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N4DOV

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HOA RULES and Regulation
« on: December 02, 2020, 06:02:56 PM »

This is in some Florida HOA documents, I recently saw.

 "Please be advised that according to the HOA Documents, Rules and Regulations -Additions for Alterations #4: which states:  Antennae: No antennae, microwave receiving devices, satellite receiving devices, aerials or ham radios shall be placed or erected on any lot, within any home or upon any other portion of the community. "
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W0CKI

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 06:12:08 PM »

That's pretty draconian. I believe relief was given to satellite dishes for TV and I don't see how they can prevent you from having an indoor antenna.
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WA6BJH

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 06:22:15 PM »

That’s BS.  By Congressional act and FCC regulation, home owners associations have no authority over reasonable television antennas (we speak English here, not Latin), satellite receive antennas less than one meter in diameter, and microwave antennas for the point-to-point distribution of Internet services.  They’re probably old rules from the dark ages when they could regulation that, but they can’t now.  Some states have some kind of statutes about American flags, and isn’t there some Congressional act about that? 

I don’t worry about it.  I just hide my antennas and if anyone asks about my discone I’ll just tell them it’s a TV antenna.  It will receive television signals, so it must be a reasonable television antenna.
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W6QW

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 06:39:40 PM »

Show the HOA the FCC requirement for accommodation:

https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-reception-devices-rule
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K7JQ

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 08:19:05 AM »

Simply, TV antennas and small satellite dishes (subject to placement) are allowed by Federal law. Ham radio antenna restrictions/prohibitions are enforceable by the CC&R's/HOA.
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W1VT

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 09:10:58 AM »

Florida also has a detailed flag act that is more detailed than the national version signed by President Bush.  It specifies a height of 20 feet.
Arizona and Idaho have similar flag laws.  These laws target HOAs.

Zak W1VT
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K6AER

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 09:14:59 AM »

This is in some Florida HOA documents, I recently saw.

 "Please be advised that according to the HOA Documents, Rules and Regulations -Additions for Alterations #4: which states:  Antennae: No antennae, microwave receiving devices, satellite receiving devices, aerials or ham radios shall be placed or erected on any lot, within any home or upon any other portion of the community. "

This is funny. Their spelling for Antennae is the Lobster feelers. Antenna is for radios.

Also the 1996 Communications act says every home owner can put up to a 3 foot antenna for satellite and TV reception. This law came about with the satellite providers pushing congress to enact the law which had been opposed by cable TV  providers.
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W6QW

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 11:35:05 PM »

This is in some Florida HOA documents, I recently saw.

 "Please be advised that according to the HOA Documents, Rules and Regulations -Additions for Alterations #4: which states:  Antennae: No antennae, microwave receiving devices, satellite receiving devices, aerials or ham radios shall be placed or erected on any lot, within any home or upon any other portion of the community. "

This is funny. Their spelling for Antennae is the Lobster feelers. Antenna is for radios.


Antennae, in the HOA governing description, is correctly applied: Antennae also means multiple antennas.  I have a couple of antenna patents and 'antennae' is used multiple times throughout the disclosure documents.
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K1VSK

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2020, 05:59:37 AM »

This is in some Florida HOA documents, I recently saw.

 "Please be advised that according to the HOA Documents, Rules and Regulations -Additions for Alterations #4: which states:  Antennae: No antennae, microwave receiving devices, satellite receiving devices, aerials or ham radios shall be placed or erected on any lot, within any home or upon any other portion of the community. "

This is funny. Their spelling for Antennae is the Lobster feelers. Antenna is for radios.


Antennae, in the HOA governing description, is correctly applied: Antennae also means multiple antennas.  I have a couple of antenna patents and 'antennae' is used multiple times throughout the disclosure documents.
They are interchangeable. Just as you did when writing “multiple antennas”.
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W9IQ

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 05:33:36 PM »

It must be primitive living in that HOA - no cell phones, no Bluetooth, no WiFi, no AM/FM radios, no "atomic" clocks, no wireless security systems, no remote car fobs, no keyless cars, no remote garage door openers, no weather radios, no Chromecast and no microwave ovens.

Fun.

- Glenn W9IQ
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2020, 05:00:56 AM »

There are a lot of older HOAs predating OTARD that never got around to updating their documents.  Either from neglect, or their boards thought they could continue with them as long as nobody challenged them, or they just never knew about OTARD.
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WI9MJ

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2020, 07:42:41 PM »

Sounds like that even covers cell phones. Get on the enforcement team and issue fines at the next board meeting.
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KBKZ2105

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2021, 10:47:51 AM »

I'm not in a HOA but my local Community Service Officer likes to complain about my antennas. 
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KB9OAK

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2021, 08:27:00 PM »

There are a lot of older HOAs predating OTARD that never got around to updating their documents.  Either from neglect, or their boards thought they could continue with them as long as nobody challenged them, or they just never knew about OTARD.

I don't have a HOA, but living in a condo, we have a condo board that knows nothing about HAM Radio, but is convinced I have no right to put anything on the building or grounds that the do not approve of, and they don't approve of anything. Hence why I'm going portable.
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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2021, 08:35:08 PM »

Funny, the hams living in The Florida Villages HOA seem to do quite well!  Check their "resources" page...  www.K4VRC.com
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