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KM4AH

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2021, 03:53:57 AM »

I can see both sides. But, the home owners do this to keep a 1963 Caddy on blocks as a storage unit out.

Simple solution is for a ham not to move in to a governed community.  They likely do to some extent because they don't want to look at jacked up cars.

Then they want an exception for something that is just as much an eye sore to many.
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AC2EU

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2021, 08:23:53 AM »

I never understood why anyone would think that the ARRL should get involved in fighting HOAs. That was the home owner's  choice to sign the HOA contract. I don't want my dues squandered trying to undue bad choices made by other ARRL members.
Like Judge Judy says; "You must follow the terms of the contract".
If you wish to contest the terms of your HOA contract, SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY.

Stepping down from my soapbox...  ;D

K3LI

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« Reply #122 on: September 11, 2021, 01:48:01 PM »

I never understood why anyone would think that the ARRL should get involved in fighting HOAs. That was the home owner's  choice to sign the HOA contract. I don't want my dues squandered trying to undue bad choices made by other ARRL members.
Like Judge Judy says; "You must follow the terms of the contract".
If you wish to contest the terms of your HOA contract, SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY.

Stepping down from my soapbox...  ;D

You seem to forget, many are ARRL members, and it IS their money. No need to be an arrogant and condescending ham.  Cant speak nice, dont speak at all is how I was raised.
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AC2EU

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #123 on: September 11, 2021, 03:54:54 PM »

I never understood why anyone would think that the ARRL should get involved in fighting HOAs. That was the home owner's  choice to sign the HOA contract. I don't want my dues squandered trying to undue bad choices made by other ARRL members.
Like Judge Judy says; "You must follow the terms of the contract".
If you wish to contest the terms of your HOA contract, SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY.

Stepping down from my soapbox...  ;D

You seem to forget, many are ARRL members, and it IS their money. No need to be an arrogant and condescending ham.  Cant speak nice, dont speak at all is how I was raised.

Not trying to be condescending at all!
HOA Hams are asking the ARRL to bail them out of a legal problem that they created for themselves.
I don't see how that would be within the purview of the ARRL.
By your logic, since I am a ham and I have a legal problem, the ARRL should provide legal aid?
Maybe pay my parking tickets too?
I don't think so...

AA4PB

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« Reply #124 on: September 11, 2021, 04:19:14 PM »

"HOA Hams are asking the ARRL to bail them out of a legal problem that they created for themselves."

No they are not. The proposal was for the ARRL to provide the ham with some printed instructions and hand-outs to help with the ham's presentation to his HOA board requesting an antenna exemption to the rules. This is something that is permitted by most HOAs.  It has nothing to do with the ARRL providing hams with legal services.
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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #125 on: September 11, 2021, 04:54:15 PM »

"HOA Hams are asking the ARRL to bail them out of a legal problem that they created for themselves."

No they are not. The proposal was for the ARRL to provide the ham with some printed instructions and hand-outs to help with the ham's presentation to his HOA board requesting an antenna exemption to the rules. This is something that is permitted by most HOAs.  It has nothing to do with the ARRL providing hams with legal services.
If you consider who is asking, this makes no sense. People who actually live in HOAs, with few exceptions, are NOT the ones complaining or asking for anything. That is the irony here.

It's generally people who don't live with any antenna limitations who are inserting themselves in others' lives while ironically whining about rights and freedom.

The ARRL never asked anyone living in an HOA if or what help they/we wanted or needed. They don't have a clue how many hams may be affected adversely by HOA rules. What they have done is waste a lot of time and effort failing to find a solution to a problem which doesn't exist except for a very small fraction of our hobby they cant quantify.

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AC2EU

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #126 on: September 11, 2021, 05:07:38 PM »

"HOA Hams are asking the ARRL to bail them out of a legal problem that they created for themselves."

No they are not. The proposal was for the ARRL to provide the ham with some printed instructions and hand-outs to help with the ham's presentation to his HOA board requesting an antenna exemption to the rules. This is something that is permitted by most HOAs.  It has nothing to do with the ARRL providing hams with legal services.

It will cost the ARRL money to prepare and print the documents.
Perhaps they can produce a publication which can be purchased at the ARRL store if there is enough interest?
Hams buy books that appeal to their particular interests, right?

Another option might be to have a Ham, who was successful in getting an exemption, author an article in QST detailing his experiences and methods. ( no treasury funds required)

The antenna exemption,in the final analysis,is like tilting at windmills. The resident is at the mercy of the whims of their HOA. It's totally the luck of the draw.
I can understand the frustration, but it came as result of a personal choice.


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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2021, 09:09:24 AM »

This thread started on March 1, 2021, and has accumulated nine pages of comments so far. As a veteran of living in three HOA's in the last 30 years, I've commented extensively here. So, I'm gonna comment again on.......Naaah, I'll pass ;D ;D ;D.

73 and good luck,   Bob K7JQ
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« Reply #128 on: September 27, 2021, 01:34:33 PM »

K1VSK gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big HOA.

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KM4AH

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« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2021, 04:37:34 PM »

A lady built a house here just across the railroad tracks that have been here since at least before the Civil War and tried to seek legal action to get the trains to stop blowing the horn at the crossing.

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« Reply #130 on: September 29, 2021, 02:37:29 AM »

A lady built a house here just across the railroad tracks that have been here since at least before the Civil War and tried to seek legal action to get the trains to stop blowing the horn at the crossing.

At her age, you would think she wouldn't even hear the train whistle. 
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KM4AH

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« Reply #131 on: September 29, 2021, 05:02:16 AM »

A lady built a house here just across the railroad tracks that have been here since at least before the Civil War and tried to seek legal action to get the trains to stop blowing the horn at the crossing.

At her age, you would think she wouldn't even hear the train whistle.

When my wife first moved in with me a train came through and she jumped up from the bed saying what is that noise. I'm like , what noise ?

You learn to tune it out from childhood I suppose.
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N2SR

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« Reply #132 on: September 29, 2021, 06:02:16 AM »


When my wife first moved in with me a train came through and she jumped up from the bed saying what is that noise. I'm like , what noise ?

You learn to tune it out from childhood I suppose.

Vinny Gambini: Does that freight train come through here at 5:00 A.M. every morning?
Hotel Clerk: No, sir, it's very unusual.
Vinny Gambini: [the next day, after Vinny was awakened by the train] Yesterday you told me that freight train hardly ever comes through here at 5:00 A.M. in the morning.
Hotel Clerk: I know. She's supposed to come through at ten after 4:00.
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KM1H

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« Reply #133 on: September 29, 2021, 05:34:51 PM »

I had an uncle with an apartment on the 3rd floor facing the Jamaica NY Elevated line. Visits were not pleasant until he moved to a back facing apartment.

As a kid I rode just about every foot of the NYC rail transportation and many of its electric trolleys. One $.10 or .15 ticket was all it took to ride them all. Sure beat being home on rainy weekend and holiday days.

Carl
Ham since 1955
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NK5G

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #134 on: May 30, 2022, 07:52:18 AM »

It's pointless to expect the ARRL to get involved in the HOA issue. The time to strike was decades ago.
The ARRL knows the battle is lost, and taking advantage of smaller electronics, they can steer the narrative of the hobby away from the traditional home QTH.
Don't take my word for it. The proof is in QST. Years ago it was about building your home station, now it's all POTA, SOTA and "get outside". Articles about portable antennas etc. There are now more ads of the same.

It all started when Gertrude did not like the ugly tower outside her window, the ARRL did not act accordingly at that time. HOAs are well aware of the hidden and attic antennas so now there HOA rules specifically prohibiting any radiating of RF. It went from appearance to specifically making sure there is no amateur operation in subdivisions.

For an organization, which is supposed to be an advocate, they failed at this one. Understanding this impacts their membership and revenue, they have adjusted with the times.
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