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K3UIM

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On-line testing?
« on: January 30, 2021, 07:55:41 AM »

Can someone tell me where "on-line testing" can be found? I cannot, will not, believe we've gone down the road that far and left common sense out of hamming!! TIA
Charlie
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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2021, 08:28:17 AM »

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K3UIM

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2021, 10:50:52 AM »

"How the mighty have fallen" The only way it could be made easier is to give the  tickets out in free Cracker Jack boxes.

I'm crushed. We busted our butts learning the code and getting proficient at it enough to pass a supervised 13 wpm test 100 miles away and a supervised written test that proved our ability to build, repair or modify our 'usually' home-brewed transmitters and receivers.

Even with a VE present you had to memorize some written material, but with on-line testing??? Aarrgghh!!
As Squiggy would say, "I'm disgusting!"  ;D The "ticket" just lost a point or two in my estimation.

Seeing another ham won't be the same anymore. I remember beeping "Hi" when seeing a ham plate on a car and getting a thumbs up from the other driver. Made a body feel great. (Another "brother"!) Now we won't know if it's a "real" ham or an "on-liner".

I realize that there will be some great hams through this "give-away" system, but the pride factor just fell out of the basket for me.

I'm sorry if I hurt some feelings out there, but I feel betrayed by the hobby I've loved all these years. I also know that later I'll probably wish I'd kept it to myself, but ... DARN!!

Charlie
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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 12:05:58 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 12:12:23 PM »

"How the mighty have fallen" The only way it could be made easier is to give the  tickets out in free Cracker Jack boxes.

I'm crushed. We busted our butts learning the code and getting proficient at it enough to pass a supervised 13 wpm test 100 miles away and a supervised written test that proved our ability to build, repair or modify our 'usually' home-brewed transmitters and receivers.

Even with a VE present you had to memorize some written material, but with on-line testing??? Aarrgghh!!
As Squiggy would say, "I'm disgusting!"  ;D The "ticket" just lost a point or two in my estimation.

Seeing another ham won't be the same anymore. I remember beeping "Hi" when seeing a ham plate on a car and getting a thumbs up from the other driver. Made a body feel great. (Another "brother"!) Now we won't know if it's a "real" ham or an "on-liner".

I realize that there will be some great hams through this "give-away" system, but the pride factor just fell out of the basket for me.

I'm sorry if I hurt some feelings out there, but I feel betrayed by the hobby I've loved all these years. I also know that later I'll probably wish I'd kept it to myself, but ... DARN!!

Charlie

I'll bet you hate the new $35 application fee, too.  This and online testing are the way things are going. "Adapt, overcome, improvise..." —Gunny Highway, Heartbreak Ridge.
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K3UIM

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 03:16:09 PM »

CPO: "I'll bet you hate the new $35 application fee, too. "
N-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!!! And the teeth of our first born??? What's a low income senior of small wit supposed to do to survive?? I'd sell my blood but with one look they break out laughing! There's no handy brothel to play my mouth ... I mean harmonica for tips! (Watch it, bub!) I gotta find a job!
Charlie  ;D
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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 03:48:19 PM »

http://www.arrl.org/findonlineexam

do schools & universities also now give online "supervised" exams?
gawd i feel old  ;D
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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2021, 09:27:05 PM »

"How the mighty have fallen" The only way it could be made easier is to give the  tickets out in free Cracker Jack boxes.
I'm crushed.

I doubt whether you are actually crushed, in any possible way.

Go to the URL posted above by Zak and you will see that on-line exams are monitored
using video conferencing. It's not exactly the same as in-person testing but it does involve
a protocol which prevents "shortcuts."
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K3UIM

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2021, 11:37:59 PM »

MK: After our last election, I cannot trust something that involves a moral issue to be treated fairly. Is there a chance for anything that requires questionable observation to be trustworthy? Where there's a problem, there's a way for some to beat it. It looks like that's happening in ham radio. I truly hope I'm wrong.

I'm crushed in my observation of the willingness to cheat wherever or whenever possible. My heart goes out to those that still believe mankind is basically trustworthy. A nun in one of the "homes" I've lived at as a child once told me "If something was worth the effort, work on it and earn it and if a job is worth doing, do your best at it." (Obviously not for everyone.) sigh   

As I said, "I'll probably wish I had just let it go", but how?

Charlie
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2021, 03:33:59 AM »

Do schools have online testing ?  Yes they do !
My daughter goes to public school now and is going in person. At first she was online with the Zoom system. She had a few problems with being online with her learning. We decided to send her back to school a few months ago. Last week they had their mid term  exams and she didn't do very well on the math test. She got 50 on the exam. The other day one of her friends came over to play with her, her friend still stays at home on the Zoom. I asked her how she did on the exams, she got 100 on the math test. She told me that it was easy because she had all the info that she needed sitting right next to her. She had all of the multiplication tables on her little cheat sheet and no one even knew. My daughter hasn't memorized them all yet, that is why she got a 50. Also at home the other girls mom and dad can help her and not even be noticed.  So yes there may be cheating going on with our ham online testing, I can see this for sure from my daughters situation.
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K3UIM

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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2021, 05:51:27 AM »

Sigh
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KN6SU

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Re: On-line testing?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2021, 01:41:04 PM »

Note that this "on-line" testing is not unsupervised. It is done via video conferencing with 3 VE's supervising (i.e. watching and listening) as the examinee takes the exam, which the VE's then grade. The VE's also take some measures to make sure the examinee is not cheating...though of course with the FCC distributing exampool questions most folks probably do not need to cheat...
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2021, 02:16:21 PM »

Charlie are you going be OK? 
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2021, 07:23:27 AM »

I will be taking a VE supervised exam next Saturday. While an online test might have been a possibility, Internet access here is so unreliable that I wouldn't trust it to hold a connection during the session. It's easier to learn the material and find an in-person exam.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2021, 11:26:56 AM »

Where there's a problem, there's a way for some to beat it. I truly hope I'm wrong.

I'm crushed in my observation of the willingness to cheat wherever or whenever possible. My heart goes out to those that still believe mankind is basically trustworthy.
Most people are trustworthy. Everything we do in life in this country depends on the trustworthy character of most people most of the time.

Those who attempt to survive in the real world who are unable to trust others have deep emotional problems, are too cut-off from society, are excessively and destructively ignorant and/or are believers in paranoid and destructive ideology.

Plenty of opportunities for these maladjustments these days in the U.S.A.

Ham radio exam policy and practices are not survival problems nor are they relevant to the well-being of all sorts of people, hams or not.



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