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This afternoon I discovered that posts are being selectively deleted from the AMSAT-BB mailing list archives. This should not be happening. By having posts deleted, it does not provide a true and accurate account of what AMSAT-BB mailing list members are posting. This is another attempt of these 'leaders' to distort the world view of what is occurring within the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation aka AMSAT aka AMSAT-NA. Real leaders don't delete posts by members. They either post rebuttals with factual information or state the admit they were wrong. You can read about what I discovered, in detail, on my blog at:

http://we4bravo.com

It's a shame that AMSAT-NA cannot find any other way to deflect negative attention to the organization than to attempt to erase history. If leaders feel they have to delete the history of a mailing list, you can rest assure that something isn't right with an organization.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2021, 07:02:36 AM »

This afternoon I discovered that posts are being selectively deleted from the AMSAT-BB mailing list archives. This should not be happening. By having posts deleted, it does not provide a true and accurate account of what AMSAT-BB mailing list members are posting. This is another attempt of these 'leaders' to distort the world view of what is occurring within the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation aka AMSAT aka AMSAT-NA. Real leaders don't delete posts by members. They either post rebuttals with factual information or state the admit they were wrong. You can read about what I discovered, in detail, on my blog at:

http://we4bravo.com

It's a shame that AMSAT-NA cannot find any other way to deflect negative attention to the organization than to attempt to erase history. If leaders feel they have to delete the history of a mailing list, you can rest assure that something isn't right with an organization.
Having looked at Jeff's blog post, it should be noted that, as per his post, the items being deleted have to do with political comments outside the realm of Amateur Radio Satellites.

And I agree with him that the cited post (callsign of said poster not revealed) is way beyond the realm of a reasonable post from an (alleged) AMSAT Ambassador.  Calling for the assignation of a member of Congress?  Appalling to say the least!

So it is certainly understandable that posts of this nature are being purged, as being well outside the organization's scope.

But is it "covering" from someone's indiscretion, erasing history, or is it removing inappropriate posts that do not belong there in the first place? 

The post cited is offensive.  It has no place in an AMSAT forum.  The person who wrote it should be disciplined accordingly, within the rules of the mailing list and the organization.

But should it be allowed to remain?  I think not. 
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WA6BJH

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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2021, 08:06:20 AM »

I assume you mean assassination.

Assignation=“an appointment for a meeting between lovers, a tryst.”
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2021, 10:13:46 AM »

No AMSAT member was promoting the assassination of anyone. It was a post (that WE4B refuses to reproduce IN ITS ENTIRETY) that pointed out that no one who promoted "a bullet to the head" of a politician should be forgiven for such a post - just because "we all make mistakes."

Only in WE4B's mind - and his alone - did I promote violence in any manner. Oh, and one of his friends - who also promoted "The Big Lie" of massive recent election fraud and other whacko conspiracy theories.

Don't be duped. If you are truly interested, find the Tweet yourself (it will NEVER be on WE4B's site, I guarantee you). But for 99.99999 per cent of the world, it is plain to see that "hypocrisy" was being illuminated.

So much nonsense ... but just consider the source ...

From others: "WE4B does have a bad habit of cherry-picking info to support his narratives (personally witnessed in other non-related threads). Whereas posting the entire context would leave no wiggle room or need for more threads on the same BS over and over. Not realizing that his vitriol will never sit well with the majority of the voting populace, if he chooses to run for position again."

... and ...

"By sharing only a small portion of that correspondence, WE4B is purposefully and maliciously trying to mislead you."

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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 11:09:55 AM »

Did an AMSAT Ambassador Tweet the horrendous words that could incite violence, yes.

Should they be disciplined, yes.

Can they tell more lies in an attempt to deflect from these truths, yes they can especially when they show a history of doing so.

Do AMSAT members deserve better, yes.

AMSAT, it’s a mess right now and much of that mess is caused by a lack of leadership. Smoke and mirrors doesn’t make poor leadership go away, it only magnifies it.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 11:41:17 AM »

>> Did an AMSAT Ambassador Tweet the horrendous words that could incite violence, yes.

Using your logic, then thousands of media outlets who also reported QAnon-aligned Rep. Marjorie Greene's support for 'a bullet to the head' for Pelosi need to be punished, too.

Sign ...
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 11:42:33 AM »

Here's the actual tweet.

https://twitter.com/clintbradford/status/1357701112669736961

Context is important.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 12:09:06 PM »

Thank you, W6RZ. You are a person of integrity.

That SHOULD stop him ... but it won't ...
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2021, 01:18:20 PM »

I assume you mean assassination.

Assignation=“an appointment for a meeting between lovers, a tryst.”
Yes, the iPad auto-corrector bit me again.  Sorry about that.

That said...

If the comment made, especially considered in context, was not within an AMSAT messaging system, then the original post is a bit of character assassination. 

I'm beginning to understand why a friend of mine, once involved in the Eagle project before a family member became very ill, is not as involved with AMSAT politics like he once was.

Sheesh.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2021, 01:21:45 PM »

No AMSAT member was promoting the assassination of anyone. It was a post (that WE4B refuses to reproduce IN ITS ENTIRETY) that pointed out that no one who promoted "a bullet to the head" of a politician should be forgiven for such a post - just because "we all make mistakes."

Only in WE4B's mind - and his alone - did I promote violence in any manner. Oh, and one of his friends - who also promoted "The Big Lie" of massive recent election fraud and other whacko conspiracy theories.

Don't be duped. If you are truly interested, find the Tweet yourself (it will NEVER be on WE4B's site, I guarantee you). But for 99.99999 per cent of the world, it is plain to see that "hypocrisy" was being illuminated.

So much nonsense ... but just consider the source ...

From others: "WE4B does have a bad habit of cherry-picking info to support his narratives (personally witnessed in other non-related threads). Whereas posting the entire context would leave no wiggle room or need for more threads on the same BS over and over. Not realizing that his vitriol will never sit well with the majority of the voting populace, if he chooses to run for position again."

... and ...

"By sharing only a small portion of that correspondence, WE4B is purposefully and maliciously trying to mislead you."

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My apologies to you for misunderstanding the context. 

I'm not on Twitter and don't "tweet", so I took the OP at his word.  Had I realized that he had posted something WAY out of context, I would have stayed out of it.

Sorry.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2021, 01:38:21 PM »

>> ... I'm not on Twitter and don't "tweet", so I took the OP at his word.  Had I realized that he had posted something WAY out of context, I would have stayed out of it.

That is what he is hoping for: People believing him without looking beneath the surface.

He came in dead-last twice in elections for a group ... THEY obviously saw right through him.

Thanks for your input.

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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2021, 02:24:29 PM »

The words were written and sent out to the world.

These words were horrible and horrendous.

People in 'the real world' lose jobs over words such as these.

These words do not help bring people together.

If a politician likes something then these words are written in response, two wrongs do not make it right.

I haven't seen any other AMSAT or ARRL members speaking such horrible words. If I do, I will definitely publish it.

People can choose to support an organization and the person that thinks it's okay to say these words, regardless of context, or not. I have simply published what is in the public venue.

If the words were okay to say, then AMSAT should not censor them from a historical archive. Granted, the words are not satellite related but when members of the organization have taken exception of the organization's representative saying them, it's part of the public dialogue regarding the organization.

I have also found other censoring of messages. It seems that AMSAT removes anything from archives which is critical of the organization. This is a systematic problem and speaks to the poor management practices of the organization. Cancel culture seems to have invaded AMSAT.

Rather than AMSAT facing the issues head-on, they choose to censor items that are critical of the organization. One needs to look at the big picture and ask why such censorship is allowed to take place.

It is what it is. The words were written. They cannot be unwritten. AMSAT has chosen to remove any trace of members objecting to them from their historical archive. It has been shown that AMSAT is censoring anything that is critical of the organization. That is the big picture that needs to be addressed.

The continued controversies of AMSAT 'leadership' and the methods they use to 'lead' are questionable. I'm just the messenger that publishes what AMSAT wants you to see. I will continue to do so. Members, potential members and possible donors need to know what happens behind the closed doors of the clubhouse.

Right now, AMSAT has had three failed pieces of space hardware fail in a row. They have been caught spending tens-of-thousands of dollars in an attempt to silence Board members that have spoken out against violations of bylaws, rules and policies. Leaders have been caught in conspiracies against members. They have representatives writing questionable things. TL;DR, AMSAT, it's a mess. Other regional amateur radio satellite organizations seem to be flourishing while AMSAT is caught in a constant state of controversy.

You don't have to believe me. Do your own, open-minded, research and remember, where there's smoke there's fire.

Here's the blog of a current AMSAT Board member. Do you think he just made all of this up?

http://amsat.wd9ewk.net

You don't have to believe me but, as I have mentioned, where there's smoke there's fire and I see a lot of smoke on the horizon. Cheers!
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2021, 07:31:42 AM »

Here's the actual tweet.

https://twitter.com/clintbradford/status/1357701112669736961

Context is important.

Twitter and I agree - context IS important. But because some will take a Tweet OUT of context by separating it from the included/attached video or graphic, I am going to re-word my sentiment tonight after I get home. NONE of this is satellite-related - I apologize it was even brought up here.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2021, 11:19:48 PM »

Quote from: K6LCS
Twitter and I agree - context IS important. But because some will take a Tweet OUT of context by separating it from the included/attached video or graphic, I am going to re-word my sentiment tonight after I get home. NONE of this is satellite-related - I apologize it was even brought up here.

If Twitter had agreed with you they wouldn’t have locked your account and made you delete the horrendous Tweet. You violated their rules. It is what it is and it’s documented here: http://we4bravo.com Please don’t lie and say Twitter agreed with you. They didn’t.

What’s worse is that AMSAT-NA chooses to attempt to remove the fact that this happened with one of their representatives. There’s rarely a day that goes by that I don’t see on the news someone losing a job for doing the exact, same thing.

This speaks volumes about what the leadership of AMSAT-NA deems acceptable. Members have called for this Ambassador to be dismissed, the AMSAT-NA leadership refuses to do so.

This is why AMSAT-NA continues to find themselves constantly defending scandals.
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Re: AMSAT 'leaders' are selectively deleting posts from the AMSAT-BB archives
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2021, 01:07:56 AM »

During a HamCation virtual presentation on Sunday Feb 14, 2021, the AMSAT-NA President posted the following slide as part of his presentation:



I about fell out of my chair. This is what AMSAT-NA is, now, claiming what their core values are...

It really doesn't take much time online on various forums or social media sites to find out that, once again, AMSAT-NA is attempting to seem like they are 'wholesome', 'pure' and beyond scrutiny.

This would be far from the truth. In fact, the more an organization has to claim to be above reproach, the more you can be assured that there's some serious issues within the organization.

This forum thread is proof to that. It has been documented that AMSAT-NA has someone that has been given an AMSAT-NA title and has posted things online that would get most of us fired from our jobs but AMSAT-NA has chosen just to try and censor any reaction from members about the horrendous things that have been posted.

I will continue to document the fact that AMSAT-NA doesn't follow it's own bylaws, rules and policies and to point out the hypocrisy of things such as this silly, Core Values, since it's not real.

I will NOT support anyone that has posted anything so horrendous that Twitter has locked their accounts and forced them to delete Tweets. This is real. This happened. AMSAT-NA is fine having these people represent the organization. I'm a member of the organization and I'm not fine with it nor are others.

AMSAT-NA will either grow-up, represent members and enforce rules or die a painful death. I would think people would want to be remembered as someone that saved the organization. Sadly, it seems that 'leaders' are happy to be the ones that cost the organization their 501(c)(3) status and killed the organization.
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