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W8LV

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2021, 01:47:47 PM »

Stop kissing the HOA Hinie. HOAs don't want the rules changed for one reason, and one reason only: So that they can control the outcome, and that outcome is: NO antenna for you! And forget getting the written permission of neighbors that can "see" your antenna! Gladys, Karen, and Ken have NO BUSINESS here. Let Gladys mind her own business. Let Ken worry about his own "big issues" like cutting his grass in a manicured geometrical pattern, and Karen can continue to watch the Hallmark Channel and even marry her cat if she wants to, provided cat is willing... But removing them from the process is the only way! Invalidating the CC&Rs with an OTARD type ruling is the only way! And stop dissing the ARRL. Grow up, support the ARRL, and get a pair.

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2021, 01:59:48 PM »

"You're not back to square one. If the HOA approved your antenna while Karen lived there, and she moves, it doesn't matter what Gladys and Ken think if they moved in after the fact. They saw your (approved) antenna when contemplating the purchase. If they didn't like it, they can look elsewhere."

Bob  K7JQ


No. It's back to SQUARE ONE when KAREN was allowed to call the shots, and it's "No Antenna For You!" Karen MUST be eliminated from the process. We don't want KAREN approving or disapproving anything! We need Legal RELIEF from Karen, because she's a PITA!

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Bill,

Calm down...you're sniffing too much solder smoke and raising your blood pressure ;D.

You're way off base. "Karen's" approval/disapproval/opinion has nothing to do with CC&R's...she doesn't "call the shots". It's strictly the HOA's approval or rejection of antenna proposals, based on the wording of the CC&R's. I have no idea where you come up with "eliminating Karen from the process" ???.

That's not entirely true. If the next door "Karen" hears that your petitioning the "board" for approval to install an antenna. If she's a true "Karen", she will rile up the neighbors and exaggerate how ugly they will be, tell them that it will interfere with their telephones, TV's, WiFi, (this is the one I like) their hearing aids. Then they show up at the meeting, and you might as well forget about the antenna. Experienced this once with our kids playing in our own property.

So Yes the "Karen's" can effect the out come.

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W8LV

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2021, 02:41:53 PM »

Yawn...the VSK "response" is about as predictable as Armageddon...

Which leads us back to?

"You can talk it up, and talk it down. And talk all around it. Or? Make an ad hominin attack against me.

And STILL? We need to ELIMINATE THE HOA MAN AND GLADYS FROM THE EQUATION."

That's How It Is.

Soon? It will be time for a crybaby to get the posts locked down!

With TRUTH?

So It Goes...

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K7JQ

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2021, 03:19:56 PM »


Bill,

Calm down...you're sniffing too much solder smoke and raising your blood pressure ;D.

You're way off base. "Karen's" approval/disapproval/opinion has nothing to do with CC&R's...she doesn't "call the shots". It's strictly the HOA's approval or rejection of antenna proposals, based on the wording of the CC&R's. I have no idea where you come up with "eliminating Karen from the process" ???.

That's not entirely true. If the next door "Karen" hears that your petitioning the "board" for approval to install an antenna. If she's a true "Karen", she will rile up the neighbors and exaggerate how ugly they will be, tell them that it will interfere with their telephones, TV's, WiFi, (this is the one I like) their hearing aids. Then they show up at the meeting, and you might as well forget about the antenna. Experienced this once with our kids playing in our own property.

So Yes the "Karen's" can effect the out come.

Gary W1MOW

Gary,

It sounds like a "Karen" complained about your kids before or during an HOA meeting. Perhaps some HOA's operate that way, meaning your situation or opening up a specific homeowner's Architectural Committee request to all the other homeowners at a meeting for their opinions and influence. But that's not the way it's supposed to work.

The only reason for a referendum and vote of the homeowners at a meeting is if a specific CC&R is being proposed for a total change, modification, addition, or deletion for *all members*. If an antenna restriction CC&R includes the words..."unless approved by the Architectural Committee", it opens up the opportunity to apply for an *individual's* antenna proposal, just like any other request for an alteration/improvement of a home's exterior. It's not your neighbor's or any other homeowner's business regarding what you request of the Architectural Committee. How would"Karen" know of your proposal if you didn't tell her? In the 29 years I've lived in three HOA's, not once have I received any notice of another homeowner's application for an Architectural Committee's review. Not via snail mail, email, or at an HOA meeting. A competent Committee will take all aspects into consideration during the review. They make the decision, NOT "Karen".
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W8LV

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2021, 03:36:53 PM »

Eliminating the HOA Man from the equation eliminates outright the problems with all incompetent HOA Committees, CC&R's, Busybodies, and other jacked boot and Fascist types of all varieties.

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2021, 04:18:34 PM »

Eliminating the HOA Man from the equation eliminates outright the problems with all incompetent HOA Committees, CC&R's, Busybodies, and other jacked boot and Fascist types of all varieties.

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Bill, I hate to break it to you. But with all the legalities that builders face...construction loans; liability; safety; marketing; sales; federal, state, county, and municipal laws and regulations...you'll never eliminate CC&R's and the "HOA Man" communities. No sense complaining. If it doesn't fit your needs, live elsewhere. And the dreaded, scary "Karens" are everywhere ::). Judging by your qrz.com page, you live out in the wide open spaces...good for you. With all that land, did you ever upgrade from an Outbacker whip mounted on a tripod?

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K1VSK

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2021, 04:26:36 PM »

Yawn...the VSK "response" is about as predictable as Armageddon...


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Curious metaphor - how predictable is Armageddon?

Do you yet realize the HOA rules which you initially completely misunderstood do not have any plausible nexus to your imaginative nonsense construct? If not, why not try understanding rather than demonstrate a lack thereof?
And this isn’t personal - simply informative. You just don’t ‘get it’!
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W8LV

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #112 on: March 31, 2021, 06:58:54 PM »

Oh, I understand it just fine. And why ad hominem attacks are made. And who makes them. And why. To the point of complete predictabllity!

The HOA's were eliminated from TV reception by OTARD, and they can be eliminated from Amateur Radio.

They almost were, in recent history.The Politics have shifted, and the Useless such as Former Silly Sunshine Senator Nelson and other dinosaurs have been defeated. More of these Status Quo Old Boy Network Types WILL be defeated. VOTE in EVERY Election, for that to happen sooner than later.

The HOAs are NOT inevitable, they can be DEFEATED. Just ONE Supreme Court Ruling and their days are over, and they know it. That's why they maintain a lobby. Well, we have one, too!

In the mean time, place every stealth antenna you can. Those in the Sunshine State can place Ham radio on your boats (or you likely have already) and a big battery/Solar/Wind or shore power will allow you to "mobile (Maritime? ;-)) repeat" to and from your home: HOA Man defeated again!

Caulk 'em in, or up the side of a tree. Or hook up to your mobile antenna, the one on the truck in your driveway. Or "mobile repeat" from your vehicle however you can.

Don't forget the attic, you don't get too many wind or foul weather problems there ;-) and ignore the crap that you see about HF being attenuated in any significant way by foil backed insulation, it's simply not true.

Put an antenna right under the siding. And don't forget the SECOND FLOOR if you have one: After all, there's only RF there when you are operating!

Just about every embassy uses the top floor of their buildings
to place their own "stealth" antennas, even if they have them on the roof, to do the "Monkey Business" that all embassies "do": That's right, I said it.

A fiberglass door is TRANSPARENT to RF... Might you have a humungous double garage door? Or Two?
That might be a great antenna location. A LOOP is something like 68% efficient (no, I don't remember the exact figure, Google it.) All other things being equal, that's not too bad, and no ladders, gin poles, safety harnesses, or bucket trucks are involved. (And after having a stroke, I'm not climbing anything again, other than a step ladder. Ever.) Are you YOUNG, or approaching the average age of most Hams? Or are you PAST that? You might think about skipping the climbing thing altogether. We read of tragedies from this amongst our brethren too often, because once is too often... And never discount QRP operation: Big Towers and Amps are WAY over rated, even if they do sell ad space in magazines and have unfortunately discouraged too many prospective and new hams from really getting into the hobby...
An S-Meter/Watt table PROVES this: QRP Rocks!

Oh yea, I forgot magnet wire, sure it's weak, but you can replace it now and then for MUCH LESS than a tower that's come down in the ice and wind.

Remember: No matter what? Your arms are too short to box with God.

(P.S. Speaking of fiberglass, if you are in Ottawa or D.C. by the embassies and consulates, take a gander at the top floors/roofs. Notice any FIBERGLASS panels up there? Well, I'm pretty sure that what's likely BEHIND them aren't there to get the ball games from back home...just saying.)

SUPPORT THE ARRL, who work for the best interests of Amateur Radio Operators EVERYWHERE.

HOAs will NEVER act in our interest: Instead, they are a TOOL of Control and Conformity by their very definition who will always act as agents for KEN, KAREN, and GLADYS . And don't be fooled the by the HOA collaborators, appeasers, lapdogs, and apologists who troll here. I've put them on notice that I'm on to them (again) and they know it.

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K1VSK

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2021, 07:02:41 AM »

Oh, I understand it just fine.





I’m sure you think that but you really don’t... and rants don’t serve the purpose you think they do.
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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2021, 08:21:39 AM »

That's why they maintain a lobby. Well, we have one, too!

Now that is some funny stuff, I don't care who you are. How is that working out for ya?
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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2021, 03:12:49 PM »

Yawn...the VSK "response" is about as predictable as Armageddon...

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Curious metaphor - how predictable is Armageddon?
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Well, since you asked...

It was a Bruce Willis action movie.  Totally predictable.  Very enjoyable, but totally predictable.
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K1VSK

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2021, 03:21:27 PM »

Yawn...the VSK "response" is about as predictable as Armageddon...

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Curious metaphor - how predictable is Armageddon?
< snip >
Well, since you asked...

It was a Bruce Willis action movie.  Totally predictable.  Very enjoyable, but totally predictable.
and pure fiction, largely melodramatic and filled with inaccuracies. But we all know he wasn’t referring to a science fiction movie
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« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2021, 03:28:09 PM »

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and pure fiction, largely melodramatic and filled with inaccuracies

Not uncommon with many posts on Eham
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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #118 on: September 10, 2021, 01:22:52 AM »

Buying a home in a HOA with the intent to pursue ham radio makes about seance as getting your pilot license and wanting to park your plane in your driveway.
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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #119 on: September 10, 2021, 03:24:54 AM »

Buying a home in a HOA with the intent to pursue ham radio makes about seance as getting your pilot license and wanting to park your plane in your driveway.

What does trying contacting the people from the dead have to do with getting your pilots license?   

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