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K1VSK

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2021, 10:23:55 AM »


My county had 153 cases as of yesterday with ZERO deaths. Why are you such an angry man? Do you suffer from Old White Guy disease? Lots of old white guys become very conservative when they realize that the demographics of the country are changing. I'm not judging you. Just trying to figure out why you are so confrontational. If we say the sky is blue you say it's grey. Oh well, enjoy Florida.
Let's review -
Out of the blue, you insert yourself into a discussion of which you were previously no part  to declare you're "tired of debating with me" after which you do precisely that and then lapse into the 'which state is worse' lament.

Who's the angry one here?

We have lots of NY'ers here already. No value-added.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2021, 02:09:35 PM »


My county had 153 cases as of yesterday with ZERO deaths. Why are you such an angry man? Do you suffer from Old White Guy disease? Lots of old white guys become very conservative when they realize that the demographics of the country are changing. I'm not judging you. Just trying to figure out why you are so confrontational. If we say the sky is blue you say it's grey. Oh well, enjoy Florida.
Let's review -
Out of the blue, you insert yourself into a discussion of which you were previously no part  to declare you're "tired of debating with me" after which you do precisely that and then lapse into the 'which state is worse' lament.

Who's the angry one here?

We have lots of NY'ers here already. No value-added.


My comment wasn't based on this discussion alone. You have a reputation here for debating into eternity. You always take the side of the HOA in a forum dedicated to getting on the air from antenna restricted neighborhoods. I'm not here to represent NY. I am here to bring my side of the discussion to the table in what is otherwise an open forum. I didn't realize that one needed to be invited to participate in a specific thread. I made an observation about you and I stand by my words. Lets leave in at that. Fortunately, we most likely will never meet either in person or on the air. I spend 99% or my time on ham radio in the extra class CW portion, although lately I have been playing around with a few of the digital modes. With that said, lets agree to go our separate ways.
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K1VSK

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2021, 04:43:01 PM »

I am here to bring my side of the discussion to the table…

As you didn’t bring up or comment on anything relevant to this discussion, it clearly seems your only intent is to spew insults.

I don’t have much use for ignore features on forums but in your case, I will make an exception.
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2021, 04:59:32 PM »

I am here to bring my side of the discussion to the table…

As you didn’t bring up or comment on anything relevant to this discussion, it clearly seems your only intent is to spew insults.

I don’t have much use for ignore features on forums but in your case, I will make an exception.


Insults or observations. It's all a matter of opinion.
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W9FIB

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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2021, 05:47:04 PM »

Why not both give it a rest.
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W8LV

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2021, 10:43:27 PM »

Ummm, yeah.

So....Getting back on task: K1VSK Don, I know that you said in the past that you are successful there making contacts right from your home located in an HOA community, so all joking aside, what kind of antenna do you REALLY use from your QTH there and at what power level and with what mode? Is it an indoor antenna, or an outside antenna?

Or maybe it's actually "both", and you are using an HT to remotely repeat to an HF rig say from your house to your docked sailboat (or whatever hole in the water that you might presently be throwing money into) I've "heard" of guys doing that before you know...

How many QSOs/Awards with your setup?

Actually, it would be GREAT to have a QSO direct with you, and No Doubt you'd be "charmed" to work my humble little QRP station as well!
 
Having the means, you could even contact the ARRL ahead of time (if they are still taking your calls) to get it announced in QST ahead of time and print up Special Event Cards for the occasion: Yes! A K1VSK/W8LV QSO would go down in Radio History, indeed!
One for the Record Books! While I do indeed hold the Commercial "T", alas, I MUST be upfront with you: Printing and postage are beyond my financial means. But I promise to slow down on sending your way..You know what they say: Accuracy over Speed!

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K1VSK

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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2021, 05:26:22 PM »

Ummm, yeah.

So....Getting back on task: K1VSK Don, I know that you said in the past that you are successful there making contacts right from your home located in an HOA community, so all joking aside, what kind of antenna do you REALLY use from your QTH there and at what power level and with what mode? Is it an indoor antenna, or an outside antenna?




All outside antennas since moving here. Despite the uninformed myth perpetuated by haters here (“mirror, mirror on the wall”), HOAs can and often do allow effective antennas although most of us here are respectful of our neighbors so they are modest.

In very casual activity when we’re here and when I have nothing else to do and almost entirely on CW with less than 400 W and usually less than 100W,  a bit over 200 countries. And I routinely maintain SSB schedules with friends in VK, JY, 5U , 9v, etc… Would be substantially more if I wanted to take the time or if the FT modes interested me which they do not.

It’s not about big, obtrusive antennas but rather how well one uses it.
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W8LV

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Re: HOA RULES and Regulation
« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2021, 06:47:46 PM »

K1VSK Said:
"It’s not about big, obtrusive antennas but rather how well one uses it."

OH MY! This is now the SECOND time that I'm in 100% Agreement with you Don! ;-)

Dam, it feels good to be a gangsta...

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K1VSK

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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2021, 07:26:50 AM »

K1VSK Said:
"It’s not about big, obtrusive antennas but rather how well one uses it."

OH MY! This is now the SECOND time that I'm in 100% Agreement with you Don! ;-)

Dam, it feels good to be a gangsta...

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Despite the horror of another epiphany, I’ve found HOA living just like any other choice in life.

I never understood what self-esteem issue motivates anyone to crap on how (or where) others choose to live.

It’s all about what one makes it.
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W8LV

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« Reply #69 on: November 29, 2021, 07:04:34 PM »

Yes... So why DO HOAs crap on people?
Looks like some folks right down there in Florida got sick of the complete HOA Nonsense and WON! See: HOA Suffers Huge Loss in FLA Court: https://youtu.be/JWnwwBOICrE

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K7JQ

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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2021, 03:44:40 AM »

Yes... So why DO HOAs crap on people?
Looks like some folks right down there in Florida got sick of the complete HOA Nonsense and WON! See: HOA Suffers Huge Loss in FLA Court: https://youtu.be/JWnwwBOICrE

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Bill,

You have your opinion, but I think you're quite misguided about HOA's. They don't "crap on people". You're looking at one article. Yeah, there's a bad apple in every bunch, but the overwhelming majority of HOA's leave you alone if you're a normal person and generally follow the CC&R's you were made aware of before you bought the house. If one is  a combative person, bitching and moaning about everything, and doesn't care if the paint is peeling off the house, or the lawn is overgrown with weeds, then HOA living is not for them...buy elsewhere. Everyone has a choice.

The main (probably only) reason many hams decry HOA's is because of antenna restrictions/prohibitions. If not for that, most other things would be a non-issue. If visible antennas are a priority in your life, then simply buy elsewhere, where you can have your antennas. I never understood why people that don't live in HOA's complain about them ::).

73,  Bob K7JQ
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2021, 06:29:25 AM »

Yes... So why DO HOAs crap on people?
Looks like some folks right down there in Florida got sick of the complete HOA Nonsense and WON! See: HOA Suffers Huge Loss in FLA Court: https://youtu.be/JWnwwBOICrE

73 DE W8LV BILL

Bill,

You have your opinion, but I think you're quite misguided about HOA's. They don't "crap on people". You're looking at one article. Yeah, there's a bad apple in every bunch, but the overwhelming majority of HOA's leave you alone if you're a normal person and generally follow the CC&R's you were made aware of before you bought the house. If one is  a combative person, bitching and moaning about everything, and doesn't care if the paint is peeling off the house, or the lawn is overgrown with weeds, then HOA living is not for them...buy elsewhere. Everyone has a choice.

The main (probably only) reason many hams decry HOA's is because of antenna restrictions/prohibitions. If not for that, most other things would be a non-issue. If visible antennas are a priority in your life, then simply buy elsewhere, where you can have your antennas. I never understood why people that don't live in HOA's complain about them ::).

73,  Bob K7JQ

It's actually quite simple. If there were communities of new, middle to upper middle-class homes available in certain areas, then this discussion would be moot. I have been shown homes where antenna restrictions don't apply but these homes have been generally older houses in areas which I would not want to live. There just aren't new developments being built in desirable areas which don't include an HOA. I'm not judging people based on where they live but I am looking for a certain type of home in a newer neighborhood. This does not include houses built in the 1970's or even the early 1980's. Anyway, to each their own and that is why those of us who are looking to relocate or live inside an HOA community want to be able to enjoy our hobby which includes the construction of an external antenna
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K1VSK

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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2021, 06:49:45 AM »





It's actually quite simple. If there were communities of new, middle to upper middle-class homes available in certain areas, then this discussion would be moot. I have been shown homes where antenna restrictions don't apply but these homes have been generally older houses in areas which I would not want to live. There just aren't new developments being built in desirable areas which don't include an HOA. I'm not judging people based on where they live but I am looking for a certain type of home in a newer neighborhood. This does not include houses built in the 1970's or even the early 1980's. Anyway, to each their own and that is why those of us who are looking to relocate or live inside an HOA community want to be able to enjoy our hobby which includes the construction of an external antenna

This is getting monotonous.
The first (of many times) you made this unfounded claim after spending what you admitted was only one day looking, I showed you 11communities in your desired area comprising 450 homes, most of which met your stated criteria, which don’t have CC&Rs. You ignored that and choose to persist in claiming an alternative reality.

Actually, the answer to K7JQ’s question is simple - people prefer to whine and criticize rather than make even a modest effort searching.

Excuses are what people make when they fail for self-inflicted reasons. And then they inevitably blame everyone/everything except themselves.

No doubt my comments will result in yet another ad hominem attack.
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K7JQ

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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2021, 07:54:56 AM »

Despite all the "I wish there were new communities being built without HOA's/CC&R's" comments, the simple fact is...that ain't gonna happen anytime soon, or ever in our lifetime. It's just a fact of life, so you gotta get used to it and adjust your priorities. There's always an imaginative way to go stealth. Not as effective as stacked beams on a 100' tower, but still able to get on the air.

Bob K7JQ
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WB2KSP

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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2021, 02:13:00 PM »

Despite all the "I wish there were new communities being built without HOA's/CC&R's" comments, the simple fact is...that ain't gonna happen anytime soon, or ever in our lifetime. It's just a fact of life, so you gotta get used to it and adjust your priorities. There's always an imaginative way to go stealth. Not as effective as stacked beams on a 100' tower, but still able to get on the air.

Bob K7JQ


True Bob, I have decided to stay where I am for the time being. Anyone can look at my QRZ page or google maps and see what I'm talking about. My house was built in 1985 and is about as old as I'd like to go. We all have priorities in life. As a relatively recent retiree I don't want to forgo my hobby now that I have the time to pursue it. I might consider putting up a spider beam here but haven't made that decision yet. My wife would like a smaller house but as of now there hasn't been any that fit our other priorities. If you look long and hard at the sites I've mentioned you'd find it difficult to find any antennas but they are there and with 100 watts I'm now at 299 confirmed entities with 80-10 meter DXCC and multiple WAS awards using different modes. Some in here believe that those of us who want to erect external antennas insist on stacked beams and 100 foot towers. That is not the case. A nice single vertical in the back yard or wire antennas would suffice.
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