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KBKZ2105

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2021, 08:00:58 PM »

Can't argue with that. 
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KBKZ2105

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2021, 08:02:42 PM »

AC2EU babbles:
"You have been a "Novice" for DECADES, which you claim defines you as a man.
Are you Forrest Gump?"

What is this babble?

Nobody on this thread has said that have been a Novice for "DECADES".

Weird. Just plain weird.
Must be a 21st century "man".

Can't argue with that!!
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N2EY

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2021, 10:21:13 AM »


Well, there are many, many reasons why...but here are just 2 reasons why....
1. Holding an active Novice class license means beyond any doubt that you are not a Tech to Instant Extra in a day type HAM.

The written test for the Novice was much simpler and even more basic than the written test for the Technician.

2. Holding an active Novice ticket means that you are from a time where you are much less likely to be a 21st century "man", gen-Xer +, tootie-fruity, crapper-rapper, or a communist/cancel culture type.

Not really. In fact, not at all.

People forget that in every era there were fads, trends, styles and movements that were denounced as "not manly", "communist", "degenerate", "unAmerican" and more. Beatniks, hippies, yuppies, disco, etc.

Holding a current Novice today means that someone was licensed in the 25 years or so between when the Novice became a renewable license (about 1975?) and when FCC stopped issuing them (2000). And that they passed the required tests of the time - which were almost absurdly simple.

And that they've chosen to not upgrade in all that time.



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AC2EU

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2021, 10:39:22 AM »

This whole thread is nonsense!
Why would anyone "cherish" a Novice license?  Especially with it's limitations?
The premise that it makes one more of a man is hilarious!
Troll on!

RADIOPHONE

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2021, 10:58:06 AM »

This whole thread is nonsense!
Why would anyone "cherish" a Novice license?  Especially with it's limitations?
The premise that it makes one more of a man is hilarious!
Troll on!

Maybe you would understand if you were not a newly minted Tech to Instant Extra in one day type.
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RADIOPHONE

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2021, 11:25:04 AM »

"People forget that in every era there were fads, trends, styles and movements that were denounced as "not manly", "communist", "degenerate", "unAmerican" and more. Beatniks, hippies, yuppies, disco, etc."

Nobody has forgotten that.
But, there has never been the insanity of the 21st century cancel culture.
For instance...In the la-la land 21st century "men" are "marrying" "men".  And now the movement to allowed "men" to "marry" wee children is rapidly gaining support and momentum.
At no other time in history has such lunacy flourished.

Never before has there been a forbidden word list...that has new forbidden words added just about every day of the week.  Cancel culture.

At no other time have communists, and "trained marxists", been allowed to capture and hold ground on U.S. soil indefinatly.  Only in the queer 21st century is it allowed, for organized crime and thugs, to burn down and loot whenever they please...and not a finger lifted to stop them...only more pandering and coddling.

Good grief, man!
Will you not know what is going on, in present day world, until they come right in to your home that YOU "stole from them"?

Wake up!
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KBKZ2105

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2021, 11:39:43 AM »

This whole thread is nonsense!
Why would anyone "cherish" a Novice license?  Especially with it's limitations?
The premise that it makes one more of a man is hilarious!
Troll on!

How long have you been a ham? 
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KM1H

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2021, 04:25:56 PM »

It is outdated, time to get over it, and move on.

Stick to things you think you know
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AC2EU

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2021, 05:21:44 PM »

This whole thread is nonsense!
Why would anyone "cherish" a Novice license?  Especially with it's limitations?
The premise that it makes one more of a man is hilarious!
Troll on!

How long have you been a ham?

I am one of those "no code Extas" as you snobs like to call us.
However, I bet I can do CW better than you! ( with a straight key)

You seem like  you might be one of those "Lake Erie Swing" types ( AKA an old ham that doesn't know how to adjust and/or use a bug).

Yet, you pride yourself in denigrating others who are younger than you. Old buzzards like you and your buddy RADIOPHONE turn people away from ham radio.  Just totally obnoxious.That is, if you are even a Ham at all...
Troll on dude!

RADIOPHONE

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2021, 06:34:34 PM »

I send excellent morse.  I got the new cellphone app, from McFly Electronics, that interfaces with my MFJ-9040 Deluxe transceiver via Blue-Toot.  All I have to do is jawjack in to the cellphone and it keys out perfect code.
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AC2EU

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2021, 07:29:41 PM »

I send excellent morse.  I got the new cellphone app, from McFly Electronics, that interfaces with my MFJ-9040 Deluxe transceiver via Blue-Toot.  All I have to do is jawjack in to the cellphone and it keys out perfect code.

figures....why am I not surprised?
troll on.

RADIOPHONE

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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2021, 07:31:55 PM »

Gotta keep up with duh times.
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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2021, 08:47:27 PM »

The intent of my original post was not to generate heated argument but to: 1) express nostalgia for the passing of two license classes with a long history; and, 2) to see if other folks felt similar nostalgia. Sorry that it seems to have generated bickering.

As regards the Novice class, I don't think it was ever really intended to be a "terminal" license. The Tech, on the other hand was, and gave the same HF privileges as Novice plus full amateur privileges on 50MHz and above. I'm not sure why the FCC allowed Novice licenses to be renewed indefinitely, since the General theory exam, even when you had to write the answers yourself, wasn't all that hard and a Novice could sit for the test and upgrade to Technician. As a Tech you could still hang out in your Novice bands using Xtal control, if that's all you wanted to do, and there were some who did just that. Many became Techs for a while to get their code up from 5 to 13wpm, took that test, and upgraded to General...and were perfectly happy to stay there forever. Even after the FCC eliminated code requirements, they could have kept the Advanced class,but for some reason they didn't.                                       
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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2021, 09:05:37 PM »

The intent of my original post was not to generate heated argument but to: 1) express nostalgia for the passing of two license classes with a long history; and, 2) to see if other folks felt similar nostalgia. Sorry that it seems to have generated bickering.

As regards the Novice class, I don't think it was ever really intended to be a "terminal" license. The Tech, on the other hand was, and gave the same HF privileges as Novice plus full amateur privileges on 50MHz and above. I'm not sure why the FCC allowed Novice licenses to be renewed indefinitely, since the General theory exam, even when you had to write the answers yourself, wasn't all that hard and a Novice could sit for the test and upgrade to Technician. As a Tech you could still hang out in your Novice bands using Xtal control, if that's all you wanted to do, and there were some who did just that. Many became Techs for a while to get their code up from 5 to 13wpm, took that test, and upgraded to General...and were perfectly happy to stay there forever. Even after the FCC eliminated code requirements, they could have kept the Advanced class,but for some reason they didn't.

First of all, neither is "extinct," nor will they be anytime soon.  With about 9000 Novices left, it will be the first to go, but it will take some time for them to either upgrade or drop out. 

There are enough of us Advanced folks still around that the FCC will be renewing our licenses for some time to come.  Between Advanced and Extra, the difference in privileges is just not that big a deal, other than for CW ops.
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Re: Novice and Advanced Will Become Extinct
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2021, 04:30:28 AM »

The intent of my original post was to: 1) express nostalgia for the passing of two license classes with a long history; and, 2) to see if other folks felt similar nostalgia.

I became a Novice in late 1976 and there was a term limit of 1 or 2 years to the Novice it at that time -- which was a huge incentive to upgrade (later -- in 1978 as W3HF pointed out earlier -- they became renewable).  I upgraded to General and Advanced in 1977 and held the Advanced until 2012, at which point i upgraded to Extra because i became interested in chasing DX and those Extra class CW segments are where a lot of DX stations reside.

I did take a 3 decade hiatus from ham radio, and when i became regularly active again in 2009 i was stunned to learn the code requirements had been abandoned, the Advanced class was no longer issued, and that all exam questions have been published.
 
For a short time i did feel good about holding the Advanced class of license and how it connected me to the past, but then i realized that would be the case even if i upgraded to Extra since records of what license class one held are easily found online (if not thru the FCC ULS then by looking thru easily found online callbooks from "back in the day").  I also learned that some people who hold the Advanced license got there via the no-code code route (code waivers were permitted before the Advanced was curtailed), so holding an Advanced class license is not proof that you passed a 13 wpm, or even a 5wpm, code test). The main thing that irked me about the change was that before they stopped issuing new Advanceds i would have only had to have taken a small test to become an Extra, whereas now they treat you as if you are just a General and you have to take the full Extra exam, hihi  (the old 20wpm code requirement was not an issue for me)

i remember my uncle who held the Advanced did not upgrade to Extra due to nostalgia (he got his start in ham radio in the 1920's -- back when US hams had callsigns that started with a number -- not a W, N or K).   Evidently there were many hams who held the original form of Extra, before they eventually got transformed into Advanceds by the FCC, who were not happy about the re-emergence of the Extra in the 1960's and the fact that some phone privileges they used to hold had been taken away and "given" to the new-fangled form of Extras...

it seems to me that while holding onto something for nostalgic reasons isn't in and of itself a bad thing -- there is no special merit to it.  your history and the roads you took to get here are what they are and nothing can take that away.   i am proud to have held the Advanced.  But i dont feel better than folks who get their Extras in a day without a code test

https://ema.arrl.org/a-history-of-amateur-radio-license-changes/
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