessed with it--not the way you are. Okay, you had a bad experience with a Flex rig a decade ago, but for most of the years since you haven't had one, yet you still get on this forum and bitch about them and the company every chance you get. That is true obsession and everyone on this forum knows it. How do you push Stan's buttons? Just mention Flex in any post, even obliquely, and he'll storm in with his typical tired rhetoric.
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K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2020, 04:51:10 PM »

OK Gerard, I guess it is no deal which is fine by me. I have no issue with you promoting Flexradio constantly here on eham, why should you have an issue when I point out that fact. Unlike you I did not attack you personally, yet like all Flexers I have known, YOU did attack me personally, suggesting I had a mental illness.  :o :(

So you post your opinions and I will continue mine. We will never agree probably and I can live with that.

I do ask you stop your personal attacks on me...... Attack my ideas, facts and opinions, not me personally.

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2020, 06:35:12 PM »

I have had all the brands besides Kenwood lately, I buy lots and keep what I like.
I found the audio on the computer based sdr's to be the best, and the Elad fdm duo and Flex M series to be the best standalone radios.
Icom limits the response and control.
Yaesu also limits control. I also hate their menu setup.

Flex has their issues, but they are minor to me.
Updates take forever, some things never work before the radio is obsolete. Customer service is not up to Elecraft standards.
Elecraft limits the audio and it can be harsh and unpleasant to listen to, partly corrected now I think.

The display on the Icoms is good, the Flex is better.
The control you have over the filters and audio is complete on the Flex.

None of that might matter to some/most.
That does not make it untrue though.
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K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2020, 05:25:19 AM »

None of that might matter to some/most.
That does not make it untrue though.

It only matters to you. What you posted are your opinions, and having an opinion does not make it a fact or true. I too have owned countless different radios including Flexradio, Kenwood, Yaesu and Icom. My opinion may differ than yours, this does not make it a fact or true. Every ham has opinions on radios and every ham has bias of some kind or another.

Many hams here on ham feel a duty to defend and promote the radio that is sitting in front of them, especially when someone is posting an opinion that goes against the radio they love.

None of it matters to most of us, Everyone here knows I have a bias on Flexradio, K0UA has a bias on Icoms , W6UV has a Flexradio bias and your bias is pretty evident too.

None of that matters to most  of us. We see what we want to see and most of us have blinders around our eyes like a horse.

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K0UA

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2020, 05:40:12 AM »

Love me some Icom.   But I do love my 4 Yaesu's too.. 

I guess that makes me double blind biased.   :)
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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2020, 05:48:47 AM »

As this listening fatigue thing has come under discussion before, I wonder about the hearing response of some of the folks complaining about it. I really don't know what you guys are talking about as I don't have a problem with the way the rigs sound. BUT I have a friend with some severe hearing loss (no he doesn't have hearing aids, but he badly needs them), he complains about certain CW tone frequencies that drive him up a wall. He says they "buzz" or something like that in his ears. It seems to me that the irritating frequency ranges that seem to bother some people and not others could be due to differences in our hearing. Very few of us on these forums are what you would call "young", and I suspect most of us have some hearing difficulties. But as I have pointed out above, when I get serious about working stations on go the headphones anyway.
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73  James K0UA

K9IUQ

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2020, 06:05:49 AM »

As this listening fatigue thing has come under discussion before, I wonder about the hearing response of some of the folks complaining about it. I really don't know what you guys are talking about as I don't have a problem with the way the rigs sound.

YES, let us get back to the Topic Subject and you ask an interesting question. Hearing ability does vary among hams. However I could set you down in my shack and turn on my Icom 7600 and 101MP and switch between them and you would like the sound of the 101MP over the 7600. Guaranteed and I would bet on it.

Now I am near deaf, I know this because my wife tells me I ignore her complaints and pleas to get outta the shack and do something useful, like I am not hearing her. She is right, I hear what I want to hear.;)

Blinders are on my ears too I guess.  :D :D :D
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K0UA

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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2020, 07:05:56 AM »

As this listening fatigue thing has come under discussion before, I wonder about the hearing response of some of the folks complaining about it. I really don't know what you guys are talking about as I don't have a problem with the way the rigs sound.

YES, let us get back to the Topic Subject and you ask an interesting question. Hearing ability does vary among hams. However I could set you down in my shack and turn on my Icom 7600 and 101MP and switch between them and you would like the sound of the 101MP over the 7600. Guaranteed and I would bet on it.

Now I am near deaf, I know this because my wife tells me I ignore her complaints and pleas to get outta the shack and do something useful, like I am not hearing her. She is right, I hear what I want to hear.;)

Blinders are on my ears too I guess.  :D :D :D
Stan K9IUQ

Maybe so.  I would not risk any money on that one, as I just don't know which one I would like the best.  Now, not to stir up trouble, BUT the 7600 and the 7610 are totally different architecture, and I would ASSume that they would sound different. But I don't have a 7600 to compare my 7610 against.  I understand that XYL selective hearing thing very well.  :)
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73  James K0UA

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2020, 07:18:35 AM »


not to stir up trouble, BUT the 7600 and the 7610 are totally different architecture, and I would ASSume that they would sound different. But I don't have a 7600 to compare my 7610 against. 

Fair, enough, but every Icom from my 751A to the 7600 sounded about the same. So bring your 7610 to my shack and we will use your 7610 in a blind test. Warning, while I do not own a 7610 I do have a local ham friend that has one and I have played with it so I do have an inkling of it's abilities.

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K0UA

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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2020, 07:25:13 AM »


not to stir up trouble, BUT the 7600 and the 7610 are totally different architecture, and I would ASSume that they would sound different. But I don't have a 7600 to compare my 7610 against. 

Fair, enough, but every Icom from my 751A to the 7600 sounded about the same. So bring your 7610 to my shack and we will use your 7610 in a blind test. Warning, while I do not own a 7610 I do have a local ham friend that has one and I have played with it so I do have an inkling of it's abilities.

Stan K9IUQ

That would be a good test to have the 7600, 7610, and FTDX101MP all lined up to listen to.  Might as well bring a 7300 along too right?  :)
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Re: Listening fatigue IC 7300
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2020, 07:42:36 AM »

Next time I'll skip the internal and stick to an external speaker. I have 2 Motorola metal speakers from the the 70's and a a metal micronta vertical speaker with vertical  slits in it , its so old the plug has a tiny ball on the end..
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