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K6CPO

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Re: New Licensing fee. What I plan to do about it.
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2021, 11:33:15 AM »

It was published in the Federal Register this morning and is effective as of April 19, 2021.  The payment infrastructure is in place. 

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2021-03-19/pdf/2021-03042.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2XmV3EPQcUfQoM7imauJGyWwnLJf_W0Fn8XnIbAiBEx3wear4tL5K-mYE

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N2EY

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« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2021, 06:04:22 AM »

I have a cunning plan to deal with the license fee:

I'm going to pay it.

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K3UIM

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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2021, 06:09:31 AM »

EY: Oh, you're such a rascal!  ;D LOL
Charlie
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Re: New Licensing fee. What I plan to do about it.
« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2021, 06:52:41 AM »

 I say just pay it, it's only once every 10 years, no biggy.
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K7MEM

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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2021, 07:56:12 AM »

I upgraded, Novice to Extra, in early 1999, but I don't remember what I paid. I think I paid $18 in 2000 for my vanity callsign. That updated my renewal date. In 2010 I paid $18 to renew my ham license, because I had a vanity call sign. Then in 2020 I didn't pay anything to renew my ham license. In 2030 I will have to pay $35 to renew my ham license, unless they change it by then.

So, in the end, I think I have gotten my moneys worth. A few bucks every 10 years isn't going to break the bank.
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KM1H

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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2021, 04:49:27 PM »

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So, in the end, I think I have gotten my moneys worth. A few bucks every 10 years isn't going to break the bank.

Agree BUT it creates a new layer of cheap ham cry babies who will use every trick in the book to fight it or get the ARRL using a part of my membership money to fund this pestilence.
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N8AUC

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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2021, 07:17:13 PM »

It's less than a penny a day.  What's wrong with that?

Well when you are a looser living on social security, every penny counts.

So you're saying that when you're a looser, you have to be tighter?

And I'm glad you didn't call people living on Social Security losers, because that would be reprehensible.

It might be nice if he could actually spell "loser".

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N8AUC

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« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2021, 07:18:54 PM »

Yes, I have... at some point our government will require us to pay for the privilege of being amateur radio operators. Over the years, I have paid for my license, either a fee for the license or the vanity fee. It is, in my opinion, a small price to pay for the privilege and pleasure this hobby brings me. Just have to dig a little deep once every 10 years. And, so, I will.

End of discussion for me.

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Will Rogers
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Spot on, Will! Completely agree.

Besides, it's cheap entertainment.
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KM1H

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« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2021, 01:19:28 PM »

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And I'm glad you didn't call people living on Social Security losers, because that would be reprehensible.

If the term fits their description so be it.  Ive been on SS since 2002 and learned how to live with it and am tired of whining freeloaders.

Carl
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W5NRA

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« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2021, 09:26:33 AM »

$35 for a ten year license is less than a penny a day.
9.58904109589 cents to be exact.
Even a Penny Pincher has no reason to complain about that.
Actually, you forgot to add the extra days for leap years, so...
So it's actually 0.9583789704271632 cents per day.  Not sure how you converted your decimals.
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GRUMPY2021

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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2021, 11:07:17 AM »

In 1933, the FRC (predecessor of the FCC) proposed a fee of $5 ($100.17 in 2019 dollars) for amateur operator licenses. In those days operator license terms were 3 years. This proposal was strongly opposed and was not enacted.

In 1954, the FCC proposed a fee of $3 ($28.93 in 2019 dollars) for amateur licenses. In those days, and until the early 1980s, license terms were 5 years. This proposal was strongly opposed and was not enacted.

In the early 1960s the FCC again proposed fees for amateur licenses, and this time the proposal was enacted despite the opposition. The original effective date of January 1, 1964 was delayed a few months by a legal challenge, but by mid-March, 1964 the following fees were enacted:

New or renewed license: $4 ($33.45 in 2019 dollars)
Modified license: $2 ($16.72)
Special callsign: $20 ($167.25)

Novice and RACES licenses remained free.

Effective August 1, 1970, the FCC raised the above fees for amateur licenses to the following:

New or renewed license: $9 ($60.09 in 2019 dollars)
Modified license: $4 ($26.71)
Special callsign: $25 ($166.92)

Novice and RACES licenses remained free.

Effective March 1, 1975, the FCC lowered the above fees for amateur licenses to the following:

New or renewed license: $4 ($19.27 in 2019 dollars)
Modified license: $3 ($14.46)
Duplicate license: $2 ($9.64)
Special callsign: $25 ($120.46)

Novice and RACES licenses remained free.

Finally, effective January 1, 1977, FCC dropped all fees for amateur licenses. From then until now, all US amateur licenses have been free.
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N8NK

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« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2021, 01:21:33 PM »

Guess you could unlock the rig and hang out on 27.555

I personally wish they'd bring back the CW testing. The day they eliminated it was the day ham radio went over the top of the hill and began it's steady slide down toward the pits.

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W6BP

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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2021, 02:14:32 PM »

I personally wish they'd bring back the CW testing. The day they eliminated it was the day ham radio went over the top of the hill and began it's steady slide down toward the pits.

I think ham radio started going downhill:
  - the day governments began regulating the use of radio, thus denying us the entertaining aspects of chaos
  - the day spark was made illegal
  - the day the average age of amateur radio operators exceeded the age at which people tend to start sentences with the phrase "The problem with kids these days..."
  - the decision to create the Novice license
  - the decision to no longer grant new Novice licenses
  - incentive licensing, which ground prospective hams under the bootheel of excessive expectations
  - an open question pool, which removed the all-too-necessary bootheel
  - the rise of CB in the 1970s, which deprived ham radio of new blood
  - the subsequent decline of CB, which forced many CBers to become hams and work 75-meter phone
  - the invention of FT8 by Joe Taylor, allowing hams to make contacts despite poor propagation, but in an impersonal way that doesn't have the warmth and personal touch that comes with repeatedly telling CW contacts that it's 65 degrees and drizzly in Topeka
  - the general lack of desire to build equipment, news of which apparently hasn't reached the ever-increasing number of companies selling kits and parts

It's amazing that there are any of us left.
 
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N4UFO

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« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2021, 02:26:28 PM »

Finally, effective January 1, 1977, FCC dropped all fees for amateur licenses. From then until now, all US amateur licenses have been free.

I was first licensed in March 1977... guess it's time I finally paid up.  :P

In all seriousness, I can't help but wonder if even a small licensing fee would help get rid of the presumably considerable number of non-operating 'in name only' licensees. Might be nice to free up all those callsigns.
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K1FBI

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« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2021, 02:35:50 PM »

Finally, effective January 1, 1977, FCC dropped all fees for amateur licenses. From then until now, all US amateur licenses have been free.

I was first licensed in March 1977... guess it's time I finally paid up.  :P

In all seriousness, I can't help but wonder if even a small licensing fee would help get rid of the presumably considerable number of non-operating 'in name only' licensees. Might be nice to free up all those callsigns.

Also charge $300 for a "club" call. Too many "clubs" out there with zero members.
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